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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 05:49 PM Mar 2013

My loyalty to Obama vs the potential Chained CPI, what can or should he expect from us?

It honestly amazes me how long the debate has raged on DU about whether Obama is a genius or a sell out in his various negotiations with Republicans over a slew of potential budget deals. Almost nothing around here has changed it seems. I was upset over the fiscal cliff deal that pushed back sequestation for three months because of how much of the Bush tax cuts were made permanent as a key part of that deal. I also know that there were important things gained in that deal also - like extending unemployment benefits for another year while millions still can't find work.

At the moment it is looking like my biggest concern is proving to be true, that the only chance we had to get significantly more revenues out of Republicans in Congress was to let all of the temporary Bush tax cuts to flat out expire on January 1st, and then work out a deal with Republicans AFTER the public felt that bite, to restore some (but less) of the tax cuts. That automatic expiration was our best and possibly only leverage with the Tea Party crazies who now defacto control the House. Now I think the cost of any deal with Republicans will be deeper cuts in the safety net than we would have to face if we hadn't given up as much bankable revenues as we did during the last negotiations. But since no grand budget deal has yet been reached between the President and Republicans, I may still be proved wrong. BUT THAT IS NOT THE POINT. This is a discussion board for political activists. This is what I posted weeks ago. I think it still holds true now:


Granted, opinions on this board about President Obama’s ongoing role in fiscal talks range from calling him a masterful strategist to a piss poor negotiator. Common sense argues that the truth likely lies somewhere in between. But from our perspective of grassroots democratic activists, it really doesn’t matter. The President has his role to play, and we have ours. Even if Obama is a Ninth Dimension Grand Chess Master, the act of our observing how he plays the game changes the game itself. When we stand on the sidelines and cheer or jeer, we are simultaneously part of that game, no matter how small our individual roles. The position of pawns alters the field of battle.

Call it physics, call it chess, call it politics or the democratic process; not only does the game effect us, we are the frigging game. We’re in the stands, we’re on the field, and we even own the team. My feelings about President Obama, love him or hate him (and I’ll say more about that below), are inconsequential compared to the “games” ultimate outcome. More than any other person in America, the President’s role in determining our future is crucial; such is the power of the office he holds. Like millions of other Americans, I worked hard to put Barack Obama back into that office. Like millions of other Americans I still celebrate his victory. But the election now is over and my role in the game has shifted.

Constitutionally Obama can call on and expect my loyalty as he would of any American citizen, politically though it’s a different matter. As a candidate I made it my duty to help carry Barack Obama over the finish line to victory in November. But the nature of my loyalty is fundamentally different in regards to him as an office holder; it shifts back onto the agenda that Obama represented as my candidate. It does so whether I like him or hate him as an individual, whether I deeply respect or disparage of his political skills. It does so without being personal, personally I wish Obama only well.

What the President needs from me now is simple. When I back him on an issue he needs to world to know, and I’m sure he feels the same way about us all. When he takes a stand, and I support that stand, he deserves and needs my vocal support. He should count on that wind at his back when he leads us where we asked him to head. However Obama no longer needs my help convincing people to make him President. He is President. Now it is about results. How, as activists, do we help achieve the best possible outcomes on issues? Not, I would argue, through loyalty to a man, but rather to a mission. And if that mission wavers, it is right to cry out an alarm. This does not harm Obama, nor does it hurt either his cause or our own, assuming that cause is one and the same.

Because we are in the game even as we observe it, our reactions can affect outcomes. If a squeaky wheel gets the grease than a silent wheel will rust in peace. And that’s how it’s been for liberals for too long. There’s a cliché in politics that pundits love to tell, all of us have heard it. When complaining from the Right equals complaining from the Left, that’s the true place for a compromise. What does our loyalty to Obama, the man, bring him, when our relative passivity only serves to weaken his negotiating hand – if his aim is the same as ours? And in an instance when it may not be, when Obama might welcome a deal that we reject, what interest does our loyalty then serve?

There is no harm in advocating for what we actually believe in, especially when the ball remains in play and the outcome is not yet certain. There is no harm in making an alternate case, when the case that is being made falls short in its dimensions. And there is no harm is seeking more, when less is not close to being enough. They are voices that should be hear regardless of the outcome.

I like Barack Obama, I like him a lot actually. In the realm of national politics I think he’s about as honest as they come. I find him sincere, and I find him compassionate. President Obama has many leadership qualities that I admire, and it often makes me proud to hear him speak on behalf of our nation. Our President is a very intelligent man. When the Left goes off key and begins to sound too strident for mainstream American ears, Obama knows how to play us off against the middle to his benefit. I can’t begrudge him that talent, it makes for effective politics. He knows both how and when to milk the stance: “I’m willing to disappoint some on my own side” to strengthen his overall standing. Obama can take care of himself

But there are times when the Left speaks loudly and eloquently in a language that most Americans understand and respond to immediately. It happens on the topic of income inequality regularly, and it does on defending the most vulnerable among us also. I don’t need to be insulting toward our President to make this observation; he is acclimated toward the status quo. Obama’s orientation is to accommodate powerful existing interests, to grant them choice seats at the table, while working to moderately improve the lives of average Americans.

