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http://www.gofundme.com/SaveFurthur Yep, the Electric Kool Aid Acid test bus. The museums all want the real bus. The Smithsonian did not accept a new bus when Ken drove it out there in some type of re-creation of the famous trip (Ha ha ha) of 1964. I got what Ken said about the bus only being a symbol and that if you wanted to, you could be on your own bus. The bus was larger than all that and picked up passengers all over the globe. So I would have been happy to see the new bus (Which is cool as shit) but the curators want the real stuff."The bus come by and I got on, that's when it all began. Cowboy Neal at the Wheel the bus to never never land"...... Donate and lets see if this can happen.
.Probably at no time in history has the avatars of a new something been all together in one place and that was on that bus.AT THE SAME TIME IN THE UNIVERSE AND THAT WAS on the bus in sAN FRANCISCO IN THE EARLY 60'S. bY THE TIME THE BUS MADE IT ACROSS THE COUNTRY EVERYONE WOULD AT LEAST GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO RIDE... Leary, Kesey, Ram Dass, Larry McMurtrey (Who is now married to Kesey's widow Faye) , Wavy gravy, Mountain Girl, Emmit Grogan, Stewart Brand, all of the SF musicians and the Beatles, the Hells Angels and the Diggers. Hog farmers and rainbow people.
A lot of us rode the bus without ever being on it. ...we knew what could happen inside the bus. i read The Electric Kool Aid Acid test when i was in jail in Tahoe for stealing 57 cents worth of baloney late summer of 73, right after Graduation. I was going to see Stoneground at the Rock and Roll Palace in North Shore and was hungry. no shoes too..... 10 days. I read that book about ten times and every time I know that I was on that bus. As a kid going to show I never saw the bus it was before my time, but I knew how we got to there....
Living in this area as I have and being int he psychedelic scene around here, it is pretty amazing. More people do LSD and psychedelics than ever before. And we have some of the best events int he world as well. Burningman is a continuation of that . Create your own reality and be part of the creative class. that's all connected and what the Pranksters were onto. they were smart and got much smarter and were pioneers..
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Melon_Lord
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Webster Green
(13,905 posts)Oh, Grasshopper....
Read 'The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test' by Tom Wolfe. 
Lochloosa
(16,733 posts)
Maybe history will repeat itself...that would be a great thing
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)maybe you should like, blow your mind and stuff ...
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)how many of those did you drop?
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Melon_Lord
(105 posts)Webster Green
(13,905 posts)I attended a fun event in Stockton, CA (early '90s ?), where Kesey and some Pranksters showed up with the replacement bus. Paul Krasner was there, as well as a bunch of other radicals. I got Kesey and Ken Babbs to sign a copy of Acid Test for me.
Supposedly they were embarking on a cross country journey in the bus, but I read afterwards that they didn't actually do that.
A worthy undertaking IMO. The bus is part of history.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Where they told him "no thanks". I've been in the new bus and hung out with Zane a number of times, Cool guy. Sells blotter art and marbled buses. www.key=Z.com.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)as I knew it to be. http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19901102&slug=1101869 Interesting.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)I remember ordering it way back when and they offered it on a ship first, pay later basis; I thought this was way cool.
Anyways, all the sleeves to the VHS cassettes were handpainted. On the inside is a thumbprint of paint, with ' KESEY ' scrawled across the center of it...
I'd love to see this preserved in a manner that would serve a proper tribute to these pranksters.
I hope something good becomes of this.
Thanks for the post, BB!
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Good find!
PufPuf23
(9,852 posts)I never knew Faye Kesey married Larry McMurtry until this thread.
Psychodelic ethnogenic drugs should be legal and free.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)"We estimate that it will take several million dollars to restore the bus, pictured above, to it's original splendor by a team of artists,"
I know a thing or two about restoring old cars, I do it as a hobby. It doesn't take several million dollars to restore any but the most high end vehicle. This ain't a high end vehicle, this is a 1939 International Harvester bus. While not as common or popular as Model T's, you should be able to find OEM or rebuilt parts for this bus fairly easily. Without looking at the bus in person, it's hard to say exactly how much it would cost, but $50,000 seems like a doable figure. Certainly not "several million dollars".
