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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:41 PM Mar 2013

Read this. All of it.



Tomas Young visits Ground Zero in the film Body of War.
(Photo: Ellen Spiro / Mobilus Media)


One of First Iraq Veterans to Publicly Oppose War Will Die for Our Sins
By Chris Hedges | Truthdig

I flew to Kansas City last week to see Tomas Young. Young was paralyzed in Iraq in 2004. He is now receiving hospice care at his home. I knew him by reputation and the movie documentary “Body of War.” He was one of the first veterans to publicly oppose the war in Iraq. He fought as long and as hard as he could against the war that crippled him, until his physical deterioration caught up with him.

“I had been toying with the idea of suicide for a long time because I had become helpless,” he told me in his small house on the Kansas City outskirts where he intends to die. “I couldn’t dress myself. People have to help me with the most rudimentary of things. I decided I did not want to go through life like that anymore. The pain, the frustration. …”

He stopped abruptly and called his wife. “Claudia, can I get some water?” She opened a bottle of water, took a swig so it would not spill when he sipped and handed it to him.

“I felt at the end of my rope,” the 33-year-old Army veteran went on. “I made the decision to go on hospice care, to stop feeding and fade away. This way, instead of committing the conventional suicide and I am out of the picture, people have a way to stop by or call and say their goodbyes. I felt this was a fairer way to treat people than to just go out with a note. After the anoxic brain injury in 2008 [a complication that Young suffered] I lost a lot of dexterity and strength in my upper body. So I wouldn’t be able to shoot myself or even open the pill bottle to give myself an overdose. The only way I could think of doing it was to have Claudia open the pill bottle for me, but I didn’t want her implicated.”

