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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 03:18 PM Mar 2013

Uh Oh... 'Wall Street Deregulation Advances As Top Democrat Warns That Vote Could 'Haunt' Congress'

Wall Street Deregulation Advances As Top Democrat Warns That Vote Could 'Haunt' Congress
Zach Carter - HuffPo
Posted: 03/20/2013 2:34 pm EDT

<snip>

WASHINGTON -- A House Committee approved six new bills to deregulate Wall Street derivatives on Wednesday, advancing legislation that would expand taxpayer support for derivatives and create broad new trading loopholes allowing banks to shirk risk management standards created by the 2010 Dodd-Frank bill.

The House Agriculture Committee passed all six bills with broad bipartisan support, just five days after Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) released a report detailing extensive failures to contain derivatives risks at JPMorgan Chase -- troubles that lead to billions of dollars in losses from a single trade.

The legislation will next be considered by the full House of Representatives.

The most controversial bill to advance Wednesday is explicitly designed to expand taxpayer backing for derivatives. It was the only legislation that lawmakers were required to cast individual votes for or against; the others were all approved by unanimous voice votes. The bill to increase taxpayer support for bank derivatives dealing was approved by a vote of 31 to 14.

Prior to the vote, the top Democrat on the Agricultural Committee, Rep. Collin Peterson (D-Minn.), gave a speech warning that the legislation could repeat the deregulation debacles of the 1990s.

"Two of the worst votes I ever made in this place was the Commodity [Futures] Modernization Act of 2000 that exempted all of these swaps from any regulation or any margins," Peterson said. "I didn't know any better. The other vote I made that was really bad is eliminating Glass-Steagall. We should have never done that and I bought into that. You know, if we had Glass-Steagall back, this wouldn't be an issue here ... You're putting taxpayers on the hook. And if you wanna do that, fine. But I mean, you know, when I, when a lot of us were here, we hadn't paid enough attention and this thing blew up on us. At the time we did the Modernization Act, there were $80 billion in swaps, in derivatives. We gave 'em legal certainty, we eliminated the regulation requirements, and it went to $700 trillion and it blew up on us. So just be careful: You can vote any way you want, but this could come back and haunt you."


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More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/wall-street-deregulation-_n_2916795.html








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Uh Oh... 'Wall Street Deregulation Advances As Top Democrat Warns That Vote Could 'Haunt' Congress' (Original Post) WillyT Mar 2013 OP
They just don't give a flying fuck about anything but kickbacks from Wall Street. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #1
+1. it's as bad & blatant as in any tinpot banana republic. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #6
I can't believe I am reading this. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2013 #2
The President doen't have to sign it, does he? nt kelliekat44 Mar 2013 #3
I'm not clairvoyant, but IDemo Mar 2013 #8
has he actually vetoed anything yet? Cosmocat Mar 2013 #10
This has passed the senate? xxqqqzme Mar 2013 #12
Passed through republican committee as most bad bills do jbnow Mar 2013 #24
What the flying f*ck?!?!? ProfessionalLeftist Mar 2013 #4
Yeah it's going to haunt them all right, just as soon as we people see who Autumn Mar 2013 #5
Fuck that shit. Incredibly bad idea. Initech Mar 2013 #7
Of course! Why not! Rex Mar 2013 #9
I disagree..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #14
But who would you sell the jerky to? Rex Mar 2013 #20
And that is WHY capitalism is a doomed system.... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #25
Social barbarism. Rex Mar 2013 #31
Deregulation of derivatives WHICH SHOULD BE OUTLAWED? aquart Mar 2013 #11
Nope... Check Post #16... WillyT Mar 2013 #17
I think it's about time for a Taxpayers strike. Fuddnik Mar 2013 #13
Most of us have our taxes taken out via payroll. The only way to strike is also to strike against TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #38
OMFG. Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #15
MORE HERE: WillyT Mar 2013 #16
EVEN MORE HERE: (Plus A Couple Of .PDFs Of The Bills In Question) WillyT Mar 2013 #18
Wait. AGRICULTURE? aquart Mar 2013 #19
Maybe Dr. Apocalypse is right BootinUp Mar 2013 #21
Last Kick From Me... WillyT Mar 2013 #22
If this passes the Senate and the Prez signs it, kiss the economy GOODBYE. Bake Mar 2013 #23
Here's where they suck the last of the life out of the country before abandoning it. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #26
The House Agricultural Committee..... Old and In the Way Mar 2013 #27
This is INSANE!! I can't believe the Democrats are doing this. What are they getting in return??? northoftheborder Mar 2013 #28
One thing we always count on is investors getting what they pay for. nt raouldukelives Mar 2013 #29
Well, I guess that applies to the BIG investors, at least Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #33
Many blooms make a Bloomberg. nt raouldukelives Mar 2013 #35
Why don't they just come out and say Aerows Mar 2013 #30
And so begins the next market bubble / crash. (nt) DirkGently Mar 2013 #32
Such a surprise. I mean who would of thought that... Safetykitten Mar 2013 #34
Kick....Want to keep it going to see what the final vote is... KoKo Mar 2013 #36
A twofer for Obama - a bipartisan bill that helps his obscenely rich banking pals. forestpath Mar 2013 #37
 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
1. They just don't give a flying fuck about anything but kickbacks from Wall Street.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 03:25 PM
Mar 2013

