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TheMightyFavog

(13,770 posts)
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 03:49 PM Mar 2013

Wisconsin lawmaker seeks to restrict what can be bought with food stamps

http://www.fox11online.com//dpp/news/local/fox_cities/wis-lawmaker-wants-healthier-use-of-food-aid

MADISON, Wis. (AP) - A Wisconsin state lawmaker wants food stamp users to eat healthier -- whether they want to or not.

Rep. Dean Kaufert, a Republican from Neenah, would cut the use of food stamps on junk food. In other words, for people in FoodShare, the state's nutrition assistance program, it's out with the Cheetos, Coca-Cola and Suzy Qs and in with the leafy produce.

"The system is being abused," Kaufert said. "Some people are not spending their benefits wisely."

It's an idea that's been tried before with no success. States aren't allowed to set their own definitions of what's "healthy," or "junk," and Kaufert's bill doesn't actually name any products or food groups. The state also can't change what FoodShare covers without a waiver from the federal government.


So, how does one define "healthy food," and how will they keep up with all the new food products that get introduced every day?
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Wisconsin lawmaker seeks to restrict what can be bought with food stamps (Original Post) TheMightyFavog Mar 2013 OP
Soda is not healthy. That one is easy. dkf Mar 2013 #1
small government, my ass! williesgirl Mar 2013 #2
They want a small, but very Strict Nanny in control of the state. HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #21
It amazes me how republicans don't want government in our business yet they love getting in our southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #30
Doesn't surprise me a bit. HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #36
you bet and to think they think their are good christains. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #44
Can you buy infant formula with food stamps? HockeyMom Mar 2013 #3
God, don't give them any ideas. Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #34
Yes,they should be able to buy it with food stamps HockeyMom Mar 2013 #50
Usually people have WIC for formula Marrah_G Mar 2013 #42
Idaho's has restrictions. Lionessa Mar 2013 #4
Candy but no roasted chicken? narnian60 Mar 2013 #41
I buy prepared from from the deli frequently Ilsa Mar 2013 #49
Well, here shortly I've have to switch to CA food stamps. Hopefully they make more sense. Lionessa Mar 2013 #57
I'm not necessarily opposed to this. Viking12 Mar 2013 #5
Here are the current USDA guidelines.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #10
Thanks for that link Viking12 Mar 2013 #12
"...administratively costly and burdensome." customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #15
well many states, such as Missouri and Nebraska hfojvt Mar 2013 #18
You never pay sales tax when using food stamps CBGLuthier Mar 2013 #51
I understand that Food stamps are now on a debt card, no different from any other card. CK_John Mar 2013 #6
Yep....debit card that gets reloaded every month. But you can't buy prohibited items.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #20
Pot... CurtEastPoint Mar 2013 #7
ugh! how many chins?? ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #38
Do as I say ....not as I do ! lunasun Mar 2013 #52
This! HappyMe Mar 2013 #59
There's something we have to be careful with gollygee Mar 2013 #8
There are plenty of people on this website who would do the same thing. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #9
Feels at times like a majority would. It's sad. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #16
But at the same time.. madmom Mar 2013 #11
Here's an idea customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #13
I just love me some poor laws. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #14
Step 1. Ruin economy. Step 2, Control people now that they are poor, step 3 The Straight Story Mar 2013 #17
Step 4- this is not a rich/poor issue. Like cigarettes, the proof is there, it's time to sacrifice graham4anything Mar 2013 #28
If you want to live in a society where you are more controlled The Straight Story Mar 2013 #45
Actually, I think North Korea would be akin to the NRA/Cigarette/Drakes companies graham4anything Mar 2013 #46
They think Michelle Obama's cause for healthier eating is policing activity... Initech Mar 2013 #19
I am reminded of this post: snacker Mar 2013 #22
Buying a cake mix would be much cheaper YarnAddict Mar 2013 #58
I get so sick of this kind of thing treestar Mar 2013 #23
This would not only harm the poor it would also harm small businesses Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #24
The definition of "food" SoCalDem Mar 2013 #25
Michigan still hands out foodstuffs... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #33
I would like to see a restriction on what the rich can buy with their money. LiberalFighter Mar 2013 #26
As "public servants" Newest Reality Mar 2013 #27
+1!!!!! forestpath Mar 2013 #31
yes, he can explain again how "offensive" FLOTUS' "let's move" program is, as well ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #37
Good god, they're so oblivious. nt Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #40
Can I borrow this to put in a letter to Rep Kaufert to hopefully enlighten him to his hypocrisy? Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #39
This goes hand in hand with drug testing. People should be free to buy whatever food they want! forestpath Mar 2013 #29
call Mayor Bloomberg! No sodas for you! ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #32
I wish my rep, Rep Kaufert would eat shit. That's really what he deserves. n/t Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #35
Bloomie has disciples everywhere ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #43
are some of the people on this thread doing sarcasm ? olddots Mar 2013 #47
In California, you can buy food Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #48
Nestles, Kraft, Unilever and Pepsi are not going to be shut out by this guy's grandstanding KurtNYC Mar 2013 #53
Know why people buy "junk"? Scootaloo Mar 2013 #54
Right on. nt Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #55
And that was how this leftist grew up. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #56
when rebulicans can regulate the poor they will.... Evasporque Mar 2013 #60
 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
30. It amazes me how republicans don't want government in our business yet they love getting in our
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 08:07 PM
Mar 2013