The rest: http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/15045-one-of-the-first-iraq-veterans-to-publicly-oppose-war-will-die-for-our-sins
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Read this. All of it. (Original Post) WilliamPitt Mar 2013 OP
i wish I knew what to say.... hlthe2b Mar 2013 #1
That puts life into perspective, doesn't it? Lifelong Protester Mar 2013 #2
It certainly does. senseandsensibility Mar 2013 #70
. riverwalker Mar 2013 #3
Don't forget. He will die for George W. Bush. He will die for Dick Cheney. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #89
Eloquent and simple erronis Mar 2013 #104
Words are pitifully inadequate cbrer Mar 2013 #4
Did any of those 3 wars you're a veteran of have any purpose? Why did you enlist? Curious. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #80
"Purpose" is an entirely subjective term cbrer Mar 2013 #83
So it was desperation and being ployed with girls, that's about the only way they get xtraxritical Mar 2013 #99
No cbrer Mar 2013 #101
All because of that fucking UNNECESSARY war!!!! Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #5
Be Truthful donnasgirl Mar 2013 #58
First off, it's "bawling", not "balling". Secondly, there are different levels of guilt TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #64
Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #65
LOL. I've seen ya on other threads. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #66
Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #67
Truly remarkable... Where is MIRT? n/t BeHereNow Mar 2013 #71
Don't know--but a particularly nasty one here. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #72
How sweet Donna is.....NOT HangOnKids Mar 2013 #95
Oh I believe Satan has a special place in hell reserved for the BFEE. Initech Mar 2013 #77
The one's he will die for? Those politicians, those war profiteers Autumn Mar 2013 #6
Don't let this thread sink October Mar 2013 #7
This is why my number one issue is the war(s )"First do no harm" panader0 Mar 2013 #8
K/R Solly Mack Mar 2013 #9
Aaaah, shit. 11 Bravo Mar 2013 #10
+1 glinda Mar 2013 #20
Yes, what you said. babylonsister Mar 2013 #31
Yes! Thank you for Duval Mar 2013 #57
K&R idwiyo Mar 2013 #11
... progressoid Mar 2013 #12
He is one of the many victims of George Bush's War. May they all somehow rest in peace. nt. OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #13
and complicity from erronis Mar 2013 #105
There are no words. brer cat Mar 2013 #14
Powerful piece... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #15
Fuuuuuuuuuck! whatchamacallit Mar 2013 #16
You Took The Words & Tears Out Of My Mouth HangOnKids Mar 2013 #21
Another beautiful young man Milliesmom Mar 2013 #17
As a veteran of the war in Iraq, this war is deeply personal to me Victor_c3 Mar 2013 #18
No need to go there, Victor. You witness to your own experience; that is enough. Hekate Mar 2013 #26
Thanks to you and everyone who replied to me Victor_c3 Mar 2013 #90
Dude, we understand if it's too hard for you. Go have a bath, relax....you don't have to respond. Evoman Mar 2013 #33
You joined for the right reasons: babylonsister Mar 2013 #37
Victor Skittles Mar 2013 #45
I only wish the Chickenhawks had to feel the same pain.... Swede Atlanta Mar 2013 #19
Yup olddots Mar 2013 #23
I know. They caused So. Much. Pain renate Mar 2013 #24
Kick. :/ SalmonChantedEvening Mar 2013 #22
As long as the is a hell I hope that Bush, Cheney and Romney all end up there for sending southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #25
There is probably no hell sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #32
Ooh, yes! babylonsister Mar 2013 #38
I wish we could. Believe me if it were Obama they would have sent them already. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #42
Bush Jr and his Father should be forced to live in a 8 by 10 prison cell npk Mar 2013 #54
This is a brave man. His story is so sad, and Hedges has told it so well. LuckyLib Mar 2013 #27
This is so damned overwhelming. Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #28
There has been a great outpouring of support for Tomas here in Kansas City but we are now at a loss proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #29
. myrna minx Mar 2013 #30
kick! undeterred Mar 2013 #34
Bless Tomas cp Mar 2013 #35
Welcome to DU cp Auntie Bush Mar 2013 #60
You may want DUers to read all of this and I agree. But they should LISTEN to all of this NK kelliekat44 Mar 2013 #36
What a wasted life. My heart goes out to him and his family. Frustratedlady Mar 2013 #39
Too sad malaise Mar 2013 #40
proud2BlibKansan knows this young man; babylonsister Mar 2013 #41
Thank you babylonsister. n/t Duval Mar 2013 #56
... proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #75
I would love to toss the entire "cast" of "Fahrenheit 9/11" in a warzone with no ammo or armor. HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #43
Would That Curses And Incantations Could Visit The Most Vile Evil On The Bush Administration cantbeserious Mar 2013 #44
I can not stop crying, for Tomas Young sheshe2 Mar 2013 #46
Powerful. So sad. MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #47
So very sad. It's heart breaking. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #48
This video is for all those hurt by this war: midnight Mar 2013 #49
Kick alfredo Mar 2013 #50
Tears in my eyes. n/t Paper Roses Mar 2013 #51
+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #52
I remember reading about him previously. Sad how it's ending up for him. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #53
Tax the very wealthy . . . another_liberal Mar 2013 #55
We may be heading for the same kind of needless conflict with NK or Iran if the President allows the kelliekat44 Mar 2013 #59
OK, I read it. All of it. existentialist Mar 2013 #61
Kick pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #62
I hope Tomas finds the peace he is seeking. reteachinwi Mar 2013 #63
Remember---look forward, not back (eye roll) radiclib Mar 2013 #68
God Damn the Neocons and the war profiteers. loudsue Mar 2013 #69
K&R SunSeeker Mar 2013 #73
Will, you really should have added a 5 tissue box alert. BeHereNow Mar 2013 #74
Lost two friends in Vietnam.. Permanut Mar 2013 #76
This is incredibly sad. The dead, the wounded, the mentally destroyed. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #78
Multiply Tomas Young's pain & grief times thousands Martin Eden Mar 2013 #79
.... Duppers Mar 2013 #88
I'm gonna sound pretty callous here Plucketeer Mar 2013 #81
Damn ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #82
Tomas Young was a trained soldier. He voluntarily enlisted to save his country. I have no doubt mountain grammy Mar 2013 #84
I read it. All of it. ReRe Mar 2013 #85
Enough is enough. Cut the big war budget by 50% grahamhgreen Mar 2013 #86
tears are falling. Duppers Mar 2013 #87
Up WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #91
Kick Plucketeer Mar 2013 #92
Incredible. :-( Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #93
So tragic. CrispyQ Mar 2013 #94
Human costs of war were never considered by Bush admin duhneece Mar 2013 #96
To many war = death Smilo Mar 2013 #97
He sacrificed his life for the $3 trillion war for profit. Initech Mar 2013 #98
"$5.00 says there be no outrageous "Terry Shivo" BS about this. Damn farkin' shame. Shame on us, snagglepuss Mar 2013 #100
This is just so sad for him Worried senior Mar 2013 #102
My heart is broken reading about each and every challenge this young man has had to endure. Ninga Mar 2013 #103

