General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShocking New Evidence Reveals Depths of 'Treason' and 'Treachery' of Watergate and Iran-Contra
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/shocking-new-evidence-reveals-depths-treason-and-treachery-watergate-and-iranA favorite saying of Official Washington is that the cover-up is worse than the crime. But that presupposes you accurately understand what the crime was. And, in the case of the two major U.S. government scandals of the last third of the Twentieth Century Watergate and Iran-Contra that doesnt seem to be the case.
Indeed, newly disclosed documents have put old evidence into a sharply different light and suggest that history has substantially miswritten the two scandals by failing to understand that they actually were sequels to earlier scandals that were far worse. Watergate and Iran-Contra were, in part at least, extensions of the original crimes, which involved dirty dealings to secure the immense power of the presidency.
Shortly after Nixon took office in 1969, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover informed him of the existence of the file containing national security wiretaps documenting how Nixons emissaries had gone behind President Lyndon Johnsons back to convince the South Vietnamese government to boycott the Paris Peace Talks, which were close to ending the Vietnam War in fall 1968.In the case of Watergate the foiled Republican break-in at the Democratic National Committee in June 1972 and Richard Nixons botched cover-up leading to his resignation in August 1974 the evidence is now clear that Nixon created the Watergate burglars out of his panic that the Democrats might possess a file on his sabotage of Vietnam peace talks in 1968.
The disruption of Johnsons peace talks then enabled Nixon to hang on for a narrow victory over Democrat Hubert Humphrey. However, as the new President was taking steps in 1969 to extend the war another four-plus years, he sensed the threat from the wiretap file and ordered two of his top aides, chief of staff H.R. Bob Haldeman and National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger, to locate it. But they couldnt find the file.
malaise
(294,378 posts)Have to wonder if ReTHUGs/Neocons are currently involved in the sabotage in Afghanistan
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)A 1998 memo written by al-Qaida military chief Mohammed Atef reveals that Osama bin Ladens group had detailed knowledge of negotiations that were taking place between Afghanistans ruling Taliban and American government and business leaders over plans for a U.S. oil and gas pipeline across that Central Asian country.
The e-mail memo was found in 1998 on a computer seized by the FBI during its investigation into the 1998 African embassy bombings, which were sponsored by al-Qaida. Atefs memo was discovered by FBI counter-terrorism expert John ONeill, who left the bureau in 2001, complaining that U.S. oil interests were hindering his investigation into al-Qaida. ONeill, who became security chief at the World Trade Center, died in the Sept. 11 attack.
Atefs memo shines new light on what al-Qaida knew about U.S. efforts to normalize relations with the Taliban in exchange for the fundamentalist governments supporting the construction of an oil and gas pipeline across Afghanistan. As documented in the book I coauthored with Guillaume Dasquie, Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth, the Clinton and Bush administrations negotiated with the Taliban, both to get the repressive regime to widen its government as well as look favorably on U.S. companies attempts to construct an oil pipeline. The Bush White House stepped up negotiations with the Taliban in 2001. When those talks stalled in July, a Bush administration representative threatened the Taliban with military reprisals if the government did not go along with American demands.
The seven-page memo was signed Abu Hafs, which is the military name of Atef, who was the military chief of al-Qaida and is believed to have been killed in November 2001 during U.S. operations in Afghanistan. It shows al-Qaidas keen interest in the U.S.-Taliban negotiations and raises new questions as to whether the U.S. military threat to the Taliban in July 2001 could have prompted al-Qaidas Sept. 11 attack.
Atefs memo is not about the pipeline alone, though it mentions the project several times. It is an analysis of the political situation facing the Taliban. It documents the movements rise, its leadership, the geopolitical importance of Afghanistan, the Talibans relationship with Pakistan, as well as the movements relationship with the Arab mujahedin. The documents intended readership is unclear. But it reveals that the pipeline was seen as a strategic offering toward the West, in order to make the Taliban government acceptable to the United States and Pakistan, as well as to reduce military and investigative pressure on the country to rein in or even extradite bin Laden.
