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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:46 AM Apr 2013

Head Of Gun Organization: ‘TIME TO HUNT DEMOCRATS’



GUN WEASEL!



As the Senate prepares to take up a comprehensive gun violence prevention plan later this month, gun advocates have amped up their already inflammatory rhetoric against any additional gun regulations. Ahead of President Obama’s visit to Colorado on Wednesday to promote the measure, one local gun organization promised to give him and other Democrats a hostile welcome.
In an interview with NPR, former NRA lobbyist and founder of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners Dudley Brown compared deer hunting season with election season, when gun owners would be free to “hunt Democrats”:



Brown complains universal background checks are just a step towards identifying gun owners so the government can seize their weapons, and he calls the 15-bullet limit on ammunition clips arbitrary. He’s promising political payback in next year’s election that could cost Colorado Democrats their majorities.

“I liken it to the proverbial hunting season,” Brown says. “We tell gun owners, there’s a time to hunt deer. And the next election is the time to hunt Democrats.”




The analogy between elections and hunting is a favorite among conservatives; former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin was widely condemned for her website’s map placing crosshairs over vulnerable Democratic districts in 2010.


Brown left the NRA in the 1990s because he felt the NRA was “kissing up to politicians.” The NRA, at the time, blasted Rocky Mountain Gun Owners as an “extreme right gun group” and called Brown the “Al Sharpton of the gun movement” for his inflammatory approach. Since then, the NRA has been pulled much farther to the right and is much more aligned with the “extreme” beliefs of RMGO. Both the NRA and RMGO believe there is a UN conspiracy to take away guns. The NRA and Republican lawmakers have warned of “tyranny” and compared Obama to Hitler and Stalin.