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
2. That puts life into perspective, doesn't it?
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:51 PM
Mar 2013

Wow. Powerful piece. We will be paying for this horrible war for a long, long, time. There are a lot of folks out there like him, I reckon.

senseandsensibility

(24,905 posts)
70. It certainly does.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 09:16 PM
Mar 2013

I live a charmed life. I can not bear to think about this young man, but I will, of course. I will think of him for a very long time. I wish his story would be told on the nightly news. Everyone needs to know about this. I don't know what else to say, but I liked your comment.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
3. .
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:51 PM
Mar 2013
Young will die for our sins. He will die for a war that should never have been fought. He will die for the lies of politicians. He will die for war profiteers. He will die for the careers of generals. He will die for a cheerleader press. He will die for a complacent public that made war possible.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
89. Don't forget. He will die for George W. Bush. He will die for Dick Cheney.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:00 AM
Mar 2013

He will die for Paul Wolfowitz. He will die for them and their friends.

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
4. Words are pitifully inadequate
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:58 PM
Mar 2013

To address the horrors of war that this mans suffering expose. His personal struggles, after the destructive force of the war that America illegally and ruinously waged on Iraq, will now be dealt with.

He can exert just so much will in his own life. His response, though sad and final, seems quite sane to me. In an environment of insanity, thrust upon him by the nation he chose to serve.

As a veteran of 3 wars now, I can sense the level of reasoning he's reached. As a human, it's with profound sadness that I witness the results of the horror that America has inflicted on the world.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
80. Did any of those 3 wars you're a veteran of have any purpose? Why did you enlist? Curious.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:06 PM
Mar 2013
 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
83. "Purpose" is an entirely subjective term
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:27 PM
Mar 2013

That can mean anything from "Saving the world", to "Saving your buddies".

At 18, when I was a young badass desirous of tuition money and aware of the "babe-magnet" qualities (in some eyes) of the uniform, and lacking any cogent political awareness, I joined up.

A few (ahem) years later, the only "purpose" I'm aware of has been enforcing political decisions, whether true or false, and maintaining a healthy level of technical expertise in the MIC.

War never goes away for many people such as this young man. The loneliness, desperation, true terror, and psychological mind-fuck that occurs for that "purpose" transcends borders, races, or social strata.

To say that war is hell is to say that Adolf Hitler wasn't a nice person.

Tears welled while reading this young mans story, as they do now. I've left, loved, and lost much. And if it weren't for the sheer dumb luck of not being there when it happened, it could EASILY be me. The faces never leave me.

If it weren't for the true love of my family...

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
99. So it was desperation and being ployed with girls, that's about the only way they get
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 01:50 PM
Mar 2013

anybody to enlist. How heroic.

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
101. No
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:36 PM
Mar 2013

I was neither desperate, nor ployed. It was simply my path. We all exist in American society. No one is living in a vacuum.

Teens like sex. I wanted school money.

Between enticements, and the MSM, lots of middle and lower class kids end up in the military.

There are some good reasons to fight. Some on the national level. Because of the last 4 debacles, many people view war as always wrong. That's not the case.

Although you're certainly correct to imply that many people in the military are falsely portrayed as heroes. The other side of that coin is that MANY Americans perform heroic acts that are never witnessed. They have a profound positive effect on how Americans are viewed by the locals of the nations we invade. It's impossible to compensate for the net negative effect of the MIC on our victims.

But there are many (really) Americans who are heroic in terms of going beyond expectations, and/or putting themselves unnecessarily at risk simply to have a positive impact on whatever operation they're a member of.