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)So they can see what it is going to take. Nobody is even going to look at it or do the research needed without up front money.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Don't believe me, go to your own link. I quoted it for you in my post above, but you don't seem to believe me, so here, I'll quote it for you again, "We estimate that it will take several million dollars to restore the bus, pictured above, to it's original splendor by a team of artists, automotive restorers and other experts."
So again, why are they stating it is going to take several million?
A serious car restorer will, like any other professional, come out and do an estimate of the costs of restoring the vehicle to OEM specs. The only other estimate needed is to restore it what it was like during the run. That can easily be accomplished by consulting and interviewing those who were actually on the bus, and who knew what modifications were made to the bus. Hell, with just a brief perusal of the web you can come up with a fairly complete idea of what the exterior looked like.
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That's just a simple web search, these people have access to the records of the Kesey family, all that film and photography, not to mention interviews with those who were on the bus. Research shouldn't be difficult, nor that expensive, certainly not "several million dollars." The modifications made to the bus shouldn't be that expensive. What looks to be the most expensive piece is the plexiglass bomber canopy, which looks like it comes off a B-17. A bit tough to get ahold of, but there are B-17 afficianados out there and the parts can be found. It's not like you're looking for the right wing off the original Wright Flyer.
So let's be outrageously generous in estimates here. Fifty thousand for restoring the bus to OEM status, another fifty thousand for research for a year(and this is where we're being really generous, because a decent researcher, especially with prior connections to the Kesey family and circle of friends should be able to accomplish this is a few months, six at most), and another fifty thousand to modify the bus to the state it was during the big trip(and that's mostly dependent on the price of that canopy, who knows, they may still have the original one). Total, one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
So again I ask, why is the site that you linked to stating, "We estimate that it will take several million dollars to restore the bus, pictured above, to it's original splendor by a team of artists, automotive restorers and other experts"?
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Seriously, I mean that. Nobody knows what it is going to take right now. And the fund now is only to raise 10K to find out how much, precisely it is going to take. None of us are restorers. So nobody involved in the project is a restorations specialist so nobody know what it is going to take to restore it and 10K I think could make that happen.
And it has to be transported to a restoration expert.
Some of the parts are on the new bus.(the bubble I think and the windshield dealy)
I am going to pass along your info and comments as well, you seem like you know what you are talking about and I personally would love to see the word millions off that site myself, because this part of the project will only be used to see how much the final restoration will be.
And if you would like to restore it then even better. I prefer to have an open bidding process.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)and they have amended the page. See we wanna do this democratically and input is what we are looking for.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)But I will give you some basics to consider when prepping to get Furthur restored.
First of all, I'm assuming the engine is still in the bus. Go out, remove all the spark plugs. Once you have that done, go to the front of the engine, grab the fan and try to turn it. If it turns, that is great news, it means that your engine hasn't rusted up and frozen, which means the engine portion of your restoration is going to be relatively easy. If you can't turn the fan, go to your nearest hardware or auto parts store and pick up several bottles of Liquid Wrench or other high quality penetrating oil. Squirt that oil down the spark plug hole, just drown them. Do this for a few days in a row. Then try to turn the fan again. If it still won't turn, then your engine has been seriously rusted and you're restoration is going to be more difficult since you will need to get some major engine parts, if not an entirely new engine(which actually might be the cheaper option, but that's up to you, depending on how much money you raise and how original you want to keep the bus).
Now, on the body side of the restoration, go through and inspect every inch of metal. The sides, the roof, the wheel wells, and especially the frame(the big I beams on the bottom). Push and prod each inch. If the metal is rusted and bends easily, or you actually poke your finger through it, that piece of metal is worthless and will have to be replaced(do not, whatever you do, give into the temptation to use Bondo or other such filler products). If the piece of metal is rusty, but doesn't bend or break under inspection, good news, it is just surface rust and all that needs to be done is sandblasting and painting or chroming.
Now, you want to get the bus back to its original condition. There are, believe it or not, people out there who collect automobile literature, pictures, promo pamphlets, and probably most importantly for you, shop manuals. You absolutely need a shop manual for that bus. Shop manuals have all the specifications you are going to need to restore the bus, point gap, spark gap, etc. etc. It is essential that you have one these for the restoration. Old photos, pamphlets, etc. will help you visualize what the bus originally looked like.