They know we don't have a say in the matter so why should they care?

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
2. I can't believe I am reading this.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 04:02 PM
Mar 2013

Unfuckingbelievable that they could even be considering this.

Cosmocat

(15,424 posts)
10. has he actually vetoed anything yet?
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:23 PM
Mar 2013

either way, if this hits his desk, it would be a great time for him to spike one ...

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
12. This has passed the senate?
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:13 PM
Mar 2013

just curious. I know there has been talk of deregulation but I cannot imagine this bunch of highway robbery getting through the senate w/o some observations from Sanders or Warren.

jbnow

(3,660 posts)
24. Passed through republican committee as most bad bills do
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 05:36 PM
Mar 2013

People might be thinking senate because Levin's report was mentioned.
Not that we don't have wall street loving dems.
but we have Elizabeth. She'd at least tell us!

Man I wish Barney Frank had gotten that temporary senate appointment. He knows finances and budget

Still the problem with finance regulation is much of the actual rule settings is done by oversight agencies... and being delayed and taken to court by big banks and positions not being filled...
So a not strong enough initial bill is being sabotaged even without the new bad bills passing,

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
4. What the flying f*ck?!?!?
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 04:11 PM
Mar 2013

What the Sam HELL do these jackasses think they're doing other than FLOUTING in the faces of the American People just how much they intend to allow Wall Street to financially RAPE this country, its economy and everyone in it into financial oblivion?

To be DE-regulating ANYTHING to do with Wall Street right now is UNCONSCIONABLE.






Autumn

(48,962 posts)
5. Yeah it's going to haunt them all right, just as soon as we people see who
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 04:15 PM
Mar 2013

these asses are really representing, and it sure as fuck isn't the people.

Initech

(108,783 posts)
7. Fuck that shit. Incredibly bad idea.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 04:19 PM
Mar 2013

It would just concentrate more money into the hands of incredibly corrupt billionaires who will use it against us. No just no.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. Of course! Why not!
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 04:33 PM
Mar 2013

Congress is like the Legion of Doom. WTF we have these criminal-idiots running things and not real adults worried about the citizenry, is beyond me. Just kidding, I know they are all bought and paid for.

Capitalism - not in this country! In this country we bleed the citizenry dry of blood then sell the meat as jerky.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
14. I disagree.....
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 07:08 PM
Mar 2013

bleeding the citizenry dry of blood and then selling the meat as jerky is exactly what capitalism DOES. The only thing that's been a check on this end game capitalism has been government regulation...UNTIL they bought enough legislators to DEregulate. Now capitalism is free to be capitalism in all it's glory.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
20. But who would you sell the jerky to?
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 02:36 AM
Mar 2013

Capitalism needs a healthy supply and demand to survive and if you grind up everyone you lose ALL your potential customers. Also, you need some kind of workforce pool to keep the machines going.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
25. And that is WHY capitalism is a doomed system....
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 08:12 PM
Mar 2013
The internal contradictions will destroy it anyway. That was Marx's basic insight. All of the rest came from this insight. The real question is what will replace it. Socialism or barbarism?

aquart

(69,014 posts)
11. Deregulation of derivatives WHICH SHOULD BE OUTLAWED?
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:54 PM
Mar 2013

Tell me this is an Onion story.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
13. I think it's about time for a Taxpayers strike.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:26 PM
Mar 2013

Investors don't want to pay taxes, but have no problem having everyone else picking up the tab.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
38. Most of us have our taxes taken out via payroll. The only way to strike is also to strike against
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:16 AM
Mar 2013

ourselves. Sometimes I have to pay beyond what was taken out but even withholding that is quite minor compared to the thousands already in their hands.

We have to refuse to elect the selected and we must demand and push for systemic renewal in a relentless and unwavering fashion.

We must stop trying to win the spin and stop making excuses for poor stewards and generating lame mythology so we sleep at night while we, the people are fucking harvested. We must quit pretending we can somehow manage the consuming corruption of money in our government. We must stop turning blind eyes and deaf ears to the revolving doors and crap values of those set up as our ruling class, regardless of partisan affiliation.

