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dkf

(37,305 posts)
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:48 PM Apr 2013

Wow my potential SS disability benefit is more than my benefit at age 62.

Looking up my SS estimated benefit and no wonder people are applying for SSDI in droves.

If you don't have anything saved and are going to retire on just SS you are better off getting the disability benefit.

Waiting til full retirement age gets me an extra $50/month. Retiring early at 62 is over $500 less.

I wonder what will happen when this trust fund runs out in approximately 2016.

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Wow my potential SS disability benefit is more than my benefit at age 62. (Original Post) dkf Apr 2013 OP
another welfare queen meme? CreekDog Apr 2013 #1
I believe the SS disability benefit equals your standard benefit at full retirement age. Lasher Apr 2013 #2
So that is written into the code that it comes from the retirement fund? dkf Apr 2013 #4
It requires an act of Congress. Lasher Apr 2013 #15
Around 2016 they reallocate payroll tax payments so more goes into DI and less in OASI... PoliticAverse Apr 2013 #3
That's good info that I missed dkf Apr 2013 #7
What will happen? NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #5
Even if they do nothing to adjust it, it will still be able to pay 80% of benefits Cleita Apr 2013 #6
She's just talking about the disability portion. dawg Apr 2013 #8
This is about SS disability specifically. dkf Apr 2013 #12
Welcome to the Rationalization Phase, everyone. The Excuse Crew now switches from Marr Apr 2013 #9
A disability benefit automatically becomes a retirement benefit at the proper age threshold Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #10
I think the payroll cap should be lifted for the disability portion of Social Security. dawg Apr 2013 #11
The assumption that people are applying for SSDI "in droves" for financial reasons is a bust. pinto Apr 2013 #13
Yes I was under the impression it was hard to get... dkf Apr 2013 #16
Yeah, the recent media characterizations miss the fuller picture. As they often do. pinto Apr 2013 #17
It took years for my wife to get it 1-Old-Man Apr 2013 #20
You don't just "get" SSDI. See the D ? That stands upaloopa Apr 2013 #14
Well, if you are 62 now and thinking of going on disability, you might as well wait for retirement. haele Apr 2013 #18
I am underemployed, but I don't qualify to apply for SSDI (not enough recent quarters) duffyduff Apr 2013 #32
im getting real sick of MFM008 Apr 2013 #19
That's because SS disability is the amount you would get at your full retirement age newfie11 Apr 2013 #21
So you may think, but qualifying for SSDI MineralMan Apr 2013 #22
Are you disabled? Lex Apr 2013 #23
No. s/he's just catapulting the propaganda. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #24
I figured. So . . . Lex Apr 2013 #25
no. just that poster's usual anti-SS schtick. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #28
No, it's game-playing only. MineralMan Apr 2013 #26
Odd I get zero since I am not disabled aandegoons Apr 2013 #27
Try getting it before getting all excited. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #29
It's almost impossible to get it. n/t duffyduff Apr 2013 #30
you know it and I know it but our resident anti SS poster doesn't care. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #31
I know. That person hates the very existence of SS and Medicare. n/t duffyduff Apr 2013 #33

Lasher

(29,576 posts)
2. I believe the SS disability benefit equals your standard benefit at full retirement age.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:54 PM
Apr 2013

If the SS disability trust fund runs out, money will be transferred into it from the retirement trust fund.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
4. So that is written into the code that it comes from the retirement fund?
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:55 PM
Apr 2013

Or is that assumed?

Lasher

(29,576 posts)
15. It requires an act of Congress.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:18 PM
Apr 2013

Such transfers have occurred before, going both ways.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. What will happen?
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:56 PM
Apr 2013

Without knowing whether or not funds will run out, I have little confidence that anyone in DC will care.

I anticipate an increase in suicides, to be quite frank about it.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
6. Even if they do nothing to adjust it, it will still be able to pay 80% of benefits
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:57 PM
Apr 2013

after 2034. This is according to the Soc. Sec. Admin. Really, the Heritage Foundation is not giving you the right information.

dawg

(10,777 posts)
8. She's just talking about the disability portion.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:00 PM
Apr 2013

Not retirement benefits. That's the difference.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
9. Welcome to the Rationalization Phase, everyone. The Excuse Crew now switches from
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:03 PM
Apr 2013

telling us that Obama would never, ever, ever propose cuts to Social Security, to telling us why cuts to Social Security would actually be the pragmatic, even heroic, thing to do.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2637092

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=297857

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. A disability benefit automatically becomes a retirement benefit at the proper age threshold
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:04 PM
Apr 2013

It is not two sets of benefits one higher than the other, nor is disability an option open to you just because you want to retire.

dawg

(10,777 posts)
11. I think the payroll cap should be lifted for the disability portion of Social Security.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:05 PM
Apr 2013

Disability, although most recipients have contributed *some* towards their payments, still has the nature of being a social welfare program. The non-disabled are taxed, and those funds are reallocated to the disabled.

