Knowing Hillary is the nominee now, will enable 2014 to be won nationally by the Democratic party

[graham4anything]

This is why it is far, far better to have the knowledge that Hillary will be the nominee.

Therefore, the vast majority of the Democratic Party, with all the GOTV of Axelrod and Plouiffe and with Bill and Hillary Clinton and all the Clinton people also firmly GOTV in all states, the
house will easily be taken back, and the Senate held.

In essence, this shall bring back Howard Dean's 50 state plan, even if it is not led by him,
or if it is led by him.

Which is why those that say 2014 first are wrong IMHO

And keep the 2014 focus reminding people what would have happened had the Senate been republican back when Bill Clinton was President.

All wedge issues aside, in 2014, that is the most important thing to stress.

What the republicans will do if they won the Senate back and held the house.

With the five most important people campaigning tiredlessly the point will be made and then,
working behind the scenes, especially with the anti-gun Mayors financing the proper candidates to run in red states where there might not have been a race at all


In 2016, it can be the different focus of course, and be a positive run campaign FOR someone and not against the other side

But in 2014, Bill and Hillary and Joe and Barack and Michelle need to emphasize how much damage will be done if the senate is overturned like it might have been back when Bill was president and the republicans wasted billions of dollars in a mob-like witchhunt attempting to overturn democracy in their zest to get out the Democratic president.

And not let any distractions stop them taking us back yet again and watching history repeat itself.
Nobody wants to see John Boehner become President, even for a minute.
(you don't think they would not attempt to impeach Joe Biden too do you?)

That would leave John Boehner as President, OR even worse, the repubs probably would overthrow him as speaker and put in Paul Ryan.

Can you imagine a President Ryan inserted in after impeaching?

IMHO.

[tkmorris]

1. If the president is impeached the Vice becomes Prez

Given that you got something so very basic incorrect I cannot give any consideration to the rest of your "argument".

[graham4anything]

11. One needs to read the entire post in all cases. The speaker would be President

It says so right in the bottom of the OP.
When I write, the entire post is there. Not just the top, but the last paragraph.

As good librarians know, one cannot just read the first page of a book without all the other pages, and without a last page, there is no book.
The last page of a book, be it Shakespeare or a trashy dime store pulp novel is always the most important.

Being that there would be zero reason to impeach (just like there was zero reason when they did it to Bill, Thank God the Senate was in Democratic hands and they said no to the foolish folly.
But this crew, if they had the both houses would indeed not stop at the President, but would also do the same for Vice President Biden.

Therefore
The choice is Hillary/Bill or Ryan instead of Hillary kicking Jeb's ass in 2016,

President Paul Ryan would be President45 in 2015. as the Speaker would be the new President, and Ryan would overthrow Boehner soon as they knew the Senate was in republican hands and the house was still republican.

[tkmorris]

17. Goddamn son, but reading your posts is hard work

You might want to try penning an outline first or something.

My post stands. If the President is impeached, the Vice becomes Pres, who then picks a NEW Vice, etc. That cycle could continue indefinitely without the Speaker ever getting a sniff of the White House.

[steelmania75]

2. Don't want Hillary.

I'm sick of this political dynasty by the Bushes and the Clintons, and they both sucked.

Elizabeth Warren/Alan Grayson for the Democrats or GTFO.

[Walk away]

7. I didn't know you could win the Presidency with a ten state plan! nt

[hobbit709]

3. My opinion of this drivel

[fishwax]

4. I don't follow

[NYC_SKP]

5. Oh Good Grief.

I'd rather just die of food poisoning.

Laughable concept. Hillary is not the progressive that we need right now. She's not even close.

Warren 2016.

[Electric Monk]

6. For awhile, I wondered if you were smoking crack while posting. Now I've stopped wondering. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

21. bwhahahaha

[KittyWampus]

8. The Clintons let the Democratic party ROT. They are too cozy with the Bush-Neo Cons. Sorry.

[JDPriestly]

9. At this point I do not want Hillary Clinton as our 2016 nominee.

That will mean more Fix the Debt, more chained CPI, more bank bail-outs, more cheap imports from countries like India and China and fewer jobs and less prosperity here.

Hillary Clinton is a corporate sell-out. Total DLC.

[winter is coming]

12. ^^ This. n/t

[MattBaggins]

10. We are going to have a full fledged primary and presidential debates

in the first year of the second term? That is nuts.

[Nye Bevan]

13. I like Hillary. But this is ridiculous. (nt)

[DearHeart]

14. It is only 2013 and you've already got Hillary elected

We need to stop focusing on who the candidate will be for the 2016 election and concentrate on getting progressive DEMS elected in 2014!

[sabrina 1]

15. No Hillary, thank you very much.

[theKed]

16. "Knowing Hillary is the nominee now..."

Did I miss the primaries...?

And anyways, the house can hold all the impeachment hearings they like. With a democrat senate it's all talk.

[Whisp]

18. sorry, but that is not going to happen.

she had her chance and blew it big time.

no do overs with all the ridiculous lies she told. that was her swan song and the music for Prezzy is over for her.

Tuzla? I saved Ireland? Obama just might be a Muslim, and all that rot, that maniacal laugh about angels on a pin when she was asked about Columbian unions... and scores more.

And the two words that stick in PUMA's craws, that came from Obama that were so harsh were: 'Likeable enough' and 'Disengenuous'.

omg, what a bastard that Obama is.

[JimDandy]

19. No. Primaries first.

DLC Hillary is not acceptable to this progressive.

[Whisp]

20. just a wild guess but I don't think the Obama team can stand Hillary.

they know her better than some of us do, that can't stand her.

[HiPointDem]

22. too old, too hawkish, too neoliberal and too clinton. no more fucking clintons, no more fucking

dynasties.

and that goes for your hedge fund daughter, too.

the middle class on the make -- worse than aristocrats.