Stephen Stills on Hilary 2016 and Obama's CPI manuever

[Comrade_McKenzie]

On Hilary: Stephanie asks rock legend, Stephen Stills, if Hillary Clinton is going to run in 2016. Still says, “Are you kidding, she is the Energizer Bunny. The idea of her taking a year off is as ridiculous as Justice Scalia making sense.” Stills says she is all woman, all there and she is completely present and tough as nails.” Stephanie adds, “it is such a groundswell. it is hard to ignore it.”

On Obama and CPI: "I think that this guy here [Obama] should have his chance. He's laid another trap for them and we should let it play out. I happen to really like him and I think what he's doing is a little mouse and cheese with the CPI."

CLIP HERE: http://current.com/shows/talking-liberally/videos/stephen-stills-on-hilary-clinton-running-in-2016/

[datasuspect]

1. a washed up american 1%er is relevant, why?

i get him and graham nash mixed up.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

3. Still more relevant than anonymous critics perpetually attached to their keyboards. nt

[KittyWampus]

6. such as yourself, I presume?

[Comrade_McKenzie]

8. Absolutely. He has done more for the Democratic Party than I have by posting on here. nt

[datasuspect]

9. like hanging out at david crosby's house naked snorting wooden bowls of cocaine

or just taking limos from venue to 7-11 to get more beer?

[Walk away]

16. He has more fun in an afternoon that you have had in your life time and this somehow...

disqualifies him from having an opinion of any value. I guess that his life's work having helped to inform a generation and promote an end to the war in Vietnam means nothing either.

[datasuspect]

19. his biggest protest song was about

kids having the right to loiter on the sunset strip, dippy. and hanging out doing coke with david crosby and his guns doesn't sound too fun.

[Bake]

90. There's a clue out there. Go find it.

Because you clearly need one.

Bake

[datasuspect]

92. i'm fine

i just don't get personally offended when someone offends a celebrity.

who needs a clue?

[Comrade_McKenzie]

17. He has hosted numerous fundraisers for Democratic politicians, including the Clintons.

Not sure what his personal habits and choices about his own body has anything to do with anything.

[datasuspect]

23. getting the bankster middle class destroying clintons more loot?

wow, that is impressive.

[Hekate]

115. What's impressive is how many slurs you can sling in one subject line

I don't worry about the Clintons, including Hillary. She's a survivor of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, which actually exists. She's a survivor of Kenneth Starr and Whitewater and being accused of murdering one of her best friends. She's a survivor of her husband's foolish infidelities.

So, I think she'll do okay, whatever she decides to do. Likewise her husband, the Big Dog. He's done more good in his post-presidential years than most of us ever could dream of.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

[okwmember]

111. He was one of Florida's delegates at the 1992 Democratic National Convention.

He of course also performed on our float at the '93 inaugural parade. Thanks Stephen.
Tampa still loves you.

[madokie]

85. I'm not so sure if thats true around here anymore

I like Steven Stills, I like Barack Obama as my President. I think Stills gets it right
we have way too many critics of this President if you ask me.

[trumad]

4. Because he can still piss the D-bags off...

You're not mad are you?

[datasuspect]

7. i'm not mad

btw: cool post, bro.

on edit:

that was pretty cool internet stuff you did there, throwing a backhanded insult involving the letter D (capital letter D too!). that is precious! did you watch sesame street today?

[demwing]

11. Why are you being such a booger?

really?

[datasuspect]

13. i usually refrain

unless someone pulls the trigger first.

and yes, REALLY.

[demwing]

14. You refrain? lol - 7 posts hidden in the last 90 days?

that's refraining?

Really?

[datasuspect]

18. i don't suffer idiots that well

really.

[demwing]

26. Well I'm sorry I called you and ass

going back and changing the text to "booger"

Hope you have a swell day. Maybe go watch a sunset with a glass of wine and a bowl of green.

[leftynyc]

27. I'm sure the irony of your own

post is lost to you. But keep thinking you're scoring points being nothing more than an anonymous internet poster vs someone who has done more for the Democratic party than you can ever hope to. But I do thank you for making it easy to commit to the ignore feature.

[datasuspect]

29. the irony of it is

that if you worked for me, i would fire you.

[demwing]

38. If I worked for you

I'd quit

[datasuspect]

61. you couldn't hack it

coffee is for closers, dim one.

[demwing]

65. I won't argue

In a contest of assholes, you would certainly win.

[datasuspect]

67. you guys like to start it

but you can't take a dose of your own medicine.

typical.


i win.