http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/04/03/1815171/head-of-gun-organization-time-to-hunt-democrats/
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Head Of Gun Organization: ‘TIME TO HUNT DEMOCRATS’ (Original Post) Segami Apr 2013 OP
The worlds most ineffective conspiracy el_bryanto Apr 2013 #1
I believe that threat justifies his elimination under Stand Your Ground rules, doesn't it? JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #2
...or Darwin's Theory n/t librechik Apr 2013 #56
better ............ dothemath Apr 2013 #57
You are correct... JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #61
I was just thinking that some of us Democrats own weapons and have used them in the military. fasttense Apr 2013 #75
Surely, 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #3
And people try to say our freedoms have been curbed in America... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #4
Yup. The ones terrorizing the people scream they're oppressed when they're enforcing mob tyranny. freshwest Apr 2013 #10
Which, ironically... Oilwellian Apr 2013 #82
Hell, you can hold office, make threats to a sitting president and all you'll get is away with it. HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #23
Unless one jokes about pretzeldents of the BFEE. Octafish Apr 2013 #42
I hate to ask, but what is BFEE? kurtzapril4 Apr 2013 #78
Bush Family Evil Empire Octafish Apr 2013 #81
Thank you for all kurtzapril4 Apr 2013 #84
The Bush! It burns! LOL Oilwellian Apr 2013 #83
Hell, you can hold office, make threats to a sitting president and all you'll get is away with it. AlbertCat Apr 2013 #46
He should be happy the Obama administration hasn't adopted the Bush Doctrine. Scuba Apr 2013 #5
Yeah, maybe it's time to get rid of the second amendment BanzaiBonnie Apr 2013 #6
Re-read your post a couple of times......... Socal31 Apr 2013 #73
Paging the Secret Service and the FBI on this dude. DinahMoeHum Apr 2013 #7
This IS an Abuse of Gun Ownership fredamae Apr 2013 #8
The Right loves to use killing metaphors Sheepshank Apr 2013 #9
Another well-paid long-range mouth-fighter. bemildred Apr 2013 #11
The assasination of the President nxylas Apr 2013 #74
This is the kind of big-mouthed jerk I don't trust with guns magellan Apr 2013 #12
Democrats are vulnerable on this issue in certain states. Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #13
"nonsensical arguments devoid of any sense of history"??? jmg257 Apr 2013 #15
Here's some more history, with no emotion attached (just cold hard statistics)... jmg257 Apr 2013 #17
"The shrill voices of extremists" = NRA. DanTex Apr 2013 #18
How do you bridge the rural and urban divide without giving up the rural vote to the RW. Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #22
So who are the "shrill extremists". Any examples? DanTex Apr 2013 #24
Nice daydream you got there! Rex Apr 2013 #98
Your slip is showing. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2013 #19
Lurker from way before 2009 Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #20
Obvious zombie is obvious Electric Monk Apr 2013 #29
The word Democrat is also supposed to be capitalized Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #50
Good God-Damn HangOnKids Apr 2013 #25
LOL! Rex Apr 2013 #97
He speaks "Limbaughese"! nt rdharma Apr 2013 #31
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!! Zoeisright Apr 2013 #33
So this is your comment on the threat of violence from a gun-boy? Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #51
These Rocky Mt. Gun Owners seem like a real circle jerk of jmg257 Apr 2013 #14
I'll bet IrishAyes Apr 2013 #105
I invite everyone to visit my "these assholes" thread on RMGO: Robb Apr 2013 #16
My guess is he will join forces with Michael Bloomberg. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #21
In what way are you comparing the NRA terror org. with the person wanting to stop terrorists? graham4anything Apr 2013 #27
Both going after Democrats. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #79
Democratic candidates have won 7 of 12 times so far graham4anything Apr 2013 #80
Blomie (never a Democrat) attacks Democrats. Settled. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #86
Terrorists. Reclassify them as a terror org, freeze assets, and anyone that contributes ditto graham4anything Apr 2013 #26
It's always nice to see police state tactics so vigorously advocated. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #32
The days of the NRA blackmail are ending. Thank God for that. 60% of the public wants it. graham4anything Apr 2013 #34
Authoritarianism, justified with Word Soup and Paul Simon? dairydog91 Apr 2013 #36
Sticks and Stones and Bullys and Guns and Bullets all kill, and the NRA is all of them graham4anything Apr 2013 #39
So, just declare them to be political enemies! dairydog91 Apr 2013 #40
It is not an unpopular law, and it is constitutional curlyred Apr 2013 #71
Reading comprehension? dairydog91 Apr 2013 #87
+1000 baldguy Apr 2013 #68
One crashes planes into buildings, one does political advocacy against gun control laws. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #88
Both are happy to see Americans die to forward their political goals. baldguy Apr 2013 #90
Even if that was true, mere joy at seeing Americans die is not terrorism. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #91
Terrorism is simply trying to instill fear in a target population to forward political goals. baldguy Apr 2013 #92
No, they don't. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #93
Re-read the OP. That's called "intimidation". baldguy Apr 2013 #99
Except SCOTUS would giggle that right out the courthouse door. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #101
This seems like stochastic terrorism to me. factsarenotfair Apr 2013 #28
A term that should make any supporter of free speech feel the urge to projectile vomit. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #30
"Time to hunt..." seems to be inciting lawless action to me. n/t. factsarenotfair Apr 2013 #37
It's a pretty obvious metaphor for aggressively voting against anti-gun politicians. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #38
You are a skillful advocate for your position. mac56 Apr 2013 #47
It's a "pretty obvious metaphor" for inciting violence. Brigid Apr 2013 #53
"Inciting violence" is a tough Constitutional standard. Much tougher than you seem to think. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #60
Some people need it to stay in a state of denial. Rex Apr 2013 #95
Some people need to shriek about the horrors of the enemy tribe. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #103
No not really, but thanks for trying really hard. Rex Apr 2013 #94
Now in easy to read format! dairydog91 Apr 2013 #100
How do you breathe IrishAyes Apr 2013 #106
what a vile notion librechik Apr 2013 #35
Sounds like a terrorist threat to me. nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #41
Looks like a beady eyed bully with a very tiny sense of what it means to be a man. Octafish Apr 2013 #43
Somalia, muther f***er! They don't have ANY LAWS NightWatcher Apr 2013 #44
Reminds me of a bumpersticker mockmonkey Apr 2013 #45
The Tactical Arms shop I pass by daily always has a full parking lot KrazyinKS Apr 2013 #48
Fuck him. rrneck Apr 2013 #49
Got your back IrishAyes Apr 2013 #104
Some of us shoot back!! SpartanDem Apr 2013 #52
Hunting Democrats? Third Doctor Apr 2013 #54
Democrat season! Republican season! Democrat season! Republican season! Initech Apr 2013 #69
really? dothemath Apr 2013 #55
I'll say to this jackass what I say to all the gun wimps who spout this garbage: Downtown Hound Apr 2013 #58
Barf. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #59
Real tough guy. secondvariety Apr 2013 #62
Watch out women: Thugs &bullies want to have guns to be more effective thugs and bullies. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #63
It's almost funny IrishAyes Apr 2013 #107
Good post. +1 Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #109
I Welcome the Extreme Language Andy Stanton Apr 2013 #64
Brown has demonstrated severe mental deficiencies. He should not be allowed to even own firearms. Owl Apr 2013 #65
The words "piece of shit" don't accurately begin to describe this asshole. Initech Apr 2013 #66
Remember this when gun nuts tell you they support background checks Hugabear Apr 2013 #67
To our Gungeon friends: This is the company you keep. Squinch Apr 2013 #70
Don't they understand that this kind of talk simply bolsters the other side's argument? drm604 Apr 2013 #72
What this jerk does not know JoDog Apr 2013 #76
One day they will find out that Democrats can use guns too. Arkana Apr 2013 #77
Make it so. IrishAyes Apr 2013 #110
I can't wait to hear Gabi Giffords' response to this asshole. lpbk2713 Apr 2013 #85
The humorous and stupid aspects of this aside, there is the scary aspect Cleita Apr 2013 #89
Of course, just like a Repuke to incite violence. Rex Apr 2013 #96
Then my gun owning Republican husband HockeyMom Apr 2013 #102
This is in the same league as those bumper stickers I've seen steve2470 Apr 2013 #108
Time to strip another nut case of every single gun he has on point Apr 2013 #111

