So if you hold a door open for an invisible person in a forest...

[sibelian]

whilst clapping with one hand....

Um, I'm losing the plot here.

[Jackpine Radical]

1. At all depends.

Is the invisible rabbit person female, male, trans, or indeterminate?

[Katashi_itto]

59. Also what type of door is it? Is this discrimination against inanimate objects now too?

The Doors themselves have something to say about this:

[Buzz Clik]

2. I'll help: If you open a nonexistent door in a vast uninhabited forest,

how long will it take for someone at DU to get really, really outraged?

[sibelian]

3. That's offensive to non-existent people.

How can you so casually dismiss the non-daily non-struggles of the beingly challenged?

You need to have a goooooood look at yourself.

[Whisp]

4. you seem to have some of that stuff yourself there, Buzz.

that Outrage.



just sayin'. You make it sound like it's a woman thing.

[seabeyond]

8. actually since these men are creating thread after thread of fabricated outrage, with no feminist

even giving a shit, totally manufactured fight by the men, i would say ALL the outrage is one sided.

look at the poutrage. bottom lip a quiverin'

[Whisp]

9. it must be some kind of outlet, or something.

[WCGreen]

15. A Balzac duet...

[malaise]

23. With or without Honor(e)?

[NaturalHigh]

25. Seriously...

Exactly what are they doing, and where did you get that clip? Is this from a movie or just something you saw on the internets?

[Whisp]

26. From the movie The Big Lebowski, shining their balls - bowling is a big part of that movie.

One of the funniest movies of all time imho. I watch it about twice a year or so.

We even had a 'big lebowski' thing at a movie theatre a couple years ago. We all went in Lebowsky costume - mostly bathrobes and shorts.

You have to know the movie, but I went holding a carton of milk, in the bathrobe, and when I came to the ticket window I pulled out my check book... it took a minute for the teller to start laughing.

Lots and lots of swearing tho - if you don't like that you will Hate the movie.

but true comedy gold. first run is sort of shocking, tho. sort of.

[NaturalHigh]

28. Thanks, I'll check it out.

I've heard friends talk about it, but I've never seen it.

[zappaman]

39. +100

I can count the number of times I've seen this movie!
There's been talk of a sequel...fingers crossed!

[Whisp]

41. a sequel?

ooo, I'm not sure if that makes me happy or sad. I can't think how it can measure up to #1. Sequels tend to fall big flat splat.

I would see it tho, for 100% sure.

[zappaman]

43. What if I told you it focused on The Jesus?

So not exactly a sequel, but more a spinoff?

[opiate69]

48. As long as it`s John Turturro playing him then.. game on!

[zappaman]

49. That's the idea!

And love the avatar!

[opiate69]

51. Sweet! And thanks lol..

Greatest movie ever and most intersting character ever! lol

[zappaman]

52. Yeah

One of these days I gotta make it to a Lebowski fest...

[opiate69]

54. Same here.. I think they have one in Seattle but..

I hate driving up there...

[Whisp]

55. I could see that working, if Tutura takes that on.

nobody but nobody can do Jesus like him.

[zappaman]

57. "He's a pederast, Donny"

[opiate69]

62. "8 year olds, Dude..."

[ChisolmTrailDem]

69. If you open a door in a vast uninhabited forest it is not "uninhabited" because you are there...

opening the door.

[NaturalHigh]

74. Unless I missed it, I don't think the OP mentioned "uninhabited."

The focus was just on opening doors in the forest. For all we know, there are hoards of hobbits rioting there.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

75. I wasn't responding to the OP (sibelian). I was responding to Buzz Clik. You know...

...you have responded to two of my last 7 posts and both times you misinterpreted me and those posts went right over your head. You were also confused both times about who I was responding to. What gives?

[NaturalHigh]

76. Sorry, just an oversight.

Really...nothing personal. What other post did I screw up?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

77. The one about the definition of "clutching at pearls" yesterday. Glad it's

nothing personal. But even if we were best friends I'd wonder what's up, lol.

[NaturalHigh]

79. I'm going to look that up in my posts.

I remember something about "clutching pearls", but there were a few of those. Regardless, like I said, nothing personal. I just wasn't paying close enough attention. Not the first time, I'm afraid.

[NaturalHigh]

5. Then I'm sure you're a bastard for some reason.

Isn't that the general response?

[sibelian]

7. But a benevolent bastard, I hope?

[NaturalHigh]

13. As benevolent as bastards come, I'm sure.

[jazzimov]

58. That's an offensive term to both unwedded mothers

and their offspring.

[NaturalHigh]

63. I don't think it's often used that way any more.

That's not the way I meant it anyway. I have no idea of the OP's parentage.