Atef explains that the United States wants to take control of any region which has huge quantities of oil reserves, and the American government is keen on laying the oil and gas pipelines from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan. Atef concludes that al-Qaidas duty toward the movement [Taliban] is to stand behind it, support it materially and morally, especially because its regional and international enemies are working night and day to put an end to it and make it fail.
malaise
(294,378 posts)Yes I needed a memory jolt
Xipe Totec
(44,512 posts)Ha! They pluck out mine eyes.
Will all great Neptunes ocean wash this blood clean from my hand? No, this my hand will rather the multitudinous seas incarnadine, making the green one red.
- MACBETH
Like Lady Macbeth, Nixon was eternally trying to scrub his record clean, to wash away the evidence of guilt. Yet the cleansing was more damning than the stain.
Raster
(21,010 posts)...I'd rather not, but... It would seem that Poppy's purposes were to try and wipe the nazi sympathizer stain from the family name. And just when they thought the family name was beginning to bask in legitimacy...BANG!... good ol' Dubya steps on to the national scene and screws the pooch.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)
Xipe Totec
(44,512 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)The Republicans have been up to some deeply dark occult shit against America and the American people for quite some time.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)The RepubliCONS seem to take great pride in aligning themselves with all that is evil and traitorous.
Take the turning of the stars on the GOP elephant symbol. Why are the five pointed stars upside down? Normally upside down 5 pointed stars are associated with devil worship. The upside down star has 2 horns, a chin and 2 ears to resemble the devil. A normal star has a point on top with 2 arms and 2 legs (more in the shape of a person). It's as if RepubliCONS are rubbing it in the face of the foolish religious right. Ha, ha, you vote for us, all the while we give you clear indications we are in league with you enemy the devil.
Ok, ok aside from symbols of evil, look at all RepubliCON presidents starting with Nixon. None of them, even Nixon, got elected without some kind of traitorous scandal. Nixon's are out lined in the post. Raygun made a deal with the Iranian terrorist who were holding Americans hostage. Bush I was involved in the Iran-Contra affair. And of course the bushes election by 7 judges who agreed to by-pass the Constitution of the US. Can't get more traitorous than that.
CanonRay
(16,039 posts)Now that is a great thesis for a book.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
dotymed
(5,610 posts)Corporate owned and manipulated politicians."
The way you posted,(Do not trust any politician) is the motto i live by.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)"It was in that intense climate in 1971 that Daniel Ellsberg, a former senior Defense Department official, gave the New York Times a copy of the Pentagon Papers, the secret U.S. history of the Vietnam War from 1945 to 1967. The voluminous report documented many of the lies most told by Democrats to draw the American people into the war."
The military-industrial cartels that have taken over our government have long had their fingers around the necks of both parties. The cancer lies not in the parties, rather they are the host, the disease is greed and control, and its method of transmission is the corrupting influence of money in politics. The cure is comprehensive campaign finance reform.
quaker bill
(8,262 posts)and it would seem they never got back on. As bad as it sounds, it seems to me that so much more is left out. There is no mention of the Nixon-Mitchell run company that supplied the Contras with surplus Romanian weapons and uniforms during Iran Contra, or how good chunks of plundered S&L money also supported these efforts including Silverado funds (Neil Bush) in a series of bogus real estate deals that implicated a good number of Repug senators including a recent Presidential candidate (John McCain).
The cash for drugs for guns "Air America" bit, that ran out of military bases in Panama and prompted the invasion of Panama when Noriega stopped cooperatiing and threatened to spill the beans....
The training of many Central American "death squads" at the "School of the Americas".....
The violation of the civil rights of Americans involved in CISPES....
The extra-judicial executions of US reporters that went there to investigate (the old fashioned way - bullet to the skull)
It is all really bad stuff, and it is stunning how far it went. It iwll take a lifetime to declassify and unpack all of it, if it ever happens.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)wanted to make damn sure another New Deal would never happen again.
The most ostensible example of their determination to thwart another FDR-style presidency is the GOP-led limit on presidential terms. It's not proven conclusively, but there are indications that Prescott may have been involved in some way in the so-called "business plot" to stage a coup against FDR and install Smedley Butler as their strongman. They didn't count on Butler, a war hero, exposing the plot.
