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[AtomicKitten]

1. Classy.

[REP]

2. Pro-liars promote inequality and should be shouted down. The condoms were a bit too much I agree.

But shouting down a pro-liar? Shout on.

[pintobean]

9. But, why Occupy?

I don't see how this helps any of their goals. It's like the flag burning. It can only hurt, since a lot of the 99% are anti-choice.

[southernyankeebelle]

31. Maybe some might to be with the OWS. They might just be looking for trouble and want the OWS

to look bad. People need to weed these people out. They will hurt the cause.

[morningfog]

143. You don't understand Occupy.

They are an organization tool capable of involvement in many, many issues. At the core, they are against inequity. They are also against inequality and oppression. They are for personal freedom, as well.

[xfundy]

3. And how do we know they were really in OWS?

It could have been one or two tag-alongs, even pro-catholics trying to make OWS look bad.

"Some say" doesn't cut it.

[Yo_Mama]

24. Occupy Providence planned it and has a Facebook link up about it

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.290299321028954.72027.225025290889691&type=1

There were other pro-choice groups there - I don't think the Occupiers were necessarily the ones that threw condoms, and for the most part it seems to have been pretty peaceful.

[pintobean]

57. Thank you

I've added the link in the OP.

[Yo_Mama]

106. I really don't understand the big controversy here, though

This issue is always controversial. You'll never have a pro-life rally that isn't dogged by pro-choice protesters, and I would be very surprised if the reverse weren't true.

The condom throwing thing is hearsay - although the disruption of the speakers is not - but in neither case is it clear that OWS people were the majority participants in either.

I really disapprove of speakers at almost any rally being drowned out by those who don't like their speech, but it is a common tactic. There were only twenty or so Occupiers rallying against the pro-life rally, and there was surely a lot more opposition than that?

[Bluenorthwest]

135. No one disputes that they held a Pro Choice rally to counter an Anti Choice rally.

That link does not support anything the OP says, the OP quotes the Anti Choice leadership and the author is a well known right winger known for his work at 'The American Conservative'.
The Anti-Choice side, framed as heroic in this OP, held signs saying '"Stop the Obama Abortion Agenda" and "Defund Planned Parenthood". Those defending that group are defending those slogans. Anti Choice and Anti Obama slogans.
Two sides there. Clear sides.

[vaberella]

139. From what I can see...OWS doesn't need much help looking bad. n/t

[AngryAmish]

147. The No True Scotsman Network says they weren't with OWS

[napoleon_in_rags]

4. That's why so many people were telling Occupy to get a manifesto.

This is what we are about, this is what we aren't kind of thing. Without that some group, somewhere, whether insiders or outsiders, are going to do something way out there like this.

[EFerrari]

14. You mean, this kind of thing like spreading Faux News all over

the intertubes?

[napoleon_in_rags]

79. I don't understand, are you saying this is fake news?

Did you read the article? The backing up info on the sites? It doesn't mean deception and manipulation don't lay behind this to some degree, but that's why I'm saying its important to have a manifesto: Saying what is within the parameters of a movement and what's out of it.

[EFerrari]

86. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

There was no attack on Catholic school girls. Is that clear enough?

[napoleon_in_rags]

99. It's almost surprising there wasn't

What I'm talking about is how you need those binding resolutions of purpose to say when something is within or out of scope of a movement. I think the whole religious debate should be outside the scope of OWS. Its a movement about financial inequality. Without that focus it becomes too easy for someone to define it negatively. There are those who like wall street who wouldn't have a moral problem throwing a few condoms.

And remember, propaganda isn't about what they get you to believe, its about what they get you to believe other people believe. This story had zero effect on my opinion of OWS. OWS is to me, the expression of anger over financial corruption.

[EFerrari]

5. This version of the story is all over the right wing blogs. Thanks.

[Enrique]

6. story based on one source

is the story corroborated by any person other than the Executive Director of Rhode Island Right to Life?

[onehandle]

7. Jerks. nt

[EFerrari]

17. Who is the jerk? The one who believes the right wing bullshit

or the one who had nothing to do with it and won a day center for the needy in their town after months of negotiation?

Geezus, we can do better than this.

[SammyWinstonJack]

148. This

...or the one who had nothing to do with it and won a day center for the needy in their town after months of negotiation?

[notadmblnd]

8. Really? The church gave them a place to warm themselves

Then Occupy protesters thanked them by disrupting an event and throwing condoms at schoolgirls. Really?