Sometimes that method reaches the best achievable results, other times it undersells the chance for more significant and beneficial changes. I know this for certain though. The more the Left succeeds in shifting the political center in America away from the Right, the more good work this President will accomplish.

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patrice

(47,992 posts)
1. Everyone should stand for the truth as best as @ one can, but if what calls itself "the Left" throws
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 06:13 PM
Mar 2013

the baby out with the bath-water, and my in reckoning at this point that baby is the PPACA that many of us are trying to secure for all future generations of Americans while also protecting Social Security, some of us will not forget and it's really sad that it's also part of my reckoning that there are others out there, on both/all sides of many issues, who are COUNTING on that possibility.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
2. Those battle scars are still fresh
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 06:31 PM
Mar 2013

The ACA without at least a Public Option is a complex matter. There is much good in it, but I hope you don't expect the Left to stop making the case for Single Payer. I sincerely don't think we will substantially resolve major aspects of the health care crisis in America without moving toward Single Payer, or at least a vastly expanded access into Medicare for all.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
4. One of the main reasons I support PPACA is because it is possible, even within that ACA
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:16 PM
Mar 2013

framework, to create Single Payer state systems and that whole effort creates potential at the federal level for HR 676 Expanded and Improved Medicare for All, linked on the front page here http://www.pnhp.org/ . Another part of that is the PATIENT PROTECTION part of the ACA, one of the main resources for which is linked here http://www.pcori.org/ - a tool for health care consumers, NOT insurance companies, and direct care givers to document what works, i.e. what insurance companies SHOULD be covering. More discussions of that issue here http://medicinesocialjustice.blogspot.com/ - which brings us to one of the government's main motivations for following this course of action, controlling health care costs, while delivering authentic person centered care.

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You know, if this were my forum, I'd have little issue badges that users could arrange along their sig line to give other users a temperature check on who they're talking to. This would be better than the "cults of personality" that you can see on this board. BTW, the first issue badge in my list would be Single Payer/HR 676.

I'm about as Left as it gets, I am not, however from the more authoritarian branch of that family tree and I didn't realize how dominant that strain is, until Steve Gibbs made some somewhat interesting remarks about "PROFESSIONAL Leftists". Usually, people getting PAID to think what they think is not considered a blanket indulgence to credit every political twitch that originates from such a quarter, but not so with "the Left".

All anyone has to do is hang out a "Leftie" shingle, cliques start forming, and god-forbid that anyone should admit that they just might not know what they'd NEED to know in order to pitch their weight behind absolute conclusions that amount to cutting one's nose off to spite someone else's face, even though that someone else actually WANTS you to cut your nose off.

Watching the bullshit going on about Catholics on this board this week: I'm getting tired of it ALL; this crap COULD cost us all so very much, stuff like the right to organize and national health care and a seriously significant "peace" dividend, mass transit, alternative energy development . . . but by god people are going to get their licks in on who/whatever personal whipping boy, self-aggrandizement at all costs, the big picture be darned and when/ if whatever fails, guess who they'll eagerly blame.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
8. I am aware of that Single Payer opening in the bill and happy about that
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:41 PM
Mar 2013

I think Bernie Sanders had a big role in pushing for that if I remember correctly. I think we probably agree a lot on how to best advance a leftist agenda in America. I made an effort with this OP to acknowledge that people of good Democratic will can disagree on many tactical issues while sincerely pursuing similiar positive ends. I may be less cynical than you about the so called "Professional Left", people, even people who make a living doing commentary, can still have sincere convictions - although I agree that some do go for the controversy partially to gain attention. As for religion, I generally count to several hundred before I frontally bash people's religioius beliefs. I will do so rarely, but usually only in extreme cases. There are far less obnoxious ways to disagree with sincere convictions than to broad brush attack an entire religion.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
3. "The truth likely lies somewhere in between."
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 06:50 PM
Mar 2013

That's a fallacy. Truth is not a bubble in a carpenter's level, adjusting itself relative to increases on one side of an issue, and decreases on the other... that's balance, not truth. You don't get truth automatically by adding left to right and dividing by two. If that worked, the issue of equal rights would be solved by starting with "0%" and adding "100%" and settling on 50%

Would anyone settle for only 50% of your civil rights? It's balanced, pragmatic, and just common sense, right?

Nope.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
6. Somewhere in between does not always mean split the difference
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:28 PM
Mar 2013

But I respect the point that you are making. On things like competency and depth of conviction I think the reads that we have on elected Democratic politicians tend to cover a wide spectrum with the truth seldom at one far end or the other of that spectrum, but I will grant you that it is also very rarely dead center between those opposing poles either.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
5. He's a good negotiator. Some just can't accept what his objectives are.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:20 PM
Mar 2013

I think he WANTS ceratin things that folks assume he gets only through incompetence

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