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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWow my potential SS disability benefit is more than my benefit at age 62.
Looking up my SS estimated benefit and no wonder people are applying for SSDI in droves.
If you don't have anything saved and are going to retire on just SS you are better off getting the disability benefit.
Waiting til full retirement age gets me an extra $50/month. Retiring early at 62 is over $500 less.
I wonder what will happen when this trust fund runs out in approximately 2016.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)what would we do without you?
Lasher
(29,576 posts)If the SS disability trust fund runs out, money will be transferred into it from the retirement trust fund.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Or is that assumed?
Lasher
(29,576 posts)Such transfers have occurred before, going both ways.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)See this DU thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101660179
dkf
(37,305 posts)Thanks!
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Without knowing whether or not funds will run out, I have little confidence that anyone in DC will care.
I anticipate an increase in suicides, to be quite frank about it.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)after 2034. This is according to the Soc. Sec. Admin. Really, the Heritage Foundation is not giving you the right information.
dawg
(10,777 posts)Not retirement benefits. That's the difference.
dkf
(37,305 posts)And DU had great info.
Marr
(20,317 posts)telling us that Obama would never, ever, ever propose cuts to Social Security, to telling us why cuts to Social Security would actually be the pragmatic, even heroic, thing to do.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2637092
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=297857
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It is not two sets of benefits one higher than the other, nor is disability an option open to you just because you want to retire.
dawg
(10,777 posts)Disability, although most recipients have contributed *some* towards their payments, still has the nature of being a social welfare program. The non-disabled are taxed, and those funds are reallocated to the disabled.
I'm all for that. I think it's part of what a decent society does to insure the welfare of it's citizens. But I don't see why our contributions to take care of the disabled should stop at $113,000 of income. For that matter, I don't see why only wage income should be taxed in order to pay for disability benefits. It strikes me as a system that has been rigged against the middle and working classes.
pinto
(106,886 posts)The main driver for increased SSDI applications is simple demographics. As the huge baby boomer generation ages, more workers become disabled, unable to work and more apply for SSDI benefits.
And, fwiw, you just don't "get" the disability benefit. It's a pretty thoroughly vetted medical process. A recent letter from eight past SSA administrators in re: Social Security Disability Insurance outlines the process and comments on the recent "Unfit for Work" series. Give it a read. ~ pinto
April 4, 2013
An Open Letter from Former Commissioners of the Social Security Administration
As former Commissioners of the Social Security Administration (SSA), we write to express our significant concerns regarding a series recently aired on This American Life, All Things Considered, and National Public Radio stations across the U.S. ("Unfit for Work: The Startling Rise of Disability in America"
Approximately 1 in 5 of our fellow Americans live with disabilities, but only those with the most significant disabilities qualify for disability benefits under Title II and Title XVI of the Social Security Act. Title II Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (DI) benefits and Title XVI Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits provide critical support to millions of Americans with the most severe disabilities, as well as their dependents and survivors. Disabled beneficiaries often report multiple impairments, and many have such poor health that they are terminally ill: about 1 in 5 male DI beneficiaries and 1 in 7 female DI beneficiaries die within 5 years of receiving benefits. Despite their impairments, many beneficiaries at tempt work using the work incentives under the Social Security Act, and some do work part-time. For example, research by Mathematica and SSA finds that about 17 percent of beneficiaries worked in 2007. However,their earnings are generally very low (two-thirds of those who worked in 2007 earned less than $5,000 for the whole year), and only a small share are able to earn enough to be self-sufficient and leave the DI and SSI programs each year. Without Social Security or SSI, the alternatives for many beneficiaries are simply unthinkable.
The statutory standard for approval is very strict, and was made even more so in 1996. To implement this strict standard, Social Security Administration (SSA) regulations, policies, and procedures require extensive documentation and medical evidence at all levels of the application process. Less than one-third of initial DI and SSI applications are approved, and only about 40 percent of adult DI and SSI applicants receive benefits even after all levels of appeal. As with adults, most children who apply are denied SSI, and only the most severely impaired qualify for benefits.
Managing the eligibility process for the disability system is a challenging task, and errors will always occur in any system of this size.But the SSA makes every effort to pay benefits to the right person in the right amount at the right time. When an individual applies for one of SSAs disability programs, the agency has extensive systems in place to ensure accurate decisions, and the agency is home to many dedicated public servants who take their ongoing responsibility of the proper stewardship of the programs very seriously. Program integrity is critically important and adequate funds must be available to make continued progress in quality assurance and monitoring. In the face of annual appropriations that were far below what the President requested in Fiscal Year 2011 and Fiscal Year 2012, the agency has still continued to implement many new system improvements that protect taxpayers and live up to Americans commitment to protect the most vulnerable in our society.