I guess I'm just surprised that your article didn't say that the condoms were used.

Really? What could possibly have motivated these 2 dozen protesters to take that sort of action?

[Incitatus]

42. How do you know it was two dozen people throwing condoms and not just 1 provocateur in the crowd?

Is there a video?

[notadmblnd]

50. did you mean to reply to the OP or me?

read my post again, because I think the article is total bullshit brought to us by those that must not be named.

[pintobean]

51. Are Catholics allowed to take video

of flying condoms?



I'm joking, of coarse.

[Vattel]

10. This is bullshit.

They didn't target girls of the Catholic school variety. They threw condoms into the crowd at a pro-life rally. Because there were some Catholic school girls in the crowd, the distorted picture of throwing condoms at innocent children is presented and is even forwarded to DU. Pathetic.

[frylock]

29. you have people in this very thread eating this up like sugar-coated dog crap

[Vattel]

68. By the way, even I exaggerated the incident by saying "they."

Actually only one protester dumped one box of condoms onto the crowd below.

[LanternWaste]

170. As opposed to the corollary... eating sugar cubes with a crusty-coating of dog crap.

As opposed to the corollary... eating sugar cubes with a crusty-coating of dog crap.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

[pintobean]

72. How do you know that?

Do you have another source, or were you there? Don't get me wrong, I believe you; I would just like more info.

[MNBrewer]

11. Thanks for posting conservative propaganda

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/author/mbdougherty/

[renie408]

23. How are you any different than the typical FOX/Rush/Beck fan?

You don't want to hear anything that might be negative about YOUR side, true or not.

[frylock]

30. and how are you any different than the typical FOX/Rush/Beck fan?

you believe this shit outright, without any corrobaration whatsoever. this shit story comes from a biased source with an axe to grind.

[EFerrari]

37. What DU needs is a Mass Media 101 forum. n/t

[tabasco]

58. LOL.

Let's go back and look at some of your Libya posts, as examples.

[EFerrari]

59. Every single one. Go do it.

[EFerrari]

35. Um, we check the sourcing of a story?

Everything is not really everything, ya know?

lol

[MNBrewer]

160. I'm different because I consider the source

and I know there are lots of people on DU who would love to participate in destroying OWS.

And a FOX/Rush/Beck fan would race to embrace the unsubstantiated rumors posted by a conservative blogger. Hmm.... just like someone a little higher up in this thread.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Do you have a valid source for this?

Google news says: rightwing bullshit.

[pintobean]

15. Business Insider has been used as a source here

since the beginning of OWS. They've had very good coverage.

[Enrique]

20. do you think this article is good?

i think the problems are glaring. For one thing, it seems the only person who witnessed this event was the Executive Director of Providence Right to Life. Hes the sole source for this story and all the other stories posted on the web. Doesnt that strike you as odd?

[girl gone mad]

100. Business Insider is not the source.

The source is Michael Brendan Dougherty. In addition to its original content, Business Insider re-posts articles from various writers across the political spectrum. You should always check to see who the author actually is.

[EFerrari]

13. This is what the Faux News story is meant to cover up:

Occupy Providence unique for day center victory
January 29, 2012|Erika Niedowski, Associated Press

As Occupy Providence pulls up its last tent stake after more than 100 days in a public park downtown, it does so with a distinction among Occupy Wall Street affiliates: It demanded its city government do more to help the needy, and won.

A day center to serve the city’s homeless population during the winter opened Friday in south Providence. Protesters had made such a facility a condition of their departure from Burnside Park.

Many Occupy movements — in Boston, New York, Los Angeles, Oakland, Calif., and elsewhere — were forced out of public spaces, often through mass arrests and the use of sometimes excessive force. But Occupy Providence and city officials have talked for months about how to avoid that fate and bring a peaceful end to the park encampment, even as the protest movement carries on.

http://articles.boston.com/2012-01-29/news/30676412_1_protesters-day-center-park-encampment

Lmao. Go, Occupy Providence!

[pintobean]

16. Keep reading from your own source

The center, to be run by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Providence, welcomed its first guests Friday at Emmanuel House, where there is already an emergency winter shelter. The city is not providing money but is helping the diocese secure it, said Public Safety Commissioner Steven Pare, who kept in close contact with Occupy during its more than three-month encampment.

[EFerrari]

19. And?

Seriously, if you're going post stories here about Occupy, check your source because there has been and will be a lot of bullshit.

