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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:52 AM Mar 2013

Shocking New Evidence Reveals Depths of 'Treason' and 'Treachery' of Watergate and Iran-Contra

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/shocking-new-evidence-reveals-depths-treason-and-treachery-watergate-and-iran

A favorite saying of Official Washington is that “the cover-up is worse than the crime.” But that presupposes you accurately understand what the crime was. And, in the case of the two major U.S. government scandals of the last third of the Twentieth Century – Watergate and Iran-Contra – that doesn’t seem to be the case.

Indeed, newly disclosed documents have put old evidence into a sharply different light and suggest that history has substantially miswritten the two scandals by failing to understand that they actually were sequels to earlier scandals that were far worse. Watergate and Iran-Contra were, in part at least, extensions of the original crimes, which involved dirty dealings to secure the immense power of the presidency.

Shortly after Nixon took office in 1969, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover informed him of the existence of the file containing national security wiretaps documenting how Nixon’s emissaries had gone behind President Lyndon Johnson’s back to convince the South Vietnamese government to boycott the Paris Peace Talks, which were close to ending the Vietnam War in fall 1968.In the case of Watergate – the foiled Republican break-in at the Democratic National Committee in June 1972 and Richard Nixon’s botched cover-up leading to his resignation in August 1974 – the evidence is now clear that Nixon created the Watergate burglars out of his panic that the Democrats might possess a file on his sabotage of Vietnam peace talks in 1968.

The disruption of Johnson’s peace talks then enabled Nixon to hang on for a narrow victory over Democrat Hubert Humphrey. However, as the new President was taking steps in 1969 to extend the war another four-plus years, he sensed the threat from the wiretap file and ordered two of his top aides, chief of staff H.R. “Bob” Haldeman and National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger, to locate it. But they couldn’t find the file.
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Shocking New Evidence Reveals Depths of 'Treason' and 'Treachery' of Watergate and Iran-Contra (Original Post) xchrom Mar 2013 OP
K & R malaise Mar 2013 #1
Wonder? Having a touch of amnesia? Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #41
LOL malaise Mar 2013 #44
What hands are here? Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #2
Take the family Bush*... Raster Mar 2013 #5
Out out, damn RepubliSpotters Berlum Mar 2013 #9
Most excelent! nt Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #30
Treason. A long, ugly pattern. Berlum Mar 2013 #3
No truer words were ever spoken...er written fasttense Mar 2013 #7
No Republican has been elected since 1928 without having been involved in Treason of some kind. CanonRay Mar 2013 #54
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #25
America Has A Cancer - Thine Name Is Republican cantbeserious Mar 2013 #4
"America Has A Cancer - Thine Name Is dotymed Mar 2013 #10
I like donnasgirl Mar 2013 #37
Indeed, and from the Parry article, dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #50
Nixon took them off the rails quaker bill Mar 2013 #6
nixon = prescott bush protegee. and this scenario puts me in mind of the october surprise. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #8
Yeah, I have a theory that the old rightwingers like prescott deutsey Mar 2013 #11
Exactly -- the 60's assassinations preceded these crimes (replete with overlapping personnel) villager Mar 2013 #26
Grenada ldlew Mar 2013 #12
Why Arkansas? eom ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2013 #27
Jackson Stephens. blm Mar 2013 #35
Welcome to the dark side think Mar 2013 #13
Let's not forget the threads & personnel running from the Kennedy assassination through to Watergate NBachers Mar 2013 #14
So far, no-one has written about reagan and bush sr.'s treason. dotymed Mar 2013 #15
And the conservative billionaire owned media won't do so now. Just Kardashian rumors daily... freshwest Mar 2013 #21
A whole new federal prison could have been built for those who got away magic59 Mar 2013 #16
We need to keep this issue alive and try to pressure the Corp-Media into discussing. nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #17
Agree, but no way.. they are in it up to their eyeballs. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #20
If mtasselin Mar 2013 #18
Marking to read later. tanyev Mar 2013 #19
lol--no baggage here Jeb! librechik Mar 2013 #22
After all the Iraq lies and war crimes ...I am not shocked at the little offenses in the past. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #23
. snagglepuss Mar 2013 #24
Book: there were some things even J. Edgar Hoover wouldn't do for Nixon JPZenger Mar 2013 #28
I believe the BFEE was a key player in all of these events Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #29
They've been a key player in everything evil that has happened since 1930. Initech Mar 2013 #31
The GOP had to build a billion dollar propaganda outlet known as the M$M Rex Mar 2013 #32
Ollie North, tv cartoon song johnnyreb Mar 2013 #33
KnR KansDem Mar 2013 #34
This is all in the book "The Presidents Club". MrSlayer Mar 2013 #36
A vet told me today that after his tours in VietNam postulater Mar 2013 #38
Robert Parry . . FairWinds Mar 2013 #39
I saw this story, read it, emailed it to my Usual Suspect list, & didn't post it here Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #40
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #42
This is one of the most important stories of our time. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #43
Agreed !!! - Hoover, Johnson, JFK, Vietnam, Nixon, Reagan, Millions Dead, Democracy On Life Support WillyT Mar 2013 #46
We all knew that tricky Dicky was Satan's spawn and so was "Saint" Ronnie.... Swede Atlanta Mar 2013 #45
The LBJ illegal wiretap was a piece I didn't know, it explains a lot. dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #47
Well, Johnson hated Humphrey. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #48
Yikes. dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #49
Indeed. That's precisely it. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #52
I see what you did dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #53
More from the "Family Values" crowd..... lib2DaBone Mar 2013 #51