[demwing]

73. Poor thing!

Don't play the victim now, it's beneath you (and that is saying much). You came ready to fight, but all your fighting is of a personal nature. When you disagree with people, you attack them personally. It's who you are. Change, or embrace it.

[datasuspect]

74. every. single. time.

this situation happens, i am discussing actual ideas.

doesn't matter if they are fucked up ideas, stupid ideas, irrelevant ideas, whatever: i always come here and try to stick to ideas and not personalities.

then some of the "usual suspects" start buzzing around and they cannot EVER resist INSTANTLY making it personal. they do it in veiled ways which i'm sure make them fancy themselves as clever boys and girls, but they always drag it down before i do.

your post is a complete lie and it's plainly visible.

i can't help it if you have a HRC or stephen stills fan club and take attacks on her or him personally, but the fact of the matter is, i didn't attack anyone here personally until i was attacked first.

for what it's worth.

plus your last post, your words, betray you as a liar. so i have to ignore you now.

[demwing]

10. He's and American citizen?

Does he have to be a player to have an opinion?

[panader0]

15. unrec

[spanone]

20. please make a list of who is relevant in your world

[datasuspect]

22. seems like i touched a nerve

and hit some kind of nest here!


here are the people who are relevant in my world:


nunya

[Comrade_McKenzie]

24. Tell us a positive coke story about Sherman Helmsley.

Or is it only bad when someone you can't use as a name drop does it?

[datasuspect]

28. tell me a story about your mom

[Comrade_McKenzie]

30. Thanks for revealing your sexist tendencies.

Your dislike of Hilary now makes sense.

[datasuspect]

31. no, i really want to know about your mom

[Comrade_McKenzie]

32. We'll talk about it over a can of cat food...

That I hope people like you struggle to find in the coming years.

[datasuspect]

34. wow,

didn't take too long for your truth to come out!

[The Link]

35. Bingo.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

36. Don't worry. There's quite a variety...

This is the one I recommend for you and the Itsy Bitchy Committee:

[datasuspect]

37. did you hotlink that image?

because all i see is a hardcore porn image.

[datasuspect]

47. wow

do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

[Bluenorthwest]

46. And I wonder if Stills would approve of that horrid comment?

Perhaps we will have to ask him if he also wishes to see others eating cat food. Are you claiming Stills would say shit like that, or are you just exploiting his famous name as a shield to fling your own poison at others.
A seriously vile remark. Mitt worthy, which is as bad as it gets.

[demwing]

40. Seems like that was your goal /nt

[datasuspect]

45. not really

i always speak my mind, i can't help it if stragglers come along with agendas.

hugs and kisses,


datasuspect

[spanone]

48. and back at you.

[datasuspect]

50. don't be so naive

you can't give people on the internets bullets with which they can turn around and shoot you?

[spanone]

52. whatever you say

[Bake]

21. Stills is HARDLY washed up.

He's still a helluva musician, and a relevant voice. At least as relevant as yours.

Bake

[Peregrine Took]

86. Perfect example of the "star ego syndrome."

How often do you hear of someone who is tops in their field be in engineering, medicine, law, finance or show biz and their ego becomes so large they think they can speak as experts in other fields, too - especially politics.

IMO he falls into this category plus he did not seem like a very nice person. I thought he was quite rude to that Viet vet who called up to state his views on the slated CPI change.

Also, he (Sills) seemed rude to Jim who is one of my favorite people (Chris, too, of course)

[Cha]

97. Your Ignorance is showing.. Stephen Stills is known for actually helping kids

"Playing music is a wonderful opportunity for young people to experience self-expression and greater self-esteem. In addition, playing music with other people offers a unique way to communicate outside the boundaries of words and ideas. A person’s heritage, ethnic origin or situation in life don’t come up with you’re creating music together." Furthermore, studies have shown that the creative learning process in music and arts programs fosters an enhanced ability to learn traditional curriculum. Students who have this kind of experience average 50 points higher on SAT scores than students who have not.

Existing music programs for children have been hurt and new programs discouraged by the recent cutbacks in government funding. They desperately need assistance, both with funding and with promotion and public outreach. Our project will particularly focus on programs in poor areas that have been especially affected.

We will work closely with the Tides Center and other local community organizations as well as an outstanding, working Board of Advisors to help in any way we can to ensure quality music programs are available to any children who are interested in embracing the creative spirit."

Stephen Stills

http://www.stephenstillsmusic.org/intro.html

http://www.tides.org/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2636901

[sheshe2]

112. Excellent Link, Cha.

From your Link:

"Playing music is a wonderful opportunity for young people to experience self-expression and greater self-esteem. In addition, playing music with other people offers a unique way to communicate outside the boundaries of words and ideas. A person’s heritage, ethnic origin or situation in life don’t come up with you’re creating music together." Furthermore, studies have shown that the creative learning process in music and arts programs fosters an enhanced ability to learn traditional curriculum. Students who have this kind of experience average 50 points higher on SAT scores than students who have not.