[JayhawkSD]

6. :-) :-) n/t

[DisgustipatedinCA]

10. Do you mean Benevolent One Handed Clapping?

The distinction is important, you know.

[sibelian]

11. How does one clap benevolently with only one hand?

...when the other hand is "othered"?

[treestar]

12. That was the entire point

to get away from the issue by boiling it down to one relatively irrelevant sample

[sibelian]

32. Yar, Indeed...

... my perpetuation of the perpetuousness is not particularly intended to be seen as anything more than mild flippancy....

[CosmicDustBunny]

14. is he still wrong?

[hatrack]

16. Well, it depends. Is the invisible person heading for Olive Garden?

Is that invisible person heading for Olive Garden with the intention of breast-feeding the baby she holds with one arm, and straining to restrain a pit bull with the other arm?

[NaturalHigh]

17. Mmm...Olive garden.

[gollygee]

18. If you set up and bash a strawman in a forest

does DU rise in outrage and make a ton of ridiculous threads?

[NaturalHigh]

19. Yes, but it's entertaining in some way.

[seabeyond]

20. yes. it is so fuckin entertaining lying about others to dismiss a very real issue of sexism that

women live with daily. we understand you men like to be bullies on the net and "joke" and laugh and play at the expense of women, for your entertainment. and see it as a big ole game. we know sexism. we know misogyny. you men create a world of it for us to live in.

so hearing you acknowledge that this is all a fuckin fun game for you, says about everything, and what DU has been allowed to become.

very hostile toward women.

and FUN for you men.

[NaturalHigh]

21. "You men like to be bullies..."

"We know misogyny. you men create a world of it for us to live in. "

Pretty much explains your point of view right there. I don't think that rational conversation is likely here, so a little bit of fun with the subject seems in order.

[11 Bravo]

34. Shit, sea, I was with you until you got to "you men". Twice.

Are there guys here that talk bullshit, and take obviously sexist cheap shots? Hell yes, and they deserve to be scorned. But can you understand that some men who are totally on board with women's issues might feel insulted by being told that they're pigs simply because they hold the door for a woman? I'm 62 years old, and that's just the way I was raised. At this point it's reflexive. I will admit that I was unfamiliar with the term "benevolent sexism" until reading about it here recently. But I have to ask, and I would honestly value your opinion, is it really as pernicious and harmful as I have heard claimed here?
Again, I'm a man, and I understand that I have no business telling women what they should find important. But, I also consider myself a feminist (despite being told that I cannot possibly be any such thing), and I tend to focus my energy and passion on issues such as equal pay for equal work and reproductive freedom. Does that make me one of "you men"?
Tell me, and I'm asking sincerely, in your opinion am I completely off-base, semi-clueless, a valued ally in the continuing struggle for equality, or something else?

[seabeyond]

81. holding teh door, pulling out a chair, ect.... is the least and easy to understand

when giving an example of benevolent sexism.

the "you" men were the same men i was addressing repeatedly as they pretend this is about something that it is not. i do not recall seeing you in a single thread, let alone many playing a fuckin game with this.

i gave examples and a definition per a posters request. that was all.

opening a door, or pulling out a chair, or allowing women to go first are merely examples of how this is about separating women from all. special in whatever way. needing protection or help. it allows a cultural mind think that women need to be cared for. which means it can lead to the belief that women are not capable or as capable.

example, and others have been givin' when it truly harms. a man to tread women as special adn must be protected because of manners learned does not allow her to work late because he does not want her to walk in the parking lot alone. yet, the men do. the women that must be coddled doesnt get on hands and knees, crawl under the desk to plug the stuff in like the other tech guys. there is always one to jump in and do it for her. the two employees standing there and the man is given the shovel to take care of septic tank cause it is not really "womens" work, even though all considerate of the womens delicacy she is the one whose job will be effected.

that is all it is. sexism we have learned thru manners and niceness effecting sexism, reinforcing sexism as a whole.

all i did was give examples and a definition. no woman was outraged about a man holding a door and we all said we were not. no woman said she would say anything but thank you if a man held the door for any of us.

how you want to take my info, per the questions at the end of your post is up to you. i do not have specific answers. that is not my place.

[NaturalHigh]

86. "It allows a cultural mind think that women need to be cared for..."

Oh the humanity. I never knew we shouldn't care for women. From now on, I'm only going to care for men, cats, dogs, and squirrels.

[sibelian]

22. That's offensive to straw men!

How could you?

[NaturalHigh]

24. When will we begin to respect strawmen?

[libodem]

27. When that strawman grows a beard

Standing in front of the damned door just waiting for someone to open it.

I remember Dr Laura, saying she'd stand there all day if she had to, rather than open her own door.