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. The worlds most ineffective conspiracy
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:49 AM
Apr 2013

Even after a tragedy like Newton we still can't limit the sizes of magazines and we might not even be able to get stricter background checks in.

Bryant

 

JoeBlowToo

(253 posts)
2. I believe that threat justifies his elimination under Stand Your Ground rules, doesn't it?
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:51 AM
Apr 2013

He just might be surprised at how many Democrats are armed.

 

dothemath

(345 posts)
57. better ............
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:45 PM
Apr 2013

If you want to hit him in his little scaredy cat heart, take away his right to have a gun for making death threats against innocent people.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
75. I was just thinking that some of us Democrats own weapons and have used them in the military.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:21 AM
Apr 2013

So, if he wants to take a chance and come after us, well he might get a surprise. Because we have actually had training on how to use them and we don't need 15 rounds to be effective.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
3. Surely,
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:51 AM
Apr 2013

our "Pro-Gun """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""Progressives""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" will soundly denounce this lunatic, because they do not, I repeat DO NOT share his views, nope, not at all.

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
4. And people try to say our freedoms have been curbed in America...
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:51 AM
Apr 2013

Meanwhile, people make threats like this and never see the inside of a prison cell.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
10. Yup. The ones terrorizing the people scream they're oppressed when they're enforcing mob tyranny.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:33 AM
Apr 2013

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
82. Which, ironically...
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:37 AM
Apr 2013

The 2nd Amendment will be used against them to quell any armed rebellion. Stupid idiots.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
23. Hell, you can hold office, make threats to a sitting president and all you'll get is away with it.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:04 PM
Apr 2013

Just ask that old Grand Cyclops Jesse Helms.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
42. Unless one jokes about pretzeldents of the BFEE.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:30 PM
Apr 2013

Man jokes about Bush - 3 years in Prison. Man with gun threatens Obama - No Problem.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/437


 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
46. Hell, you can hold office, make threats to a sitting president and all you'll get is away with it.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:28 PM
Apr 2013

Just don't smoke a joint while doing it.

BanzaiBonnie

(3,621 posts)
6. Yeah, maybe it's time to get rid of the second amendment
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:05 AM
Apr 2013

I've fervently stood up for all rights guaranteed by the Constitution... until this point.

It's people like that, saying things like that, that set off people who are mentally unstable to shoot 'em up. I'm tired of people saying things that spur the crazies to action.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
9. The Right loves to use killing metaphors
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:31 AM
Apr 2013

...Bulls eyes, lock and load, hunting season...on and on and on. Their fetsh for killing and pretending to kill and hoping to kill and dreaming of killing didn't start recently

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. Another well-paid long-range mouth-fighter.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:35 AM
Apr 2013

Desperately spouting dog whistles in hopes of accomplishing, what?