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
41. Wonder? Having a touch of amnesia?
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:43 PM
Mar 2013
http://www.salon.com/2002/06/05/memo_11/

A 1998 memo written by al-Qaida military chief Mohammed Atef reveals that Osama bin Laden’s group had detailed knowledge of negotiations that were taking place between Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban and American government and business leaders over plans for a U.S. oil and gas pipeline across that Central Asian country.

The e-mail memo was found in 1998 on a computer seized by the FBI during its investigation into the 1998 African embassy bombings, which were sponsored by al-Qaida. Atef’s memo was discovered by FBI counter-terrorism expert John O’Neill, who left the bureau in 2001, complaining that U.S. oil interests were hindering his investigation into al-Qaida. O’Neill, who became security chief at the World Trade Center, died in the Sept. 11 attack.

Atef’s memo shines new light on what al-Qaida knew about U.S. efforts to normalize relations with the Taliban in exchange for the fundamentalist government’s supporting the construction of an oil and gas pipeline across Afghanistan. As documented in the book I coauthored with Guillaume Dasquie, “Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth,” the Clinton and Bush administrations negotiated with the Taliban, both to get the repressive regime to widen its government as well as look favorably on U.S. companies’ attempts to construct an oil pipeline. The Bush White House stepped up negotiations with the Taliban in 2001. When those talks stalled in July, a Bush administration representative threatened the Taliban with military reprisals if the government did not go along with American demands.

The seven-page memo was signed “Abu Hafs,” which is the military name of Atef, who was the military chief of al-Qaida and is believed to have been killed in November 2001 during U.S. operations in Afghanistan. It shows al-Qaida’s keen interest in the U.S.-Taliban negotiations and raises new questions as to whether the U.S. military threat to the Taliban in July 2001 could have prompted al-Qaida’s Sept. 11 attack.

Atef’s memo is not about the pipeline alone, though it mentions the project several times. It is an analysis of the political situation facing the Taliban. It documents the movement’s rise, its leadership, the geopolitical importance of Afghanistan, the Taliban’s relationship with Pakistan, as well as the movement’s relationship with the Arab mujahedin. The document’s intended readership is unclear. But it reveals that the pipeline was seen as a strategic offering toward the West, in order to make the Taliban government acceptable to the United States and Pakistan, as well as to reduce military and investigative pressure on the country to rein in or even extradite bin Laden.

Atef explains that the United States wants “to take control of any region which has huge quantities of oil reserves,” and “the American government is keen on laying the oil and gas pipelines from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan.” Atef concludes that al-Qaida’s “duty toward the movement [Taliban] is to stand behind it, support it materially and morally, especially because its regional and international enemies are working night and day to put an end to it and make it fail.”

Xipe Totec

(44,512 posts)
2. What hands are here?
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:12 AM
Mar 2013

Ha! They pluck out mine eyes.
Will all great Neptune’s ocean wash this blood clean from my hand? No, this my hand will rather the multitudinous seas incarnadine, making the green one red.

- MACBETH

Like Lady Macbeth, Nixon was eternally trying to scrub his record clean, to wash away the evidence of guilt. Yet the cleansing was more damning than the stain.