Hope Hell freezes over soon.

[NaturalHigh]

29. Thanks for the laugh.

I'm still not sure how beared strawmen, Dr. Laura, and hell freezing over all come together at the same time, but funny thoughts arise.

[libodem]

36. Wild leaps

Over the synaptic junctions, and hope like heck it connects at the end.

Thanks for taking a leap with me.

[KansDem]

30. I once dated a woman who not only expected me to open the car door for her to get in

But when we arrived at our destination, she expected me to open the door for her to get out. That meant I had to climb out of the car and walk around to open her door. I felt like I was her chauffeur!

We only went out a few times.

[libodem]

35. That's how my father did it

I was so used to opening doors for myself I'd forget to wait. But he was 6'6" and he could stride around the back of a car in about three long steps. He was trained to be a gentleman.

I never was much of a lady. I was liberated in the 70's.

[SpartanDem]

45. IT'S STRAWPEOPLE!!

[NaturalHigh]

66. Dang, you nailed that one.

I used the unfortunate strawmen term myself. Sorry about that.

[olddots]

68. is the forrest near an Olive Garden with rotating doors ?

[NaturalHigh]

72. The Olive Gardens around here don't have rotating doors.

Seriously, they don't. After this weekend, I'll have to search my soul before I hold the door for anyone.

[Vinnie From Indy]

31. What kind of forest?

Cheers!

[Nye Bevan]

33. DOWN WITH BENEVOLENCE. THIS IS IMPORTANT. nt

[libodem]

37. Dammit

I was gunna say that!

[arely staircase]

67. not since the battle against empathy has there been a more sinister foe. eom

[NaturalHigh]

38. It's Sunday afternoon...

and door wars are still going.

[sibelian]

44. Starting to get a handle on it all now.

....

[NaturalHigh]

46. Are you sure about that?

I've seen some crazy stuff today. I even received a stern reply or two.

[sibelian]

82. Arg...! "HANDLE!"

Jokey jokey! Punny punny! Hinty Hinty!



I'm obviously shit at this...

I tried something similar earlier:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022522222

Hingey hingey! Descends (or ascends, depending on how you look at it) into earnestness. Bah.

Anyway, I cannot see the complexity. It's a stupid example of something real that occludes the important examples of the real thing by being easily confused with something that isn't about the real thing... Bah and double bah!

[NaturalHigh]

84. Double bah even?

I'm obviously shit at this...

Yeah, me too.

[arely staircase]

40. not plausible

doors in the forest? have you lost your mind?

[NaturalHigh]

42. Oh they are there.

How else would you get into the forest? It's not like there are chimneys to access.

[flamingdem]

47. Long live the Celtic faires of the forest who refuse to have doors much less hold them!

Ghàidhlig beò!!

[NaturalHigh]

50. Ghàidhlig beò indeed.

[tularetom]

53. Be sure to watch out for Catholic bears

And the pope taking a dump.

[NaturalHigh]

56. What does any of this have to do with disgruntled goats?

[tularetom]

64. Actually we once had a disgruntled goat

He was pissed off because he was penned up so one day when our granddaughter left the gate unlatched he got out and snarfed down half our veggie garden. We wound up giving him to our neighbor where he lived a long and happy life as a lawn mower. She would tie him up in the yard and let him munch the grass.

[NaturalHigh]

65. We had a goat for twelve years.

He didn't eat much grass, though. He was fond of cattle feed, potato chips, and microwave popcorn. He also occasionally bit the flowers off my mom's plants. He got in the house several times too. You haven't experienced awkward until you've tried to get a fully-grown Boer goat out of a house.

[libodem]

60. You KNOW

Those bears are shitting in those funny hats, right. This is a magical forest. Where DID you think asshats were constructed?

[Kalidurga]

61. How do you know it's not an alien android?

Well I guess if it is it is definitely better to hold the door open lest the alien android gets po'd and blasts the thing to smithereens.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

70. ...Ellen James would get her tongue back. n/t

[msanthrope]

71. One of my favorite books, ever. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

73. I love John Irving

The Cider House Rules, A Prayer for Owen Meany, and Garp are among my favorite books in any genre.

[Newest Reality]

78. Mu! - nt

[doc03]

80. What in the f--- has brought on all these stupid posts

about holding doors open the last couple days?

[SpartanDem]

83. This

In unrelated thread someone asked about benevolent sexism and holding doors was sited as an example. Which set off a chain of replies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022511124#post16

Which then prompted this thread and it went down hill from there.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022511684

[NaturalHigh]

85. It started in a thread about sexist men liking big boobs.

Then someone said that holding a door open for women is benevolent sexism. It snowballed.