Kudos to Stephen Stills, for helping our children, our future, to excel. To communicate, whether it be with music or art or with dreams. We give our children the wings to fly, so they might soar.

Beautiful!

[Cha]

113. Yes! That's what I'm talkin' about, she! "Teach Your Children Well"..

It's Prophetic.

Thanks She!

[sheshe2]

117. And know they love you.

Our children are the ones that will lead us forward. If we teach them well, it will be our most awesome contribution to our future.

Thanks, Cha.

PS, always loved that song.

[Cha]

121. Me too, always loved that song.. and Our House

..singing along with them on the vinyl.. substituting "two kids" in the yard for two cats.

You're Welcome, She

[bluedigger]

116. "i get him and graham nash mixed up."

Well, there's your problem. You don't know what you're talking about, yet you have to share it in public.

[Skraxx]

2. Wow, Whow Knew Stills Was So Politically Saavy?

[haikugal]

5. Shallow at best..

head in sand at worst. Three dimensional chess my ass.

[warrior1]

12. according to what I read from

Press briefing:

Q Speaking of revenue, as you know, the President has this inflation-adjustment proposal in this plan. Time and again, the President has said that he would not raise taxes on the middle class. One of the effects of that so-called chained CPI inflation adjustment is that it kicks people into higher tax brackets faster. That’s an impact on the middle class. Isn’t that an increase on the middle class, and is the President backtracking on this --

MR. CARNEY: Well, let’s be clear, this is a technical adjustment to the so-called CPI -- called chained CPI that has been advocated by Republicans, that Mitch McConnell asked for in a letter that he presented during the negotiations over these budget issues. The offer that the President made to Speaker Boehner, and which is incorporated in the President’s budget, is not the President’s ideal approach to our budget challenges, but it is a serious compromise proposition that demonstrates that he wants to get things done, that he believes that we in Washington ought to do the business of the American people by coming together and finding common ground.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/04/05/press-briefing-press-secretary-jay-carney-452013


But boner dismissed this out of hand.

I think I'll trust the President on this for now. He's calling their bluff.

[Jim Lane]

101. Carney's spin will carry no weight in 2014.

Let's make every assumption favorable to Obama -- that he's brilliantly calling their bluff, that nothing will come of this because they won't accept any deal, but that anyone who studies the whole episode will conclude that the Republicans are a bunch of hypocrites bent only on obstruction.

So what?

Anyone who's going to trouble to study the facts knows that already. What millions of voters will hear in 2014 is that "the Democrats" (through the leader of their party) tried to cut Social Security but the Republicans protected it.

You say that, in light of McConnell's letter, no one could make that argument with a straight face, and no one with two functioning brain cells to rub together could fall for it? Go look at the polling results about how many people think Obama was born in Kenya, or how many credited Romney for bin Laden's death, or how many blamed the (nonexistent organization) ACORN for voter fraud that re-elected Obama.

Obama should have learned by now that he needs to be much more willing to get into a confrontation. Carney says this budget "is not the President’s ideal approach"? Well, dammit, let him send up a budget that is his ideal approach, and see if the Republicans propose an amendment to cut Social Security.

[n2doc]

25. The very model of a Limousine Liberal n/t

[datasuspect]

33. the very LAST type of person

who needs to be chiming in about shit that fucks with poor people's lives.

come on people now, smile on your brother my ASS!

[spanone]

62. yes, your ass. that's not even his song...get your facts right.

[datasuspect]

66. it's all stupid hippie shit to me anyway

that's why i get them mixed up.

[spanone]

68. 'stupid hippy shit' .....speaking of irrelevance.....adios

[datasuspect]

72. i sorry

i get carried away when it comes to hippies, i was raised by them.

[Hekate]

119. Well, you are a piece of work and no mistake. nt

[Cha]

94. Before you throw around "Limousine Liberal" you should know

how Stephen Stills actually helps kids.

"Playing music is a wonderful opportunity for young people to experience self-expression and greater self-esteem. In addition, playing music with other people offers a unique way to communicate outside the boundaries of words and ideas. A person’s heritage, ethnic origin or situation in life don’t come up with you’re creating music together." Furthermore, studies have shown that the creative learning process in music and arts programs fosters an enhanced ability to learn traditional curriculum. Students who have this kind of experience average 50 points higher on SAT scores than students who have not.

