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Paul E Ester

(952 posts)
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:31 PM Mar 2013

Europe is risking a bank run

The Germans rejected a loan which they were certain Cyprus would invariably default on. So the sum was cut to €10bn. A depositor haircut was the only way to co-finance this. When they did the maths, they found the big deposits would not have sufficed.

So they opted for a wealth tax with hardly any progression. There is not even an exemption for people with only very small savings. If one wanted to feed the political mood of insurrection in southern Europe, this was the way to do it. The long-term political damage of this agreement is going to be huge. In the short term, the danger consists of a generalised bank run, not just in Cyprus.

As in the case of Greece, the finance ministers said: “Don’t worry, this is a unique situation”. This is true only in a very narrow legal sense. The bond haircut in Greece is indeed different to the depositor haircut in Cyprus. And when they repeat this elsewhere, it will be unique once more.

Unless there is a last-minute reprieve for small savers, most Cypriot savers would act rationally if they withdrew the rest of their money simply to protect them from further haircuts or taxes. It would be equally rational for savers elsewhere in southern Europe to join them. The experience of Cyprus tells them that the solvency of a deposit insurance scheme is only as good as that of the state. In view of Italy’s public sector debt ratio, or the combined public and private sector indebtedness of Spain and Portugal, there is no way that these governments can insure all banks’ deposits on their own.

The Cyprus rescue has shown that the creditor nations will insist from now that any bank rescue must be co-funded by depositors.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b501c302-8cea-11e2-aed2-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2NufGvqnQ

Cash hoarding at home. Would you leave cash in a bank only to find 10% stolen and sent to banks of another country, because banks in your country made bad loans. This could be the greatest bank robbery ever.

They have extended the bank holiday to wednesday and thursday. They'll rob them on friday. You can be sure people are taking their monies out of the banks in spain, italy and greece.

It's going to affect us here one way or another, already the stock market is ultra volitile having hit it's recent highs. This could trigger a meltdown or it could be good as we see capital from abroad looking for safe havens. In the wall street casino anything is possible. These are fun time.
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Europe is risking a bank run (Original Post) Paul E Ester Mar 2013 OP
Where do you get 10% being sent to banks of another country from ? dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #1
Cyprus postpones vote on deposits haircut legislation Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #3
There is no point in posting links to Saturday - time has moved on. dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #4
Who owns the loans they are refinancing? Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #5
As far as I am aware dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #6
Whoa Nellie ! Berlum Mar 2013 #2
 

Paul E Ester

(952 posts)
3. Cyprus postpones vote on deposits haircut legislation
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:40 PM
Mar 2013

Anastasiades has said a Eurogroup meeting which went into the early hour of Saturday put before him two options, either to accept levy of 6.75 percent on all bank deposits below 100,000 euros (130,000 U.S. dollars) and of 9.9 percent on deposits above that mark, or see the Cypriot banks collapsing on Tuesday after an immediate discontinuations of emergency liquidity assistance the ECB.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-03/17/c_132241104.htm

Give us our money or die.

The ECB is mostly German money.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
4. There is no point in posting links to Saturday - time has moved on.
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:56 PM
Mar 2013

The bands were already in the process of being renogiated much earlier today.

Aside from that the deal was that the ECB agreed to LEND Cyprus €10 billion IF Cyprus would RAISE €7 billion themselves. The funds are not going anywhere outside of Cyprus - Cyprus is not giving anyone anything.

The cost of insuring against default of loans to Cyprus also increased substantially to today.

 

Paul E Ester

(952 posts)
5. Who owns the loans they are refinancing?
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 02:00 PM
Mar 2013

Germany, and other creditors outside of Cyprus.

Should grandma lose 6.7 of her savings because a German banker lent money to a cypriot banker who lent it to greece?

This is robbery and being done to keep creditors, who live outside of cyprus whole on their shit loans.

It's basically taking X amount of every account and giving it to an entity (the ECB), outside of Cyprus. They are doing this so the ECB can continue to pay interest to the Germans which is where the ECB money came from. If the robbery does not occur, Cyprus will default and the bankers will be the ones stiffed.

These countries need to follow Iceland's lead and tell the bankers to get stuffed.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
6. As far as I am aware
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 02:06 PM
Mar 2013

there are currently no bonds repayable to the EU within the near future and the Russian one was extended over the weekend at a lower rate of interest.

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