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arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 12:47 AM Mar 2013

the relationship between the delegitimization of structural identity

and the engendering of empowerment at least achieves the doubtful virtue of innocuousness.


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the relationship between the delegitimization of structural identity (Original Post) arely staircase Mar 2013 OP
Can you restate that in English? OffWithTheirHeads Mar 2013 #1
I feel this post is othering me kenny blankenship Mar 2013 #2
did you? arely staircase Mar 2013 #4
WTF? No WTF? option? n/t eridani Mar 2013 #3
i never use wtf. why? arely staircase Mar 2013 #10
Deep eridani Mar 2013 #12
+1 BainsBane Mar 2013 #18
other Kali Mar 2013 #5
That was rather a Random Thought tkmorris Mar 2013 #6
Both!!! We don't *do* innocuousness at DU, but we should! freshwest Mar 2013 #7
innocuousness is like arely staircase Mar 2013 #11
To posit such an ontological dichotomy as a phenomenological "real" may advance petronius Mar 2013 #8
perhaps it is reductionist arely staircase Mar 2013 #9
totally disagree Kalidurga Mar 2013 #13
a straw identity! arely staircase Mar 2013 #14
awesome Kalidurga Mar 2013 #17
and you seem to have been one of the few to "get" the whole thing arely staircase Mar 2013 #34
"...there is no such thing as a legitimate structural identity..." sibelian Mar 2013 #21
No more falsifiable than claim there are no pink unicorns... Kalidurga Mar 2013 #23
But the credibility of that analogous claim sibelian Mar 2013 #24
Actually, there is - BUT it's impossible for anyone jazzimov Mar 2013 #22
Outing OPs--Textual objectivism and subcultural narrative eridani Mar 2013 #15
like i tell my kids everyday arely staircase Mar 2013 #16
Did the philosophy group Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #19
Yes. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #29
Disagree. They are exact opposites. jazzimov Mar 2013 #20
word salad. lofty word salad, but still word salad. Orwell would have cali Mar 2013 #25
it isn't condescending arely staircase Mar 2013 #26
what does Orwell know? Uh, as anyone who's actually read his essays and novels cali Mar 2013 #30
this just gets better and better arely staircase Mar 2013 #32
I would say "doubtful virtue of vacuousness", but otherwise, yeah. nt bemildred Mar 2013 #27
these words don't mean anything datasuspect Mar 2013 #28
yes, yes and no eom arely staircase Mar 2013 #33
The fragmentation of realism is nearly obtuse in its morphology. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #31

petronius

(26,602 posts)
8. To posit such an ontological dichotomy as a phenomenological "real" may advance
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 01:41 AM
Mar 2013

an heuristic examination of socio-cultural discourse, but it is excessively reductionist to ignore the role of hybridity in the construction and performance of an n-dimensional, semi-chaotic, post-positivist epistemology...

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
13. totally disagree
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:02 AM
Mar 2013

there is no such thing as a legitimate structural identity. Therefore nothing is achieved by pretending to knock down such a structure that doesn't exist in the first place. But, it does happen quite often that when people do knock down such structures some people feel the need to build them back up and rage about it for decades on hate radio.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
21. "...there is no such thing as a legitimate structural identity..."
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:01 AM
Mar 2013

Ahhhh. But is that claim falsifiable?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
23. No more falsifiable than claim there are no pink unicorns...
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:03 AM
Mar 2013

flying around on the other side of the sun...

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
24. But the credibility of that analogous claim
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:34 AM
Mar 2013

would not ordinarily be in dispute. It's a straw unfalsifiability. !

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)
22. Actually, there is - BUT it's impossible for anyone
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:03 AM
Mar 2013

to actually know what it is. Outsiders don't have enough information to accurately assess other's identities. As for ourselves, no one is totally objective when it comes to assessing our own identity.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
15. Outing OPs--Textual objectivism and subcultural narrative
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:07 AM
Mar 2013
http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

In the works of Stone, a predominant concept is the concept of textual culture. Lyotard promotes the use of subcultural narrative to read sexual identity. In a sense, the fatal flaw, and some would say the rubicon, of subdialectic conceptualist theory which is a central theme of Stone’s Heaven and Earth emerges again in JFK, although in a more neostructuralist sense.

If one examines preconstructive discourse, one is faced with a choice: either reject cultural feminism or conclude that reality must come from the collective unconscious. Hamburger[1] holds that we have to choose between preconstructive discourse and semioticist theory. But subdialectic conceptualist theory states that the task of the observer is social comment.

If postcultural textual theory holds, the works of Stone are not postmodern. However, Reicher[2] implies that we have to choose between subcultural narrative and Lacanist obscurity.

The premise of preconstructive discourse states that art is used to entrench hierarchy. Thus, a number of theories concerning the paradigm of dialectic class exist.

The main theme of Prinn’s[3] analysis of subcultural narrative is not, in fact, depatriarchialism, but postdepatriarchialism. But the example of subdialectic conceptualist theory intrinsic to Stone’s Natural Born Killers is also evident in Platoon.




 

cali

(114,904 posts)
25. word salad. lofty word salad, but still word salad. Orwell would have
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 07:20 AM
Mar 2013

lit into you for this. Without context- and you provide none- your words are nothing more than pretentious garble.

Orwell's rules for writing:

1. Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.

2. Never use a long word where a short one will do.

3. If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.

4. Never use the passive where you can use the active.

5. Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.

http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit

And my observation:

The best writers are able to distill complex ideas into comprehensible language without condescending to their audience.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
26. it isn't condescending
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:40 AM
Mar 2013

condescending would be to use words like "pretentious garble."

Besides, I am changing the paradigm.

And what does Orwell know? Last I checked he's dead.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
30. what does Orwell know? Uh, as anyone who's actually read his essays and novels
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 10:08 AM
Mar 2013

knows, he knew a great deal. And he certainly knew a fuck of a lot about writing.

If you can't distill your op into a form that is comprehensible to your readers, that is YOUR failure.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
28. these words don't mean anything
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:52 AM
Mar 2013

the post is merely a display of poorly understood concepts mashed together to produce a feeble attempt at profundity.

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