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[Mutatis Mutandis]

[warrior1]

1. hundreds of thousands died

and they were never held to account.

[Heather MC]

63. I knew that plane had been shot down

I was at the pentagon that day. My boss told us another plane was on the way. And they had sent fighter pilots after it. Not long after that we heard the plane had "crashed". I can't remember how long after that they started spinning the story that the people of flight 93 crashed the plane. I knew that was BS from day one. Dayum Shame too

[99Forever]

2. Should we be outraged?

I guess, but to what end? It's already been made quite clear to us that none of the crimes committed by Bush, Cheney, the scumbags on Wall Street or any other of their henchmen are going to be prosecuted.

I find that equally outrageous, but apparently no one in Washington DC agrees.

[rhett o rick]

22. Outrage is over rated. The elite oligarchs are in control. If you understand that then

outrage is inappropriate.

The question is, will Cheney and his fellow war criminals be pardoned in the near future?

[99Forever]

42. No need to pardon someone who will never be charged.

The 1% take care of their own.

[annabanana]

3. Dowd?

Has the wind shifted?

Much of this was suspected from the beginning in some places. There were no high profile intrepid reporters at the time. Only "rumors on the internets".

[bvar22]

4. And NOW he gloats about it.

In a just World,
that rat bastard would be in jail,
along with most Wall Street Execs,
AND most of our "representatives".

[Catherina]

8. +10,000 n/t

[rhett o rick]

24. I think he and the other war criminals should be pardoned to keep the peace.

Why should we have all this consternation. Just pardon the bastards and get it over with.

[spanone]

5. 2 words come to mind. war. and. criminal.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

10. and. sunova. b****.

[BlueStater]

6. Yet he remains a free man with no chance of being arrested.

Totally sickening. Shame on everyone who is capable of actually doing something about that yet continues to sit on their hands.

[HereSince1628]

7. Nothing will be done, the nation bought the lie, over and over and over

going a long way to prove that Cheney was more dangerous to America than bin Laden

[Bolo Boffin]

9. This was also documented in the 9/11 Commission report.

They didn't call it a lie, but when everyone in the room is reporting one story, and Bush and Cheney are saying something else, and the report goes out of its way to point this out?

Yeah, they lied.

[nineteen50]

11. Cheney will

die from loving his bad little self to death.

[Tab]

60. To paraphrase Lewis Black, "good people die young"

"but pricks live forever".

[Spitfire of ATJ]

12. If you ask Cheney he would claim the people of Iraq are glad we got rid of Saddam....

I say let's have him stroll down the street in Fallujah and see how many Iraqis come up to him to thank him.

[sulphurdunn]

35. It is unlikely

Cheney ever gives the misery he has brought into the world a thought. If George Bush is the stupidest man ever to serve in the White House, Cheney is the evilest. If the American people have any shred of a defense for what happened in those years it is only that these monsters were not elected.

[xtraxritical]

41. Cheney and Bush will never leave this country (Haiti maybe) for fear of arrest.

[southern_belle]

47. +1000 n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

53. Folks at the Pentagon used to call them "The Crazies"...

The fact that the establishment never exposed them tells me a lot.

There are supposed to be checks and balances in place to prevent this crap.

[nineteen50]

13. Only person I know that

gets a nose bleed just thinking about how tall his bad ass is.

[OldDem2012]

14. Just my opinion based on the events of 9/11, but I bet United Flight 93 was actually...

....shot down. The threat to Washington, DC was eliminated, and the whiz-kids at the CIA were able to make heroes out of the passengers and crew.

I have no doubt that the passengers tried to take back the plane from the hijackers, but I think there's a second part to this story.

http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=7999

QUOTE:

SHANKSVILLE, Pa. - Ernie Stuhl is the mayor of this tiny farming borough that was so brutally placed on America's psychic map on the morning of Sept. 11, when United Airlines Flight 93 slammed nose-down into the edge of a barren strip-mine moonscape a couple of miles outside of town.

A 77-year-old World War II veteran and retired Dodge dealer, he's certainly no conspiracy theorist.