Raster

(21,010 posts)
5. Take the family Bush*...
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:32 AM
Mar 2013

...I'd rather not, but... It would seem that Poppy's purposes were to try and wipe the nazi sympathizer stain from the family name. And just when they thought the family name was beginning to bask in legitimacy...BANG!... good ol' Dubya steps on to the national scene and screws the pooch.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
3. Treason. A long, ugly pattern.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:22 AM
Mar 2013

The Republicans have been up to some deeply dark occult shit against America and the American people for quite some time.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
7. No truer words were ever spoken...er written
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:47 AM
Mar 2013

The RepubliCONS seem to take great pride in aligning themselves with all that is evil and traitorous.

Take the turning of the stars on the GOP elephant symbol. Why are the five pointed stars upside down? Normally upside down 5 pointed stars are associated with devil worship. The upside down star has 2 horns, a chin and 2 ears to resemble the devil. A normal star has a point on top with 2 arms and 2 legs (more in the shape of a person). It's as if RepubliCONS are rubbing it in the face of the foolish religious right. Ha, ha, you vote for us, all the while we give you clear indications we are in league with you enemy the devil.

Ok, ok aside from symbols of evil, look at all RepubliCON presidents starting with Nixon. None of them, even Nixon, got elected without some kind of traitorous scandal. Nixon's are out lined in the post. Raygun made a deal with the Iranian terrorist who were holding Americans hostage. Bush I was involved in the Iran-Contra affair. And of course the bushes election by 7 judges who agreed to by-pass the Constitution of the US. Can't get more traitorous than that.

CanonRay

(16,039 posts)
54. No Republican has been elected since 1928 without having been involved in Treason of some kind.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:26 AM
Mar 2013

Now that is a great thesis for a book.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
50. Indeed, and from the Parry article,
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:28 AM
Mar 2013

"It was in that intense climate in 1971 that Daniel Ellsberg, a former senior Defense Department official, gave the New York Times a copy of the Pentagon Papers, the secret U.S. history of the Vietnam War from 1945 to 1967. The voluminous report documented many of the lies – most told by Democrats – to draw the American people into the war."

The military-industrial cartels that have taken over our government have long had their fingers around the necks of both parties. The cancer lies not in the parties, rather they are the host, the disease is greed and control, and its method of transmission is the corrupting influence of money in politics. The cure is comprehensive campaign finance reform.

quaker bill

(8,262 posts)
6. Nixon took them off the rails
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:16 AM
Mar 2013

and it would seem they never got back on. As bad as it sounds, it seems to me that so much more is left out. There is no mention of the Nixon-Mitchell run company that supplied the Contras with surplus Romanian weapons and uniforms during Iran Contra, or how good chunks of plundered S&L money also supported these efforts including Silverado funds (Neil Bush) in a series of bogus real estate deals that implicated a good number of Repug senators including a recent Presidential candidate (John McCain).

The cash for drugs for guns "Air America" bit, that ran out of military bases in Panama and prompted the invasion of Panama when Noriega stopped cooperatiing and threatened to spill the beans....

The training of many Central American "death squads" at the "School of the Americas".....

The violation of the civil rights of Americans involved in CISPES....

The extra-judicial executions of US reporters that went there to investigate (the old fashioned way - bullet to the skull)

It is all really bad stuff, and it is stunning how far it went. It iwll take a lifetime to declassify and unpack all of it, if it ever happens.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
11. Yeah, I have a theory that the old rightwingers like prescott
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:23 AM
Mar 2013

wanted to make damn sure another New Deal would never happen again.

The most ostensible example of their determination to thwart another FDR-style presidency is the GOP-led limit on presidential terms. It's not proven conclusively, but there are indications that Prescott may have been involved in some way in the so-called "business plot" to stage a coup against FDR and install Smedley Butler as their strongman. They didn't count on Butler, a war hero, exposing the plot.

I believe all the shadowy things that went on behind the alphabet soup of assassinations in the '60s (JFK, RFK, MLK) is the dark legacy of that determination and extends into Nixon's dirty deeds and later October Surprise and beyond.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
26. Exactly -- the 60's assassinations preceded these crimes (replete with overlapping personnel)
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:36 PM
Mar 2013

...and set the stage for the tragic, amnesiac, America-ending decades that followed...

ldlew

(18 posts)
12. Grenada
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:28 AM
Mar 2013

Add in Grenada invasion for a secure place to air lift drugs for black ops as well as support for death squads before the attack on Panama. Hidden money unrestricted transport to inside the US. Wonder where....Arkansas maybe?