It's way more complicated than a discussion in a forum can cover the scope of.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
5. All because of that fucking UNNECESSARY war!!!!
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:58 PM
Mar 2013

If there's a hell, I hope the neocons rot there for this....

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
58. Be Truthful
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:29 PM
Mar 2013

In the Senate, 37 of 49 Democrats voted on May 24 to support the measure to go to war,everybody wake up dam it they are all at fault.I sit here balling like a baby because of this kid,and the only thing i read is people pointing the finger at who's fault it is (it's the friggin politicians who did it (all of them).

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
64. First off, it's "bawling", not "balling". Secondly, there are different levels of guilt
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:55 PM
Mar 2013

in this debacle. There's voting for the IWR (some Dems), and then there's inventing the reasons for war to begin with (pretty much the entire Bush administration). And then there's prosecuting it badly (Bush administration) and then there's escalation in 2007 (yep, Bush again). I've had it up to my eyeballs with "both sides did it!" Democrats failed to exercise good judgment, but they weren't the murderous greedy fucks the Republicans were. Don't even try this shit here, sister.

Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #64)

Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #66)

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
95. How sweet Donna is.....NOT
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 11:36 AM
Mar 2013

And served on a jury too. The requirements for jury duty need a big fucking alteration.

Autumn

(48,952 posts)
6. The one's he will die for? Those politicians, those war profiteers
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:06 PM
Mar 2013

those generals taking care of their careers, the lying cheerleader press. They will do it again and again. No one will ever hold them
accountable, they will retain power and the President and the Congress and the Senate will cover for them , praise them and pretend
that they did nothing wrong and appoint them to higher positions. Thousands more will die and be ignored by our government. But
that's okay, we won't hold Bush, and Obama accountable for the crimes and the cover up.

October

(3,363 posts)
7. Don't let this thread sink
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:07 PM
Mar 2013

<snip>

"Young will die for our sins. He will die for a war that should never have been fought. He will die for the lies of politicians. He will die for war profiteers. He will die for the careers of generals. He will die for a cheerleader press. He will die for a complacent public that made war possible. He bore all this upon his body. He was crucified. And there are hundreds of thousands of other crucified bodies like his in Baghdad and Kandahar and Peshawar and Walter Reed medical center. Mangled bodies and corpses, broken dreams, unending grief, betrayal, corporate profit, these are the true products of war. Tomas Young is the face of war they do not want you to see."

panader0

(25,816 posts)
8. This is why my number one issue is the war(s )"First do no harm"
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:10 PM
Mar 2013

Tomas Young deserves a lot more. And on top of all the innumerable harm done to our soldiers, there has been much more damage done to the Iraqis and the Afghanis. Oh my goodness, how can we, as a country, worry about our piddly-assed problems when the outrage of illegal and immoral wars continue?

11 Bravo

(24,308 posts)
10. Aaaah, shit.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:22 PM
Mar 2013

Thanks for this, Will, even though it left me with equal parts simmering rage and boundless sorrow.

erronis

(23,815 posts)
105. and complicity from
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:11 PM
Mar 2013

The MIC, politicians of every ilk, MSM, and us plebes that don't know how to exercise rational thinking.

 

Milliesmom

(493 posts)
17. Another beautiful young man
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:45 PM
Mar 2013

we are losing thanks to Bush and Cheney...........................

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
18. As a veteran of the war in Iraq, this war is deeply personal to me
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:46 PM
Mar 2013

Unfortunately I don't have the time or energy to devote to reading the entire article at the moment. Reading and subsequently writing about my feelings of the war completely wear me out.

I say this a lot, but at some point I need to get over myself and the war. However, that being said, the pain that some of us who have served over there have endured should bear on the minds of those who ever supported that war.

I joined the Army in 1997 to be a part of an organization that bettered humanity. Perhaps I fell for too much of the propaganda as a child, but I joined with the purest of intentions. Instead, I found myself with blood all over my hands for a war that had nothing to do with what I was brought up and told to believe were the values of our country and our military. Looking back at my service and my actions, I feel mostly shame for what I did in our country's name.