This is where you need to start networking. There are a couple of clubs out there that you need to get next to. First is your regional IH Collectors Club, http://www.ihcc14.org/index.cfm. The second is the IH Truck Club, http://oldihc.wordpress.com/. These contacts are invaluable, because they are the ones that can lead you to the literature, parts and experts you need to undertake this restoration. Get ahold of these folks and get to know them. They will probably be thrilled to be part of the restoration of such a historic vehicle.
Also, get yourself a subscription to Hemmings Motor News. They don't call it the bible of old car collecting for nothing. It has a large directory of people who sell parts, literature, and their restoration expertise for virtually every make and model of vehicle ever built. http://www.hemmings.com/
Finally, get to know, and go through, every backwoods junk yard within a three hundred mile radius. Not the slick commercial operations, the salvage yards that sell parts over the counter. I'm talking about the ones that cover acres and acres, where you go in and pull the part off yourself. Go through these junkyards and see if you can't find another '39 IH bus to use for spare parts. Or advertise through Hemmings and see if somebody has one. A parts car is always a good thing to have on hand.
Rubber. Everything rubber or paper is going to have to be replaced, gaskets, door seals, tires, anything and everything. Electrical, bite the bullet and buy an entirely new wiring harness for the bus because by this time the old one is shot(old wires had cloth insulation if you can believe it). Again, check in Hemmings, there are businesses that do nothing but custom make wiring harnesses for all sorts of vehicles.
When you are going to transport the vehicle, do so on a flatbed truck, don't tow it. Towing a car puts stress on it, and while cars that are in decent shape can take that stress, we don't know what shape the bus is in, and would hate for the back axle to fall off in transit. Since you're dealing with a large vehicle here, talk to the folks who tow eighteen wheelers and other such big vehicles.
What else, shop around and get the best upholstery guy you can find. If the bus is like other vehicles of that era, you're going to have a lot of dash parts, and other parts, not to mention the bumpers, that you're going to have to get chromed. Take off all the stuff that was attached up top, save it for later, but that will make it easier to restore. Be careful when you are handling the wheels, they are probably split rims, and have a tendency to blow apart if you bang on them or drop them hard. When you do the final, funky, groovy paint job, put at least three coats of clear coat over it, just for protection. There's probably more, but I'm ill and need sleep now.
If you have other questions on this, or need some help, please PM me. Good luck.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)really, thanks a ton. I know a lot of parts from 1 are on two as well. The inside is a question mark because all the seats had been removed or reconfigured. Was ever evolving so that will be very difficult to create. t'was more of a hippie abode than a school bus. the outside job is that as well, it never ended and people paint on it all the time. Same with the new bus, it changes constantly.
you information is invaluable and I know everyone appreciates it like you would not believe. thanks.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)
kas125
(2,483 posts)safe and in the hands of Kesey's kids and who is this Jason Johnson??
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)It's looking just a little funky after sitting in Kesey's place in Oregon for many years. The money is to restore it.
Kesey's kids are involved. It's explained at the link provided. Not sure who Jason Johnson is, but are you assuming he is pulling some sort of hustle?
JPZenger
(6,819 posts)It was maybe about 10 years ago. I remember them saying that the Smithsonian wanted it, but Kesey refused, and was just letting it rust out in the open.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Webster Green
(13,905 posts)Hoo-boy! I love the first few shots of the strip back then. I used to frequent those clubs in '66. The 'Trip' club had Taj Mahal & The Rising Sons (with Ry Cooder) as the house band for awhile. So awesome! Saw The Young Rascals at The Whiskey, The Byrds at Ciro's.
Man, those were the days!
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I was there during the punk era. The 60s look they were a blast. The Birds, the Doors, Buffalo Springfield...
Berlum
(7,044 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)to go to a Doobie Brothers concert at the Sac memorial. (lee Michaels and Elvin Bishop)My friend John Quilty was late and my parents never missed Dragnet and that was the night that episode aired. It was all i could do to keep it together. good thing m trip that night was just beginning.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Paul E Ester
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I’d never been drunk on beer, you know, let alone done any drugs. But this is the American government. They said, come in here. We’ve just discovered this new spot of space, and we want somebody to go up there and look it over, and we don’t want to do it. We want to hire you students. And I was one of 140 or so that eventually turned out. It was CIA-sponsored.
