Rachel Maddow insulting people with mental illness

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

Last edited Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:10 AM - Edit history (2)

I watch her show every night but something she said a couple of nights who really rubbed me the wrong way. I can't find the clip online but she was talking about the NRA-written Louisiana law that let an armed felon out of jail and then started talking about the gun show loophole and how someone with mental illness doesn't have to worry about background checks because they said they just can go buy one at a gun show.

I swear to Jesus, her quote re this topic was something like this:

"Go buy one AR-15, go buy 3. Go nuts. Oh wait, you already are."

Isn't this part of the prob in America? There's a stigma against mental illness and Rachel certainly isn't helping things by referring to people as "nuts". We stopped referring to people with mental retardation as "retards" and it is generally considered unacceptable to refer to mental illness sufferers as "nuts". She wasn't talking about Loughner or Lanza here, she was talking about your average person who might fail a background check due to mental illness history. If we are trying to deal with the stigma of mental illness then she isn't helping. I asked my friends who are also fans of the show and they agreed it was out of line. My conservative friends didn't see the problem with what she said.

I emailed her and asked her to apologize on air for what she said. Ill try to find the clip or feel free to post it. This is the only time where I've actually physically recoiled at something she said. This is something Limbaugh would say. You're better than that, Rachel. Now apologize.

What say you? Honestly I expect to hear some defend her but I hope not. It was out of line.

Edit: For the people that think I'm just bashing rachel, here's a thread I made last year in praise of her show as the best on tv. 96 recs::

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251174836

Or this show of hers that made me cry:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251217722

[loyalsister]

1. I remember that

It rubbed me the wrong way too. Very disappointed in Rachel. She should know better.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

2. Please email her

If we all email her and ask her to apologize on air I think she will. I would forgive her. But until she does it is current tv from 9-10. Let's hope she isn't too prideful.

[loyalsister]

8. I will

Thanks for the suggestion. I can be pretty lazy about stuff like that. It definitely needs to be addressed.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

20. You know you're the only one in this thread who thinks so?

Besides me, of course. See for yourself. Isn't that pathetic? Those with mental illness are apparently one of the few groups that it is okay to make fun of oh here.

[loyalsister]

28. It breaks my heart

I have a sort of kinship with people who have mental illnesses because I have Epilepsy. It is treated with the same balancing efficacy vs side effects strategy. Even some of the same meds. And, people who experience it are demonized similarly.
Every time we start to make inroads there seems to be another excuse to scapegoat.

I did send here an email and attached this..

[MADem]

27. Current TV is on its way out the door--AJ bought it. NT

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

42. So?

Watching it right now. Show on volcanoes. Why won't they keep it?

[MADem]

75. AJ will be showing very different programming when they get it up and running.

You might like it.

[Archae]

3. Sooo...

If I describe a guy on the street yelling at clouds and throwing feces as "nuts," that makes me bad?

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

5. You aren't a journalist

If you were speaking to a large audience as she does I'd say you were out of line, but yes I think calling people nuts just stigmatizes mental illness

[Archae]

10. It's a slang term, but it's not derogatory.

Some people simply do go nuts.

Most of the time the worst they cause any harm to is themselves.

Others go nuts like Rachel says, and get a gun and shoot a bunch of people.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

15. Nuts is not a scientific term and is derogatory

It is no different from the way that teens such as idiot, moron or retard were used in the past.

[Archae]

19. The PC police have spoken!

So now I can't say Charles Manson is "nuts!"

Ted Cruz is an idiot.

George W. Bush is a moron.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

45. You can use them in those contexts

But don't you see why it would be wrong to call a person with trisomy 21 one of the latter two terms?

[loyalsister]

44. Yes.. slang

Slang conflated with serious mental health issues that are an important part of the current dialogue surrounding gun control\safety.

It was insulting.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

52. Careful, Magistrate will insult you of poutrage

I expected better from DUers. I expected more would feel as you and I do.