Existing music programs for children have been hurt and new programs discouraged by the recent cutbacks in government funding. They desperately need assistance, both with funding and with promotion and public outreach. Our project will particularly focus on programs in poor areas that have been especially affected.

We will work closely with the Tides Center and other local community organizations as well as an outstanding, working Board of Advisors to help in any way we can to ensure quality music programs are available to any children who are interested in embracing the creative spirit."

Stephen Stills

http://www.stephenstillsmusic.org/intro.html

http://www.tides.org/

I say.. Bless his Heart

[Scuba]

39. Love his music, hope he's right about the CPI. Here's the youtube clip ..

[L0oniX]

41. whatever

[Dreamer Tatum]

44. I'm with you

I'm holding out for Engelbert Humperdinck's analysis.

[Dreamer Tatum]

42. What about Hamilton, Joe Frank, and Reynolds?

What do they think? Also curious to know what Alan O'Day and maybe John Oates have to say.
I'm surprised Billy Preston hasn't weighed in. Likewise David Gates. I know not everyone lends his
opinion much credence, but it might be useful to hear what Morris Albert has to say, too.

[datasuspect]

49. close the thread

ha ha!

[Dreamer Tatum]

51. Can't close it til someone reaches out to England Dan and/or John Ford Coley nt

[datasuspect]

53. bread can play music at the fundraiser

black oak arkansas can warm the audience up.

[Dreamer Tatum]

54. Come on. These critical issues in political economy are not the forum for your jokes.

Your time would be better spent gathering the views of the Starland Vocal Band, and if not them, then certainly
the Bay City Rollers.

[datasuspect]

58. maria maldaur and dan fogleberg are standing by for comment

[Zen Democrat]

63. Dan Fogleberg is deceased. And it's Muldaur btw.

[datasuspect]

64. my my

someone is finicky today, do you have a case of the mondays?

[MotherPetrie]

57. Bwahahahaha! I'm holding out for Brewer & Shipley.

[G_j]

43. fine

he is entitled to his opinion.
Personally, I think Bernie is way more knowledgable about SS.

[Beacool]

55. My, are some people bitter over here.

Stills has been supporting Democratic causes for years and he's not entitled to his opinion, particularly when he's responding to questions during an interview???????

Wow, just wow..........

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

56. If it's just a "maneuver" why doesn't Obama say so?

Better yet, how about televising live all the negotiations between Obama and the Republicans? After all, Obama promised "transparency in government".

[MineralMan]

69. Ah. Like the guy at the poker tournament?

Last edited Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:05 PM - Edit history (1)

Now, watch this, you guys! I'm holding crap in my hand, but I'm going to pretend I have something great, so you'll all fold and let me rake in this pot, small as it is.

I see those guys do that all the time...you bet.

If he is bluffing, and I did say "if," how do you bluff and tell people you're bluffing at the same time? Can you explain that?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

78. So, if the bluff is so obvious, even to the Repubs, who is he trying to mislead, lie to, deceive?

[MineralMan]

80. Did I say it was obvious, or even a bluff?

I didn't, because I have no idea. If it is a bluff, it's sure fooled a lot of people on DU. If it's not, more's the pity.

We shall see, I suppose, one way or another.

[demwing]

87. So did Obama win or lose?

The thing with a poker, its' always pretty clear when you win. Winning is the goal, not being a successful bluffer.

[MineralMan]

89. The hand hasn't been played out, yet, so I can't say.

Still some cards to be turned over.

[Cha]

100. Lol n/m

[Zen Democrat]

71. If Obama's playing poker, why doesn't he just lay all his cards on the table and lose?

No kidding, transparency has NOTHING to do with negotiations in the real world. Information is power.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

77. Well, many here seemed to have figured out that it's "just a maneuver" so what's the point?

Presumably, even the dumbass Repubs could figure it out...if it is "just a maneuver."

Or, if it is "just a maneuver" who is he trying to bluff. The American people?

[datasuspect]

83. he already cashed his check(s)

there will be plenty more to come for at least 4 generations of his family.

[AtomicKitten]

59. "amazing boat music"

[Zen Democrat]

60. Stephen Stills is a legendary musician and a great Democrat. Cheers for Stephen!

And anyone selling him short, as a singer, guitar master, songwriter, or political activist is showing their gross ignorance.

[Cha]

102. Exactly, Zen.. not to mention his work in Music now with kids who are poor and

otherwise.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2636901

[datasuspect]

70. the one song about the vietnam war that was not about the vietnam war

There's something happening here,
What it is ain't exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun over there,
Telling me I've got to beware.

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down.

