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As the Senate prepares to take up a comprehensive gun violence prevention plan later this month, gun advocates have amped up their already inflammatory rhetoric against any additional gun regulations. Ahead of President Obamas visit to Colorado on Wednesday to promote the measure, one local gun organization promised to give him and other Democrats a hostile welcome.
In an interview with NPR, former NRA lobbyist and founder of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners Dudley Brown compared deer hunting season with election season, when gun owners would be free to hunt Democrats:
Brown complains universal background checks are just a step towards identifying gun owners so the government can seize their weapons, and he calls the 15-bullet limit on ammunition clips arbitrary. Hes promising political payback in next years election that could cost Colorado Democrats their majorities.
I liken it to the proverbial hunting season, Brown says. We tell gun owners, theres a time to hunt deer. And the next election is the time to hunt Democrats.
The analogy between elections and hunting is a favorite among conservatives; former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin was widely condemned for her websites map placing crosshairs over vulnerable Democratic districts in 2010.
Brown left the NRA in the 1990s because he felt the NRA was kissing up to politicians. The NRA, at the time, blasted Rocky Mountain Gun Owners as an extreme right gun group and called Brown the Al Sharpton of the gun movement for his inflammatory approach. Since then, the NRA has been pulled much farther to the right and is much more aligned with the extreme beliefs of RMGO. Both the NRA and RMGO believe there is a UN conspiracy to take away guns. The NRA and Republican lawmakers have warned of tyranny and compared Obama to Hitler and Stalin.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/04/03/1815171/head-of-gun-organization-time-to-hunt-democrats/
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Even after a tragedy like Newton we still can't limit the sizes of magazines and we might not even be able to get stricter background checks in.
Bryant
JoeBlowToo
(253 posts)He just might be surprised at how many Democrats are armed.
librechik
(30,957 posts)dothemath
(345 posts)If you want to hit him in his little scaredy cat heart, take away his right to have a gun for making death threats against innocent people.
JoeBlowToo
(253 posts)I lost my head for a moment.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)So, if he wants to take a chance and come after us, well he might get a surprise. Because we have actually had training on how to use them and we don't need 15 rounds to be effective.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)our "Pro-Gun """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""Progressives""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" will soundly denounce this lunatic, because they do not, I repeat DO NOT share his views, nope, not at all.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)Meanwhile, people make threats like this and never see the inside of a prison cell.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)The 2nd Amendment will be used against them to quell any armed rebellion. Stupid idiots.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Just ask that old Grand Cyclops Jesse Helms.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Man jokes about Bush - 3 years in Prison. Man with gun threatens Obama - No Problem.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/437
kurtzapril4
(1,353 posts)Thank you!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)
WE tried to tell everybody.
PS: Some that weren't written then:
Know your BFEE: Siegelman Judge is a big-time War Profiteer
Know your BFEE: WikiLeaks Stratfor Dump Exposes Continued Secret Government Warmongering
Know your BFEE: John Roberts earned his Sgt. Pepper stripes as an Iran-Contra cover-up artiste.
Know your BFEE: David Vitter was pampered by the DC Madam
Henry Paulson, Banker to the BFEE
It's like a hobby, hoping for Justice. Thanks for asking, kurtzapril4.
kurtzapril4
(1,353 posts)your hard work! It's really good reading!
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)I remember that well.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Just don't smoke a joint while doing it.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)BanzaiBonnie
(3,621 posts)I've fervently stood up for all rights guaranteed by the Constitution... until this point.
It's people like that, saying things like that, that set off people who are mentally unstable to shoot 'em up. I'm tired of people saying things that spur the crazies to action.
Socal31
(2,491 posts)DinahMoeHum
(23,599 posts)n/t
fredamae
(4,458 posts)Privileges..imo. Period.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...Bulls eyes, lock and load, hunting season...on and on and on. Their fetsh for killing and pretending to kill and hoping to kill and dreaming of killing didn't start recently
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Desperately spouting dog whistles in hopes of accomplishing, what?
nxylas
(6,440 posts)I believe that's the answer to your (rhetorical) question, though of course the guy will deny it fervently ("All that talk of SHOOTING DEMOCRATS was just a metaphor for defeating them at the ballot box. I never meant for anyone to actually go out and SHOOT DEMOCRATS"
.
magellan
(13,257 posts)If he's willing to make inflammatory remarks like that, it's impossible to know where common sense might kick in...if at all.