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
74. The assasination of the President
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 05:22 AM
Apr 2013

I believe that's the answer to your (rhetorical) question, though of course the guy will deny it fervently ("All that talk of SHOOTING DEMOCRATS was just a metaphor for defeating them at the ballot box. I never meant for anyone to actually go out and SHOOT DEMOCRATS&quot .

magellan

(13,257 posts)
12. This is the kind of big-mouthed jerk I don't trust with guns
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:35 AM
Apr 2013

If he's willing to make inflammatory remarks like that, it's impossible to know where common sense might kick in...if at all.

 

Paul E Ester

(952 posts)
13. Democrats are vulnerable on this issue in certain states.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:53 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:51 AM - Edit history (1)

The politics of gun control are very different between urban and rural areas. Gun control is an effective wedge issue for the rw, as the shrill voices of extremists drown out the actual moderate positions taken by state democratic parties. Gun control advocates risk alienating long standing democrats with their nonsensical arguments based on emotion and devoid of any sense of history, law, or culture.

Appropriate gun laws for a democrat in Montana, are very different from what is appropriate for a democrat in NY. We need to maintain a tent big enough to accommodate both.



jmg257

(11,996 posts)
15. "nonsensical arguments devoid of any sense of history"???
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:25 AM
Apr 2013

Can you even say that with straight face?

Here's some history for you...


How many gun deaths are in the US every year?

In 2011, the latest figure available from the Centers for Disease Control,

Accidental discharge 851
Suicide 19,766
Homicide 11,101
Undetermined Intent 222

Total: At least 31940 people died from gun injuries in 2011.

Also 258 people were killed during legal intervention, most of them due to guns.

Guns were involved, but were not the primary cause of death:
-in 2 fatal accidents.
-in 6 homicides.

Previous years:
2010 31,328 people
2009 31,177 people
2007 31,224 people
2004 29,569 people


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gun_deaths_are_in_the_US_every_year


Homicides by Weapon Used, 2000-2008
Totals, 2000-2008 % of total

Handguns 65,581 51%
Rifles 3,791 3%
Shotguns 4,356 3%
Other firearm not specified or type unknown 820 1%
Firearms, type not stated 11,564 9%

Firearm subtotals 86,112 66%

Knives or cutting instruments 16,547 13%
Blunt Objects 5,782 4%
Personal Weapons 8,220 6%
Poison 106 0%
Explosives 43 0%
Fire 1,093 1%
Narcotics 408 0%
Drowning 150 0%
Strangulation 1,281 1%
Asphyxiation 948 1%
All other 9,051 7%
All other weapons subtotals 43,629 34%

Total, all types: 129,741 100%


http://sbcoalition.org/2011/04/gun-violence-and-the-census-sobering-statistics/


30,000 firearm deaths a year every year, and 66% of all homicides are by firearm.


So, please tell us again why "we" should think gun control doesn't make sense?


jmg257

(11,996 posts)
17. Here's some more history, with no emotion attached (just cold hard statistics)...
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:33 AM
Apr 2013

8,775 Firearm Murders a Year in US, Equiv. of 290 in UK
Posted on 01/10/2013

Number of Murders, United States, 2010: 12,996
Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2010: 8,775

Number of Murders, Britain, 2011*: 638
(*Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,095 US murders)

Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2011*: 58(*equivalent to 290 US murders)

In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 30 times fewer than in the US per capita.


http://www.juancole.com/2013/01/firearm-murders-equiv.html

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
18. "The shrill voices of extremists" = NRA.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:36 AM
Apr 2013

I'm not aware of any prominent liberals or gun control advocate that have views that could possibly be called "extremist". The measures they are advocating -- assault weapons ban, universal background checks, magazine capacity limits -- all poll over 50%, even in most red states (e.g. most Texans support the AWB).

As with many issues, the politicians are to the right of the people on gun control. If anything, the measures proposed by gun control advocates don't go far enough.

 

Paul E Ester

(952 posts)
22. How do you bridge the rural and urban divide without giving up the rural vote to the RW.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:00 PM
Apr 2013

My experience is living in San francisco and spending a lot of time in Nevada 4 hours away. The two states could not be more different when it comes to guns, gun rights and culture. If you want to lose Harry Reid go ahead and ban ugly rifles and high cap mags.

No one wants to address the problem that one size does not fit all on this issue. Until solutions are looked at from a realistic context of regional differences this issue will only divide the party and give the rw a wedge issue to tear us apart.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
24. So who are the "shrill extremists". Any examples?
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:10 PM
Apr 2013

And I don't mean some no-name blogger. Can you think of a single gun control advocate whose views can be logically called extreme? Everything they are calling for polls over 50%. The opposite of extreme. The only extremists here are people who oppose universal background checks.