There's battle lines being drawn,
And nobody's right if everybody's wrong.
Young people speaking there minds,
And getting so much resistance from behind.

It's time we stop, hey what's that sound,
Everybody look what's going down.

What a field day for the heat,
A thousand people in the street.
Singing songs and a carrying signs,
Mostly saying hooray for our side.

It's time we stop, hey what's that sound,
Everybody look what's going down.

Paranoia strikes deep,
Into your life it will creep.
It starts when you're always afraid,
Step out of line,the men come and take you away.

We better stop,hey what's that sound,
Everybody look what's going down.(repeat until fade)


it was about a bunch of spoiled teenagers who wanted to create a ruckus all night with their goofballs and reefers.

then the cops told them: "no, go home and come back tomorrow."

and all these kids from the suburbs said, "Like, wow, man, that isn't groovy."

then stephen stills wrote that song.

[Zen Democrat]

75. You're talking about the man who wrote "Find The Cost of Freedom"

and Do For The Others, Helplessly Hoping, We Are Not Helpless, Wooden Ships.

And let me be among the many to tell you, you don't know anything about Stills. And you're exposing yourself as a clown with the comments you're making. For What It's Worth is about the infamous LA police and paranoia.

[datasuspect]

76. i like haulin oats better than that

or bread for that matter.

stephen stills couldn't even carry a career by himself like neil young has (someone who actually HAS talent).

[rurallib]

81. Well congratulations for being the first ever on my ignore list.

[datasuspect]

82. cool post bro

[Cha]

104. What!? And, miss out all the scathing ingorance! n/m

[green for victory]

84. haulin oats

[napkinz]

91. And Neil Young voted for -- and admitted to voting for -- George HW Bush

in 1988.

Yeah, it shocked me too.

Neil is no conservative.

So when anyone is attacking Neil or Stills, just remember, we all make mistakes. And those mistakes don't necessarily define -- or undermine -- a lifetime devoted to the right causes.

[datasuspect]

93. the lines have crossed so much

that the lines are almost meaningless.

if it works for the people, good.

if it makes rich people richer, watch out.

[DemocratsForProgress]

103. Neil Young can't vote in US elections

FYI

[Zen Democrat]

108. That's odd, since Neil Young is not an American citizen, although his wife and kids are.

[napkinz]

110. Well I know what I heard on the radio

I was so shocked I even remember WHERE I heard it ... I was coming out of a Burger King parking lot, had turned on a rock station, and there was Neil Young himself talking about supporting George HW Bush for president.

I couldn't believe my ears.

I know Neil Young is no conservative. But I have no idea what was going on in his life back in the late 80s that would lead him astray.

But in the 90s and since, he found his way back.

[Hekate]

122. You have marinated in your cynicism and bitterness too long

You apparently know nothing about my generation, nothing.

I read through this thread and see a person who exists to stir trouble -- doesn't matter what anyone says to you, doesn't matter what the facts are, as for Stephen Sills it doesn't matter that he puts his money where his mouth is regarding helping kids and Dems, none of that matters because you have a smartass answer for it all, relying on slurs and dirt to upset people and when they react you either gloat that you got a reaction or play the victim.

How do you live inside that head?

And oh yeah I have known people like that in real life.

[limpyhobbler]

79. wild and crazy idea

see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022631536

[WinkyDink]

88. Well, his opinion is as open to criticism as anyone's.

[warrprayer]

95. I love this thread

I am a serious Stills fan (Manassus was my favorite ALBUM). And to be honest Data Suspect has me laughing my ass off. Nothing is sacred. And Stills would probably be the first to tell us that.

[Cha]

105. I love that Stephen Stills is Still going Strong and helping Kids with Music

Now..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2636901

[warrprayer]

106. The three men I admire most

the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, they caught the last train for the coast - the day the music died. (CS&N)

[Cha]

107. thanks for that, warrprayer n/m

[sheshe2]

114. +1 warrprayer! nt

[duffyduff]

96. He needs to stick with his day job. He clearly isn't qualified as a political pundit. n/t

[Cha]

98. Stephen Stills has a right to speak out as much as any

anonymous internet poster does.

[warrprayer]

99. he was a delegate

at the Democratic Nation Convention at one point, according to Wiki.
Apparently someone thought he was qualified.

[Cha]

109. Thanks for the thread, Comrade McKenzie..

Carry On!

[Poll_Blind]

118. Stephen Stills: Superficial and (apparently) easily suckered. nt

PB

[sheshe2]

120. Thank your thread, Commrade_Mckenzie

Your thread seemed to get hijacked, for those that care, it did not.

Great message.

Thanks for all your help.

sheshe2