[loyalsister]

61. Oh well

It is close to my heart. I have friends who have a wide range of mental illnesses. They're good people and don't deserve what is coming down on them after these shootings. I have seen some posts from others here who have similar feelings, but I don't remember names.

[defacto7]

4. I understand what you are saying

but when people use the word "nuts" or "mentally ill", it's not always total exclusivity. When used in a certain context it's about a specific point that would only include people with serious dangerous psychological issues not the average person dealing with mental illness. Using the word "nuts" is definitely exclusive of real mental issues; it's about dangerous people with mental abnormalities. Yes, there is sometimes a joke involved but that's how people deal with uncomfortable feelings. For me, the best step I ever took toward healing was leaning to joke about myself, even laugh at myself. Just one perspective.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

9. No I don't think you do

By what you say you're implying that everyone who is denied a gun for mental history reasons is someone with dangerous abnormalities. Most people with severe mental illness will never do what lanza or holmes or loughner did. We don't even know if lanza suffered from mental illness.

I have a friend who tried to kill himself at age 22 after he walked in on his girl fucking another guy in the apt they shared and he told her he was going to kill himself. She called police. police pulled him out of his car in his garage before the carbon monoxide could kick in, he refused to voluntarily enter a hospital psych ward. They involuntarily admitted him temporarily under general police authority then a judge gave a signed order allowing it. He was released two weeks later. He is now 32, married with two children and has a good career. He is barred under federal law from owning any firearm because he cannot pass a background check. He has tried but was denied. No, he did not go buy one at a gun show. He has a lot to lose. We can argue over someone like this should be forever prohibited from owning a firearm ( I would say no, but maybe you disagree), but one thing I can say for certain is that he is not a dangerous person with mental abnormalities. He is on no meds and has been fine for ten years. Many people who are barred from owning guns due to mental history are barred because of suicide attempts when they were young. He watches her show as well and he told me that it made him feel less than human. So I don't think you understand.

[defacto7]

41. Maybe you're right...

n/t

[elleng]

60. 'We don't even know if lanza suffered from mental illness.'

Are you serious?

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

63. Unless you are blaming his asperger's

for what he did, then what proof do you have?

[elleng]

65. His actions.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

68. Was McVeigh mentally ill?

Generally accepted that he wasn't and he killed 168 and wounded hundreds more. Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist? If not, your lay opinion matters little.

[pipi_k]

96. Unless

you are a psychiatrist or psychologist, wouldn't your opinion be as meaningless as anyone else's?


I think the best that can happen here is that people agree to disagree on whether or not this or that person is mentally ill without dismissing someone else's opinion as worthless.

[pipi_k]

93. One indicator being...

that mentally healthy people don't do what he did.

Therefore he must have something a bit wrong with his thinking processes.

He has a mental illness.

[elleng]

103. Yes.

[The Magistrate]

6. You Seem Resolved On A Death Ride Tonight....

"With me, fishing has chiefly been an excuse to drink before noon."

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

11. Because I don't like seeing people with mental illness stigmatized?

I don't really care if I get banned. I would be temporarily mad but I'd prob just make a new account tomorrow.

I've been banned at freeperville approximately 50 times over the past decade for insulting the homophobes over there.

I just resent the fact that the media talks constantly these days about the need to control dangerous people with mental illness . I've even heard some suggest a return to forced institutionalization.

Do you approve of what she said or not?

[The Magistrate]

13. You Are Transparent As A Pane Of Glass

You fool no one.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

16. Tell me more

What do you see inside me? I think you just dislike me because we disagree on the I/P issue and you harbor a grudge.

[Tx4obama]

7. The segment you are looking is on the link below

Segment starts at the 2:00 minute mark...

The part you are talking about is around the 7:25 minute mark

NRA's influence seen in case allowing guns to felons: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/51500271

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

12. Thanks I watched it again

Just as insulting as I remembered it to be.

