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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPlease sign petition-tell asia to stop boiling dogs alive
http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-cooking-live-animalsPuzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)that tortures and consumes our greatest animal partner.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Look at the way they're treated and killed in this country in factory farms. Plenty of people signing this petition probably think nothing of eating factory-farmed bacon.
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)animals are treated horribly in this country. Agree with your post
tabasco
(22,974 posts)save human lives on a regular basis, and work to protect people's livestock and property.
Pigs are stupid as fuck.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)but they are smart. Very, very smart.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)"Here's the dirt on pigs: They are perhaps the smartest, cleanest domestic animals known - more so than cats and dogs, according to some experts. But pigs don't have sweat glands, so they roll around in the mud to stay cool. A sign of their cleverness came from experiments in the 1990s. Pigs were trained to move a cursor on a video screen with their snouts and used the cursor to distinguish between scribbles they knew and those they were seeing for the first time. They learned the task as quickly as chimpanzees."
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24628983/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.UUUz11fa6m0
So you want to justify the cruel torture and killing of some intelligent animals because you enjoy eating them, while excluding other intelligent animals because you enjoy their company. You're going to need another rationale (unless you don't care if you're the world's biggest hypocrite), because pigs are every bit as intelligent as traditional companion animals.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)In other words, pigs are smarter than dogs.
"They're very curious, and they'll charge off on their own," said John Webster, a professor at the University of Bristol in England. "They will investigate the world with their noses down and batter through like a small boy."
New research shows that chickens can be taught to run the thermostat of the chicken coop, and that even the lowly cow has a surprising inner life.
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pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)And for tricks that are vain,
The heathen Chinee is peculiar,
Which the same I would rise to explain.
From the The Overland Monthly Magazine
by Bret Harte 1870
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)alone one being boiled.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)but I've never ever heard of this boiled alive stuff. And I spent over a year there.
On edit:
While the one picture posted on the site certainly looks like this charge is true, one picture without any backing evidence is not sufficient to prove the point.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)& apparently able to jump out of the supposed cooking pot (not chained or stunned).
i know chinese eat dogs as well, but i doubt chinese boil dogs alive either.
the poster here, however, has changed "china and korea" to "asia".
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)...using "China cooking dogs alive"...you're not going to like what you see.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)i've seen such pictures. in no case have i seen any picture which supported the narrative of "cooking dogs alive" that couldn't be questioned for various reasons.
Have you been to china?
Have you been to korea?
I've also seen pictures alleging koreans eat babies, or boil their skin to make medicine. People on DU believed that, too.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)...you're welcome to believe whatever you want to believe.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)i've lived in japan. japan is part of asia. they don't boil dogs alive, and they don't eat dogs.
i have friends who've lived in both korea and china for years. if live dog-boiling was a common custom, i believe they would have mentioned it.
i also frequent expat chatboards. there are lots of americans working and living in both countries. i do not see anyone describing live dog-boiling.
"asia" = 60% of the world's population. the OP made the choice to use that word rather than "china & korea," the only countries mentioned in the original.
i'll believe my own experience and the experience of people i know & trust, not random crap from the internet.
there are lots of internet petitions out there. most don't seem too terribly effective, and some are scams to collect personal information.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)...I sense from your most recent response you haven't been to China or Korea, although you apparently wanted me to believe that you had.
Just curious, but have any of your friends who lived in China or Korea traveled into the real backwaters, places most Americans aren't welcome, and places you won't see on tourist brochures? I'm willing to guess they haven't, and wouldn't go if they had a chance.
I also have my sources...people who went places and did things 99% of all Americans will never see or do.
Again, you're welcome to believe anything you want to believe if that makes you happy.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)have, however, been to 'asia', and lived there for some time.
if you'd been to china or korea you'd have said so.
yeah, right, your friends have been to those hidden places in china and korea where they boil dogs alive. the places so special ordinary people can't visit them.
what a bunch of horsepuckey.
life long demo
(1,113 posts)No! No! No! No! No! No! As someone wrote already, WTF is wrong with people.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I know, it's different when we do it.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Peter cotton
(380 posts)All seeing a lobster being boiled does is make me want to eat more lobster.
Then again, just waking up makes me want to eat more lobster, so that's not a high bar to cross.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)i held the door open for it.
Peter cotton
(380 posts)I give up, (insert noun of your choice)-ist!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)Yeah right, that'll work.
LancetChick
(272 posts)Please stop skinning raccoon dogs alive.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)are not fake fur. It's real fur, from dogs that were skinned alive in China. Thanks for reminding me, LancetChick.