You could make the same argument in favor of caving to Republicans on any number of issues. Yes, red state Democrats are more conservative than Blue state Dems. No kidding. Not just on guns, but across the board: gay marriage, Obamacare, taxes, etc.

Personally, I think Dems should stand of for progressive policies, particularly in cases where the polls are in their favor.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
98. Nice daydream you got there!
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:43 PM
Apr 2013

Kewl story bro!

Must be the biggest PILE I've read today in a long time!

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,459 posts)
19. Your slip is showing.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:44 AM
Apr 2013

"by state democrat parties"

It's democratic.

Belated welcome to DU.

It's so nice to have DUers who have been members since 2009 come out of the shadows, make all their posts in the last 90 days and post pro-gun views.

Welcome!

 

Paul E Ester

(952 posts)
20. Lurker from way before 2009
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:50 AM
Apr 2013

Thanks for the welcome and the correction.

Check out My journal: I have a lot of interesting posts:

Peace

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
25. Good God-Damn
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:23 PM
Apr 2013

Thanks for your post. Really 4 years of lurking and now plunge right in. Of course everyone does that, especially with gun posts!

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
33. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:44 PM
Apr 2013

My god, what a fucking stupid post. Listen, sparky, if anyone is "SHRILL", it's gun humpers who can't bear to be separated from their little Precious.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
14. These Rocky Mt. Gun Owners seem like a real circle jerk of
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:13 AM
Apr 2013

gunfreaks. Already a few of 'em tagged for threatening politicians.

They give a whole new meaning to the term '"law-abiding" gun owner'.


Atleast when their revolt starts, the President will know where to send the 1st drone.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
105. I'll bet
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:43 PM
Apr 2013

... that's one reason they're allowed to think they're getting away with their swagger. So our side can keep easier track of them.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
27. In what way are you comparing the NRA terror org. with the person wanting to stop terrorists?
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:27 PM
Apr 2013
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
80. Democratic candidates have won 7 of 12 times so far
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:56 AM
Apr 2013

including having the Senator Angus King's vote when a 60th is needed, solely because of Mike.

BTW, Mike gave NYC a major gift in getting Jimmy Fallon to host the Tonight show IN NYC
for the first time in 40 years.
Thousands of union jobs to NYC that is 100% solely due to Mike Bloomberg extending the motion picture/tv tax to an older show.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
26. Terrorists. Reclassify them as a terror org, freeze assets, and anyone that contributes ditto
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:26 PM
Apr 2013

And make them realize in short time, the private citizens guns and bullets shall be history.

all it will take is the retirement of ONE Scotus of the five to swing the court and reinterpret the 2nd.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
32. It's always nice to see police state tactics so vigorously advocated.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:41 PM
Apr 2013

No coyness at all, just straight-up "Let's lock up our political opponents, steal all their money, and punish anyone who even thinks of supporting them!" Wonderfully honest sentiment, though I personally think it sounds a lot better with a snappy uniform and a Prussian accent.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
34. The days of the NRA blackmail are ending. Thank God for that. 60% of the public wants it.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:50 PM
Apr 2013

The majority rules.

the NRA can no longer be dictator/blackmailer/and threat to life.

The same rightwing terrorism killed Dr. Tiller in the church to further their political point of view.
And many extremists protected the killer for weeks later.

Guns are WMD. Guns kill 35 a day, wound 100s, ruin the lives of millions and their day is ending.

Why does one more person have to die from a private citizen(like or not like Zimmerman) taking away people who tomorrow might cure cancer?

to paraphrase Paul Simon "mama gonna take your guns and bullets away", the quicker the better.

HOW MANY MORE MUST DIE from guns/bullets in the hands of private citizens?

and it's a people wellness movement. not state.

the state=NRA
the terrororistic authoritiarian=NRA
the bullies-the private citizens with firepower to kill those against them(aka the NRA is the bully).

dairydog91

(951 posts)
36. Authoritarianism, justified with Word Soup and Paul Simon?
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:00 PM
Apr 2013
the terrororistic authoritiarian=NRA

They advocate legal possession of things. That is not terrorism by any definition of that term.


the state=NRA

The NRA is a state? The NRA is a government? The NRA is a nation-state?