[Tx4obama]

17. I just watched the whole segment, the part you took issue was a tiny part of it - the rest was great

She did a good job reporting on the issue.

Michelle Obama made me cry

[The Magistrate]

18. You Are not Insulted, You Have Simply Latched Onto An Excuse For Poutrage

You think you can make people angry and provoke extreme reactions, which you enjoy reading, and imagine you are sowing bad feelings and dissension among a community of people you do not much like.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

21. Don't tell me what I am and am not insulted by

You don't know me, Dan.

Would you bet your life on the accuracy of your assessment? How certain are you?

[The Magistrate]

24. Why Not? We Both You Are Just Talking Smack And Trying To Make Trouble

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

26. Is this how I made trouble?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251174836

[The Magistrate]

32. Tonight's The Night, As The Song Says....

Tonight you you are talking smack and trying to make trouble on a very slender rede of poutrage: you know it, and I know it.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

40. So you think I'm trolling?

She upset me. But one time she made me cry tears of joy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251217722

[The Magistrate]

46. When You Make It So Obvious, It Takes Too Much Effort To Ignore It

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

48. So what is my goal?

Oh wise one. Would you like to come at me?

Yes/no.

No you are just an Internet warrior.

[The Magistrate]

50. You Started a Flame-Bait Thread Earlier, And Followed It Up With Abusive PMs

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022663385

As I said, you are transparent as a pane of glass.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

57. I've received four abusive pm's as well

Including one referring to me as a "ni----". Forgive me if I don't care.

[The Magistrate]

58. 'Cool Story, Bro', As The Youngsters Say...

But the link makes clear enough what you are up to here tonight.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

64. This is why less than 3% of DU's members

are black, while more than 25% of the Democratic Party's voters are black.

Posts like this.

Do you enjoy your white privilege, Sir?

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

66. You don't refer to me as a sir because I am black

You refer to me as bro?!

Shit man, why not just call me "boy" while you're at it? Oh well.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

70. Please link me, Sir

Thank you , Sir.

[SidDithers]

86. Nailed it...

Sid

[steve2470]

14. Yes, nuts is not the best possible term to describe the mentally ill

The best terms are listed here .

However, I'll cut her some slack since she's not a mental health professional of any kind. If she WAS a mental health professional, I would cut her NO slack whatsoever.

Other MHP's on this board can probably relate, but I must have heard the slang words many many times during my career. It made my blood boil on many many occasions. However, the ignorant were educated by me (and others) and came to view the mentally ill more favorably.

I think Rachel is a friend of the mentally ill, and thus I'm not overly upset. Next time she can say "mentally ill".

YMMV

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

25. I don't think I've ever been more insulted

by something a progressive said. There isn't much competition. Just something about that word. For me, it rubbed me the wrong way in a way similar to when Limbaugh castigated Sandra Fluke and called her a slut for daring to speak her mind. He viewed her as less than human.i don't think Rachel feels that way and I agree with you but it really pissed me off,if you look back on my post history you'll see that I made a post on the day before election night praising her monologue because it made me cry.

[steve2470]

29. I will say this as kindly as I can

I worked with the mentally ill in person. I have infinite compassion for them. I have had mental illness in my family. I'm not that upset about it.

Please give me evidence she hates/despises/discriminates against the mentally ill, and I will be upset with you. Until then.... dry your eyes and pick another issue please.

I'm done here.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

47. It isn't about her internal feelings

It is about what she said. If someone who supports gay marriage called someone a faggot would you dismiss it as an isolated incident and say they need not apologize? I wouldn't.

[steve2470]

51. some of the mentally ill I worked with would call THEMSELVES "nuts" from time to time.....

They would laugh and smile. They knew it's a pretty harmless word compared to the others. FWIW, they would use other crass terms too.

As I said before, give me evidence she's a bigot about the mentally ill. There is none.

You're reaching about the faggot example.