I didn’t believe it for a long time. Well, Allen Ginsberg says, you know who was paying for that? It was the CIA. I said aw, no Allen, you’re just paranoid. But he finally got all the darn records, and it did turn out the CIA was doing this. And it wasn’t being done to try to cure insane people, which is what we thought. It was being done to try to make people insane – to weaken people, and to be able to put them under the control of interrogators.
We didn’t find this out for 20 years. And by that time the government had said OK, stop that experiment. All these guinea pigs that we’ve sent up there into outer space, bring them back down and don’t ever let them go back in there again because we don’t like the look in their eyes. Listen/read more
http://blindflaneur.com/2011/08/18/flashbacks-ken-kesey’s-cia-sponsored-acid-trip/
The further bus was a continuation of MK-Ultra waging a psychological war on the american population. It happened right after they had studied the effects of LSD, dosing customers of prostitutes in San Francisco and studying it's effects. By sending LSD into the wild the CIA accomplished the task of stopping the militant left and anti-war movements as they turned to introspection and "dropped out". Dropping out they left the political system to the right who made the laws and leaving the bankers to their own devices.
What we don't know is were Kesey, Ginsberg, Leary and FBI informant Jerome Garcia witting or unwitting participants in this program.
"Create your own reality" or engage politically and dominate and change the system.
While you were out on tour, the corporations and the banks were robbing your house blind.
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)You are obviously tripping on something, that's for sure.
OMG! Is this post for real, or are you just fucking with our heads?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Webster Green
(13,905 posts)Are you sure you directed your post to the right place?
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)Hello?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)that possibly the diffusion of drugs into the counter-culture was deliberate.
vietnam ended in 1975 and by then the student movement was pretty well dead.
The biggest anti-vietnam protest was in 1969.
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)The CIA did not introduce LSD into the counter-culture to confuse or stop it. LSD got out of their control and they weren't real happy about it. I was eating the stuff when it was still legal. I know exactly how it all went down.
I can assure you that The Dead were not part of some CIA plot. I had the good fortune to tour with them doing stage lighting. I did the Acid Tests. They were not sponsored by the CIA.
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)I was at the acid tests and I was also at ALL the major Viet Nam war protests beginning with the Oct '67 'Confront The Warmakers' protest at the Pentagon.
What do your dates have to do with anything?
Like I said: We dropped out, then we dropped back in.
got it?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)*you* did.
the largest antiwar protest of the era occurred in 1969.
the war ended in 1975. the student movement was already dead (ending the draft in 1973 was a big part of the reason) and students were the backbone of the anti-war movement, so the antiwar movement was moribund.
i was a student during that era; your bullying language and pretense to authority doesn't move me in the least.
got it?
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)I've used no bullying language. I will claim to be somewhat of an authority on LSD though.
I'm still not getting how these dates you are providing do anything to prove your theory that the Dead were in the CIA and all that other crap. I was at huge anti war rallies in the 70s as well.
Are you saying the protests had nothing to do with ending the war?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)codiscussant, as a jailer to a prisoner, as a boss to an inferior.
i have no theory whatsoever about the grateful dead. that's what you are reading into my posts.
what i do have is a general suspicion that the standard narrative about the 60s is not entirely truthful. in particular, the narrative that says that drug culture was a spontaneous development.
the protests had *something* to do with the ending of the war, but they didn't end the war.
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)I mean, really.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)i'm not a shrinking violet; i prefer to just note my recognition of the verbal tactic being used.
sometimes i am pleasantly surprised and people say 'sorry'.
olddots
(10,237 posts)" Leary was a CIA op " my favorite = Chuck Barris from the Gong Show was a CIA hit man ( theres a weird movie made about it that has to be a goof. The times were completely at odds with reality much like now .
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)kas125
(2,483 posts)I've read some crazy stuff in my day, but that beats everything, lol.
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)Of course, I'm aware of MK-Ultra, and the CIA involvement in the beginning, but the rest of the stuff posted is just insane.
kas125
(2,483 posts)that Jerry could ever be part of it is laughable, at best. Ugh.
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)The hookers in SF or Jerome the informant.
Or the rape of your country while you were out on tour...
which one didn't occur?
NYT 1993
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jdyf333/4553187257/sizes/l/in/photostream/
"according to an FBI document dated November 1968, the agency was concerned with the "merger of violent leftist groups with elements of the hippies and drug culture notably the Yippes and rock groups such as MC5 "
"The FBI used Garcia to "channel youth dissent and rebellion into more benighn and non threatening directions."