It's still fun to watch you be a cheerleader for declaring political advocacy groups and their supporters to be "terrorists". Nope, nothing could possibly go wrong with declaring your political opponents to be Enemies of the State.
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
39. Sticks and Stones and Bullys and Guns and Bullets all kill, and the NRA is all of them
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:09 PM
Apr 2013

ONE
one vote change and guns/bullets are history, making every NRA soundbyte obsolete.
The NRA will be the Obsolete Man.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
40. So, just declare them to be political enemies!
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:14 PM
Apr 2013

The idea that people will be locked up and their assets stolen if they advocate unpopular laws is genuinely disgusting, thoroughly incompatible with basic notions of free speech and liberal republicanism, and tends towards outright evil.

curlyred

(1,879 posts)
71. It is not an unpopular law, and it is constitutional
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:42 PM
Apr 2013

Get a grip. Overwhelming support, upwards of 90%. Just because YOU and those NRA fascists don't like it doesn't make it unpopular.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
87. Reading comprehension?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:47 PM
Apr 2013

I was talking about how Graham4Authoritarianism was advocating locking up NRA members because they were advocating for unpopular things.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
88. One crashes planes into buildings, one does political advocacy against gun control laws.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:50 PM
Apr 2013

Gosh, I think I can see a difference between those two things! Must be my commie ACLU brain playing tricks on me.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
90. Both are happy to see Americans die to forward their political goals.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:17 PM
Apr 2013

The only real difference is that one does it for religion, and the other for commerce.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
91. Even if that was true, mere joy at seeing Americans die is not terrorism.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 05:23 PM
Apr 2013

Actually carrying out physical acts is. Wayne Lapierre could have personally masturbated to images of the Newtown shooting and that would still not constitute "terrorism".

Al Qaeda plans and carries out violent acts for the purpose of coercing people through terror. The NRA is a political advocacy group which pushes for laws which it thinks are desirable, and does so through legal means. The first is engaged in terrorism, the second is not.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
92. Terrorism is simply trying to instill fear in a target population to forward political goals.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 05:42 PM
Apr 2013

That's the definition law enforcement uses. And the NRA & the RW gun weirdos certainly fit that definition.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
93. No, they don't.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:32 PM
Apr 2013
1. systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal
2. the act of terrorizing
3. the state of being terrorized


Advocating "X should be legal" meets none of those definitions. Thank goodness SCOTUS adopted First Amendment standards which get rid of a lot of this Red-Scare/sedition/incitement crap. Advocating for the legality/illegality of something is not terrorism, unless you adopt the wildly expansive notion that "Advocating anything that scares me is terrorism" angle. Which I don't. Democracy has always had its share of harsh rhetoric. Try evaluating whether or not someone is actually making a credible threat against a specific target, instead of howling "TERRAH" when someone uses a nasty metaphor.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
101. Except SCOTUS would giggle that right out the courthouse door.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:54 PM
Apr 2013

Using aggressive rhetoric, no matter how much it causes a case of the vapors, does not qualify as "intimidation" such that the speech would be unprotected. It is protected. Fully. If some histrionic prosecutor tried to bring charges for intimidation, his case would be laughed out of court. If you want to use such a broad definition of terrorism that it includes rough words, then I suppose that's your prerogative. Just don't be surprised when courts start throwing out all those "terroristic" speech cases.

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
28. This seems like stochastic terrorism to me.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:30 PM
Apr 2013

Stochastic Terrorism: Triggering the shooters.
by G2geekFollow .
Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to stir up random lone wolves to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable.

This is what occurs when Bin Laden releases a video that stirs random extremists halfway around the globe to commit a bombing or shooting.

This is also the term for what Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and others do. And this is what led directly and predictably to a number of cases of ideologically-motivated murder similar to the Tucson shootings.
...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/01/10/934890/-Stochastic-Terrorism-160-Triggering-the-shooters

dairydog91

(951 posts)
30. A term that should make any supporter of free speech feel the urge to projectile vomit.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:39 PM
Apr 2013

Current Free Speech doctrine protects lots of "incendiary" speech, and doesn't remove protection until the speech is aimed at inciting "imminent lawless action." That is a hard test to meet; the speaker pretty much has to be directing people to commit specific acts of violence in the near future. Vague, tribalistic notions that a incendiary speech is somehow "stirring up" shadowy members of an amorphously-defined group does not allow that speech to be punished. Good thing, too; people in this very thread are basically advocating a Team Blue version of an old Freeper Canard: "Anyone who denounces the war on Iraq is encouraging terrorists to keep fighting 'Murica! Lock them up for sedition!"