[NoPasaran]

87. "I don't think I've ever been more insulted by something a progressive said."

Stick around, the day is young!

Oops!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=291405&sub=trans

[PeaceNikki]

88. .

[Douglas Carpenter]

22. I've had plenty of mental illness in my family and I don't see any problem with people using words

like nuts or crazy in that context. In fact I use such terms myself quite regularly within the same context. I really don't think very many people who suffer from mental illness or are have close friends or family members with mental illness have any problem with using terms like nuts or crazy in that context.

Now calling someone mentally ill, psychotic or schizophrenic or any other diagnosis is a different matter.

[green for victory]

23. What's up with Rachel Maddow, Gun Lover?

TV's top lefty gets her gun

[IMG][/IMG]

She's America's leading lefty wonk, complete with chunky glasses, Ph.D., and a deep faith in activist government. But Rachel Maddow is also, a little unexpectedly, totally into guns. Which is how come she ended up at the Westside Pistol & Rifle Range in Manhattan for a recent Rolling Stone photo shoot. (Maddow is profiled by Ben Wallace-Wells in the current issue of the magazine.) "I used to bring my radio producers," she says in this clip. "Everyone here's really nice."

watch Rachel get off some shots at NY Westside Pistol and Rifle Range-Video:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/rachel-maddow-at-the-westside-pistol-rifle-range-20120627

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

31. Relevance?

[green for victory]

49. "Go buy one AR-15, go buy 3. Go nuts. Oh wait, you already are."

I thought this thread had to do with Rachel Maddow, Guns and Mental Illness. The post covers 2 of those items. It's relevant. Many of Rachel's fans don't know she's a gun lover, do they?

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

56. This thread is not about guns

It is about maddow and mental illness. Nice try with the diversion green.

[nomorenomore08]

37. Meh... You don't have to "hate" guns to be in favor of reasonable gun control.

See Gabby Giffords and her husband for another example.

[Lil Missy]

30. I think you need a hobby. n/t

[The Magistrate]

34. I Suspect He Has One, Ma'am, And This Is It....

[Lil Missy]

39. Agreed. Perhaps "Get a Life" would be more appropriate.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

62. Ma'am, the irony of this is that you are posting that to

A poster, magistrate, who has been on a member since the site's founding. He has tens of thousands of posts. From what I can tell, he's spent an average of 1 or more hours a day on here since he joined.

I've been on since September, ma'am, and have logged on maybe fifteen times for a total of 40 hours.

If I need to get a life, ma'am, where does that leave the magistrate?

Ma'am (one of the magistrate's two favorite expressions, the other being sir, of course).

[cliffordu]

81. Apparently you need to do a little research.

The Magistrate might not be "he"

Of course, as usual

YMMV.

[Captain Stern]

33. I'm just not feeling it.

"she was talking about your average person who might fail a background check due to mental illness history"

The average person ISN'T going to fail a background check due to mental illness history.

I don't want the people that DO fail that background check having access to a gun.

"Nut" is a fairly benign term. I can live with it.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

53. I'm not advocating giving them access to guns either

Although considering that we release people from mental health custody when they are deemed safe, I support an appeals process for restoration of rights.

Doesn't mean it's okay to call these people nuts if we are trying to make progress on mental illness.

[Captain Stern]

76. Is telling someone they are "nuts" really worse than telling someone they are "mentally ill"?

I think it's the intent that's more offensive than the words that are actually used.

Let's not ban "nuts". If we do, we cant say "health nuts", "sports nuts" , "gun nuts", "car nuts"....and we wouldn't even just be able to say someone is "nuts&quot meaning entirely absent of reasonable thought).

Some folks are nuts. They just are, and it's ok to say so.

[nomorenomore08]

35. As someone who's dealt long-term with depression and anxiety issues, I find this rather trivial.

I have no real interest in "defending" Maddow - don't watch her anyway - but starting an OP over the word "nuts" seems like a bit much.