business.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
36. Doesn't surprise me a bit.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 08:15 PM
Mar 2013

I've seen this called for repeatedly during my life.

Giving people a leg to stand on is threatening to people who make their way by cutting others off at the knees.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
3. Can you buy infant formula with food stamps?
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 03:53 PM
Mar 2013

You could argue that breastfeeding an infant is healthier, and cheaper. Why stop with adult food?

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
34. God, don't give them any ideas.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 08:11 PM
Mar 2013

On a serious note, HIV and other disease is spread through breast milk. So, while breast feeding is often preferable, it isn't always efficacious. I would hate it if poor mothers lost the option of purchasing formula if they desire/need it.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
50. Yes,they should be able to buy it with food stamps
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 09:12 AM
Mar 2013

exactly for the reasons, and more, that you stated. I heard a whole ago that Mayor Bloomberg and his health brigade was trying to ban buying formula with food stamps.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
4. Idaho's has restrictions.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 04:03 PM
Mar 2013

Can't buy energy drinks, alcoholic drinks, or anything hot like from the deli. I can however buy all the candy and soda pop I want, fortunately I don't want candy or soda pop or e-drinks, or a-drinks. However it does bother me I can't buy a roasted chicken or a any other hot prepared dish at the supermarket. I think that part is entirely unfair since many homeless would need ready food since they likely have no way to cook or heat food.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
49. I buy prepared from from the deli frequently
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 05:02 AM
Mar 2013

when they do a good job on it. Sometimes it's a lot cheaper, too, to buy the roasted rotisserie chicken than cook one yourself. The lawmakers need to revisit some of their rules.

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
5. I'm not necessarily opposed to this.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 04:09 PM
Mar 2013

We already have nutritional requirement for other programs like WIC and school lunches. Extending the requirements to SNAP wouldn't be a huge stretch. I'm sure it's not as simple as that, but in principle not necessarily a bad thing.

BTW: Kaufert used to be my assembly-person until I was gerrymandered into a Dem district. Of note that he also voted against Walker's attack on public unions.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
10. Here are the current USDA guidelines....
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 04:41 PM
Mar 2013
SNAP

“Junk Food” & Luxury Items

The Food and Nutrition Act of 2008 (the Act) defines eligible food as any food or food product for home consumption and also includes seeds and plants which produce food for consumption by SNAP households. The Act precludes the following items from being purchased with SNAP benefits: alcoholic beverages, tobacco products, hot food and any food sold for on-premises consumption. Nonfood items such as pet foods, soaps, paper products, medicines and vitamins, household supplies, grooming items, and cosmetics, also are ineligible for purchase with SNAP benefits.

Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items

Seafood, steak, and bakery cakes are also food items and are therefore eligible items


Since the current definition of food is a specific part of the Act, any change to this definition would require action by a member of Congress. Several times in the history of SNAP, Congress had considered placing limits on the types of food that could be purchased with program benefits. However, they concluded that designating foods as luxury or non-nutritious would be administratively costly and burdensome.


Now read the following link:

IMPLICATIONS OF RESTRICTING THE USE OF FOOD STAMP BENEFITS - SUMMARY

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
12. Thanks for that link
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 05:11 PM
Mar 2013

As I acknowledged, it is not a simple issue. The implications in the USDA document make sense.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
15. "...administratively costly and burdensome."
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 05:56 PM
Mar 2013

In an age of scanning technology in everything from the smallest markets to the most voluminous mega-supermarkets, I don't think that's true anymore.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
18. well many states, such as Missouri and Nebraska
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 06:15 PM
Mar 2013

have either "no sales taxes on food" or (for Missouri) "lower sales taxes on food". However, in Missouri the "lower sales taxes on food" does not apply to items like soda pop. I am not sure about Nebraska. But, in theory, SNAP could follow that rule in every state that wishes to make such a distinction. If an item is sales tax free, then it qualifies. If not, then it doesn't.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
51. You never pay sales tax when using food stamps
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 09:28 AM
Mar 2013

The food stamp program does not allow for the paying of sales taxes on any item.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
6. I understand that Food stamps are now on a debt card, no different from any other card.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 04:14 PM
Mar 2013

They should pass a law making supermarket chains service every neighborhood and maybe people could then buy healthy food.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
20. Yep....debit card that gets reloaded every month. But you can't buy prohibited items....
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 07:00 PM
Mar 2013

....because the transaction gets blocked.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
59. This!
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:18 PM
Mar 2013

Exactly!

Controlling controllers gotta control. Easiest people to push around are poor ones. This kind of thing pisses me off.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
8. There's something we have to be careful with
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 04:17 PM
Mar 2013

I think this is a case of the nanny state, but I can see the value of not allowing food stamps to pay for junk food.

However, I saw this documentary on children raised in poverty, and some of the families didn't have full kitchens, and some didn't even have refrigerators. Some lived in old motel rooms with only ice from an ice machine in the lobby, and a microwave.

So my point is that not everyone has the ability to cook a meal from scratch, and they're going to have to eat some convenience foods. The definition of "junk food" has to be carefully thought out.

I'm editing because my overall feeling is that we should treat adults with dignity and respect, and I don't think going through their shopping lists accomplishes that. Just give them the food stamps and stop whining about what they're buying.

madmom

(9,681 posts)
11. But at the same time..
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 04:46 PM
Mar 2013

Michele Obama's attempt to get people to eat better is considered communism (or worse) by repugs.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
13. Here's an idea
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 05:53 PM
Mar 2013

"Bonuses" for healthy food that actually requires a bit of preparation work, and "surcharges" for crap food, or highly prepared items. You'd go through the supermarket, and leave most items alone, but it wouldn't be too hard to figure out which already relatively inexpensive foods you could further incentivize by making a family's food stamps go further.

Similarly, those highly processed items that represent paying for food processing and marketing (rather than agriculture, isn't that what was supposed to be helped by food stamps in the first place) could be penalized, requiring 25-50% more in food stamps to purchase than "normal" items. No problems with banning anything, and the families who care to eat sensibly can get a boost in their nutrition.