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:51 AM - Edit history (1)
The politics of gun control are very different between urban and rural areas. Gun control is an effective wedge issue for the rw, as the shrill voices of extremists drown out the actual moderate positions taken by state democratic parties. Gun control advocates risk alienating long standing democrats with their nonsensical arguments based on emotion and devoid of any sense of history, law, or culture.
Appropriate gun laws for a democrat in Montana, are very different from what is appropriate for a democrat in NY. We need to maintain a tent big enough to accommodate both.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Can you even say that with straight face?
Here's some history for you...
How many gun deaths are in the US every year?
In 2011, the latest figure available from the Centers for Disease Control,
Accidental discharge 851
Suicide 19,766
Homicide 11,101
Undetermined Intent 222
Total: At least 31940 people died from gun injuries in 2011.
Also 258 people were killed during legal intervention, most of them due to guns.
Guns were involved, but were not the primary cause of death:
-in 2 fatal accidents.
-in 6 homicides.
Previous years:
2010 31,328 people
2009 31,177 people
2007 31,224 people
2004 29,569 people
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gun_deaths_are_in_the_US_every_year
Homicides by Weapon Used, 2000-2008
Totals, 2000-2008 % of total
Handguns 65,581 51%
Rifles 3,791 3%
Shotguns 4,356 3%
Other firearm not specified or type unknown 820 1%
Firearms, type not stated 11,564 9%
Firearm subtotals 86,112 66%
Knives or cutting instruments 16,547 13%
Blunt Objects 5,782 4%
Personal Weapons 8,220 6%
Poison 106 0%
Explosives 43 0%
Fire 1,093 1%
Narcotics 408 0%
Drowning 150 0%
Strangulation 1,281 1%
Asphyxiation 948 1%
All other 9,051 7%
All other weapons subtotals 43,629 34%
Total, all types: 129,741 100%
http://sbcoalition.org/2011/04/gun-violence-and-the-census-sobering-statistics/
30,000 firearm deaths a year every year, and 66% of all homicides are by firearm.
So, please tell us again why "we" should think gun control doesn't make sense?
jmg257
(11,996 posts)8,775 Firearm Murders a Year in US, Equiv. of 290 in UK
Posted on 01/10/2013
Number of Murders, United States, 2010: 12,996
Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2010: 8,775
Number of Murders, Britain, 2011*: 638
(*Since Britains population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,095 US murders)
Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2011*: 58(*equivalent to 290 US murders)
In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 30 times fewer than in the US per capita.
http://www.juancole.com/2013/01/firearm-murders-equiv.html
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I'm not aware of any prominent liberals or gun control advocate that have views that could possibly be called "extremist". The measures they are advocating -- assault weapons ban, universal background checks, magazine capacity limits -- all poll over 50%, even in most red states (e.g. most Texans support the AWB).
As with many issues, the politicians are to the right of the people on gun control. If anything, the measures proposed by gun control advocates don't go far enough.
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)My experience is living in San francisco and spending a lot of time in Nevada 4 hours away. The two states could not be more different when it comes to guns, gun rights and culture. If you want to lose Harry Reid go ahead and ban ugly rifles and high cap mags.
No one wants to address the problem that one size does not fit all on this issue. Until solutions are looked at from a realistic context of regional differences this issue will only divide the party and give the rw a wedge issue to tear us apart.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)And I don't mean some no-name blogger. Can you think of a single gun control advocate whose views can be logically called extreme? Everything they are calling for polls over 50%. The opposite of extreme. The only extremists here are people who oppose universal background checks.
You could make the same argument in favor of caving to Republicans on any number of issues. Yes, red state Democrats are more conservative than Blue state Dems. No kidding. Not just on guns, but across the board: gay marriage, Obamacare, taxes, etc.
Personally, I think Dems should stand of for progressive policies, particularly in cases where the polls are in their favor.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Kewl story bro!