[sabrina 1]

111. And that's bad, how? Are people's needs going to be attended to as a result of Occupy?

And what was your headline all about? Occupy is bored with inequality?? Where is your source for that??

You don't have to support this movement. There is no requirement for that, but if you don't, then post your own reasons and don't post false information like this. Occupy is not only NOT bored with inequality they are more active than ever on the issue all over the world, which you would know if you were interested in the facts about this movement.

I think you should edit that headline, frankly.

Edited to say the source is far rightwinger Michael Brendan Dougherty. Now I am convinced you need to remove that headline.

[pintobean]

22. You've used this source several times.

I don't use fox news.

[pintobean]

32. No, you've used Business Insider as a source

for OPs about Occupy. A lot of people here have.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Actually not worth it

[EFerrari]

27. pintobean, don't feel bad.

Our media is thoroughly co-opted. That means we have to do more to check these stories. You aren't the first one by any means that posted something in good faith and the story turned out to be Faux. Not by a long shot.

[Enrique]

34. Business Insider is a content farm

like the Examiner. They dont have credibility of their own, though individual contributors might.

[woo me with science]

21. This is the new DU, huh?

What a shame.

[Cali_Democrat]

60. As of now, this post has ZERO recs

That's a good thing

[Ichingcarpenter]

122. Since we no longer have a down vote

I guess I have to post on a thread that is a worthless piece of shit

[Joe Shlabotnik]

26. No way that this story passes the smell test. This reeks of disinformation. n/t

[applegrove]

53. Reeks of a truthline. That the people who inspired this action were real Occupyers.

[Bonobo]

28. Please don't misunderstand. When I say you are a "tool", I don't mean

a male sex organ.

No, I mean you are a tool, willing or unwilling, of those trying to tarnish a movement, a popular movement aimed at reducing inequality, with shit.

Make no mistake, there are forces aimed at tarnishing it and since there is no leader, Ala Assange, to tarnish, they will find some examples of bad things that some small number of people are doing and they will try to tarnish them with that.

If they cannot find anything, they will MAKE it happen.

They are fortunate that they have accomplices in you who are happy to do the work of the 1% either intentionally or unintentionally.]

THAT makes you a tool.

Oh, and potential jury: I am NOT calling him a "penis". I am saying he is being used. A "tool" in that sense. DO not censor me.

[joshcryer]

38. +1

Good post.

Replying now in case you are censored, I do not think you are being insulting.

[Bonobo]

39. Much appreciated.

Happy to see we can find common ground from time to time.

[joshcryer]

43. Deep down there's a twisted consistency to my views. :P

Maybe one day I'll get people to take me off their ignore and give me a chance (glad you haven't put me on there, my list got bigger and I thought maybe you had).

[Bonobo]

46. No man, I can feel your heart through your posts.

I know it is in the right place.

[backscatter712]

45. ++

Right now, I'm in a meeting where we're talking about protesting bankster foreclosures, but there's quite a few people here at DU who will tolerate no Occupy talk except about flag-burning or anything from the 2% of dumbfucks that may or may not be actually part or Occupy that makes the movement looks bad.

[sudopod]

80. I used to think all that cointelpro stuff was in the same class of nonsense as

chemtrails and bigfoot. Now...it's hard to tell what is real and what isn't, which I guess it kind of the point.

[backscatter712]

98. COINTELPRO is well documented

The FBI used countless dirty tricks including provocateurs, burglaries and so on to disrupt anti-Vietnam-war protesters.

I have zero doubt the fuckers are doing the same shit to Occupy.

[pintobean]

49. I wouldn't alert on that

But it's definitely an insult.

[Warren Stupidity]

52. You still aren't perhaps just a wee bit uncertain about your op?

Really?

[pintobean]

61. Well sure

like any op/ed, there's bias. It's quite obvious. The fact is, Occupy was there protesting. I think that's stupid on their part.

[Warren Stupidity]

63. You have no idea at all what happened and your source is a pile of rw crap.

And you are sticking, clinging, to your stinky rw turd-sourced op, and wondering why people are being a bit tough on you.

[pintobean]

67. I'm not wondering anything like that.

I did add this, though.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.290299321028954.72027.225025290889691&type=1

It's not right wing.