I believe all the shadowy things that went on behind the alphabet soup of assassinations in the '60s (JFK, RFK, MLK) is the dark legacy of that determination and extends into Nixon's dirty deeds and later October Surprise and beyond.
villager
(26,001 posts)...and set the stage for the tragic, amnesiac, America-ending decades that followed...
Add in Grenada invasion for a secure place to air lift drugs for black ops as well as support for death squads before the attack on Panama. Hidden money unrestricted transport to inside the US. Wonder where....Arkansas maybe?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)blm
(114,491 posts).
think
(11,641 posts)of the American empire.....
NBachers
(19,292 posts)and beyond
dotymed
(5,610 posts)Reagan traded arms for hostages before the release of the Iran hostages. The deal was contingent upon Iran not releasing the hostages until after the reagan-Carter election was over. Besides the treason of supplying iran with weapons, it was compounded by the election stealing that the "bargain" created.
The hostages remained captives until after reagan "won" the presidency. What an "illustrious" beginning for the man(?) who began the death spiral of America...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)magic59
(429 posts)Nixon, Haig, Kissinger, Hoover, Regan, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, C. Rice, Ect...., Ect.... Ect...
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)mountain grammy
(28,828 posts)If only we had a group of investigative journalist who would take the time and effort to expose what the repukicans really stand for. What is even sadder is the inability of the American people to care, and believe what those assholes say.
tanyev
(48,918 posts)librechik
(30,956 posts)go away and take your whole traitor family/party with you, please.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)JPZenger
(6,819 posts)NPR's Fresh Air had a good interview with the author of a new book on J. Edgar Hoover, which is based on tons of recently released materials and tapes.
The author says that J. Edgar Hoover refused to let the FBI be used for Nixon's dirty tricks. Hoover was perfectly willing to do everything possible (legal or not) to go after supposed Commies and perverts, but he wasn't willing to do it to spy on Democrats for purely partisan purposes. As a direct result, Nixon created his own "Plumbers" group, which was caught in the Watergate break-in.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)K & R
Initech
(108,087 posts)Prescott Bush tried to overthrow FDR and stage a billionaire fascist coup.
The BFEE and their billionaire friends helped the Nazi party rise to power.
Bush Sr. allowed treason to happen in Reagan's administration when they tried to stage an illegal war in Nicaragua.
And I'm sure they had a hand in JFKs assassination. To what degree is unknown but I'm positive they were involved.
Rex
(65,616 posts)to help with the revisionist history of America. They are nothing more than domestic terrorists. Obvious proof to anyone that even halfway tries to see - the GOP hates The People with a passion and does everything possible to bring about our demise.
johnnyreb
(915 posts)Great entry-level 2-minute song from "American Dad", a cartoon by "Family Guy" creator Seth McFarlane.
http://videosift.com/video/Ollie-North-High-Treason
I believed the bullshit for decades. I don't anymore...
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)The Nixon/Johnson stuff anyway. The book is a most excellent read that I highly recommend.
Nixon wanted the files, yes. He set up the burglary, yes. But he protected LBJ and the Presidency itself by taking the fall he did. LBJ had illegally wiretapped Nixon and bugged his campaign plane. That's how Johnson knew that Nixon sabotaged the peace talks but he couldn't say anything because of how he obtained the information. It's quite fascinating.
Nixon and Carter are my favorites from the book. Nixon was an incredibly smart man and Carter is a great person who truly only cares about doing the right thing, politics be damned.
postulater
(5,075 posts)he became a mercenary for the US govt. Went to CostaRica as a base and 'took out' some people the US wanted dead.
30 years of PTSD and near total disability from Agent Orange.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)does good work. Details on Nixon's crimes I had not known.
Have to disagree with JPZenger - Seth Rosenfeld's new book, "Subversives", clearly shows that JE Hoover was willing, and did, spy on democrats & innocents for Reagan. It too is a real eye opener.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)because I figgered it would land in the conspiracy dungeon.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)But, I guess we have to look forward.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)The Republicans seem to follow a trend...they are all equally of the devil without remorse but put on the happy "Christian" face to the nation.