Must be the biggest PILE I've read today in a long time!
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,459 posts)"by state democrat parties"
It's democratic.
Belated welcome to DU.
It's so nice to have DUers who have been members since 2009 come out of the shadows, make all their posts in the last 90 days and post pro-gun views.
Welcome!
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)Thanks for the welcome and the correction.
Check out My journal: I have a lot of interesting posts:
Peace
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Kingofalldems
(40,273 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Thanks for your post. Really 4 years of lurking and now plunge right in. Of course everyone does that, especially with gun posts!
IKR?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)My god, what a fucking stupid post. Listen, sparky, if anyone is "SHRILL", it's gun humpers who can't bear to be separated from their little Precious.
Kingofalldems
(40,273 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)gunfreaks. Already a few of 'em tagged for threatening politicians.
They give a whole new meaning to the term '"law-abiding" gun owner'.
Atleast when their revolt starts, the President will know where to send the 1st drone.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)... that's one reason they're allowed to think they're getting away with their swagger. So our side can keep easier track of them.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)including having the Senator Angus King's vote when a 60th is needed, solely because of Mike.
BTW, Mike gave NYC a major gift in getting Jimmy Fallon to host the Tonight show IN NYC
for the first time in 40 years.
Thousands of union jobs to NYC that is 100% solely due to Mike Bloomberg extending the motion picture/tv tax to an older show.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)And make them realize in short time, the private citizens guns and bullets shall be history.
all it will take is the retirement of ONE Scotus of the five to swing the court and reinterpret the 2nd.
dairydog91
(951 posts)No coyness at all, just straight-up "Let's lock up our political opponents, steal all their money, and punish anyone who even thinks of supporting them!" Wonderfully honest sentiment, though I personally think it sounds a lot better with a snappy uniform and a Prussian accent.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)The majority rules.
the NRA can no longer be dictator/blackmailer/and threat to life.
The same rightwing terrorism killed Dr. Tiller in the church to further their political point of view.
And many extremists protected the killer for weeks later.
Guns are WMD. Guns kill 35 a day, wound 100s, ruin the lives of millions and their day is ending.
Why does one more person have to die from a private citizen(like or not like Zimmerman) taking away people who tomorrow might cure cancer?
to paraphrase Paul Simon "mama gonna take your guns and bullets away", the quicker the better.
HOW MANY MORE MUST DIE from guns/bullets in the hands of private citizens?
and it's a people wellness movement. not state.
the state=NRA
the terrororistic authoritiarian=NRA
the bullies-the private citizens with firepower to kill those against them(aka the NRA is the bully).
dairydog91
(951 posts)They advocate legal possession of things. That is not terrorism by any definition of that term.
the state=NRA
The NRA is a state? The NRA is a government? The NRA is a nation-state?
It's still fun to watch you be a cheerleader for declaring political advocacy groups and their supporters to be "terrorists". Nope, nothing could possibly go wrong with declaring your political opponents to be Enemies of the State.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)ONE
one vote change and guns/bullets are history, making every NRA soundbyte obsolete.
The NRA will be the Obsolete Man.
dairydog91
(951 posts)The idea that people will be locked up and their assets stolen if they advocate unpopular laws is genuinely disgusting, thoroughly incompatible with basic notions of free speech and liberal republicanism, and tends towards outright evil.
curlyred
(1,879 posts)Get a grip. Overwhelming support, upwards of 90%. Just because YOU and those NRA fascists don't like it doesn't make it unpopular.
dairydog91
(951 posts)I was talking about how Graham4Authoritarianism was advocating locking up NRA members because they were advocating for unpopular things.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)They're no different than al Qaeda.
dairydog91
(951 posts)Gosh, I think I can see a difference between those two things! Must be my commie ACLU brain playing tricks on me.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The only real difference is that one does it for religion, and the other for commerce.
dairydog91
(951 posts)Actually carrying out physical acts is. Wayne Lapierre could have personally masturbated to images of the Newtown shooting and that would still not constitute "terrorism".