[Bluenorthwest]

70. And that page shows the Pro Choice rally. Are you accusing them of holding a Pro Choice

rally? I see no school, no girls, not condoms, no one throwing condoms at school girls. The other side in this rally was not 'school girls' they were anti choice protesters.
And so you post a link that shows Pro Choice people. Is that what you think is so wrong?

[EFerrari]

77. And it doesn't support anything in your OP.

[pintobean]

81. The OP is not my words

but it does support the fact that they were there. I don't have a problem with them being there as individuals or members of a different group. I have a problem with them being there as Occupiers.

[EFerrari]

89. LOL! "They were there" is a far cry from

attacking Catholic school girls.

I've changed my mind. You should definitely feel bad about this thread.

[pintobean]

91. You seem to have some serious comprehention problems.

[Kaleko]

125. It's not comprehension problems.

It's backpedal intolerance.

[EFerrari]

169. No, there's nothing wrong with my comprehension

and you are posting right wing anti abortion crap to DU and defending it.

[Bluenorthwest]

92. The OP is the work of Michael Brendan Dougherty

former Associate Editor of The American Conservative. In 2009 he won the Robert Novak Journalism Fellowship at the Phillips Foundation. Their homepage is great!
http://www.thephillipsfoundation.org/#index.cfm


Phillips Foundation Fellowship

[Warren Stupidity]

140. classic

[suffragette]

83. Your source article extensively quotes a RW anti-choice leader

That there was a counter protest at the state house and that you posted a link about that does not negate the RW content of your source article.

[T S Justly]

33. Homeless have a place to go, now. Is the significance of that lost on the OP? (nt) (nr)

[SammyWinstonJack]

152. It is and that's a shame. Anything to smear OWS, I suppose.

[gopiscrap]

36. sound like bullshit to me!

[suffragette]

40. Wow - a hit piece with extensive quotes from an anti-choice "executive director of Rhode Island

Right to Life" complete with such faux-substantive complaints as "they smell so bad."

This is beyond scraping the bottom of the barrel to post this on DU.

[EFerrari]

41. Occupy Providence negotiated a day center

as a condition of leaving their park. That's the win that is been occluded here.

[suffragette]

56. Agree that's a large part of this.

The other part is that this "report" looks to be making the rounds of the RW ant-choice and Drudge sites and is being posted here on DU uncritically.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/769231/r.i._occupiers_counterprotest_anti-choicers,_anti_choicers_flip_out,_cry_%22alinsky!%22/

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. EEEK!! Condoms!! If anyone should be embarrassed it should be the pro-preggers.

If the church was really against abortion they should be handing out condoms.

[unionworks]

47. Occupy isn't going away

To satisfy the wishful thinking of a handful of detractors on DU. Get over it.

[JackRiddler]

48. "But we spoke to Barth Bracy, executive director of Rhode Island Right to Life, who was there."

The sole cited source for this story is the anti-abortion leader who helped organize the protest that was met with an Occupy counter-protest.

The sole cited source for this story is the anti-abortion leader who helped organize the protest that was met with an Occupy counter-protest.

The sole cited source for this story is the anti-abortion leader who helped organize the protest that was met with an Occupy counter-protest.

And even from this person, you can see that OWS did a bang-up job!

"They started spreading themselves out - they didn't do anything until all of them got through the security chekcpoint. They brought their cardboard signs. They don't push you. They just stand so close they make you feel uncomfortabe because they smell so bad."

Dirty hippies! Grrrrrrr!

"And that's when the condoms started coming down," Bracy said, before rushing to tell us that they were "unused."

Free birth control. This is quite generous of them.

"It really was mayhem, is what it was," Bracy said.

Mayhem! AAAAAAA! Help!

"I remember the Savings and Loans scandals. People went to jail. I thought Ocuppy Wall Street was about that. Having investigations. But this is the first time they are speaking clearly about an issue and they're standing up for abortion and using blackshirt tactics," Bracy said, referring to Moussilini's early and racous fascist movement.

First time they speak! Ever! And they go and bother the nice anti-abortion protest! Fascists, I tell you!

pintobean, you should be soooo embarrassed to be pimping this pack of self-discrediting spin. You should be humble. Ready to apologize and do better next time.

[pintobean]

55. Thank you for your concern.

[Luminous Animal]

76. I heart you!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

93. Spot on!

The usual suspects are at it again.

[pintobean]

95. You keep using that term

Again, please, what are we suspected of?