My guess is that the savings from the junk-fooders would more than make up for the bonuses given to thrifty families.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
17. Step 1. Ruin economy. Step 2, Control people now that they are poor, step 3
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 05:59 PM
Mar 2013

profit after you invest in the things you make people buy after limiting their choices.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
28. Step 4- this is not a rich/poor issue. Like cigarettes, the proof is there, it's time to sacrifice
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 08:06 PM
Mar 2013

The poorest of the people save major money on health care and their children save a horrible fate of childhood diabetes, and they can afford doctors the least.

It is easy for those with to protest "the nanny state" and claim to do whatever it is they want,
however, in real life actions like obesity lead to really horrible things as one ages.

Sure, people in their 20s and 30s might not have it catch up, but get to the 50s and well, most won't make it to 70 let alone 75.
It's sad, but it's actuary raw statistical numbers (and well, go to any senior citizen residence,
and look around.

Personally a little sacrifice from those who are not poor, in the way of attempting to (for everyone) get rid of these things that are really bad for people, would mean these things aren't on the shelf to start off with.

We really do not need Twinkees and Cheeze Doodles to survive.
So this shouldn't be an issue for rich or poor, people should just move on from it,
like people no longer in large numbers smoke.

The evidence is out there.
NO ONE rich or poor needs this stuff.
It's too bad this person in Wisconsin doesn't attempt to do it on a 100% of the population basis, and not just score political points with the far right.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
45. If you want to live in a society where you are more controlled
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 10:19 PM
Mar 2013

fine, go find one. For now this is a somewhat free country and you can still go like in N. Korea where the few control the choices of the many - for their own good of course.

How about you worry about your life and your choices and let us adults do the same.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
46. Actually, I think North Korea would be akin to the NRA/Cigarette/Drakes companies
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 04:15 AM
Mar 2013

Actually, I would think North Korea would want to keep people addicted to bad things, as eating can be an addicitive thing and keeping ones mind controlled to a vice is being just that.

So a North Korea would in your example, be in my example the NRA or the Cigarette companies and/or ANY of those 1% corps which want to mind control everyone, which is what vices do-they control people.

It's all how you frame the issue.

Frame it as freedom and liberty.
Vices make one a prisoner and take away your freedom and liberty.

It amazes me that the two of us are indeed on the same side, but are looking at the same
exact thing so completely opposite.

Giving up Yodles, and ringdings and twinkees and cheez doodles and Trix cereal and/or Twix candy bars and 48 ounce real soda and a big tub of buttered (fake butter at that) popcorn, is the adult thing to do. Not to fight to keep eating these things that adults unlike children, just know know is not good for you.
And if it takes a nanny to prod it out of my own fingers, as opposed to a kind hearted grandmother telling me eat, eat, eat, have fun, don't worry, one more Devil Dog won't kill you...well, I sure wish all four of my grandparents were here,(last saw any of them now 30 years or more ago), however, it has nothing to do with my now knowing that every single one of them I might want to eat, makes it one day longer that my road to wellness takes.

And what Grandmother or grandfather wouldn't want their grandkid in reality, to live another day well over a temporary few second fix of gobbling down a Yodel? (and come on, get one of those things in ones hands, and its gone in a flash, but the guilt comes in and lasts longer than the taste to savor.)

I know, I know.

Yes, the politician is an ahole for scoring political points like this. I 100% agree, that person has no right to take a select few and force it.
So make it all of the population, then it is fair.

See, we agree. If we walk around a block we meet in the middle. I am walking left.
If you are also walking left, we are walking together in the first place.
or
to use another example-we are driving 2000 miles and you are in a kool sport car, and speed ahead of my dull boring regular car at the start.
You just know that somewhere 550 miles from New York City, we are at the border of the
Carolinas, and we both make a pit stop at the same exact gas station at the same exact time.
Time and again I have made that drive and seen it to be true.
I do a double take, but its the same car. And though it seems impossible in any time line,
both of us are once again together in the same place, 550 miles from the start.