And, when you ask Stuhl for his theory of what caused the jetliner to crash that morning, he will give you the prevailing theory - that a cockpit battle between the hijackers and burly, heroic passengers somehow caused the Boeing 757 to spiral out of control. "There's no doubt in my mind that they did put it down before it got to Washington and caused more damage," he said.

But press the mayor for details, and he will add something surprising.

"I know of two people - I will not mention names - that heard a missile," Stuhl said. "They both live very close, within a couple of hundred yards. . .This one fellow's served in Vietnam and he says he's heard them, and he heard one that day." The mayor adds that based on what he knows about that morning, military F-16 fighter jets were "very, very close."

....and....

What is surprising is this: Go to Shanksville and the surrounding farm fields where people actually saw or heard the jetliner go down at roughly 10:06 that morning and there are a number of people - including witnesses - who also think that Flight 93 was shot down, or at least aren't ruling it out.

Laura Temyer, who lives several miles north of the crash site in Hooversville, was hanging some clothes outside that morning when she heard an airplane pass overhead. That struck her as unusual since she'd just heard on TV that all flights were grounded.

"I heard like a boom and the engine sounded funny," she told the Daily News. "I heard two more booms - and then I did not hear anything."

....and....

* THE 911 CALL. At 9:58 a.m., roughly eight minutes before impact, a 911 emergency dispatcher in neighboring Westmoreland County took a call from a frantic passenger who said he was locked in the bathroom of Flight 93 and that the plane had been hijacked. The caller said there had been an explosion aboard the plane and there was white smoke. Authorities have never explained the report, and the 911 tape itself was immediately confiscated by the FBI.

* THE DEBRIS FIELD. The reclaimed mine where the plane crashed is composed of very soft soil, and searchers say much of the wreckage was found buried 20-25 feet below the large crater. But despite that, there was also widely scattered debris in the immediate vicinity and further afield. Considerable debris washed up more than two miles away at Indian Lake, and a canceled check and brokerage statement from the plane was found in a deep valley some eight miles away that week.

* THE MYSTERY PLANE. Many people in the Shanksville area, including some interviewed by the Daily News, saw a fast-moving, unmarked small jet fly overhead a very short time after Flight 93 crashed. Several days later, authorities said they believe the plane was a Falcon 20 private jet that was headed to nearby Johnstown but was asked to descend and survey the crash site. Yet officials have never identified the pilot nor explained why he was still airborne roughly 30 minutes after the government ordered all aircraft to land at the closest airport.

* THE ENGINE. While the FBI and other authorities have said the plane was mostly obliterated by the roughly 500 mph impact, they also said an engine - or at least a 1,000-pound piece of one - was found "a considerable distance" from the crater. Stuhl, the Shanksville mayor, said it was found in the woods just west of the crash. That information is intriguing to shoot-down theory proponents, since the heat-seeking, air-to-air Sidewinder missiles aboard an F-16 would likely target one of the Boeing 757's two large engines.

* LOCATION OF F-16S. From Day 1, the government has given conflicting accounts about the exact whereabouts of three North Dakota Air National Guard F-16s, assigned to national air defense, based at Langley Air Force base in Virginia and scrambled at the height of the attacks.

[rhett o rick]

26. Be warned that behavior like your post is grounds for exile to the CT dungeon.

Dont mess with our carefully crafted denial.

[reteachinwi]

27. I think OldDem can deal with it.

I love his posts.

[femmocrat]

34. Thank you for your post.

I live in SW PA (not too far from Somerset) and completely believe your account. At the time, I read everything I could find about Flight 93. Unfortunately, the truth will always be overshadowed by the myth surrounding the "official" accounts of heroics on board. The phrase "Let's Roll" makes me want to puke.

[sulphurdunn]

43. It has always disturbed me

that no interceptors were not scrambled from Andrew' Air Base to defend the Capitol until after the Pentagon was hit. Just as disturbing is that all reference to the fighter squadrons stationed there was scrubbed from the base website the following day.

[OldDem2012]

51. You might like this article....

Complete 911 Timeline. Training Exercises on 9/11

Read the opening couple of paragraphs, and then scroll down to:

Numerous Units at Andrews

Fighter squadrons based at Andrews on 9/11 were:

* Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 321 (VMFA-321), which flies the F/A-18 Hornet fighter jet

* Naval Air Facility, Washington, DC, which has numerous aircraft available, including the F/A-18 Hornet.