[Vinnie From Indy]

36. Well, at least we can take comfort in the fact that a select few of the

mentally ill that watched that broadcast were probably distracted by their German Sheperd telling them to kill the neighbors and missed the insult.

Cheers!

[nomorenomore08]

38. Now that's just gratuitous!

[Archae]

43. So it's wrong to use a slang term for those who go insane...

But it's just fine, if we all sing "Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead" in glee over a woman who died, that we don't like.

Thankyewverramuch, "IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ."

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

54. Please show me where I said that?

I assume you're talking about Thatcher. I made no posts on DU re thatcher.

[Oilwellian]

55. You completely made this part up

She wasn't talking about Loughner or Lanza here, she was talking about your average person who might fail a background check due to mental illness history.

That's not what she was talking about. She was talking about convicted criminals and mentally ill people having the total freedom to buy and carry concealed weapons in Louisiana thanks to the NRA's meddling in state laws. It is entirely NUTS for a state to allow convicted criminals and mentally ill people to carry AK47's with 30 round clips.

Let's look at the actual report rather than relying on the crap reporting displayed in this OP:

It begins at 1:59
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/vp/51500271/#51500271

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

59. You are dead fucking wrong about context

She said and I quote:

"Go nuts. Oh wait, you already are."

Who is the you referring to? People who fail a background due to mental illness history. Not everyone who does so is a potential Loughner or Lanza. I posted a counterexample upthread.

She was talking about going to a gun show to avoid the background check because that couldn't pass one due to past mental health issues. Don't lie, now.
Everyone who watches the clip upthread can see it for themselves.

[steve2470]

67. You are also omitting the fact she kept saying "adjudicated mentally ill"

She said the phrase "mentally ill" several times. Yes, she said nuts ONE time.

This is a very mentally ill-friendly board and you're not getting much sympathy here.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

69. So you agree the poster to whom

I was responding to was trying to mislead people then.

We can argue about whether she should apologize for what she said, but the context is irrefutable


I received a PM in October calling me a ni---- (not sure if okay to say on here). I am biracial, because I've posted my pic on here before, and the poster knew it.

Should I conclude that some members are racist pigs? I think so

[steve2470]

73. No she nailed it correctly

Nice try at fomenting conflict.

Take this clip to the National Alliance on Mental Illness

See what they think. They need to watch the entire segment and also consider Rachel's entire history.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

72. You're also ignoring the context

It isn't just that she said nuts. She was trying to make people laugh by using it. Go nuts, oh wait you already are.

Haha look at me I'm so cool on my show by doing that.

[steve2470]

74. good bye

Welcome to block. I'm truly done with you this time.

[pauliedangerously]

71. I love the smell of flame bait first thing in the morning n/t

[JI7]

78. this

[blogslut]

77. We all have bad days.

All of us.

[Kalidurga]

79. You know what's nuts...

Lack of background checks at gun shows that's what. Allowing private sales also.

[Summer Hathaway]

80. Waaaay too obvious

and waaaay too soon.

You folks need to master the arts of patience and subtlety - it's your only chance of survival.

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

83. Tally another supporter for continuing the stigma

Come at me every day and night, summer.

[HereSince1628]

91. Verbal disparagement of political opponents and policy is an essential part of political discussion

The DU 3+ community has reached a point where WE must draw the line on the expansive control thread nannies who deprive DUers of their yeoman rights to speak with insulting terms with impunity.

In this oppressive climate it is not only political speech that is deprived, but it is also political identity. Without useful disparaging terms it has become increasingly difficult for the politically energized to express loyalty and support for 'US' and 'WE', because OUR Inherent GOODNESS AND SUPERIORITY cannot be communicated unless it is contrasted with vulgar terms of derision.

The entire industry of political chat-rooms bulletin boards and blogs at stake. Without names that the lowest among see and understand as disparagements there can be no sharing of the jocular chauvinism that defines us as good and loyal supporters of US.