Again, I can't read that entire article right now and reply to it meaningfully. However, I will when after I sober up a little bit and my kids and wife are asleep.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
26. No need to go there, Victor. You witness to your own experience; that is enough.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:06 PM
Mar 2013

I hope you are at least peer-counseling with a vets' group.

For what it's worth, during the Bush years I hung out with the local chapter of Vets for Peace -- I'm a lifelong civilian, but after being with them at peace marches they invited me in. I did a lot of liaison work between them and other groups. Long story short, they are the finest bunch of people I was ever blessed to work with. All ages and all wars from WW II on were represented. They served, they did their job, they survived, and they knew they would be there to welcome you and your cohort in when you are ready.

Think it over. Just find someone. My generation lost too many in the Vietnam War and afterwards....

Take care of yourself,

Hekate

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
90. Thanks to you and everyone who replied to me
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:35 AM
Mar 2013

I get myself wrapped up unnecessarily in negative thoughts sometimes. I know better, but sometimes I can't resist.

I've actually almost joined Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against War several times. I completed the online application, but I just couldn't bring myself to click the "submit" button for whatever reason.

I have two daughters aged 2 and 4. I don't think that she has any idea or concept that people could kill each other or what war is. I want her to keep that part of her innocence as long as possible. However, when they both get old enough and start to get exposed to such things, I want to bring them into the fold. I want to ensure that neither of them grow up with the misconception that there is glory to be had in war and that armies are a tool of good.

As far as the counseling thing, I'm thoroughly integrated into my local VA hospital. I go to regular appointments and I've received a lot of help from them over the last couple of years.

The DU community has been very welcoming and supportive of me. When reading the replies of people like you and others to my various ramblings, I feel grateful. It is probably part of my PTSD issues, but the sense of alienation and isolation that I've felt since leaving the Army almost 6 years ago isn't something I feel on this online community.

I often don't know what to say and I feel uncomfortable showing my emotions, but thank you to you and everyone else for reading my posts and taking the time to write thoughtful replies!

There are some great people on here!

Evoman

(8,040 posts)
33. Dude, we understand if it's too hard for you. Go have a bath, relax....you don't have to respond.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:21 PM
Mar 2013

If it's too rough for you, don't do it. We understand how shitty the war was. Just rest.

babylonsister

(172,746 posts)
37. You joined for the right reasons:
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:25 PM
Mar 2013

please don't beat yourself up about that. Don't feel shame, either. You served your country honorably, and now you can tell the truth as you see it. That would be cathartic maybe.

But the fault lies with politicians, not with you.

Skittles

(171,620 posts)
45. Victor
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:50 PM
Mar 2013

you'll never truly "get over yourself and the war"; you can only deal with it the best way you know how and you sound like someone who has great insight and self-reflection, which is always the best start.......stay with us and when you write, post on DU please

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
19. I only wish the Chickenhawks had to feel the same pain....
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:48 PM
Mar 2013

I could only wish the Shrub, Darth Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, McInsane and the whole GOP crew could feel 1/10 of the pain this young man has.

They couldn't handle it, even McInsane. They are cowards who hide behind "daddy's coattails" to avoid any meaningful service.

Fuck them, fuck them all. This young man didn't need to have this kind of life.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
23. Yup
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:56 PM
Mar 2013

The war merchants are the true parasites .What makes it worse is they feel nothing and believe they are gods .

renate

(13,776 posts)
24. I know. They caused So. Much. Pain
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:58 PM
Mar 2013

And it was all unnecessary. Hundreds of thousands of people dead and suffering terribly and it didn't have to happen. It was just something they wanted to do. All those lives destroyed, all those families mourning, all that agony and fear and misery, all orchestrated by people in suits in their clean offices in Washington a million miles away from the pain they caused.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
25. As long as the is a hell I hope that Bush, Cheney and Romney all end up there for sending
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:59 PM
Mar 2013

our innocent soldiers to their deaths in Iraq. They are nothing more then murders just like OBL was to the innocent Iraq civilian citizens. It will be a stain on our country. It's time we start sending P. Bush and the age of group of politicans kids off to war before they send ours.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
32. There is probably no hell
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:21 PM
Mar 2013

to send them to later. We should create one for them in the here and now.

npk

(3,701 posts)
54. Bush Jr and his Father should be forced to live in a 8 by 10 prison cell
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:17 PM
Mar 2013

They should each be placed in the cell together, and when one of them dies, remove the body and let the other one remain until the other one is dead. Let them be consumed by their thoughts for the rest of their days. They should never be heard from or spoken to ever again. Let them die alone and with no help or aid, and only then would it be a start in the Justice process both of them so terribly deserve.