dairydog91

(951 posts)
38. It's a pretty obvious metaphor for aggressively voting against anti-gun politicians.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:08 PM
Apr 2013

"They used a scary metaphor" is not a good argument against First Amendment free speech protections. And yes, you can use scary metaphors, and they are Constitutionally protected. For that matter, even speculative thoughts about actual violent acts may be protected. There's a 60s/70s case protecting someone who said something like "If they draft me and hand me a rifle, the first motherfucker I want to see in my sights is LBJ."

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
53. It's a "pretty obvious metaphor" for inciting violence.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:31 PM
Apr 2013

No need to look for sophisticated imagery where none is intended.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
60. "Inciting violence" is a tough Constitutional standard. Much tougher than you seem to think.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:55 PM
Apr 2013

Constitutionally, about the only thing that could be said to "incite imminent violence" is a command to commit a specified act of violence. This goes as far back as the 1960s, when a much more liberal SCOTUS threw out a case against some KKK members who'd given a speech about the need to engage in "revengeance" against African Americans. Amorphous hopes for unspecified future violence are protected Free speech, as are metaphors which use violent language.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
103. Some people need to shriek about the horrors of the enemy tribe.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:00 PM
Apr 2013

You included, apparently.

Brown complains universal background checks are just a step towards identifying gun owners so the government can seize their weapons, and he calls the 15-bullet limit on ammunition clips arbitrary. He’s promising political payback in next year’s election that could cost Colorado Democrats their majorities.

“I liken it to the proverbial hunting season,” Brown says. “We tell gun owners, there’s a time to hunt deer. And the next election is the time to hunt Democrats.”

dairydog91

(951 posts)
100. Now in easy to read format!
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:47 PM
Apr 2013
Brown complains universal background checks are just a step towards identifying gun owners so the government can seize their weapons, and he calls the 15-bullet limit on ammunition clips arbitrary. He’s promising political payback in next year’s election that could cost Colorado Democrats their majorities.

“I liken it to the proverbial hunting season,” Brown says. “We tell gun owners, there’s a time to hunt deer. And the next election is the time to hunt Democrats.”


See, it's what we call a "metaphor"! If you need any further help, I'd be glad to help with basic American English skills. We can start with that old classic The Berenstein Bears Shit All Over Free Speech Rights.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
106. How do you breathe
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:49 PM
Apr 2013

the thin air so high up above us where you seem to think you reside? When someone sounds as arrogant and crappy as you, I quit listening. So do a lot of people. So what have you accomplished but to show yourself up for what you are?

librechik

(30,957 posts)
35. what a vile notion
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:52 PM
Apr 2013

do they really imagine that kind of talk is normal, even heroic?

These people need psychiatric treatment.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
43. Looks like a beady eyed bully with a very tiny sense of what it means to be a man.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:32 PM
Apr 2013

Hope he grows up one day.

NightWatcher

(39,376 posts)
44. Somalia, muther f***er! They don't have ANY LAWS
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:33 PM
Apr 2013

Be sure to bring your guns because you'll need to protect yourself daily from the lawlessness.

mockmonkey

(2,964 posts)
45. Reminds me of a bumpersticker
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:17 PM
Apr 2013

I saw a bumpersticker on a pick-up that showed a Red,White, and Blue Donkey and then it said "Got Ammo?" They love to threaten with their guns. This country has a sickness that will never be cured.

KrazyinKS

(291 posts)
48. The Tactical Arms shop I pass by daily always has a full parking lot
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:09 PM
Apr 2013

It is a small independently owned shop in a thrift shop area and always has a full lot, there are lots of crazies in this town. I think they are very dangerous and don't need pushing! They are always talking about people they are afraid of and who needs to be shot. Everything is black and white to these guys!!

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
49. Fuck him.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:13 PM
Apr 2013

He can take his conservative red meat and shove it up his ass. And if he wants to hunt Democrats, he might be surprised to find out how many Dems can shoot back.