Al Qaeda plans and carries out violent acts for the purpose of coercing people through terror. The NRA is a political advocacy group which pushes for laws which it thinks are desirable, and does so through legal means. The first is engaged in terrorism, the second is not.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)That's the definition law enforcement uses. And the NRA & the RW gun weirdos certainly fit that definition.
dairydog91
(951 posts)2. the act of terrorizing
3. the state of being terrorized
Advocating "X should be legal" meets none of those definitions. Thank goodness SCOTUS adopted First Amendment standards which get rid of a lot of this Red-Scare/sedition/incitement crap. Advocating for the legality/illegality of something is not terrorism, unless you adopt the wildly expansive notion that "Advocating anything that scares me is terrorism" angle. Which I don't. Democracy has always had its share of harsh rhetoric. Try evaluating whether or not someone is actually making a credible threat against a specific target, instead of howling "TERRAH" when someone uses a nasty metaphor.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)It meets **YOU OWN** definition.
dairydog91
(951 posts)Using aggressive rhetoric, no matter how much it causes a case of the vapors, does not qualify as "intimidation" such that the speech would be unprotected. It is protected. Fully. If some histrionic prosecutor tried to bring charges for intimidation, his case would be laughed out of court. If you want to use such a broad definition of terrorism that it includes rough words, then I suppose that's your prerogative. Just don't be surprised when courts start throwing out all those "terroristic" speech cases.
factsarenotfair
(910 posts)Stochastic Terrorism: Triggering the shooters.
by G2geekFollow .
Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to stir up random lone wolves to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable.
This is what occurs when Bin Laden releases a video that stirs random extremists halfway around the globe to commit a bombing or shooting.
This is also the term for what Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and others do. And this is what led directly and predictably to a number of cases of ideologically-motivated murder similar to the Tucson shootings.
...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/01/10/934890/-Stochastic-Terrorism-160-Triggering-the-shooters
dairydog91
(951 posts)Current Free Speech doctrine protects lots of "incendiary" speech, and doesn't remove protection until the speech is aimed at inciting "imminent lawless action." That is a hard test to meet; the speaker pretty much has to be directing people to commit specific acts of violence in the near future. Vague, tribalistic notions that a incendiary speech is somehow "stirring up" shadowy members of an amorphously-defined group does not allow that speech to be punished. Good thing, too; people in this very thread are basically advocating a Team Blue version of an old Freeper Canard: "Anyone who denounces the war on Iraq is encouraging terrorists to keep fighting 'Murica! Lock them up for sedition!"
factsarenotfair
(910 posts)dairydog91
(951 posts)"They used a scary metaphor" is not a good argument against First Amendment free speech protections. And yes, you can use scary metaphors, and they are Constitutionally protected. For that matter, even speculative thoughts about actual violent acts may be protected. There's a 60s/70s case protecting someone who said something like "If they draft me and hand me a rifle, the first motherfucker I want to see in my sights is LBJ."
mac56
(17,821 posts)Please proceed.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)No need to look for sophisticated imagery where none is intended.
dairydog91
(951 posts)Constitutionally, about the only thing that could be said to "incite imminent violence" is a command to commit a specified act of violence. This goes as far back as the 1960s, when a much more liberal SCOTUS threw out a case against some KKK members who'd given a speech about the need to engage in "revengeance" against African Americans. Amorphous hopes for unspecified future violence are protected Free speech, as are metaphors which use violent language.
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
dairydog91
(951 posts)You included, apparently.
Brown complains universal background checks are just a step towards identifying gun owners so the government can seize their weapons, and he calls the 15-bullet limit on ammunition clips arbitrary. Hes promising political payback in next years election that could cost Colorado Democrats their majorities.
I liken it to the proverbial hunting season, Brown says. We tell gun owners, theres a time to hunt deer. And the next election is the time to hunt Democrats.
Rex
(65,616 posts)dairydog91
(951 posts)I liken it to the proverbial hunting season, Brown says. We tell gun owners, theres a time to hunt deer. And the next election is the time to hunt Democrats.
See, it's what we call a "metaphor"! If you need any further help, I'd be glad to help with basic American English skills. We can start with that old classic The Berenstein Bears Shit All Over Free Speech Rights.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)the thin air so high up above us where you seem to think you reside? When someone sounds as arrogant and crappy as you, I quit listening. So do a lot of people. So what have you accomplished but to show yourself up for what you are?
librechik
(30,957 posts)do they really imagine that kind of talk is normal, even heroic?
