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damnedifIknow Mar 2013 OP
MineralMan Mar 2013 #1
upaloopa Mar 2013 #2
MineralMan Mar 2013 #5
GoCubsGo Mar 2013 #10
damnedifIknow Mar 2013 #3
MineralMan Mar 2013 #4
socialindependocrat Mar 2013 #6
MineralMan Mar 2013 #8
socialindependocrat Mar 2013 #11
MineralMan Mar 2013 #13
GoCubsGo Mar 2013 #7
MineralMan Mar 2013 #9
GoCubsGo Mar 2013 #12
MineralMan Mar 2013 #14
lpbk2713 Mar 2013 #15

Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:27 AM

1. Is what necessary? The armed cops?

I'd think someone might want to steal that little chopper drone, maybe. I guess they're guarding it.

Oh, you're talking about that little drone helicopter? Yeah, it's a good idea. It can do surveillance, find missing persons, and help police from walking into ambushes, among other things. Much cheaper to buy and operate than a manned helicopter, which is what most police departments are currently using.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:30 AM

2. can fly over backyards and snap pictures of you sun bathing too

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:36 AM

5. I don't sun bathe. My doctor says I should

avoid that kind of sun exposure. Besides, the glare off my paper white body after a Minnesota winter would burn the camera out instantly.

Still, I'm sure the Police have a special budget for flying helicopter drones over backyards to look for naked people. You bet.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:44 AM

10. Anyone who saw me sunbathing would go blind.

Especially if I decided to go without a swimsuit. And, if they wanted to see me in a swimsuit, all they'd have to do is go to my gym while I'm swimming laps. I'm headed that way in a few hours...

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Response to damnedifIknow (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:35 AM

4. Yes, I'm sure. The vehicle says SWAT on it.

They look like the typically armed SWAT officers. We could debate whether all that is necessary, I suppose, but I don't think that's what this thread is about.

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:38 AM

6. It does cost extra tax dollars

and I would think that one SWAT team for multiple communities
would be sufficient.

Since it does cost tax dollars it would be nice if the police
poll the community to see what their view of the need vs.
want is. The police seem to say - We have decided that
there is a NEED and they go out and spend the money and
then raise taxes. There will be no end to the "toys" that
these people want/need.

I am against spending tax payer's money in order to increase
revenue (eg. , intersection cameras). If they want the intersection
to be safer they should increase the time for the yellow or put up a
countdown indicator like they have on the crosswalks now. That way
you would know how many seconds are left to get thru the light. If
there are only 2-3 seconds you know to stop at the light. -Simple-

BUT - it reduces revenue - NO, we can't possibly do that!
AND why would we want to?
(because you're there to PROTECT the people, stupid!)

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Response to socialindependocrat (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:40 AM

8. We have those countdown timers on a lot of our

traffic signals in St. Paul, MN. They are wonderful. I hate approaching a green light and not knowing whether it's going to change soon. It helps with traffic flow and actually gets people to slow down and stop when the counter shows not much time left.

They're a great idea.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:45 AM

11. Thanks for letting me know they exist!

Is this counter for the crosswalk

or is it for the yellow to red countdown?

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Response to socialindependocrat (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:48 AM

13. It's used both for the crosswalk and for drivers.

They count down the change from green to yellow. Typically, they begin the countdown at 15-20 seconds. The ones here have 8" numerals, and can be seen at least half a block away by drivers.

Not every intersection has them yet, but they're getting more common every week. The other thing we have here in fairly large quantities are the speed indicators that show drivers what their current speed is, along with the speed limit. Mostly they're in mixed areas, with both commercial and residential buildings. They've really worked to slow drivers down.

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:39 AM

7. It all depends on who is defining what "necessary" means.

For the paranoiac local governments who buy into all of the fear-mongering that is being fed them by the fascist coroporatists, yes, it's necessary. For the sane people, no, it is not.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:44 AM

9. Well, right now, most major police departments are using

manned helicopters a lot. They fly around the Twin Cities frequently when a pursuit is going on or when police are looking for a felon who is evading arrest after committing a crime. Those manned helicopters are hellishly expensive to operate. These small camera drones could take the place of those helicopters most of the time.

In addition, smaller cities usually can't afford manned helicopters, or pay a larger jurisdiction to operate them when necessary. Again, these small camera drones would add capabilities to those smaller departments, at a small fraction of the cost of operating manned helicopters.

If anyone can't see how such devices would be useful in a wide variety of situations, then they're not really thinking about it very hard. One missing child found would make it worthwhile. We have several a year in our city. Often, they're found by searchers, after they've wandered off somewhere. They might be found faster.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:47 AM

12. I have mixed feelings on the minidrones.

They have their uses, as you point out. But, I can also see how they can be abused. If the are going to be used to photograph private property, they damn well better have a warrant first.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:06 AM

14. Any technology can be abused. But think about it -

Although these mini-drones are less expensive to operate than manned helicopters, they are still expensive to operate. They will need a trained operator to fly them and another person at least. They're not easy to fly, by any means, so any given department is not going to have a surplus of trained operators. In addition, the mini-drones are expensive enough to purchase that they're not going to be deployed anytime they're not actually needed. Too much risk of damage.

As for the warrants, I believe such searches will involve warrants, except in the cases where warrants are not required for other police operations, such as fugitive searches, missing persons searches, etc. They will, of course, be used to watch protests and things like that. Right now, manned helicopters are in use for that, anyhow.

I do not anticipate that they will be used for any sort of random surveillance. Too expensive for that.

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Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:13 AM

15. More fun and games for the "what have you got to hide" crowd.




Law enforcement out of control. Just like Arpaio and his clones.





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