LuckyLib

(7,052 posts)
27. This is a brave man. His story is so sad, and Hedges has told it so well.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:11 PM
Mar 2013

"Mangled bodies and corpses, broken dreams, unending grief, betrayal, corporate profit, these are the true products of war."

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
28. This is so damned overwhelming.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:12 PM
Mar 2013

I feel so much right now. I am sorry for his suffering. I am angry that he had to go through this. I wish we could have stopped this from happening.


proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
29. There has been a great outpouring of support for Tomas here in Kansas City but we are now at a loss
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:13 PM
Mar 2013

We don't know what to do.

Our hearts are breaking.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
36. You may want DUers to read all of this and I agree. But they should LISTEN to all of this NK
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:25 PM
Mar 2013
http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2&prgDate=03-11-2013

Trying to get the discussion part that lays out why the NK think and act the way they do and how if the US wants other nations to stop the nukes and claims to the right of preemptive strikes than the US and its allies must do the same. The US really needs to play by the same rules they others to follow. It was an interesting and thoughtful conversation. If the leader of NK is treated like a head of state then the thinking is (by the guest journalist) he will act like one. If he is treated as a rogue than he will like one.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
39. What a wasted life. My heart goes out to him and his family.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:26 PM
Mar 2013

Our military brags about all the powerful machinery/weaponry we have, but the Iraqi's probably did more or as much damage with their darned suicide bombers and IEDs.

I weep for those vets who came home missing limbs, sight, minds...unbelievable conditions. We go on with our lives, but they fight for survival the rest of their lives.

All for money in the pockets of many who never served. Surely, we can learn to set our priorities...one being the end of wars forever more.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
43. I would love to toss the entire "cast" of "Fahrenheit 9/11" in a warzone with no ammo or armor.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:31 PM
Mar 2013

"YOU made this mess, YOU clean it up!"



We're going to be paying for this occupation for the rest of our lives, and all they got was away with it.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
44. Would That Curses And Incantations Could Visit The Most Vile Evil On The Bush Administration
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:35 PM
Mar 2013

Still, it would not be enough evil for W and his minions to suffer.

sheshe2

(97,485 posts)
46. I can not stop crying, for Tomas Young
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:57 PM
Mar 2013

and for all the men and women that fought in this stupid senseless war!

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
47. Powerful. So sad.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:59 PM
Mar 2013

It's a sickness we visit upon ourselves. And there are thousands more in the same predicament.

Awful.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
52. +1000
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:17 PM
Mar 2013

This is so tragic. The poor man, his life was destroyed by people who will never know the pain of war and just continue to send more people into senseless wars, seeing them as nothing more than cannon fodder.

I wish there could be justice.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
53. I remember reading about him previously. Sad how it's ending up for him.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:17 PM
Mar 2013

I wish him peace and comfort.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
55. Tax the very wealthy . . .
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:19 PM
Mar 2013

Tax the very wealthy and fund cutting edge medical research which could still save many of these young men. Only the government can or will do it, and the money should be paid by those who profited most from Bush's wars.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
59. We may be heading for the same kind of needless conflict with NK or Iran if the President allows the
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:33 PM
Mar 2013

chicken hawks to continue with the PNAC agenda. i know I am on this kick, but my friend was on this kick in 2003 and everyone was against her for even mentioning such a thing. And you all know the rest of the rest of the sorry story.... It ends in many stories like this and we all feel badly. But now is the time to let our voices be heard. not after the fact.

existentialist

(2,190 posts)
61. OK, I read it. All of it.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:37 PM
Mar 2013

It didn't change my mind about much.