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
15. So far, no-one has written about reagan and bush sr.'s treason.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:38 AM
Mar 2013

Reagan traded arms for hostages before the release of the Iran hostages. The deal was contingent upon Iran not releasing the hostages until after the reagan-Carter election was over. Besides the treason of supplying iran with weapons, it was compounded by the election stealing that the "bargain" created.
The hostages remained captives until after reagan "won" the presidency. What an "illustrious" beginning for the man(?) who began the death spiral of America...

 

magic59

(429 posts)
16. A whole new federal prison could have been built for those who got away
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:42 AM
Mar 2013

Nixon, Haig, Kissinger, Hoover, Regan, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, C. Rice, Ect...., Ect.... Ect...

mtasselin

(668 posts)
18. If
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:48 AM
Mar 2013

If only we had a group of investigative journalist who would take the time and effort to expose what the repukicans really stand for. What is even sadder is the inability of the American people to care, and believe what those assholes say.

JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
28. Book: there were some things even J. Edgar Hoover wouldn't do for Nixon
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:45 PM
Mar 2013

NPR's Fresh Air had a good interview with the author of a new book on J. Edgar Hoover, which is based on tons of recently released materials and tapes.

The author says that J. Edgar Hoover refused to let the FBI be used for Nixon's dirty tricks. Hoover was perfectly willing to do everything possible (legal or not) to go after supposed Commies and perverts, but he wasn't willing to do it to spy on Democrats for purely partisan purposes. As a direct result, Nixon created his own "Plumbers" group, which was caught in the Watergate break-in.

Initech

(108,087 posts)
31. They've been a key player in everything evil that has happened since 1930.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 03:25 PM
Mar 2013

Prescott Bush tried to overthrow FDR and stage a billionaire fascist coup.

The BFEE and their billionaire friends helped the Nazi party rise to power.

Bush Sr. allowed treason to happen in Reagan's administration when they tried to stage an illegal war in Nicaragua.

And I'm sure they had a hand in JFKs assassination. To what degree is unknown but I'm positive they were involved.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. The GOP had to build a billion dollar propaganda outlet known as the M$M
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 03:49 PM
Mar 2013

to help with the revisionist history of America. They are nothing more than domestic terrorists. Obvious proof to anyone that even halfway tries to see - the GOP hates The People with a passion and does everything possible to bring about our demise.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
36. This is all in the book "The Presidents Club".
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:50 PM
Mar 2013

The Nixon/Johnson stuff anyway. The book is a most excellent read that I highly recommend.

Nixon wanted the files, yes. He set up the burglary, yes. But he protected LBJ and the Presidency itself by taking the fall he did. LBJ had illegally wiretapped Nixon and bugged his campaign plane. That's how Johnson knew that Nixon sabotaged the peace talks but he couldn't say anything because of how he obtained the information. It's quite fascinating.

Nixon and Carter are my favorites from the book. Nixon was an incredibly smart man and Carter is a great person who truly only cares about doing the right thing, politics be damned.

postulater

(5,075 posts)
38. A vet told me today that after his tours in VietNam
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:00 PM
Mar 2013

he became a mercenary for the US govt. Went to CostaRica as a base and 'took out' some people the US wanted dead.

30 years of PTSD and near total disability from Agent Orange.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
39. Robert Parry . .
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:20 PM
Mar 2013

does good work. Details on Nixon's crimes I had not known.
Have to disagree with JPZenger - Seth Rosenfeld's new book, "Subversives", clearly shows that JE Hoover was willing, and did, spy on democrats & innocents for Reagan. It too is a real eye opener.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
40. I saw this story, read it, emailed it to my Usual Suspect list, & didn't post it here
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:32 PM
Mar 2013

because I figgered it would land in the conspiracy dungeon.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
45. We all knew that tricky Dicky was Satan's spawn and so was "Saint" Ronnie....
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:28 PM
Mar 2013

The Republicans seem to follow a trend...they are all equally of the devil without remorse but put on the happy "Christian" face to the nation.