[tkmorris]

119. Posting that fable in your OP?

Although in this case suspicion is not necessary, I think it's pretty clear that the story is false. Why would you want to stand behind it anyway? Just do the proper mea culpa and move on.

[patrice]

54. Oh c'mon, like no posers have ever figured out how to stage political theater?

The Occupy movement does not control the actions of independent persons who are not a part of the Occupy's decision making GA process, whether those persons call themselves Occupy or not. If they do, perhaps they should be asked to produce the minutes of all their GAs, or at least video, in order to demonstrate who they are and how they function.

[pintobean]

64. Check the 2nd link in the OP

I recently added it.

[Bluenorthwest]

66. That link shows photos of a pro-choice rally. None of the crap in your OP is shown

on that page at all. Do you think it is wrong to hold a Pro Choice rally? Why? Done many myself, and that one looks tame compared to some.

[pintobean]

69. "Occupy Providence counter protests the 'right to life' rally"

I'm wondering why. It seems counterproductive to Occupy's goals. It has nothing to do with the 1% vs the 99%.

I have no problem with pro-choice rallies or flag burnings. I just think its stupid for Occupy to do these things.

[Bluenorthwest]

74. Why? Women are not the 99%? You are in charge of what others do with their

right to speech? Characterizing a Pro Choice rally countering an Anti Choice rally as 'Bored protesters throwing condoms at Catholic School Girls' and using as your only source the organizer of the ANTI Choice rally is disgusting. Horrid. Then when others call you on it, you post this link, implying that Occupy is saying 'This is us throwing condoms at school girls when we got bored'. Shitty.
Using the right to lifers as your source of information is what I think is stupid.

[pintobean]

75. lol.

[Bluenorthwest]

82. Yeah, I'm sure you are laughing as the entire DU community tells you you and your

sources are full of right wing crap. Your tactics are dishonest in the OP and in the thread, and many people are telling you that.
Now you add pure rudeness to your tawdry routine. It does not help. I hope all of DU reads this thread, clicks all of your links and gets to know you in depth.

[pintobean]

87. I wasn't trying to be rude

I was being honest. I actually did laugh out loud at your characterization. I usually just roll my eyes at your posts, but this one was just so ridiculous, I busted up.

[frylock]

94. you're getting your ass kicked up and down this thread..

this is time to mix in a little humility rather than continue to dig in your heels.

[pintobean]

96. Really?

I should be a conformist? Thanks for your concern.

[frylock]

175. keep digging, sport..

this has nothing to do with conformity. it's about having the character to admit when you're wrong; something that you clearly lack. whatever "credibility" you may have enjoyed here is now shot to shit. and yeah, i know you don't care. and you know what? i don't give a shit that you don't care.

getting. your. ass. kicked.

[Bluenorthwest]

97. Yes I can tell that you are rolling your eyes and feeling as though you 'won' this thread

in which no one agreed with you, many rejected your sources as right wing crap. Yet I am the one who should feel insufficient and incorrect? Get real.
All that I said is exactly true. And I am not the only one telling you that here tonight. You should delete your OP, it is that rotten. Your defense of it is worse.

[pintobean]

101. I don't think I've won anything

Is it a contest? I didn't realize. As to how you feel, I really don't care. I'm not trying to make you feel anything. I just gave you an honest opinion of your posts.

I'll leave the OP. I think deleting it would be cowardly and unfair to you and everyone else who posted here.

[girl gone mad]

109. You've allowed your hatred for OWS to cloud your judgement and reason.

Yet again.

[pintobean]

110. I don't hate ows

I disagree with a lot of their tactics. You don't grow a movement by continually and needlessly pissing off large segments of the population.

[Bluenorthwest]

134. Ok. Here is what one of the signs held by the Anit Choice group you are promoting

here. Is this something YOU agree with? If not, why are you promoting this group as some wronged speakers of the truth?
Here's what the group you quote has on their signs:
"Stop the Obama Abortion Agenda"

So that is the message of the group you are defending and promoting here. Disgusting.

[pintobean]

136. Where did I defend and promote any such thing?

I didn't. But you know that. This is why I usually roll my eyes at your posts. You don't let facts get in the way of your spin.