Go ahead and watch a video of dogs skinned alive. I did.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)1. dogs being transported in cages to a food processing plant.
2. raccoon-dogs (which aren't dogs, but canids in the same family as dogs, foxes, jackals, etc) being electrocuted and bludgeoned, followed by a shot of one hanging from a hook skinned.
3. bodies of skinned things.
There is no purpose in skinning things alive and in fact it makes the skinning process more difficult. Which is why it's not done, even by those sub-human and inscrutable chinese and koreans.
LancetChick
(272 posts)http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2001/jun/10/foodanddrink.features6
Ok, it's late Saturday night, and I'm not entirely sober, but I remember an interesting article from Fuschia Dunlop, a legitimate British food blogger, who lived in China and wrote about her experiences from a food perspective. Chinese cruelty to animals plays a small, but interesting part in her point of view as someone whose interest is almost entirely food-oriented, not politically, morally or culturally oriented. This is an interesting read, I think.
I remember watching a Japanese Iron Chef show in which eels were featured. Wow. I saw them nailed to the counter, cut, and placed, wriggling vigorously, under the broiler. Cruelty exists wherever nature does, and is exemplified where humanity exists. In American and European cultures it's kept under wraps, to a great extent, but it's open in some Asian cultures. And that blinds people to its effect. (Yes, so does hiding it, I'm adding in an edit).
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)is misleading.
yes, human cruelty abounds, but i'm not talking about human cruelty, i'm talking about boiling and skinning live dogs.
LancetChick
(272 posts)I didn't take the time to post just the video, so you'll have to find it before you click on it. It has all the bells and whistles, including struggling while the skin is cut off, and raw red bones. I believe this is a raccoon "dog". I couldn't watch the whole thing. I won't ever watch another video of animal torture again.
http://digitaljournal.com/article/291483
kattycat
(32 posts)humans are fucked up
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)not a country.
ruffburr
(1,190 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)oh my goodness!!!!!
There's so many sigs on that facebook page!
I'm not going to boil this dog. I ate my last bowl of sharkfin soup.
I will not buy that ivory sculpture.
My flaccid penis will not get tiger penis supplements.
Yeah. Believe that.
dorkulon
(5,116 posts)Quoth the entire Western animal rights movement.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)work to protect livestock and property, assist blind and handicapped persons and lift people from depression with their unconditional love.
Sure, dogs are just like other animals.
dorkulon
(5,116 posts)But they're no smarter or more precious than pigs.
I'll say it again.
People eating dogs is no worse than people eating pigs.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)LOL, Amurikans are funny...a'cause their stoopid!
Quantess
(27,630 posts)the easy part
and disregard the truth that dogs and cats are skinned alive for their fur in china.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)They should be killed first in my opinion.
But it doesn't hold a candle to blowing humans up alive -something the US does every single week, multiple times, for the last decade.
Where is the outrage?
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Very nasty, very gross, very cruel.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)doing so.
where is this place where cats and dogs are skinned alive for their fur?
do they sell the garments made from the fur in stores?
or are we talking about 'deliverance' type chinese living up in the far mountain ranges where only very very special people like the other poster's friends can go? skinning live cats and dogs to make their rustic garments?
this thread stinks of racism and stupidity.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)boiled alive here.
the picture on the still does not show a dog being skinned alive, it shows a skinned dog.
not the same thing, you know.
i looked at the other video that you posted to bonobo.
1. no dogs in the video.
2. the animals in that video, which appear to be raccoons and "raccoon dogs" (which aren't dogs) are electrocuted and/or bludgeoned before skinning; they aren't skinned or boiled alive.
there is no advantage to boiling mammals alive or skinning them alive, and some disadvantage. that's why people don't do it. the intent of the electrocution/bludgeoning is to kill or stun. it may not always be 100% effective, but there's no intent to skin alive.
it's the same way we did & do in the US with meat animals and leather/fur.
only people who believed chinese are more cruel than other people would believe such things.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)processing plant.
Response to HiPointDem (Reply #53)
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)and husbandry?
Seriously?
This would be like Saudi citizens signing a petition on the rights of women in the US.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Don't even get me started on chickens.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)Most of us have heard it all before.
What do you think of skinning creatures alive for their fur? Great, huh.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'd guess about 20% of my animal protein comes from animals I didn't hunt. But I'm a weird foodie hipster.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)That was not my point at all.
I asked directly, what do you think of dogs and cats and raccoons being skinned alive for their fur? This happens in China, so that we in the western world can wear it on our clothes.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)figure out why that's the case.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)one...bullet?
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Humans are sick.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,789 posts)Signed.