We are already a noun, adjective, and modifying clause deprived community where the word police have taken away useful words that clearly reflect on classes of real people like 'b***h', 'f** or 'f****t*, 'h***e', 'm**k', 'r*****ds', 's**c', 's***s', etc.

We have left at our linguistic disposal only the use of vulgar colloquialisms of our innocent youths, learned via the grade-school socializations that first gave use appreciation of the power of US vs THEM relationships, we later came to understand as the chauvinism and bigotry essential to advanced American political discourse.

This is a critical time in the protection of free speech. While we were sleeping, toking, or otherwise chatting about kittehs, the nanny battalions of word n***s were insinuating themselves into the very heart of political speech, working to rewrite the rules of the Associated Press Style Manual, in order to deprive us access and use of the communication tools necessary for our political fights. :

http://www.ap.org/content/press-release/2013/entry-on-mental-illness-is-added-to-ap-stylebook

<snip>

Do not describe an individual as mentally ill unless it is clearly pertinent to a story and the diagnosis is properly sourced.
When used, identify the source for the diagnosis.

<snip>

Do not use derogatory terms, such as insane, crazy/crazed, nuts or deranged, unless they are part of a quotation that is essential to the story.

Do not assume that mental illness is a factor in a violent crime, and verify statements to that effect. A past history of mental illness is not necessarily a reliable indicator. Studies have shown that the vast majority of people with mental illness are not violent, and experts say most people who are violent do not suffer from mental illness.

This assault on free speech cannot stand! DUers are united in this cause. It is no sin to be overzealousness in the defense of our linguistic heritage.

<snip>

Our political adversaries see their advantage in stifling our speech. No less than our evil opponent the Governor of New Jersey has proclaimed in the name of that once great and competitive state:

Stigma hurts everyone living with mental illness, along with their families, friends, colleagues, and the communities in which they live. It is a primary barrier to the achievement of wellness and recovery as well as full social integration, and appears as distrust, fear, stereotyping, and discrimination. The prevalence of mental health stigma seriously undermines an individual's ability to get the help they need because of their fear that their confidentiality will be breached.

The discrimination that is associated with mental health stigma presents a myriad of challenges for those living with mental illness. For instance, because of discrimination it is too often difficult, if not impossible, for individuals with mental illness to secure housing and employment. Because of misconceptions and falsehoods, non-violent symptom-related behavior can lead to unfair incarceration. Furthermore, the lack of parity in health care results in inadequate access to health insurance benefits and equitable coverage and treatment for persons with mental illness.

When stigma and discrimination take hold, the consequences can be tragic. Individuals, just like you and me, who would otherwise hold the promise of a happy and fruitful life, are instead forced down a path of isolation and despair. The effect of stigma on our communities is devastating. More than 50 million adults - nearly 25 percent of the U.S. adult population - live with mental disorders or substance abuse disorders on an annual basis and as many as 18 million Americans are affected by depression annually. According to the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), depression is the leading cause of disability in the United States for ages 15-44. These figures must not be ignored.

Success rates of treatment for mental illnesses are high. The NIMH cites that successful treatment of illnesses such as schizophrenia (60 percent), depression (70-80 percent) and panic disorder (70-90 percent) surpass those of other medical conditions (heart disease, for example, has a treatment success rate of 45-50 percent). The high costs to society of untreated and under-treated mental illnesses are well documented. Providing equal and appropriate coverage for all illnesses makes good economic sense; when mental illnesses go untreated, social costs begin to escalate.

The cost of untreated mental illness is staggering. NIMH estimates that the annual cost of untreated mental illnesses exceeds $300 billion primarily due to productivity losses (missed days of work and premature death) of $150 billion, health care costs of $70 billion, and societal costs (increased use of the criminal justice system and social welfare benefits) of $80 billion.