Initech

(100,087 posts)
19. They think Michelle Obama's cause for healthier eating is policing activity...
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 06:19 PM
Mar 2013

But they want to force people living off food stamps to eat better. Fucking hypocritical douchebags.

snacker

(3,619 posts)
22. I am reminded of this post:
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 07:33 PM
Mar 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021259981

with the subject line: A friend of mine saw someone using food stamps to pay for ice cream bars

Would this lawmaker be opposed to a parent using food stamps to purchase a birthday cake for a child too?
 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
58. Buying a cake mix would be much cheaper
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:14 PM
Mar 2013

Like everything else, bakery cakes should only be purchased if it isn't going to be a hardship somewhere else down the line.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. I get so sick of this kind of thing
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 07:33 PM
Mar 2013

They'd rather judge poor people than say judge what the rich should do with their money. Anything to make it harder on the least fortunate. Juste leave it alone. It's not that common and being poor should not be an excuse for one set of people to control another - that's what they really want.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
24. This would not only harm the poor it would also harm small businesses
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 07:42 PM
Mar 2013

Many small businesses still use the old style cash registers that do not have barcode readers. If a business has a computerized checkout system they can program what is and is not considered a healthy food into the computers and it makes it easy to figure out what people can and can not buy. The small businesses that do not have fancy equipment will have far more difficulty handling this regulation, they will have to keep books that define which products are healthy and which are not, they will then have to manually figure out how many of the products can be bought with food stamps and which need to be paid for with cash. This is going to be so difficult for small businesses without access to technology to do that a number of them may have to stop accepting food stamps altogether and this damages their business and hurts poor people as well.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
25. The definition of "food"
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 07:52 PM
Mar 2013

SoCalDem (99,089 posts) Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:02 PM


73. Stuff like this happens because the definition of "food" has changed


I'm sure that corporate lobbyists have spent "brazillions" of dollars ensuring that the definition (for food stamps purposes) has remained "loose".

Grocery stores are vastly different from what they were when food stamps started out.

So is advertising.

The "normal" food-basket USED to contain mostly "building blocks" of food preparation, which were then put together at home to make a meal.

That changed for MOST people... a long time ago.

It's still possible to cook from scratch ( I do it every day), but look at how many people , especially poor people have limited access to adequate, storage, cooking facilities. It's entirely possible that some people with food stamps live in motels, or in someone's garage or spare room...or their car.

The USDA could have (at any time..or many times) changed the criteria of eligibility-of-foods (like WIC), but they have chosen NOT TO DO IT.

Large corporations do not WANT the criteria changed...neither do the grocery store magnates. They want to sell product, and if people find themselves unable to buy the stuff, food stamps bridge the gap when buying food..even if some of it is deemed "unsuitable" by "some people"..

Food stamps are also PURCHASED by poor people..not entirely "GIVEN" to them.

While it might seem "out of line" for a "poor person" to "waste" "our" tax dollars on something "we" think they should not be buying, it's LEGAL for them to buy anything that the rules say it's okay to buy with food stamps. This includes lots of things that are not "good for them" or even "nutritious", but the law calls those things "food"..

99.999999% of people on assistance use their "aid" wisely, but of course, the occasional "oddity" is what gets magnified.

Decades ago (In Indiana), actual FOOD was handed out to poor people.. My friend's Dad worked for the agency that did it. Every month, people lined up and got :

3 boxes of food: (items I remember being in the boxes)

eggs
butter
rice
beans
flour
sugar
cereal
powdered milk
potatoes
onions
pasta
canned soups
canned tomatoes
canned fruit
canned veggies

Of course food stamps (EBT cards) are easier to use since it requires no warehouses to store the stuff, no facility to hand the stuff out, and of course it allows people to choose what they want to buy, but it also transfers the responsibility to buy "good" food.. some will not do it....but most will

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
33. Michigan still hands out foodstuffs...
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 08:10 PM
Mar 2013

...I don't know how often but it's still done.