I'm all for that. I think it's part of what a decent society does to insure the welfare of it's citizens. But I don't see why our contributions to take care of the disabled should stop at $113,000 of income. For that matter, I don't see why only wage income should be taxed in order to pay for disability benefits. It strikes me as a system that has been rigged against the middle and working classes.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
13. The assumption that people are applying for SSDI "in droves" for financial reasons is a bust.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:12 PM
Apr 2013

The main driver for increased SSDI applications is simple demographics. As the huge baby boomer generation ages, more workers become disabled, unable to work and more apply for SSDI benefits.

And, fwiw, you just don't "get" the disability benefit. It's a pretty thoroughly vetted medical process. A recent letter from eight past SSA administrators in re: Social Security Disability Insurance outlines the process and comments on the recent "Unfit for Work" series. Give it a read. ~ pinto

Open Letter From Eight Former Social Security Commissioners

April 4, 2013

An Open Letter from Former Commissioners of the Social Security Administration

As former Commissioners of the Social Security Administration (SSA), we write to express our significant concerns regarding a series recently aired on This American Life, All Things Considered, and National Public Radio stations across the U.S. ("Unfit for Work: The Startling Rise of Disability in America&quot . Our nation’s Social Security system serves as a vital lifeline for millions of individuals with severe disabilities. We feel compelled to share our unique insight into the Social Security system because we know firsthand the dangers of mischaracterizing the disability programs via sensational,anecdote-based media accounts, leaving vulnerable beneficiaries to pick up the pieces.

Approximately 1 in 5 of our fellow Americans live with disabilities, but only those with the most significant disabilities qualify for disability benefits under Title II and Title XVI of the Social Security Act. Title II Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (DI) benefits and Title XVI Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits provide critical support to millions of Americans with the most severe disabilities, as well as their dependents and survivors. Disabled beneficiaries often report multiple impairments, and many have such poor health that they are terminally ill: about 1 in 5 male DI beneficiaries and 1 in 7 female DI beneficiaries die within 5 years of receiving benefits. Despite their impairments, many beneficiaries at tempt work using the work incentives under the Social Security Act, and some do work part-time. For example, research by Mathematica and SSA finds that about 17 percent of beneficiaries worked in 2007. However,their earnings are generally very low (two-thirds of those who worked in 2007 earned less than $5,000 for the whole year), and only a small share are able to earn enough to be self-sufficient and leave the DI and SSI programs each year. Without Social Security or SSI, the alternatives for many beneficiaries are simply unthinkable.

The statutory standard for approval is very strict, and was made even more so in 1996. To implement this strict standard, Social Security Administration (SSA) regulations, policies, and procedures require extensive documentation and medical evidence at all levels of the application process. Less than one-third of initial DI and SSI applications are approved, and only about 40 percent of adult DI and SSI applicants receive benefits even after all levels of appeal. As with adults, most children who apply are denied SSI, and only the most severely impaired qualify for benefits.

Managing the eligibility process for the disability system is a challenging task, and errors will always occur in any system of this size.But the SSA makes every effort to pay benefits to the right person in the right amount at the right time. When an individual applies for one of SSA’s disability programs, the agency has extensive systems in place to ensure accurate decisions, and the agency is home to many dedicated public servants who take their ongoing responsibility of the proper stewardship of the programs very seriously. Program integrity is critically important and adequate funds must be available to make continued progress in quality assurance and monitoring. In the face of annual appropriations that were far below what the President requested in Fiscal Year 2011 and Fiscal Year 2012, the agency has still continued to implement many new system improvements that protect taxpayers and live up to Americans’ commitment to protect the most vulnerable in our society.

It is true that DI has grown significantly in the past 30 years.The growth that we’ve seen was predicted by actuaries as early as 1994 and is mostly the result of two factors:baby boomers entering their high -disability years, and women entering the workforce in large numbers in the 1970s and 1980s so that more are now "insured" for DI based on their own prior contributions. The increase in the number of children receiving SSI benefits in the past decade is similarly explained by larger economic factors, namely the increase in the number of poor and low-income children. More than 1 in 5 U.S. children live in poverty today and some 44 percent live in low-income households. Since SSI is a means-tested program, more poor and low-income children mean more children with disabilities are financially eligible for benefits. Importantly, the share of low-income children who receive SSI benefits has remained constant at less than four percent.