It informed only in the sense of filling in details--I was aware that there are young men like Tomas Young.

But I am glad I read it.

It's kind of like it is the least I can do.

 

reteachinwi

(579 posts)
63. I hope Tomas finds the peace he is seeking.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:51 PM
Mar 2013

I opposed the Iraq War in the ways I knew how. Protested, spoke with colleagues, family, friends, even my students when they would ask. Some of my former students were killed in the war, a daughter of a high school friend was killed in the war. When I reflect on this I hear Martin Luther King Jr.:
"But it seems that I can hear the God of the universe saying, "even though you've done all of that, I was hungry and you fed me not. I was naked and ye clothed me not. The children of my sons and daughters were in need of economic security, and you didn't provide for them. So you cannot enter the kingdom of greatness." This may well be the indictment on America that says in Memphis to the mayor, to the power structure, "If you do it unto the least of these my brethren, you do it unto me."…"

Permanut

(8,366 posts)
76. Lost two friends in Vietnam..
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:09 PM
Mar 2013

and a third one later to PTSD. And I thought at the time that maybe "we" had learned how pointless, futile and cruel it was to invade a third world country. I was wrong.

 

Paul E Ester

(952 posts)
78. This is incredibly sad. The dead, the wounded, the mentally destroyed.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:21 PM
Mar 2013

A great nation investing in empire and war, will reaps dividends of misery and death.

Martin Eden

(15,589 posts)
79. Multiply Tomas Young's pain & grief times thousands
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:49 PM
Mar 2013

It made me angry enough to compose this nasty poem for GW Bush when he left office:


I’d tell you to go fuck yourself
But that is much too kind
Because if you could perform that feat
You’d take pleasure in your behind

I’d like to say eat shit and die
But you deserve much more
You should suffer all the grief and pain
Of your misbegotten war

Though I can never make you feel
Or think, or understand
I’ll take solace when you hear your name
Cursed throughout the land

From inside a lonely prison cell
Dark and bare and cold
Where every day you pay for your crimes
Till you’re sick, heartbroken, and old

And when you finally leave the earth
You fucked over oh so well
If there is a God and afterlife
You’re going straight to hell.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
81. I'm gonna sound pretty callous here
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:08 PM
Mar 2013

And frankly, I make NO apologies if I sound hard-hearted or uncaring enough. That I seem unable to be sympathetic to some is a result of the non-stop barrage of stories like this young fella's. How much DEEPER can we pound ourselves? How much more grief can we squeeze from our gut? How many boxes of tissues before we start threatening old growth forests? When do we say: That's it! I simply can not digest any more accounts like this without doing myself in!

I could tell you about my time in Vietnam - and some of the unbelievable things I saw there - and I wasn't even wading, chest deep thru rice paddies or leading patrols thru humid, foreboding jungles. War is hell, and then you get to buy stuff made in the country you went to bat for. I now wear denim shorts made in Vietnam, and drive a car made in Korea. I'd buy American if I could afford it - but I can also remind myself how many innocent American kids DIED trying to give those two nations a chance to practice the supposed "freedom" we have here. Which it's not - really.
Unless and until a lowly little dweeb like me has a fair shot at running for public office, we're going to be JUST PAWNS. That's all. Just pawns.
We nod our heads in unison regarding our mutual notion that ALL elections need to be publicly funded - but it never ever even gets out of the starting gate. And I seriously doubt it ever will - at least, not in my lifetime.

I'm worn thin at grieving for those wounded and eliminated on foreign battlegrounds. Sure - they're worthy of being held up as "heros", but what about the thousands of simple citizens blasted away on domestic streets? What about the literal SEIGE we're under, right here in the good ol' USA??? WHEN, I ask, do we recognize the terrorism we live under here? Yet for whatever reason - no one in power will call our situation a terrorist seige. I suspect they're worried at how BAD they'd look if they conceded they can't even keep usw safe here at home.