It is true that DI has grown significantly in the past 30 years.The growth that weve seen was predicted by actuaries as early as 1994 and is mostly the result of two factors:baby boomers entering their high -disability years, and women entering the workforce in large numbers in the 1970s and 1980s so that more are now "insured" for DI based on their own prior contributions. The increase in the number of children receiving SSI benefits in the past decade is similarly explained by larger economic factors, namely the increase in the number of poor and low-income children. More than 1 in 5 U.S. children live in poverty today and some 44 percent live in low-income households. Since SSI is a means-tested program, more poor and low-income children mean more children with disabilities are financially eligible for benefits. Importantly, the share of low-income children who receive SSI benefits has remained constant at less than four percent.
Yet, the series aired on NPR sensationalizes this growth, as well as the DI trust funds projected shortfall. History tells a less dramatic story. Since Social Security was enacted, Congress has "reallocated" payroll tax revenues across the OASI and DI trust fundsabout equally in both directions some 11 times to account for demographic shifts. In 1994, the last time such reallocation occurred, SSA actuaries projected that similar action would next be required in 2016. They were right on target. We are deeply concerned that the series Unfit for Work failed to tell the whole story and perpetuated dangerous myths about the Social Security disability programs and the people helped by this vital system. We fear that listeners may come away with an incorrect impression of the program as opposed to an understanding of the program actually based on facts.
As former Commissioners of the agency, we could not sit on the sidelines and witness this one perspective on the disability programs threaten to pull the rug out from under millions of people with severe disabilities. Drastic changes to these programs would lead to drastic consequences for some of America's most vulnerable people. With the lives of so many vulnerable people at stake, it is vital that future reporting on the DI and SSI programs look at all parts of this important issue and take a balanced, careful look at how to preserve and strengthen these vital parts of our nations Social Security system.
Sincerely,
Kenneth S. Apfel
Michael J. Astrue
Jo Anne B. Barnhart
Shirley S. Chater
Herbert R. Doggette
Louis D. Enoff
Larry G. Massanari
Lawrence H. Thompson
dkf
(37,305 posts)Which is why I was surprised at how the most recent reports characterized it.
A fuller picture is emerging.
Thanks.
pinto
(106,886 posts)You're welcome. I was pleased to see eight SSA admins choose to speak up on the issue.
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)and no, it was not applied to for economic reasons. It was a health issue that left her utterly unable to work. It still took a lawyer and nearly 3 years to get her on it.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)for disability. Just what kind of disability do you have and how long ago did you apply for it and how long have you been getting it may I ask?
haele
(15,396 posts)It would take you at least two to four years to get approved for disability - and that's if you really do have a disability. If not, you just wasted two to four years and annoyed a judge.
So, if you really that tired of working, just stop working and wait for full retirement - it will get you the same amount of Social Security money in the long run ninety-nine times out of one hundred.
In the mean time, what do you plan to do to support yourself? When my significant other/co-supplier of household income became seriously "could not even get out of bed for weeks" disabled, it took three and a half years before he was approved for SSDI.
In the mean time, we took an estimated $1200 to $2000 a month hit in our net income because he couldn't work and we still had to pay for all his doctors trying to figure out how to keep him from getting worse. In Southern California, that's the difference between paying your mortgage and taxes and not.
When he finally got SSDI, it did not come to even a quarter of the income he used to make as a Radio Shack manager in the mid '90s.
Haele
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)and have no disability that would qualify for SSI.
Applying for disability doesn't mean you would get it.
Besides, I have just under four years to go to get early SS. It wouldn't make sense to go through a process I wouldn't win anyway.
MFM008
(20,042 posts)the fact that the gop and conservatives have made SS/SSI the new target. Do you know how tough it is to get disability? Most people are rejected or have to reapply multiple times. You used to have to have 3 concurring Doctors opinions on your disability. Then you wait, and wait. Then if approved , you have continual checkups to determine if you are STILL disabled. Yes there are cheaters just like ...rich guys who cheat on taxes .................
newfie11
(8,159 posts)Dream on if you think it is easy to get disability.
MineralMan
(151,266 posts)isn't easy at all. In fact over 75% of SSDI applications are not approved on the first pass. Without legal representation, it can be very difficult to get approved, and that legal assistance is not free. Unless your disability is clear and you are completely unable to work, it's unlikely that you'll be approved.
Don't overestimate the likelihood of qualifying.
Lex
(34,108 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)there's no actual choice to be made here.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)MineralMan
(151,266 posts)Anyone with any knowledge of SSDI knows how hard qualification can be.
aandegoons
(473 posts)Can you tell us how to get disability without being disabled?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)It's not as easy as it looks. And a lot of people don't make enough money to be 1% level investors.
My mother worked all her life and if she had $20 left over at the end of the month she was doing good.