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Names mean something (Original Post) hedgehog Mar 2013 OP
I'm rather partial to Big Dog BlueJazz Mar 2013 #1
I'm rather partial to timdog44 Mar 2013 #18
Are you trying to say the Pitbulls are evil and dangerous because Drale Mar 2013 #2
And dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #3
And don't even get me started on... pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #4
Quite aside from dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #7
FTW! pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #9
Nice strawman you beat up there. 99Forever Mar 2013 #10
Grits ain't grocerys olddots Mar 2013 #20
Yes, but those are not all the same category Recursion Mar 2013 #5
I think the case can be made that most of those names describe a specific hedgehog Mar 2013 #11
there is no actual breed called a pit bull BainsBane Mar 2013 #6
But the American Staffordshire terrier is not nicknamed hedgehog Mar 2013 #8
Nor is any breed BainsBane Mar 2013 #12
hey we own a Chihuahua ! olddots Mar 2013 #22
that's cool BainsBane Mar 2013 #24
Actually... janlyn Mar 2013 #33
Offtopic in a pitbull thread, the history of the irish wolfhound is pretty interesting. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #13
I think what we call wolf hounds today were rebuilt as a breed in the late 19th century. hedgehog Mar 2013 #14
They look gentle and maybe a little dumb. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #17
The only ones I've ever seen were family pets or hedgehog Mar 2013 #19
what a great beast! datasuspect Mar 2013 #21
I LOVE them BainsBane Mar 2013 #25
Big dogs are neat but I sure don't want pooper scooper duty. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #26
I used to see what I think was an old Irish wolfhound when I walked some of my clients. smokey nj Mar 2013 #28
We had one when I was little, a lovely gentle dog. redqueen Mar 2013 #32
Coronet: A coronet is a small crown consisting of ornaments fixed on a metal ring. snooper2 Mar 2013 #15
Names mean nohthing NOT-hing... German shepherds A.K.A. Alsatians Wolf Dogs HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #16
The tax collector dog - a crazy collection of parent breeds Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #23
German Shepherds are an interesting breed - hedgehog Mar 2013 #29
Names can determine your destiney. Shrike47 Mar 2013 #27
And no matter what job they were originally bred for baldguy Mar 2013 #30
thanks Baldguy janlyn Mar 2013 #35
So a "terrier" should instill terror (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #31
"Fuzzball" sort of works too. talkingmime Mar 2013 #34

Drale

(7,932 posts)
2. Are you trying to say the Pitbulls are evil and dangerous because
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:59 PM
Mar 2013

of their names? Names are important but they can also be misnomers, Guinea Pig's are not Pigs, Sea Lions are not lions, and Hedgehogs neither live in Hedges or are Hogs.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
10. Nice strawman you beat up there.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:59 PM
Mar 2013

Considering the OP said nothing close to what you railed on about.

There is in fact, a reason that there is a breed known as Pit Bulldogs, whether you care to acknowledge it or not. Most have a fairly good idea where that particular name came from, pretending it isn't so, is both dishonest and idiotic.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Yes, but those are not all the same category
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:51 PM
Mar 2013

Some are defined breeds with specific standards. Others are classes of breed. Others are just casual terms for certain kinds of breeds without being specific classes.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
11. I think the case can be made that most of those names describe a specific
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:00 PM
Mar 2013

ability or function for the breed or type of dog.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
6. there is no actual breed called a pit bull
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:53 PM
Mar 2013

That is a vernacular term. The breed typically associated with pit bulls is the American Staffordshire Terrier.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
12. Nor is any breed
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:00 PM
Mar 2013

particularly not the German Shepard, Rotweiler, Doberman, Golden Retriever, etc, and the most irritating of all--the Chihuahua.
Give me a nice calm big dog any day over those little yappy dogs that run around and bark constantly.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
22. hey we own a Chihuahua !
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:49 PM
Mar 2013

don't forget their breath smells ,they shed all over the place and have Napoleon complexes -our other dog is a Jack Daniels terrier ,she is 8 and may mellow out in 15 years .

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
24. that's cool
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:56 PM
Mar 2013

I certainly have no desire to exterminate them like some advocate for the pit bull. I just prefer bigger dogs, and the Napoleon complex is exactly why. I've sure you love your little dog and vice versa, and that's what matters.

janlyn

(735 posts)
33. Actually...
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:34 PM
Mar 2013

My staffie could have been called Oochie-woochie cuddles! A giant baby who LOVED other dogs,kids,and cats!!! was afraid of squirrels crows and thunderstorms!!! The owner MAKES the dog!!! Each breed requires its own differences in how you raise,discipline and love them!!

Have I known some vicious pits??? yes but every single one was either constantly chained,not allowed to socialize or deliberately baited to make them mean by some wimp who thought if he could make his dog mean it increased HIS manhood!!!

 

Paul E Ester

(952 posts)
13. Offtopic in a pitbull thread, the history of the irish wolfhound is pretty interesting.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:13 PM
Mar 2013

Only allowed to be owned by nobility. The subtext to me was they were used as a weapons/tool against the Irish population.