[Bluenorthwest]

163. You defend the post and the author and the source up and down this thread.

You know that. Anyone who can read the thread knows that. The OP and your posts in thread are disgraceful and dishonest and that is not just my opinion, it is clearly the consensus of DU. It is you who made an OP out of fact free right wing propaganda.
Did you see the signs held on the side you paint as hapless school girls? 'Stop the Obama Abortion Agenda'. That's the side you are claiming was so deeply wronged. That's the message you think Occupy should not counter. I hugely disagree with you.
Now make some more snarky comments. I'm sure that's making your case look good to those reading. Say 'roll my eyes' again. Feel free.
You posted right wing trash, and got told what others think. Your posts in this thread stand for all to read. And read they will.

[Luminous Animal]

78. Access to safe and effective birth control AND abortions has quite a bit to do with economic

equality for women.

[EFerrari]

85. So, do you have no problem with pro choice rallys or do you think

counter proetesting right to life nutcases is stupid?

It can't be both.

[pintobean]

90. Did you actually read the post you replied to?

I think it's stupid for Occupiers to do it as Occupiers.

[EFerrari]

171. So, you think it's stupid for Occupy to publicly defend women's rights?

[Broderick]

172. Initially the intent of the Tea Party was one thing, and it was co-opted by the religious fringe and

far right so the message became watered down in the nature of politics to many things on the Republican side only. It was supposed to be non political (hmmm) and all inclusive. I think OWS was the same in many ways in the beginning. Not Republican. Not Democratic. The original message was the 1% and the inequality of all Americans in the 99%. At least that is the way I took it. Now it has expanded and it is becoming more a Democratic group and is morphing into many different areas and causes. Good? I am not sure. I like the original intention and the laser focus on injustice in the income disparity in America, and the wall street theft from everyone. Just the way I see it. I think it is a great movement. Again, I don't know if it's good or bad that many ideals on the left are being focused on now in the movement as it carries on.

[EFerrari]

173. I don't know where you get the idea OWS is morphing into a Dem group.

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And defending women's abortion rights is precisely fighting injustice. My right to choose doesn't belong to the Democratic party.

[Broderick]

174. I am not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree.

But, I am talking about the movement OWS. Away from just the original intention as I saw it. A laser focus on Wall Street and what they are doing to the 99% of Americans. Even the name is indicative of that. Traditionally, Democrats are far more in line with defending Abortion rights, but that has nothing to do with the original intent of Occupy Wall Street. I am not saying it is a bad thing that OWS is bringing other important topics to the forefront and addressing other issues, typically and traditionally Democratically supported things. I am really unsure is all. Does it have to be mutually exclusive? Does it water down the movement's message? Does it alienate support? I really don't know. I don't believe this crap about throwing condoms and shit, and even if so, what's the big deal. Listening to George Carlin on Abortion right now. He is spot on. Good stuff.

[Warren Stupidity]

137. the truth starts to emerge

[patrice]

102. How does any of that prove that this was an action that achieved consensus in an Occupy GA?

[Bluenorthwest]

65. Wow, that 'article' you link to is a one sided anti-choice hit piece. Disgusting

Really amazed that anyone on DU or in their right minds could read that as anything other than slanted right wing crap.
Another lower low for the moral panic squadron. The OP should self delete this trash.

[Vattel]

73. It is amazing that this sort of distortion is tolerated.

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Even the source of the story claims only that ONE person dumped a box of condoms from a balcony at a pro-life rally. Even if that is true, we are talking about one person, and I have seen no evidence that schoolgirls were somehow specifically targeted. The videos of the event show a crowd that is a mix of adults and young people, mostly adults. The author of the OP should be ashamed.

[lonestarnot]

71. Whatever. I'm still part of the 99%. I don't give a fuck what they did or didn't do.

[boxman15]

84. I will continue to support Occupy's ideals (ending inequality)

But, they've been co-opted by anarchists, libertarians, and those that just want to cause trouble. It's been increasingly obvious over the past few months. I can't support those who just want to cause trouble.

Occupy is now about itself, not about the issues. It's a damn shame.

[EFerrari]

88. No, they haven't. This story is bullshit. Read the thread

before you pronounce.

Good grief.

[Summer Hathaway]

108. Precisely.

"Occupy is now about itself, not about the issues."

And I agree that it is a damned shame.

[Kaleko]

118. It surely is a crying shame.

Pete, a distant relative of mine in Florida, has expressed much of the same.

Here he is. I've suggested a therapist.

[Summer Hathaway]

120. Wow!

What an insightful, well thought-out, articulate response.

May I share it with others?

[Kaleko]

121. Don't hesitate.

It's very edifying, if I may say so myself.