We must cease chasing a lightening in a bottle type exception of a perverse economic system and grow up a tad bit by getting away from the religious like faith in what are supposed to be resource distribution systems, regardless of what "ism" is the best tool in the moment to advance humanity along the path.

We have to quit living by lesser evilisim when dealing with systemic corruption. Less bad cancer is still deadly.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
16. MORE HERE:
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:18 PM
Mar 2013

Still looking for how they voted on that one bill...

Wall Street Wins Under Swap-Rule Changes Moving in House
By Silla Brush - Bloomberg
Mar 20, 2013 1:07 PM PT

Link: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-19/wall-street-may-win-swap-rule-reprieve-in-u-s-house-legislation.html


 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
18. EVEN MORE HERE: (Plus A Couple Of .PDFs Of The Bills In Question)
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 09:58 PM
Mar 2013
The bills are the culmination of the committee's oversight efforts of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) as it writes rules for Dodd-Frank. All but one of the bills advanced on a voice vote. The committee approved H.R. 992, the Swaps Regulatory Improvement Act, by a vote of 31-14. The bill is sponsored by Reps. Jim Himes, D-Conn., Sean Patrick Maloney, D-N.Y., Randy Hultgren, R-Ill., and Richard Hudson, R-N.C.

Peterson strongly opposed the Swaps Regulatory Improvement Act, which he said would put more taxpayer dollars at risk. The bill amends provisions in Section 716 of the Dodd-Frank Act relating to federally-backed subsidiaries for swaps entities.

As described by Practical Law Company, Section 716 is referred to as the Pushout Rule, but is primarily a ban on federal assistance to certain banking institutions. Section 716 enables certain banks to remain eligible for federal assistance if they push derivatives activities out of their federally insured subsidiaries into separately capitalized affiliates. H.R. 992 would allow banks to deal derivatives out of their federally insured subsidiary.


Link: http://www.agri-pulse.com/Dodd-Frank-reform-bills-move-out-of-House-Agriculture-Committee-03202013.asp

The most troubling bill and its sponsors(.pdf file): http://agriculture.house.gov/sites/republicans.agriculture.house.gov/files/pdf/legislation/HR992.pdf

The group of bills and their sponsors (.pdf file): http://www.agri-pulse.com/uploaded/Approved-DF.pdf


BootinUp

(51,323 posts)
21. Maybe Dr. Apocalypse is right
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 03:32 AM
Mar 2013

according to the character in last weeks Bones episode, the total breakdown of civilization is inevitable anyways.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
23. If this passes the Senate and the Prez signs it, kiss the economy GOODBYE.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 05:05 PM
Mar 2013

The Wall Street fraudsters will rip us all off, and then it will be OVER for America.

Let's HOPE the Senate rejects this outright. If not, let's HOPE the President tells his bankster buddies (i.e. contributors) NOT THIS TIME.

If not, you can mark it down as the day America DIED.

Bake

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
26. Here's where they suck the last of the life out of the country before abandoning it.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 08:16 PM
Mar 2013

All with bipartisan support. Two parties working for the same people.

We never had a chance.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
27. The House Agricultural Committee.....
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 08:26 PM
Mar 2013

(1)Why is this oversight under the purview of Agriculture?

(2) I suppose committee members have financial incentive to do this....will some sunlight and voter education torpedo this before it even comes up for debate?

northoftheborder

(7,637 posts)
28. This is INSANE!! I can't believe the Democrats are doing this. What are they getting in return???
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 10:02 PM
Mar 2013

A bunch of campaign money, I suppose.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
30. Why don't they just come out and say
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 11:57 PM
Mar 2013

"Screwing over the taxpayers worked so well in 2008, we thought we'd do it again with more vigor, this time!"

ETA: I read something earlier that all of the big money guys are dumping bank stocks by the hundreds of millions of dollars. Note the stock market is soaring. That usually indicates there's a huge crash coming.

If we bail out these two big to fail banks again with no prosecutions, we might as well just all hand over our money, because they will take it anyway eventually.

http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/billionaires-dump-economist-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=FE8A-1

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
34. Such a surprise. I mean who would of thought that...
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:09 AM
Mar 2013

bailing out banks with unlimited amounts of cash, not prosecuting any bad guys at banks, would lead to such naked corruption from a Connecticut Democrat and a New York Democrat. It's unimaginable. How could this occur?

Oh, THANK GOD IT PASSED! the sequel.

Carry on, it will pass, get signed and we will be on our merry way backing derivatives. then the REAL fun begins.

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