Yet, the series aired on NPR sensationalizes this growth, as well as the DI trust fund’s projected shortfall. History tells a less dramatic story. Since Social Security was enacted, Congress has "reallocated" payroll tax revenues across the OASI and DI trust funds–about equally in both directions – some 11 times to account for demographic shifts. In 1994, the last time such reallocation occurred, SSA actuaries projected that similar action would next be required in 2016. They were right on target. We are deeply concerned that the series “Unfit for Work” failed to tell the whole story and perpetuated dangerous myths about the Social Security disability programs and the people helped by this vital system. We fear that listeners may come away with an incorrect impression of the program — as opposed to an understanding of the program actually based on facts.

As former Commissioners of the agency, we could not sit on the sidelines and witness this one perspective on the disability programs threaten to pull the rug out from under millions of people with severe disabilities. Drastic changes to these programs would lead to drastic consequences for some of America's most vulnerable people. With the lives of so many vulnerable people at stake, it is vital that future reporting on the DI and SSI programs look at all parts of this important issue and take a balanced, careful look at how to preserve and strengthen these vital parts of our nation’s Social Security system.

Sincerely,

Kenneth S. Apfel
Michael J. Astrue
Jo Anne B. Barnhart
Shirley S. Chater
Herbert R. Doggette
Louis D. Enoff
Larry G. Massanari
Lawrence H. Thompson

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
16. Yes I was under the impression it was hard to get...
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:19 PM
Apr 2013

Which is why I was surprised at how the most recent reports characterized it.

A fuller picture is emerging.

Thanks.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
17. Yeah, the recent media characterizations miss the fuller picture. As they often do.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:25 PM
Apr 2013

You're welcome. I was pleased to see eight SSA admins choose to speak up on the issue.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
20. It took years for my wife to get it
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:34 PM
Apr 2013

and no, it was not applied to for economic reasons. It was a health issue that left her utterly unable to work. It still took a lawyer and nearly 3 years to get her on it.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
14. You don't just "get" SSDI. See the D ? That stands
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:17 PM
Apr 2013

for disability. Just what kind of disability do you have and how long ago did you apply for it and how long have you been getting it may I ask?

haele

(15,396 posts)
18. Well, if you are 62 now and thinking of going on disability, you might as well wait for retirement.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:34 PM
Apr 2013

It would take you at least two to four years to get approved for disability - and that's if you really do have a disability. If not, you just wasted two to four years and annoyed a judge.

So, if you really that tired of working, just stop working and wait for full retirement - it will get you the same amount of Social Security money in the long run ninety-nine times out of one hundred.

In the mean time, what do you plan to do to support yourself? When my significant other/co-supplier of household income became seriously "could not even get out of bed for weeks" disabled, it took three and a half years before he was approved for SSDI.
In the mean time, we took an estimated $1200 to $2000 a month hit in our net income because he couldn't work and we still had to pay for all his doctors trying to figure out how to keep him from getting worse. In Southern California, that's the difference between paying your mortgage and taxes and not.

When he finally got SSDI, it did not come to even a quarter of the income he used to make as a Radio Shack manager in the mid '90s.

Haele

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
32. I am underemployed, but I don't qualify to apply for SSDI (not enough recent quarters)
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:38 PM
Apr 2013

and have no disability that would qualify for SSI.

Applying for disability doesn't mean you would get it.

Besides, I have just under four years to go to get early SS. It wouldn't make sense to go through a process I wouldn't win anyway.

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
19. im getting real sick of
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:34 PM
Apr 2013

the fact that the gop and conservatives have made SS/SSI the new target. Do you know how tough it is to get disability? Most people are rejected or have to reapply multiple times. You used to have to have 3 concurring Doctors opinions on your disability. Then you wait, and wait. Then if approved , you have continual checkups to determine if you are STILL disabled. Yes there are cheaters just like ...rich guys who cheat on taxes .................

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
21. That's because SS disability is the amount you would get at your full retirement age
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:37 PM
Apr 2013

Dream on if you think it is easy to get disability.

MineralMan

(151,266 posts)
22. So you may think, but qualifying for SSDI
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:37 PM
Apr 2013

isn't easy at all. In fact over 75% of SSDI applications are not approved on the first pass. Without legal representation, it can be very difficult to get approved, and that legal assistance is not free. Unless your disability is clear and you are completely unable to work, it's unlikely that you'll be approved.

Don't overestimate the likelihood of qualifying.

MineralMan

(151,266 posts)
26. No, it's game-playing only.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:08 PM
Apr 2013

Anyone with any knowledge of SSDI knows how hard qualification can be.

aandegoons

(473 posts)
27. Odd I get zero since I am not disabled
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:21 PM
Apr 2013

Can you tell us how to get disability without being disabled?

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
29. Try getting it before getting all excited.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:34 PM
Apr 2013

It's not as easy as it looks. And a lot of people don't make enough money to be 1% level investors.
My mother worked all her life and if she had $20 left over at the end of the month she was doing good.

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