[Summer Hathaway]

123. Edifying?

Not in the slightest - although you did just say so yourself.

[Kaleko]

126. Does that mean you won't spread

my post about uncle Pete far and wide?

I thought you liked it

[Summer Hathaway]

128. I not only posted your Uncle Pete piece

on my FB page, I started an FB group just for him.

So far, zero 'likes', zero 'friends' - but I'm sure things will pick up as people understand the overwhelming importance of your message.

[Kaleko]

130. Give it time and make sure

you put uncle Pete in context. It demoralizes him when he's misunderstood.

[Summer Hathaway]

131. I plan to be gentle

where Uncle Pete is concerned. I know no other way to be.

[sabrina 1]

112. Did you read this thread? The headline of this OP is from far rightwinger Michael Brendan Dougherty

Occupy had nothing to do with this. What they did do was to find a place for the homeless with the help of the Catholic Bishop. Please read before you accept anything that appears on DU these days regarding OWS. DU has lost all credibility on the issue of OWS so I would suggest that anything you see here from now on, you double check with more credible sources. What a shame, and to think we were among the first to support this movement with real sources that could be counted on.

[tiny elvis]

103. who else got here by googling priest+condoms+catholic+schoolgirls+victory?

this is some hardcore stuff

[pintobean]

104. Now that was a good laugh

thank you.

[suffragette]

107. There is a brief video showing signs from the opposing groups

Among the signs carried by the anti-choice group whose views are the ones represented in the article you quote, two particularly caught my eye:

"Defund Planned Parenthood" and

"Stop the Obama Abortion Agenda"


The signs carried by the pro-choice counter protesters were all for women's right to access health care as far as I could see.


I think that speaks volumes about the intent of each of these groups, especially since the the 2nd sign I referenced also had the imprint of the Right to Life group for which the most quoted person in your article works.

http://news.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/2012/01/protesters-disr.html

[sabrina 1]

113. Good research as always, suffragette. Too bad the OP did not take the trouble to check his

sources. Or now that he knows they are from the far right, correct the headline, which is absolutely false and should have been a warning that the source was very questionable and needed to be checked.

[suffragette]

116. Agree with that

There has been ample evidence that the source for this is RW and plenty of opportunity here for the OP to rethink the posting of this.

[Rex]

115. Very interesting. Thanks.

[suffragette]

117. Glad to help

[MFrohike]

114. Did this even happen?

I've found maybe 5-6 sources from googling that mention condom throwing and one is the above link. None, with the exception of the above and Fox, are sources I know. However, the Providence Journal has two stories regarding the rally, including video, and there's no mention of condom throwing.

http://news.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/2012/01/protesters-disr.html

[Warren Stupidity]

141. what would the actual local professional news organization know?

The OP is standing by the rw smear he posted. He even added an additional link that proves nothing at all about his original hit job on OWS.

[ZombieHorde]

124. The second link contradicts the condom throwing claim.

Occupy Providence hey guess what like i've been saying since last thursday, it wasn't any members of OP/OWS that was throwing condoms on people. i was there and i know for a fact that no member of OP/OWS did what fox news is saying we did. (ms)

[pintobean]

145. Thank you

I skimmed through the comments, but I missed that. It looks like there's a little bit of truth in this account, but it's buried under a huge mound of bullshit.

I added the second link because it shows that occupy was actually there. Some were suggesting that that might be bs, as well.

[ZombieHorde]

162. I see, and you're welcome.

Attempting to gain truth, even when it is ugly, is a worthy endeavor in my opinion.

[alp227]

127. If these occupiers really threw condoms there'd at least be photos or video

I read a lifesitenews article about the alleged incident and see NO photos of such an action that the right to life activist alleges. Hmm.

[Warren DeMontague]

129. And they "smelled bad", to boot!

Something smells bad, all right- It's this fucking story. Excuse me if I don't get all weepy right now for occupiers disrupting an anti-choice protest.

[inna]

132. low and disgusting. revolting post, really.

"welcome to the new DU"

[Warren Stupidity]

138. Oh I alerted on it - I haven't heard back and the post is still up,

so a random 6 had no problem with an OP posting rw smears here on DU.

I heard back:

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Feb 2, 2012, 10:47 PM, and voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Oh well... rw smears are fine now.

[MattBaggins]

144. The jury system needs some work

People should have to pass a test before being on one. Some folks think the Jury is about whether they like or agree with something rather than a defined set of rules

[Marrah_G]

150. I don't alert on anything now

It does no good.