I know Tricky Dicky will be suffering hell (if there is one) and hope that St.Ronnie share his room. We can only hope that Shrub, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and their buddies suffer as well. Oh, did I mention the "subordinates" in these schemes such as Oliver North?

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
47. The LBJ illegal wiretap was a piece I didn't know, it explains a lot.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 02:32 AM
Mar 2013

Some context from this story (hopefully I'm within copyright limits for fair use, tried to clip it to a minimum, these are not complete paragraphs):

...the evidence is now clear that Nixon created the Watergate burglars out of his panic that the Democrats might possess a file on his sabotage of Vietnam peace talks in 1968.

...

The disruption of Johnson’s peace talks then enabled Nixon to hang on for a narrow victory over Democrat Hubert Humphrey. ... the new President ... sensed the threat from the wiretap file and ordered two of his top aides, chief of staff H.R. “Bob” Haldeman and National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger, to locate it. But they couldn’t find the file.

We now know that was because President Johnson, who privately had called Nixon’s Vietnam actions “treason,” had ordered the file removed from the White House by his national security aide Walt Rostow.

Rostow labeled the file “The ‘X’ Envelope” and kept it in his possession ...

Ironically, too, Johnson and Rostow had no intention of exposing Nixon’s dirty secret regarding LBJ’s Vietnam peace talks, presumably for the same reasons that they kept their mouths shut back in 1968, out of a benighted belief that revealing Nixon’s actions might somehow not be “good for the country.”

(after getting re-elected) Nixon then reached out to Johnson seeking his help in squelching Democratic-led investigations of the Watergate affair and slyly noting that Johnson had ordered wiretaps of Nixon’s campaign in 1968.

Johnson reacted angrily to the overture, refusing to cooperate. On Jan. 20, 1973, Nixon was sworn in for his second term. On Jan. 22, 1973, Johnson died of a heart attack.


So, Parry says LBJ wouldn't release the 'X' Envelope "out of a benighted belief that revealing Nixon's actions might somehow not be "good for thee country". That seemed odd to me, didn't pass the smell test. But if this info had its roots in an illegal wiretap of Nixon's campaign by LBJ, it makes a lot more sense.

Major kudos to Parry for this article. The whole thing should be read by anyone wanting to understand our actual history. Both the Nixon and Reagan-Bush administrations came to power by defeating peace efforts / hostage releases at the end of the prior Democratic administration.

History seriously needs to be rewritten, so we can go forward without the blinders and be willing to critically examine all possible explanations of major political events. We pay for this naivety with our freedom, living under illegitimate power. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see this kind of thing go down near the end of Obama's term to bring Jeb into power.
 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
48. Well, Johnson hated Humphrey.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 02:41 AM
Mar 2013

And he thought Nixon would be better for the country. That's also in "The Presidents Club".

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
49. Yikes.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:10 AM
Mar 2013

Knowing what we now know about Nixon, that's either very sad, or it says something very bad about Johnson or Humphrey.

But I would think the release of any info on Nixon's interference in the Vietnamese peace talks might lead dangerously close to the discovery that Johnson had wiretapped Nixon's campaign in the '68 race. Seems likely to be the reason the info was buried, especially seeing how long they tried to bury it for (50 year increments extended indefinitely).

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
52. Indeed. That's precisely it.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:50 AM
Mar 2013

In a sense, Nixon, by resigning and not revealing that information, protected and in a sense preserved the Office of the President.

He wasn't really doing anything that hadn't been done before. His tactics were just a little less subtle than the others. His real mistake was that he had the recorders set to record whenever anyone spoke rather than on a switch, the way Kennedy originally had it set up.

His ego and paranoia killed him. Johnson was never going to dime him, he couldn't.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
53. I see what you did
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:01 AM
Mar 2013

"protected and in a sense preserved the Office of the President."

Similar to Parry's interpretation. Probably how Nixon and Johnson viewed it. Seems to me they were just looking out for their own hides. The Office of the President needs to be accountable to history, and would survive any scandal.

And this wasn't just wire-tapping or amateur break-ins, it was, in the case of Nixon in '68, about sabotaging the Vietnam peace negotiations, which led to a much longer and deadlier war, as well as to the expansion of the war into Cambodia and Laos. That's not protecting the Office of the President, that's betraying entire peoples and nations for the purpose of getting elected.

A minor quibble I had with an excellent article.

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