EBT cards already have lots of restrictions on them. It has to be food for starters; no alcohol, no toilet paper, no clothing, etc. It wouldn't seem to be all that difficult to further restrict other food items like candy bars and stuff. Not saying they should just it would be easy to do.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
27. As "public servants"
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 08:04 PM
Mar 2013

I think it is our best interests that we begin to move to determine the diet of these lawmakers since we are both paying for their healthcare and paying their salaries.

Why should we allow them to eat in unhealthy ways that may pose a threat to their capacity to serve us in an optimal way. We have the right to demand strict, dietary compliance.

I would also propose that they be carefully monitored and that any use of alcohol, tobacco, or junk food be prohibited. One time and you are out of office!

Then, I would also propose that we look into their personal lifestyles and determine any adjustments that would have to be made to their behavior.

ZRT2209

(1,357 posts)
37. yes, he can explain again how "offensive" FLOTUS' "let's move" program is, as well
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 08:16 PM
Mar 2013

she's trying to tell us what to eat! WAHHHHH!

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
39. Can I borrow this to put in a letter to Rep Kaufert to hopefully enlighten him to his hypocrisy?
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 08:17 PM
Mar 2013

Fantastic educational tool you've developed here.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
48. In California, you can buy food
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 04:55 AM
Mar 2013

at the farmers' markets with your food stamps. One of my favorite local ones does a 2-for-1 deal wherein you can buy $2.00 worth of food stamps for $1.00 -- thereby encouraging people to 1) eat healthy and 2) get more for their money in the process. That's called offering OPPORTUNITY as opposed to mandating. You can also use food stamps at fast food restaurants here. On the surface it may sound like a bad idea and it was controversial when it first went in, but as someone upthread pointed out, not everyone has the cooking facilities to be able to cook from scratch. Sometimes it's a refrigerator and, if they're lucky, a microwave and that's it.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
53. Nestles, Kraft, Unilever and Pepsi are not going to be shut out by this guy's grandstanding
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 09:34 AM
Mar 2013

There ARE restrictions on what can be bought with food stamps and since Kaufert won't be going after the corporate food, the best he could do is EXPAND what CAN be bought with food stamps to include healthier, fresher foods.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
54. Know why people buy "junk"?
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 09:42 AM
Mar 2013
Because it's cheap.

Show of hands, how many people here think Rep. Kaufert has lived on a food stamp budget? I don't mean a "one-week challenge," I mean like literally living off TANF.

What you end up buying are two classes of goods.

1) "Eat now" food - fast calories from sugar and carbohydrates, and fast-to-cook proteins like hot dogs and - yes - steaks.
2) "Squirrel away" food - canned goods, pasta, raw ingredients like flour, sugar, drink mixes, etc.

"Green, leafy vegetable" don't figure in, nor do fresh fruits. because they're bulky and spoil fast. Unless you have a good freezer, so do most meats (and let's face it, a lot of the meat you're buying is going to have that "previously frozen" marker on it...)

When it's the 29th of the month and mr. Kaufert is concocting a spaghetti-and-canned-green-beans meal for his family, just like last month, and the month before... then he can say shit. And even then he better not. People aren't sucking down ding-dongs because they like making the taxpayer pay for dessert, it's because they're on fucking TANF and still all working their asses off in an economy that does not value them.
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
56. And that was how this leftist grew up.
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 10:05 AM
Mar 2013

Food stamps is hardly "living off the fat of the taxpayer," it's more literally "being able to catch the state's crumbs because your boss doesn't pay you your worth."

I will never figure out why "conservatives" hate the poor so fucking much

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
60. when rebulicans can regulate the poor they will....
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 02:32 PM
Mar 2013

when it comes to common sense regulation for anyone or anything else they cry LIBERTY and BIG GUVAMINT!

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