[840high]

50. I've thought this

so many times.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

56. holy crap

and doesn't sound unrealistic at all.

[malaise]

61. I have always believed that

The way they pushed their version in the movie was even more proof. I'm still waiting for someone to explain those cell phone calls from the aircraft.

[magellan]

15. It would be far simpler to list what he didn't lie about

The Great Experiment drew its last breath in December 2000. One day we might see prosecutions for all that happened next, but there's no going back.

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." ~ aide to Bush, later attributed to Karl Rove, Nov 2004

[Volaris]

16. I'll say this for the Cabal..

they sure picked themselves one hell of a stooge (in the form of "President" Bush) didn't they?
CHENEY was President that day, wether he was elected, or not.

"Continunity of Goverment" my ass. When other countries do that, it's called a Coup D'etat

On a related (and lighter) note:

[nineteen50]

21. I can hear Mr. 5x chicken

Shot them all down and hide my ass quick.

[tularetom]

17. Wow, he makes W seem like a callow insecure mama's boy

Oh that's right. W is a callow insecure mama's boy.

[nineteen50]

18. Cheney the definition of

bravery from beyond range times five.

[green for victory]

19. Cheney, Porter Goss, the Saudi Connection-

if enough people keep yanking these threads the whole sweater might start to come unraveled. The idea that a cave dweller 8000 miles away orchestrated this is preposterous.

This might be one of the most important clips from 911- It might be the engine noise from flt 77 @1:02. The timing fits- the capitol was being evacuated at 10:07, the only other time this little press gathering could have occurred.

And if that jet noise IS flt 77, what is the explosion before the jet whine?

Operation 40- Porter Goss with Barry Seal in Mexico-1963

[LeftInTX]

20. Cheney's reply to the allegations: So. Lies don't matter.

[chuckstevens]

23. But what about BENGHAZI?

And they RAGE about 4 deaths in Libya which no rational person could logically blame President Obama.

The next time any Republican says anything about Benghazi, I want a leading democrat to literally stand up and tell them to SHUT THE FUCK UP unless they support a new full scale investigation of what really happened on 9/11.

[sakabatou]

25. And no congressional hearing

[reteachinwi]

28. I just hope the heart he got

wasn't from a combat vet.

[forestpath]

29. He's in luck - it doesn't matter since neither Congress nor Obama will do a thing about it.

No matter what it is.

[johnnyreb]

30. Careful.

If we Look Back too freely, we might burst the dam of corruption and unleash all kinds of Democratic win.

[Thinkingabout]

31. Many many lies, cover up all the way. I still want to know about the bin Laden family

Living in the US who was allowed to leave by the administration while others could not fly. The Bush family had many ties with the bin Laden family, I wonder what is hidden in their closets. We need Larry Flynt to start outing some of this gang until they forget about Benghazi. We lost four thousand in Iraq and they want to keep Benghazi going

[lovuian]

32. He admits he has lied to Congress and America

and it looks like he gave the order to bring down the Pennsylvania plane

the Bin Laudin family were flown out of the country by Attorney general Aschcroft

It seems the Executive branch lied about 911 Iraq and torture was done

It is so in your face America ....and there is nothing you can do to me

I think he is taking the fall so Baby Bush doesn't look so bad ...leading the way to JeB Bush presidency


those who argued things didn't add up in 911 are vindicated thanks to CHENEY

[graham4anything]

33. WTF???Dowd is saying W has nothing to do with it, which helps Jeb...Why???

So, this means Jeb can run, knowing that W had NOTHING to do with it, right?
because oddly enough the OParticle by Dowd, and just about all the responses are blaming Cheney,
and absolving W of any guilt of anything.

Meaning, Jeb and the entire Bush family has nothing to worry about.

That is very odd.
Just blame Dick.

ironicly, that is what they did by getting Nixon out of office w/ the Bushtype team at Watergate, and with 41 trying to weasel a VP both from Nixon and Ford, but neither would have it.