It's not that I can't feel for young Thomas. It's maybe partly that I envy him bravely exiting the lunacy of our supposed civilizded society on his own terms.

mountain grammy

(29,012 posts)
84. Tomas Young was a trained soldier. He voluntarily enlisted to save his country. I have no doubt
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:58 PM
Mar 2013

he enlisted with pride and patriotism. Soldiers are always at risk, they know this going in, so why do they go in?
During the Vietnam war, not enough men volunteered, so the military drafted what they needed. Few soldiers had to do more than one year in combat, the draft constantly supplied fresh blood.
Currently, our all volunteer soldiers are deployed to combat over and over. No fresh blood. Oh, the draft could be reinstated, but that pesky draft has a way of really firing people up against unnecessary wars. I went to a Mother's Day march for peace in DC in 2005, and there were, maybe, 300 people there. At least a dozen were Iraqi and Vietnam vets.
It's different when it's a professional military. People go to sleep.
My heart aches for young Tomas, and all those dead and broken in this debacle. And we can't even begin to atone for the suffering and terror of the innocent citizens, men, women and children, of the countries we've invaded.
Yeah, we're pro life, all right.

ReRe

(12,189 posts)
85. I read it. All of it.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 01:25 AM
Mar 2013
K&R

And now there's a big boulder-sized heaviness in my chest where my heart is supposed to be. Because I know that there are untold thousands who have suffered and who are now suffering from horrendous war wounds, physically and mentally. How can we call ourselves civilized when we perpetrate needless wars of invasion upon the world? How is it civilized to kill others and ourselves in the process? WWI was supposed to be the war to end all wars, and what it actually turned out to be was the war that started endless war. I'm lighting a candle tonight for Thomas Young and all the other Thomas Youngs in the world.

CrispyQ

(40,945 posts)
94. So tragic.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 11:28 AM
Mar 2013
I am rarely happy. Maybe it is because when I am alone all I have with me are my thoughts, and my mind is a very hazardous place to go. When I am around people I feel as if I have to put on a facade of being the happy little soldier.”


How many shattered lives so a few people could make a ton of money on a war based on lies? And all we do about it is look forward.

duhneece

(4,507 posts)
96. Human costs of war were never considered by Bush admin
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 11:40 AM
Mar 2013

They didn't do so well on assessing the financial costs either, but the lives lost is what breaks my heart, keeps me active.

Smilo

(2,029 posts)
97. To many war = death
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 11:57 AM
Mar 2013

they do not realize how many are like this lovely young man - hurt, broken and left to die.

I have no words for Tomas because they would sound trite - but I hope he and his family know that many, many people love them and wishing for them only the best as they travel this road. I am glad Tomas chose hospice, because the values that hospice has are true and wonderful and he can die with dignity and with love around him.


Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld - you rotten scum - I don't like the world evil, but in this case it applies to them - they brought ruination to America, to our men like Tomas and his family, to Iraq and the thousands there who are discarded and disregarded. Yes these three and those who aided and abetted are truly evil. These war criminals should be brought to justice and not protected and allowed to speak to America as if they are still in power and running an empire.

Initech

(108,693 posts)
98. He sacrificed his life for the $3 trillion war for profit.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 12:21 PM
Mar 2013

Every single of the BFEE should be facing jail for war crimes, not playing golf, painting, or attending pricey functions.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
100. "$5.00 says there be no outrageous "Terry Shivo" BS about this. Damn farkin' shame. Shame on us,
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:23 PM
Mar 2013

shame, shame, shame." - QUOTING comment on Truthdig that nails my sentiments

Worried senior

(1,328 posts)
102. This is just so sad for him
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:56 PM
Mar 2013

and his family.

I do hope there is a place for that administration and those that supported it.

Ninga

(9,012 posts)
103. My heart is broken reading about each and every challenge this young man has had to endure.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:01 PM
Mar 2013

Phil Donahue received the Ohio Citizen's Action, Howard Metzenbaum award for his participation in getting this story to film.

I attended the ceremony, and listened as Donahue told of door, after door, being closed to Tomas Young's story.

HBO along with others, didn't see any appeal in the visuals of wheel chairs and bathroom accidents. Soon the documentary just disappeared.

Donahue pleaded and choked up and inspired the audience to spread the story of Tomas and the true price of war.

Now this. How much torture does one human have to endure over and over and over.....

I am so sad.

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