The Nays: Someone has to post this list, before posting becomes an act of terrorism

[kpete]

THURSDAY, DECEMBER 15, 2011

The senators voting Nay on the "Indefinite Detention by the Military" bill

Because someone has to post this list, before posting becomes an act of terrorism, to be dealt with by the military only, in military court only (yes, folks, that's what this bill calls for).

Senators voting Nay on this year's version of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA):

NAYs ---13

Cardin (D-MD)
Coburn (R-OK)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Durbin (D-IL)
Franken (D-MN)
Harkin (D-IA)
Lee (R-UT)
Merkley (D-OR)
Paul (R-KY)
Risch (R-ID)
Sanders (I-VT)
Wyden (D-OR)


YEAs ---86

Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Brown (R-MA)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Coons (D-DE)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagan (D-NC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kirk (R-IL)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Portman (R-OH)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Rubio (R-FL)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Vitter (R-LA)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wicker (R-MS)

The rest:
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00230#position
http://www.americablog.com/2011/12/senators-voting-nay-on-indefinite.html

[provis99]

1. 13 voted against; you only listed ten.

I think Bernie Sanders voted against it, too.

on edit: Risch and Wyden nay, too.

[kpete]

2. thanks

peace, kpete

[unionworks]

3. thanks for the info

Ashamed to see our Bob Casey among the yeas

[Mimosa]

4. Senator Franken has turned out to be thoughtful, dutiful and honorable

I'm not from Minnesota. I had trepidations about a 'comedian' being elected as a Senator.

But now I am thanking Minnesotans for having voted Al Franken into the senate.

[dflprincess]

13. Unfortunately our other senator Amy Klobuchar voted for it.

Between Amykins and Obama I'm beginning to seriously wonder if there is any point in attending the precinct caucuses in February - and I've attended every one since 1972.

I do know I won't be looking for any party offices next year & I'm about ready to resign the one I have now. Though that seems a bit pointless this late in the cycle.

[kenny blankenship]

31. OMG That is such a relief! I had heard that he voted for it

and I couldn't believe it. This bolsters my faith in Al and makes me proud to have supported him.
Another class of 2008 Senator who is a REAL DEMOCRAT is Jeff Merkeley of Oregon. He also voted No and has been consistently good He is the same good guy that he appeared to be when he was running, and the same guy that I supported, unlike Obama.

[lonestarnot]

5. Now watch that drone!

[cyberswede]

6. We can always count on Harkin. nt

[midnight]

7. Thanks for all the NAYS...

[WillyT]

8. K & R !!!

:kick:

[Summer Hathaway]

9. Do you seriously believe -

Ooops!

I just appreciated the irony in using the word "seriously" in response to this kind of nonsense.

[Octafish]

25. What do you mean by 'nonsense'?

And, welcome to DU, Summer Hathaway!

[Summer Hathaway]

30. Thanks for the welcome!

What I mean by nonsense is: "Because someone has to post this list, before posting becomes an act of terrorism, to be dealt with by the military only, in military court only (yes, folks, that's what this bill calls for)."

I often wonder if those who indulge in such over-the-top rhetoric realize how foolish they sound - and how anything they have to say following a comment like that negates whatever legitimate concerns they might have.

It reminds me of the "all liberals are going to be sent to FEMA-buit concentration camps" during the W years. I tended to immediately tune out those who engaged in such ridiculous musings - and this, IMHO, is no different.

[redqueen]

34. "I often wonder if those who indulge in such over-the-top rhetoric ...

realize how foolish they sound - and how anything they have to say following a comment like that negates whatever legitimate concerns they might have."

Aw, you're new. Welcome to DU.

Over the top rhetoric is wildly popular here, actually.

[Octafish]

35. Yeah. We wouldn't want to have any conspiracy theorists around here.

Gumming up the works. Next thing you know, we'd be talking about how the election was stolen in 2000. Or the government monitors what we write or kills teenage citizens without trial. You know, kooky stuff.

[redqueen]

36. Election fraud is a sound theory.

Are you seriously comparing it to the idea that posting will become an act of terrorism?

There's rather a wide gulf between them.

[Octafish]

38. Don't know about that. I do know that ideas can be dangerous things.

Especially when considered by free people. At this moment, Julian Assange is fighting extradition to the United States for what used to be considered our right to know the truth. Too many people, including a fair number of my fellow Democrats, consider the First Amendment, let alone open government, a quaint notion.

[redqueen]

43. You'll have to be more specific.

What is it you don't know about? That posts might become criminalized? Or that there's a wide gap between the possibility of criminalized posts and election fraud?

As for the rest I'm not sure where you're going with it or what you're referring to. If people here are against Julian that's another issue.

[Summer Hathaway]

39. Thank you kindly for the welcome -

I am beginning to learn just how popular the over-the-top stuff is!

[redqueen]

42. Hah, I bet! (nt)

[DevonRex]

47. It's so embarrassing.

Especially when this kind of stuff is all over the first page. Heck, every page.

[Robb]

10. The bill authorizes detaining bloggers.

The list of websites specifically targeted includes DU. Although only the Cooking and Baking Group.

But I was not a cook, so I remained silent.

[DevonRex]

11. Blogger Bunker kit $500. Real cheap.

Get yours before they're gone.

[Summer Hathaway]

41. I'm a refugee from another site -

When they started rounding up the knitters, I grabbed my yarn and needles and fled under cover of darkness. Alas, a half-finished pair of mittens had to be left behind.