Twirling on the sidelines, while the machine marched on.
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)Dude, everyone knows about MK-Ultra and the CIA stuff. That was early on. There was a transition thanks to Leary & Kesey.
Trust me, the CIA were no longer in the picture. The shit was out of control as far as any authorities were concerned. They were scared shitless, not willing participants.
You are posting a lot of speculation and conspiracy theory bullshit.
Now, the CIA and Olliver fucking North introducing crack into LA, much later. That's there is for real.
You just need a better BS filter.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)intelligence services are always involved in drug scenes, in one way or another.
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)Totally and completely. So it officially ended in 1973? Who cares?
Really, you kinda had to be there.
Don't believe everything you read on the Interwebs.
HiPointDem
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except what they tell me and what I might be able to discern or speculate about based entirely on my personal experience.
MKUltra ended in 1973 and it's relevant because most of the documentation of the program was destroyed before anyone from the public got to look at it, so we don't know most of what they were doing all that time.
Your claim that drug programs were confined to the early years and somehow the cia lost control is just your claim. You don't know what happened, and being in the antiwar movement and dropping acid during the era doesn't make you an authority on mkultra or the ultimate origins of the drug scene, or us intelligence services. Nor does being a roadie.
Intelligence services have been shown to have some involvement in the distribution of every widely-abused illegal drug there is, from acid to coke to heroin, and the forefathers of the founding fathers of the us intelligence services made their bones dealing opium.
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)This is all well documented.
Here is quote from Eldridge Clever regarding the late Dr. Leary
http://www.counterpunch.org/1999/10/18/cia-shrinks-lsd/
Your logic is:
CIA gets LSD from Sandoz including formula
CIA runs tests on prisoner and student populations and Johns.
MK-ULtra stops, spooks retire.
CIA loses top secret LSD formula to hippies.
Hippies change the world.
Peace and prosperity for everyone.
Which one of us has an incredulous conspiracy theory?
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)You put a lot of words in my mouth there.
I'll just stand by my previous statements, rather than try to defend absurd oversimplifications of what you thought I said.
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)Webster Green
(13,905 posts)Worked a few of their shows.
You?
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)There ain't a thing in the world that they can do.
Ya know, the Motor City is burning people,
There ain't a thing that white society can do.
Ma home town burning down to the ground,
Worser than Vietnam.
Let me tell you how it started now ...
It started on 12th & Clairmount that morning.
It made the pig cops all jump & shout,
Ah said, it started on 12th & Clairmount that morning,
It made the pigs in the street freak out.
The fire wagons kept comin', baby,
But the black Panther snipers wouldn't let them put it out, wouldn't let them put it out, wouldn't let them put it out.
Guitar solo "get it on ... "
Well, there were fire bombs bursting all around, people, Ya know there were soldiers standing everywhere.
I said there was fire bombs bursting all around me, baby, Ya know there was National Guard everywhere.
Ah can hear my people screaming.
Sirens fill the air, fill the air, fill the air.
Guitar solo
Your mama papa don't know what the trouble is . ..
You see, they don't know what it's all about.
Ah said, your mama papa don't know what the trouble is, baby, they just can't see what it's all about.
Read the news, read the newspapers, baby?
You just get out there in the street and check it out!
Guitar solo
Ah said, the Motor City is burning, people,
I ain't hanging round to fight it out.
Ah said, the Motor City is burning, people,
Just not hang around to fight it out.
Well, I'm taking my wife and my people and ???
Well, just before I go, baby, ???? ,
Firemans on the street, people all around,
Now, I guess it's true,
I'd just like to strike a match for freedom myself,
I may be a white boy, but I can be bad, too.
Yes, it's true now, yes, it's true now.
Guitars, end
"Let it all burn! Let it all burn!"
These guys must have scared the shit out of J. Edgar, enough to make Jerome Garcia an FBI informant.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Very much at the forefront of open confrontation back then.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Webster Green
(13,905 posts)Later, experiments were being done at Harvard (Leary) and Stanford (Kesey). Those experiments were focused on the use of LSD as therapy.
Of course Leary & Kesey both found out how amazing acid was and spread the word. Thanks guys!