"There are many stories of the bravery and ferocity of the hounds in battle, such as the one fought by Donald Yellowlocks of Ulster to avenge the killing of his son by Fergus of Ireland, in which the Ulster hounds were “with ardour destroying and beheading each warrior”. One bitch sprang into Fergus’s chariot, which was unable to stand the added weight and promptly collapsed, and seized the charioteer by the neck and tore his head from his body. After this, being unable to find Fergus, who had jumped out of the wreck of the chariot, she killed the horses."


hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
14. I think what we call wolf hounds today were rebuilt as a breed in the late 19th century.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:24 PM
Mar 2013

I have never seen them with a wolf, but the ones I have seen seem to be pretty gentle and laid back. It would be interesting to know if they were selected for a friendly temperament.

My guess would be that ownership of the hounds was confined to the nobility as an extension of limited hunting rights. A dog like that could take down a wolf or a deer. My grandfather tended to hunt (poach?) rabbits.

 

Paul E Ester

(952 posts)
17. They look gentle and maybe a little dumb.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:29 PM
Mar 2013

I had to look around to find a ferocious looking picture. Holy cow with ripping heads off in days of yor.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
19. The only ones I've ever seen were family pets or
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:34 PM
Mar 2013

dogs brought out to Irish American events. My grand-uncle's dogs got along well with my aunt's Siamese cats.

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)
28. I used to see what I think was an old Irish wolfhound when I walked some of my clients.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:04 PM
Mar 2013

He was the most mellow dog ever. He just lumbered along the waterfront like a big Muppet dog. One of my clients, a French bulldog named Petey, was completely in awe of him. Petey looked at the wolfhound as if his God just walked by. I haven't seen the wolfhound or his owner in a while. I have the sad feeling he may have crossed the rainbow bridge.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
32. We had one when I was little, a lovely gentle dog.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:34 PM
Mar 2013

Never seen one looking ferocious before. Holy crap.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
15. Coronet: A coronet is a small crown consisting of ornaments fixed on a metal ring.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:27 PM
Mar 2013

Do names really mean anything


HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
16. Names mean nohthing NOT-hing... German shepherds A.K.A. Alsatians Wolf Dogs
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:27 PM
Mar 2013

for decades and then they gave them to Sgt Schultz!

Ja Vol Mien Commandant!

 

Paul E Ester

(952 posts)
23. The tax collector dog - a crazy collection of parent breeds
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:49 PM
Mar 2013
Doberman Pinschers were first bred in the town of Apolda, in the German state of Thuringia around 1890, following the Franco-Prussian War by Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann. Dobermann served in the dangerous role of local tax collector, and ran the Apolda dog pound. With access to dogs of many breeds, he aimed to create a breed that would be ideal for protecting him during his collections. He set out to breed a new type of dog that, in his opinion, would be the perfect combination of strength, speed, endurance, loyalty, intelligence, and ferocity.

The breed is believed to have been created from several different breeds of dogs that had the characteristics that Dobermann was looking for, including the German Pinscher, the Beauceron, the Rottweiler, the Thuringian Sylvan Dog, the Greyhound, the Great Dane, the Weimaraner, the German Shorthaired Pointer, the Manchester Terrier the Old German Shepherd Dog, the American Pit Bull Terrier . The exact ratios of mixing, and even the exact breeds that were used, remain uncertain to this day, although many experts believe that the Doberman Pinscher is a combination of at least four of these breeds. The single exception is the documented crossing with the Greyhound and Manchester Terrier. It is also widely believed that the old German Shepherd gene pool was the single largest contributor to the Doberman breed.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
29. German Shepherds are an interesting breed -
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:05 PM
Mar 2013

I suspect that their temperament varies widely and wildly depending on the particular line. There is actually a line of German shepherds bred from the original Rin -Tin-Tin found on a WWI battlefield -

http://susanorlean.com/books/rin-tin-tin.php

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
27. Names can determine your destiney.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:02 PM
Mar 2013

In my state some years ago, several murders were committed by a young man named Girley Crum.
Can you imagine what elementary school was like for him?

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
30. And no matter what job they were originally bred for
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:19 PM
Mar 2013

they ALL - WITHOUT EXCEPTION - were developed with desire to please their human masters and to live in human society.

German Shepherd dogs were developed to herd sheep, but most people who own GSDs don't herd sheep. They have the dog as a family member & companion. Small Terriers were developed to kill mice & rats, but most people who have small Terriers don't let them chase & kill rats. They have the dog as a family member & companion. Bull Dogs were developed to kill bulls for sport, but most people who have Bull Dogs don't engage in bull-baiting with the dog, they have the dog as a family member & companion.

And most people who have dogs which are descended from the original "pit bulls" don't engage in dog fighting, they have the dog as a family member & companion.

BTW:



Her name is Orchid. It doesn't mean she always smells sweet.

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