Bring it.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
104. Got your back
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:39 PM
Apr 2013

I might be getting a little creaky, but I'm still a crack shot. Had a short similar conversation with a guy standing in a checkout line behind me one day. He gave a kind of nervous laugh. But that's the very reason they haven't stormed out of their rat holes already: they know, as I told him, we won't go quietly.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
54. Hunting Democrats?
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:28 PM
Apr 2013

Well I'm a militant Democrat so they can come and get some. I doubt they will like the reception.

Initech

(108,711 posts)
69. Democrat season! Republican season! Democrat season! Republican season!
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:03 PM
Apr 2013


Hey I too say bring it!

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
58. I'll say to this jackass what I say to all the gun wimps who spout this garbage:
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:49 PM
Apr 2013

Either throw down or shut the fuck up. Come hunt me assholes. Because all this phony bluster from a bunch of middle aged fat asses is getting REALLY old.

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
62. Real tough guy.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:59 PM
Apr 2013

I've heard assholes at work spout the same shit. When I tell them, "I'm a liberal, wanna try me?" they get all uncomfortable and look away and shuffle their feet.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
63. Watch out women: Thugs &bullies want to have guns to be more effective thugs and bullies.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:13 PM
Apr 2013

Blatant power trippers.

Willing to use violence to get their way, courts, democracy and Constitution be damned.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
107. It's almost funny
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:06 PM
Apr 2013

Here I am, a single little old lady living alone in RedNeckLand, the first several years of my residency the frequent focus of threats of violence, and yet not one actual attack so far. Even the open threats have tapered off. Do I imagine for one minute it's because they're really sweet good ol' boys who'd never hurt a flea? Hell no - it's because they know I'll fight back and if anything happens to me, certain people they really ARE scared of will find out and punish them for it.

One particular fool even asked me why I moved here (for no good reason he could see). I grinned and said maybe I was sent here to keep an eye on people like him. Sometimes you have to turn their paranoia to good use against them. He hates me with a purple passion because I represent his worst fears in so many ways, but for the same reason he's afraid to actually hurt me. Otherwise after 7 years he would have.

He's that crazy, and he's not alone. I know which ones play weekend soldier in the woods. When the GOP took the House, some of those creeps loaded up in a truck and parked outside my house, hooting and hollering and waving their penile substitutes. I came out of the house grinning, waved and called a couple by name, and started taking pictures. They drove away pretty fast and never came back.

Andy Stanton

(264 posts)
64. I Welcome the Extreme Language
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:31 PM
Apr 2013

It drives people away from the NRA and towards the responsible side of the gun issue.

Keep talking NRA and watch as your power and influence drain away.

Owl

(3,768 posts)
65. Brown has demonstrated severe mental deficiencies. He should not be allowed to even own firearms.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:24 PM
Apr 2013

Initech

(108,711 posts)
66. The words "piece of shit" don't accurately begin to describe this asshole.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:37 PM
Apr 2013

Fuck gun nuts and everyone who thinks this way.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
72. Don't they understand that this kind of talk simply bolsters the other side's argument?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:24 AM
Apr 2013

Every time they threaten violence (I realize that in this instance it was just a metaphor, but it shows a mindset) and talk about nonsense like "second amendment solutions" they just give more credibility to the other side's arguments about the dangers of guns in the hands of certain individuals.

JoDog

(1,353 posts)
76. What this jerk does not know
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:16 AM
Apr 2013

is that this is one Democrat who fully intends to return fire.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
77. One day they will find out that Democrats can use guns too.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:06 AM
Apr 2013

I predict it will be an....unhappy day for them.

lpbk2713

(43,271 posts)
85. I can't wait to hear Gabi Giffords' response to this asshole.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:52 AM
Apr 2013



And I hope it gets as must coverage as possible by the MSM.

It must really hurt to be as stupid as this neanderthal is.


Cleita

(75,480 posts)
89. The humorous and stupid aspects of this aside, there is the scary aspect
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:55 PM
Apr 2013

that many people think like him and that those of us who aren't one of them, in lockstep with them, are targets for them.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
96. Of course, just like a Repuke to incite violence.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:39 PM
Apr 2013

They LOVE the idea...sick fucks.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
102. Then my gun owning Republican husband
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:55 PM
Apr 2013

should kill Democratic me, both his daughters, and his son-in-law to start with? Did these jerks ever think people have FAMILY who aren't Republican gun owners?????

steve2470

(37,481 posts)
108. This is in the same league as those bumper stickers I've seen
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:11 PM
Apr 2013


He knew exactly what he was saying. Very clever.
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