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Webster Green
(13,905 posts)Jerry was a CIA agent.
Nighty-night. 
HiPointDem
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acid were witting or unwitting dupes of larger forces.
and the truth is, we can't.
For example, Billy Hitchcock (part of the extended Mellon family) came from a long line of bankers, military personnel and intelligence operatives. He was Tim Leary's landlord at Millbrook & financed the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, who at one point distributed/sold most of the LSD in the US, as well as a couple of manufacturing labs.
Just a rich kid having a lark?
We don't know. all we know is he did no jail time and continued being rich.
kas125
(2,483 posts)I can do is laugh. I know the government is nuts and controlling whenever and wherever they can be, but, wow, this is just too much.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Mind control is a tool used in many ways and can be directed at anyone. Hallucinogens (note spelling) is a narrow and subjective delimiter relative to mind control projects. All psychoactive (a more objective and broader classification) and related bioactive compounds were of interest, singly and in combinations. Various applications of this mostly-secret black ops and overt chemical warfare toolkit range from covertly controlling people and ratfucking political enemies to population control (drug choice manipulations) or causing entire populations to become coma-like for an extended period of time (BZ).
kattycat
(32 posts)Where she says that she got all the lights and strobes for the acid tests from Stanford Research Institute. It's on hulu or vimeo or something.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)is called "Acid Dreams." It's very interesting and very well researched and documented.
http://www.levity.com/aciddreams/
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)Thanks for the recommendation.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)My post from another board on Sat Nov 26, 2011 06:18 PM
I met the coolest, weridest, most fascinating guy today. In my hometown too and I have never met him even though he has lived there since the 70's.. Random thing, walking on the bridge and we start talking and he is telling me some tales, let me tell ya.
Told me he went to Berkeley and then worked for CIA and made 8 million doses. Said the CIA dosed an entire town in France. Talked about Owsley ("Owsley made his with love" and that is why people didn't freak out, he said) etc. And how the CIA conducted all these mind, LSD experiments. Very detailed stuff.
Then he told me about "Project paper Clip" http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/OperationPaperclip.html
And that blew my mind.
Really looking fr war to meeting this guy again.
And i ve been to his house now and he is in fact a Berkeley professor/chemist guy. Lotta diplomas and certifications hanging onn his wall. Hippie through and through. Libertarian kind of liberal. He tells very very detailed stories.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)My favorite kesey Moments:
For bill graham who died the day before.Perhaps the funniest thing in the history of LSD freakouts!
Neal ON THE BUS:
With Mason Williams, "Shall We gather at the river" HILARIOUS but you gotta listen closely......
And here's a documentary that I found: And it is excellent.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Jeff Johnson
12 hours ago
During the filming of "Cuckoo's Nest" in Salem I was the Broiler Chef at The Hindquarter restaurant on Commercial and Court. One night Michael Douglas and Louise Lasser had the table right in front of my open broiler. Douglas eating a NY and Lasser dining on stuffed trout...she kept returning it to be cooked some more...The third time it came back I was getting steamed and up walked Ken, a krazy grin stretched across his face, I will remember his words forever..."Jeff, that teriyaki sauce is the best I have ever had...and don't worry about her, she's a bitch to everyone! Go smoke one and shake it off!" Everytime I visit the plant and go into the office to pick up my bills, there is Ken, in the bus, watching over everybody! Thanks for the opportunity...
panader0
(25,816 posts)I'm rereading Ann Charters great bio of Kerouac at the moment.
I got to see Kesey a few times when I lived in Oregon, a smart guy.
My oldest friend's sister was a hippie in the Haight Ashbury in the day and remembers getting loaded on the bus.
Those were some times. Ah, and the Fillmore.... I saw the Dead, Santana (before their first album), Jethro Tull, CCR,
It's a Beautiful Day, Paul Butterfield and many more there.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)My favorite is 10-21-78 the smokingest T.O.O. ever. http://stash.nugs.net/attics/frames.asp?page=781021.asp?artist=1&show=293&cmd=shows
From Mojo Working on is my favorite set ever. The Stella is an all timer too.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Quick, how many hands do you see waving?
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)we are kicking some ass right now. 3,400 as of right now. Good for three days effort....
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Bout halfway there.....
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Got only 500 plus to reach the goal. Thanks to allt he contributed and all of you who offered advice and help. Awesome