These people need psychiatric treatment.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Hope he grows up one day.
NightWatcher
(39,376 posts)Be sure to bring your guns because you'll need to protect yourself daily from the lawlessness.
mockmonkey
(2,964 posts)I saw a bumpersticker on a pick-up that showed a Red,White, and Blue Donkey and then it said "Got Ammo?" They love to threaten with their guns. This country has a sickness that will never be cured.
KrazyinKS
(291 posts)It is a small independently owned shop in a thrift shop area and always has a full lot, there are lots of crazies in this town. I think they are very dangerous and don't need pushing! They are always talking about people they are afraid of and who needs to be shot. Everything is black and white to these guys!!
rrneck
(17,671 posts)He can take his conservative red meat and shove it up his ass. And if he wants to hunt Democrats, he might be surprised to find out how many Dems can shoot back.
Bring it.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)I might be getting a little creaky, but I'm still a crack shot. Had a short similar conversation with a guy standing in a checkout line behind me one day. He gave a kind of nervous laugh. But that's the very reason they haven't stormed out of their rat holes already: they know, as I told him, we won't go quietly.
SpartanDem
(4,533 posts)Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)Well I'm a militant Democrat so they can come and get some. I doubt they will like the reception.
Initech
(108,711 posts)
Hey I too say bring it!
dothemath
(345 posts)Deer don't shoot back.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Either throw down or shut the fuck up. Come hunt me assholes. Because all this phony bluster from a bunch of middle aged fat asses is getting REALLY old.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)secondvariety
(1,245 posts)I've heard assholes at work spout the same shit. When I tell them, "I'm a liberal, wanna try me?" they get all uncomfortable and look away and shuffle their feet.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Blatant power trippers.
Willing to use violence to get their way, courts, democracy and Constitution be damned.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Here I am, a single little old lady living alone in RedNeckLand, the first several years of my residency the frequent focus of threats of violence, and yet not one actual attack so far. Even the open threats have tapered off. Do I imagine for one minute it's because they're really sweet good ol' boys who'd never hurt a flea? Hell no - it's because they know I'll fight back and if anything happens to me, certain people they really ARE scared of will find out and punish them for it.
One particular fool even asked me why I moved here (for no good reason he could see). I grinned and said maybe I was sent here to keep an eye on people like him. Sometimes you have to turn their paranoia to good use against them. He hates me with a purple passion because I represent his worst fears in so many ways, but for the same reason he's afraid to actually hurt me. Otherwise after 7 years he would have.
He's that crazy, and he's not alone. I know which ones play weekend soldier in the woods. When the GOP took the House, some of those creeps loaded up in a truck and parked outside my house, hooting and hollering and waving their penile substitutes. I came out of the house grinning, waved and called a couple by name, and started taking pictures. They drove away pretty fast and never came back.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Andy Stanton
(264 posts)It drives people away from the NRA and towards the responsible side of the gun issue.
Keep talking NRA and watch as your power and influence drain away.
Owl
(3,768 posts)Initech
(108,711 posts)Fuck gun nuts and everyone who thinks this way.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)They don't.
Squinch
(59,476 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)Every time they threaten violence (I realize that in this instance it was just a metaphor, but it shows a mindset) and talk about nonsense like "second amendment solutions" they just give more credibility to the other side's arguments about the dangers of guns in the hands of certain individuals.
JoDog
(1,353 posts)is that this is one Democrat who fully intends to return fire.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)I predict it will be an....unhappy day for them.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)lpbk2713
(43,271 posts)And I hope it gets as must coverage as possible by the MSM.
It must really hurt to be as stupid as this neanderthal is.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)that many people think like him and that those of us who aren't one of them, in lockstep with them, are targets for them.
Rex
(65,616 posts)They LOVE the idea...sick fucks.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)should kill Democratic me, both his daughters, and his son-in-law to start with? Did these jerks ever think people have FAMILY who aren't Republican gun owners?????
steve2470
(37,481 posts)
He knew exactly what he was saying. Very clever.