I know Tricky Dicky will be suffering hell (if there is one) and hope that St.Ronnie share his room. We can only hope that Shrub, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and their buddies suffer as well. Oh, did I mention the "subordinates" in these schemes such as Oliver North?
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Some context from this story (hopefully I'm within copyright limits for fair use, tried to clip it to a minimum, these are not complete paragraphs):
...the evidence is now clear that Nixon created the Watergate burglars out of his panic that the Democrats might possess a file on his sabotage of Vietnam peace talks in 1968.
...
The disruption of Johnsons peace talks then enabled Nixon to hang on for a narrow victory over Democrat Hubert Humphrey. ... the new President ... sensed the threat from the wiretap file and ordered two of his top aides, chief of staff H.R. Bob Haldeman and National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger, to locate it. But they couldnt find the file.
We now know that was because President Johnson, who privately had called Nixons Vietnam actions treason, had ordered the file removed from the White House by his national security aide Walt Rostow.
Rostow labeled the file The X Envelope and kept it in his possession ...
Ironically, too, Johnson and Rostow had no intention of exposing Nixons dirty secret regarding LBJs Vietnam peace talks, presumably for the same reasons that they kept their mouths shut back in 1968, out of a benighted belief that revealing Nixons actions might somehow not be good for the country.
(after getting re-elected) Nixon then reached out to Johnson seeking his help in squelching Democratic-led investigations of the Watergate affair and slyly noting that Johnson had ordered wiretaps of Nixons campaign in 1968.
Johnson reacted angrily to the overture, refusing to cooperate. On Jan. 20, 1973, Nixon was sworn in for his second term. On Jan. 22, 1973, Johnson died of a heart attack.
So, Parry says LBJ wouldn't release the 'X' Envelope "out of a benighted belief that revealing Nixon's actions might somehow not be "good for thee country". That seemed odd to me, didn't pass the smell test. But if this info had its roots in an illegal wiretap of Nixon's campaign by LBJ, it makes a lot more sense.
Major kudos to Parry for this article. The whole thing should be read by anyone wanting to understand our actual history. Both the Nixon and Reagan-Bush administrations came to power by defeating peace efforts / hostage releases at the end of the prior Democratic administration.
History seriously needs to be rewritten, so we can go forward without the blinders and be willing to critically examine all possible explanations of major political events. We pay for this naivety with our freedom, living under illegitimate power. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see this kind of thing go down near the end of Obama's term to bring Jeb into power.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)And he thought Nixon would be better for the country. That's also in "The Presidents Club".
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Knowing what we now know about Nixon, that's either very sad, or it says something very bad about Johnson or Humphrey.
But I would think the release of any info on Nixon's interference in the Vietnamese peace talks might lead dangerously close to the discovery that Johnson had wiretapped Nixon's campaign in the '68 race. Seems likely to be the reason the info was buried, especially seeing how long they tried to bury it for (50 year increments extended indefinitely).
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)In a sense, Nixon, by resigning and not revealing that information, protected and in a sense preserved the Office of the President.
He wasn't really doing anything that hadn't been done before. His tactics were just a little less subtle than the others. His real mistake was that he had the recorders set to record whenever anyone spoke rather than on a switch, the way Kennedy originally had it set up.
His ego and paranoia killed him. Johnson was never going to dime him, he couldn't.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)"protected and in a sense preserved the Office of the President."
Similar to Parry's interpretation. Probably how Nixon and Johnson viewed it. Seems to me they were just looking out for their own hides. The Office of the President needs to be accountable to history, and would survive any scandal.
And this wasn't just wire-tapping or amateur break-ins, it was, in the case of Nixon in '68, about sabotaging the Vietnam peace negotiations, which led to a much longer and deadlier war, as well as to the expansion of the war into Cambodia and Laos. That's not protecting the Office of the President, that's betraying entire peoples and nations for the purpose of getting elected.
A minor quibble I had with an excellent article.
lib2DaBone
(8,124 posts)... as they squander our resources and install brutal dictators .