[MilesColtrane]

46. Careful, you're skirting the law there.

This bill mandates military detention of Niemoller quoters.

[Luminous Animal]

12. I'm so glad to see Franken as a nay.

[Odin2005]

14. Klobuchar??? That's it, I'M PISSED OFF!!!

[DonCoquixote]

15. surprised

I expected names like Landrieu and Nelson, but why did Boxer and Gillibrand sign on for this?

[DeathToTheOil]

16. K'd & R'd

Thirteen American Patriots.

[cyberspirit]

17. Neither the Senate bill nor the conference report establishes new authority to detain Amer. citizens

Those who say that we have written into law a new authority to detain American citizens until the end of hostilities are wrong. Neither the Senate bill nor the conference report establishes new authority to detain American citizens – or anybody else.

Sen. Levin Statement on Passage of Defense Authorization Bill

Thursday, December 15, 2011

WASHINGTON – Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., today hailed Senate passage of the National Defense Authorization Act for the 2012 fiscal year. The Senate approved the bill by a vote 86-13, and the president has announced that he will sign the bill into law.

“The enactment of this conference report will improve the quality of life of our men and women in uniform,” Levin said. “It will give them the tools that they need to remain the most effective fighting force in the world. Most important of all, it will send an important message that we, as a nation, stand behind them and deeply appreciate their service.

Levin continued: “Probably the most discussed provision in the conference report is the provision relative to military detention for foreign al Qaeda terrorists. This provision has been written to be doubly sure that there is no interference with civilian interrogations and other law enforcement activities and to ensure that the President has the flexibility he needs to use the most appropriate tools in each case. Those who say that we have written into law a new authority to detain American citizens until the end of hostilities are wrong. Neither the Senate bill nor the conference report establishes new authority to detain American citizens – or anybody else.

“The bill includes important new sanctions against the financial sector of Iran, including the Central Bank of Iran, that will increase pressure on Iran to end its pursuit of nuclear weapons. It includes provisions addressing the problem of counterfeit parts that can undermine the performance of military weapon systems and endanger our men and women in uniform. And it extends the Small Business Innovative Research (SBIR) program for an additional six years, continuing a program vital to our small businesses and to national security.”

[Autumn]

20. Bernie Sanders has this to say

"This bill also contains misguided provisions that in the name of fighting terrorism essentially authorize the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens without charges. While we must aggressively pursue international terrorists and all of those who would do us harm, we must do it in a way that protects the Constitution and the civil liberties which make us proud to be Americans."


And Dianne Feinstein is trying a free-standing bill titled the Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011 , to eliminate the President’s ability to indefinitely detain American citizens.

So why are they concerned?

[cyberspirit]

21. I'll ask Senator Levin

Don't know. I'll see what Levin has to say.

[TheKentuckian]

22. If DiFi is worried about this going too far and you aren't, the odds are stacked mightily toward you

being far to cavalier.

DiFi is not a reliable friend on such matters, or almost any.

[Autumn]

24. Bernie I trust

DiFi I can't really say what she does, but she strikes me as someone who would not try to grandstand and try for a completely unnecessary bill.

[MindMover]

45. you are technically correct that it is not a new law.......actually 2005.....but they did strengthen

the old law and have set more precedent to make sure that lawyers and judges in the future can site the law on holding citizens indefinitely.....

Orwell was right......

[boston bean]

18. John Kerry is a bloviating 1%er. Brown is a Republican wanting to be a 1%er.

They both make me sick lately.

[Are_grits_groceries]

19. I actually AGREE with Sen. DeMinted?

Oy! I have to lie down. What a screwed up nation this has become.

[Ineeda]

27. My thought exactly

When Franken and DeMint vote the same way, something is seriously messed up.

[tjwash]

23. Feinstein is no suprise, but Boxer is a shock.

California just did their part to fuck the US. Thanks Barbara...you could have at least taken an ideological stand on this

With 87 votes, Now we know why O wasn't even going to bother talking about vetoing this bill...would have been a complete waste of time and energy. They would have an override vote in place the next day.

[BeHereNow]

37. I too, am shocked to see Boxer voted for it.

Un-fucking believable.
Bad Barbie.
No more dream house privileges for you.
Lost my vote FOREVER on this one.

BHN

[awoke_in_2003]

44. standing on principle...

is not a waste of energy- of course, you cannot tell this to our last two democratic presidents.

[Romulox]

26. Michigan is a smoldering heap, Carl can only dream of more war. nt

[Nuclear Unicorn]

28. The first one to stop applauding is the obvious subversive. n/t

[Scuba]

29. Interesting that there are as many Republicans as Democrats that voted against it. n/t

[treestar]

32. No it does not

There is no such danger.

That number of senators voting for something would not be something that controversial.

Thus this subject for outrage has failed.

[hifiguy]

33. Well, ONE of my senators, Al Franken,

speaks for me.

[BeHereNow]

40. Well, I guess it's pretty clear what needs to happen next.

Time for some SERIOUS house cleaning.
The Nays can stay in office, everybody else, GTFO
because you do not represent we, the people.

Enough is enough.
I am shocked by some of the democrats who supported
this draconian piece of shit legislation.
I will NEVER cast another vote for Boxer again.
She has betrayed the people of California, after having our support
for DECADES.

BHN