So, Bush is never involved in anything.
No bum rush to blame Bush when one can blame Cheney I guess.

Weird.

I mean, do you see what the OParticle is saying? Blame Dick. Leave W/Jeb out of it.

Maureen Down hates President Obama. And she is absolving the Bush's to blame Dick.
Do people see that sleight of hand masterfully woven by Maureen?

This makes me now real suspicious. I knew she hate the President with a passion.
But it appears she is looking to make Jeb Bush president by what she is coverty saying here.

[The Wizard]

36. In the words of Dead Eye Dick

"So."
And the pathology indicates a polygraph would be useless on him. Lying is what he's always done. So.

[Historic NY]

37. Here is an example of what a domestic drone attack...

should be about.

[SCVDem]

38. Waterboard the bastard!

Then lock him and his family up! They are all as culpable as we hold the Bin Ladin family!

This is treason and Cheney is a traitor who deeply divided America to this day!

He is an enemy of the state.

[7wo7rees]

39. Is was his presidency all along.

If only he could find a better actor...





Why were there drills scheduled for the same day for all those F-16s?


Never Forget

[niyad]

40. he can tell the "truth" because, no matter what he says, he will never face justice.

[RoccoR5955]

44. Why is that rat bass turd not in the Crowbar Hotel...

...pounding rock salt into a rat hole for the rest of his life?
Along with the rest of his cronies.
How many of you don't think that they either let it happen on purpose, or made it happen on purpose?

[maddiemom]

45. And like all megalomaniacs, Cheney wants everyone to know how "brilliant"

he is. After little more than a decade, he's already feeling safe enough to brag about his coup. Even with his new heart, he wants to be sure that he gets the reaction while he's alive to enjoy it.

[bbgrunt]

46. some particles of truth dribble out--

9/10ths of the ice berg is still hidden. I doubt many will even become aware of this small truth given the state of media and corporate power today.

[wet_to_activate]

48. cheney is just taunting us to attempt to prosecute him

and yet....President bush...er Obama/bushLite won't do a goddamn fucking thing about it. chainee could show you definitive proof of his complicity in 9/11 with impunity. Fuckget about it already...unless of course you've got a DA willing to bring charges:

http://www.prosecutegeorgebush.com
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[Whoopdedoo]

49. Ever notice that a headline like this

Falls on deaf ears? Some of us knew that if Bush got elected we would attack Iraq. Way before 9/11 it was preordained and Cheney ... once he was chosen to be VP sealed the deal. It hurts to know what would and did happen.
I am personally numb to the shit that has gone down because we already stated why we should impeach the Supreme Court for putting Bush the evader of everything in office. That never happened. And now you are pretty well screwed.
Your best bet is to get out and vote. In fact it is your only option besides anarchy.

[Hekate]

52. Like Rumsfeld, if Cheney's lips were moving, he was lying. Bush too.

What was the question?

[Rex]

54. Cheney didn't have time to pretend W was in charge.

He was always in charge over the 8 years. Dubya was his fallman, if Cheney needed one. Most of the words out of Dick's mouth are lies...including caring about The People or America. He is a warmongering, sellout charlatan that created massive amounts of graves for other people's dads, mothers, sons, daughters and their children.

He is a hideous creature that hurt our nation for 8 years and who knows how long into the future.

[midnight]

55. No more tinfoil needed??

[burrowowl]

57. Prosecute the lowlife!

and make him pay out of pocket for his heart transplant and prosecute Halliburton and all the others. God DAMN them to HELL!

[just1voice]

58. There are 1000s of pages of evidence that Cheney et. al. are all traitors

Being called a liar is nothing to them, as is being called and repeatedly being proven a traitor. Nobody will hold them accountable for WMD conspiracy to commit war, setting up torture camps and wiretapping 1000s of Americans. They are above the law.

It's that simple. We lived in a 2-tiered justice system wherein laws only apply to some people. I understand that this is not the America most Americans want but it is what we have now.

[Berlum]

59. "Heh, heh." - Dickie 'Five-Military-Deferments' Cheney (R to the Core)

[Live and Learn]

62. How well I remember that bleak silence...

And the pathetic response afterwards. We had no leaders, just liars. A very sad time in history.