If mental health stigma is permitted to prevail, it will prevail at the continued expense of the communities in which we live. This expense is not only economically unsatisfactory - it is physically, social, and fundamentally unsatisfactory.


This seemingly empathetic statement is really a judo-like move, an insidious soft-edged wedge to use our own compassion against us. To weaken us and to make the Congress of the United States Republican FOREVER!


Fellow DUers! Join Me!

INSIST that THE OPPRESSION OF THE AP STYLE MANUAL SHALL NOT BE APPLIED TO OUR FORUMS AND GROUPS.

PROTECT THE RIGHT TO USE FREE USE OF DISPARAGING LANGUAGE IN THE DEFENSE OF OUR PARTY AND ITS PRINCIPLES!!!

There can be no overzealous in the defense of our native language as it is spoken in locker rooms and gutters across the continent, where REAL Americans speak to display their membership and US by defining ourselves as the opposite of the evil and diseased THEY.

REAL DEMOCRATS support the language of the most common of the people! Support The Language of FREEDOM!















need I say?

[cliffordu]

82. I have a certified honest to God dyed in the wool Mental Illness

And the word 'nuts' means exactly dick to me.

Call me lazy or tell me to just look on the bright side of life or (The classic) to pull myself up by my bootstraps and I'll seriously think about sucking one of your eyeballs out of your skull and feeding it to you.

But, as I said, calling me 'nuts' is meaningless.

Crazy as a shithouse rat is more appropriate.

The only thing harder than having a mental illness is having other people weigh in on yours.

As usual, YMMV.

And I don't need anyone defending me from Rachael. She committed no harm or foul in her statement, in my not so humble....etc etc etc....

[IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ]

84. You get no pass

Does herman Cain get a free pass to insult blacks as he did simply because he's black? And you don't have any extra cred to support her stigmatization ever.

Grade: F

[cliffordu]

98. IF you say so...

[pipi_k]

100. Just wondering

if you also have a certified dyed in the wool mental illness and that's why there's all this foaming at the mouth over the word "nuts".

Or is this a case of someone on the outside of a particular issue trying to "protect" the poor, senseless, too-stupid-to-know-we're-being-insulted peons because, well, we just don't know we're supposed to be outraged?

And for the record, I wouldn't even think of telling Herman Cain, or any other black person, they shouldn't be insulting people of their own race. Why the hell would a white person think he would have the right to do that, anyway?

If a black person wants to do that, fine.

But I'm not black. It would not be cool for me to be waving my finger in his face telling him how naughty he is because it would feel too much like I would be trying to school a person supposedly too ignorant to know he shouldn't be doing what he's doing.

So really...if you have mental health issues and take exception with Rachel Maddow's use of the word "nuts", by all means, write to her.

But please don't run around thinking you have to "protect" people from a word that means absolute shit to most of us (and yes, I have real mental health issues of 50 years duration).

Your outrage would be better served by writing to the person who offended you...not by wretching about it on an internet discussion board.

[randome]

94. Yeah, but you're...just kidding.

Thanks for the insights!

[RudynJack]

85. That's some outstanding

faux outrage there! Bravo!

[Logical]

89. If you think you need a gun because of the government, then you are nuts. n-t

[HappyMe]

90. Boom! OP is gone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=291405

[Katashi_itto]

92. Thank god.

[pipi_k]

101. Nice work, except...

S/he said that if s/he were banned, s/he would only sign up with another account.

[HappyMe]

102. Okay. Thanks.

[Iggo]

95. No.

[99Forever]

97. If you are looking to be...

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... insulted, outraged and all butthurt in this world, chances are you can find something to make you be so. The whole professional victim thing is wearing pretty thin for many of us. I'd suggest your focus your energy on something a little more productive than taking offense where none was intended. That's just my view, YMMV.

[Phillip McCleod]

99. who? the UFO citizens hearing people?

now that's not nice to call them 'mentally ill'.. they're just gullible.