Hurray for DU3!

[sabrina 1]

178. I alerted also. Didn't even get an acknowledgement. I'm not familiar with how the alert

system works as it is very, very rare for me to alert on anything, but for any DUer to use this trash, especially the headline which is completely false and should have been a clue to the OP, prompted me to something very rare for me. I got zero acknowledgement of the alert, maybe it isn't working or maybe the posting of far right, anti-women, anti-progressive democratic prinicples is now acceptable here.

[Warren Stupidity]

179. this sort of stuff is the only thing I will alert on, for the most part.

[pacalo]

133. This isn't what Occupy is all about & I call b.s. on whoever is peddling those

assumptions as factual.

[EFerrari]

142. The right wing headline is actually funny. Who do you have to be to not get that

fighting to keep reproductive choice is precisely fighting inequality?

[marmar]

146. This blurb is quite questionable, with no sources to back it up.....

...... and the headline on the OP is worse than the blurb.

[Marrah_G]

149. I'm saddened to see this type of slanted article on DU

[morningfog]

151. This is one of the beauties of the Occupy movement.

It is not a monolith national organization headed by a CEO or individual who can make wide-reaching decisions to not get involved in issues that local Occupy's care about. The protest seen on the facebook page was planned and organized by the local group during a general assembly as all decisions are.

Occupy Providence cares about a woman's right to choose. Good for them. And good for taking a stand.

I question some of the details in the Business Insider article, but support this action and Occupy. Occupy is a nimble local organization ready on short notice to carry out direct actions on a wide range of important issues.

[pintobean]

153. Thank you

for a thoughtful discussion. At least you understand the point of the post and addressed it for what it is. Most people just attacked me, as if I had written it.
I disagree that Occupy should get involved in the abortion issue, but you (and at least one other) make a reasonable case for it.

[marmar]

156. "Most people just attacked me, as if I had written it."

That tends to happen when you post a smearing blog post with no veracity.

[EFerrari]

168. Of course they should be involved in protecting women's right.

And the point of the article you posted here was to belittle Occupy, not to discuss it or you wouldn't have chosen an article from the point of view of the rabid right.

[MineralMan]

155. This seems badly sourced. Without some corroboration,

I'm very skeptical of it.

[pintobean]

159. I agree. As you've said before

this is GD, not LBN. It's up for discussion and separating fact from fiction. It looks like the condom throwing wasn't done by Occupiers.

[Bluenorthwest]

161. All through the thread you defended the source and when others pointed out the

author's history and the right wing nature of his work, you either snarked or ignored them or went on and on telling us how respected the source is, and that others use the same source. It was repeatedly pointed out to you that the author is highly slanted, offers no proof of his allegations and that he quotes only the Leaders of the Right to Life rally, who were there holding anti- Obama signs and signs calling for defunding Planned Parenthood, on the day of the Komen crap.
Lots of posts in defense of your source and many long after the facts were put in the spotlight for you to see. More than one person asked you to take this down and admit it is right wing memes. The thread is here for all to read.

[suffragette]

166. + 1,000

[Cali_Democrat]

176. Throwing shit on the wall hoping it sticks?

Fail.

[bullwinkle428]

157. Right. And Michael Steele was victimized by a tsunami of Oreo cookies.

[myrna minx]

158. This thread is shameful. I find peddling RW anti-choice "sourced" BS to smear Occupy especially

after the Komen/PP fiasco to be just shameful.

[Bluenorthwest]

164. The Anti Choice group quoted in the OP held signs saying 'Defund Planned Parenthood'

and 'End the Obama Abortion Agenda'. Shameful is the word.

[sabrina 1]

177. I guess that's okay now, to post far right anti-choice people on DU. I alerted on this thread

one of my very, very rare alerts, but got nothing in return. So I take it peddling rightwing anti-choice links is okay now.

[_ed_]

165. Well, then obviously the 1% is right

and now I'll go back to being a good consumer for my corporate overlords. Because, if one person in a movement does something negative, it means that the entire movement is bad and their arguments are all invalid.

Viva la rich! Go 1%

[Rex]

167. Whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

Riiiggggghhht. Another sad thread. Very much a letdown. Oh well, guess I should get over it.

[pintobean]

180. Self deleting

It has died out and the only members posting are the ones complaining and can't let go. Thanks to all who replied.