The eagerness here to blame tea baggers or anti-tax people or right wingers of some stripe

[cali]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Autumn (a host of the General Discussion forum).

is just about as grotesque as the eagerness in freepfuckville to blame Islamic radicals. And it's just about as stupid and unfounded and unfair.

We have a marked lack of information on which to base this kind of speculation

We want to blame those we hate and go after them with pitchforks before we know jackshit.

Sometimes DU really is the mirror image of freeperville.

Yeah, I know this will piss people off, but mobs baying, even virtual mobs virtually baying, suck.

[Skittles]

1. I agree

there's no point to it but hysteria

[Vincardog]

2. Is this just a general statement or is it in regard to something specific?

[Bluzmann57]

3. No arguments here

None of us are police and therefore we cannot really know who did this act of terror. Let the police do their jobs.

[zappaman]

4. Rec and kick! n/t

[tridim]

5. The reaction on DU is not even remotely similar to that of FR.

It's mind-blowing that you would even say that. Shame.

[Jenoch]

19. How do you know what is

being posted over there?

I do agree that the rampant speculation that today's terror was caused by right-wing teabaggers says a lot about those posting such drivel.

[tridim]

30. Because someone posted it on DU..

They want to start killing ALL Muslims, right now. They don't want to wait.

DU is nowhere close to that. I want an apology from the OP.

[Loudestlib]

121. +1

[Rex]

123. Good point. So far I have not seen a DUer call for the death of

X Y or Z. Actually I don't know why cali is mad, they are the most likely to be involved in this considering what we know. Granted it is not a lot, but still this reeks imo of domestic terrorism.

[lobezen]

139. +1

[City Lights]

35. One poster over there has declared open season on anyone who looks Muslim.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022678888

[AnotherMcIntosh]

61. Exactly.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

56. I just came back from reading a thread that someone here posted a link to.

Worlds of difference. Apples and oranges.

They're ready to kill all the "Muzzies" now. No questions asked. Or blaming "illegals." One post even blamed OWS!

Mostly here, it's just people speculating, but no foaming at the mouth type bullshit.

[MNBrewer]

76. because BOTH SIDES DO IT EQUALLY

[AlbertCat]

114. because BOTH SIDES DO IT EQUALLY

Egg-zak-lee!

Calling for the execution of people who LOOK Muslim because of this is JUST THE SAME as wondering if people who wore guns to presidential rallies, who call for "2nd amendment remedies" and who's predecessors blew up Federal Buildings on Patriot Day might have something to do with it.

[Swamp Lover]

6. Agreed. Time to wait for an investigation.

But in the mean time blame the Catholic church.......

[freshwest]

81. Went to the youtube page of a video in V&MM. Commentors said 'THE JEWS DID IT!'

And cited the Infowars annual Israel hatefest over the USS Liberty. Yes, it's that time again, folks! That train's never late!

But the intense threatening over gun control legislation we've seen quoted here (not made up by DUers) can't help but make people fear the worst. When we see elected GOP officials talking this stuff, it's worrisome.

At least the thread poster here saying that there was a Saudi in custody has been confirmed to be false and locked by one of the hosts in LBN. The DUer wasn't advocating for it to be true, either, just the latest story he'd found. DUers are not trying to incite killing or riots.

But the youtube page I noted above blamed North Korea, the CIA and Obama. (And blamed Obama for Sandy Hook, too.)

The posters there want to nuke North Korea and the Middle East and go to war for liberty. Just that fast. They fell right back into 9/11 mode, 'kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out.' Except now they see Obama as the same thing, too.

PBO will take this slow and not go to war like Bush over it, so that's one less worry. What the rest of the country does, I have no idea. But it's out there.

[d_b]

7. could be bigfoot for all we know

[virgogal]

22. I needed that laugh.

[octothorpe]

29. Or a militant anti-jogger group.

[golfguru]

60. That was my first thought...some one from the couch potato gang! n/t

[LiberalElite]

131. I'm glad you said that - I was afraid to -

the Couch Potato Liberation Front

OK now back to my normal serious reaction of shock and disgust.

[Quantess]

33. I KNEW IT!!!

[UnrepentantLiberal]

59. Damn him!

[Hayabusa]

103. It's clearly Slender Man

We are all now doomed since we've seen that picture.

Found you...

[actslikeacarrot]

8. agreed.

We need to wait for more information.

[RZM]

9. Combination of overinvestment and wanting to look smart

Overinvestment in needing everything to confirm one's worldview. Wanting to look smart in being the first to say it and be proven right.

Problem is, that doesn't mean you're smart. It just means you're willing to throw something against the wall and take credit if it sticks, which takes minimal skill.

[KittyWampus]

10. And yet you were quick to blame a mother who had her baby shot in front of her.

[cali]

21. Except I never blamed her.

I never said I know she did it. And people here in several threads are saying with absolute conviction that they are positive.

I was suspicious. I was wrong, but hell the woman's daughter was suspicious

[KittyWampus]

45. LOL! So you can be suspicious about X but others can't be suspicious about Y?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

53. I haven't seen anyone "with absolute conviction" saying it's teabaggers

So you are allowed to be "suspicious" but everyone else should be quiet.

That's bullshit.

Furthermore, the entire premise of this thread is bullshit.

I hate rap music and I hate juaggalos. But I'm not about to bet some rap artist or ICP fan set a bomb off in Boston.

I also hate right wing pigs. That doesn't make me more willing to bet one or more of those pigs were the perpetrators.

What I DO know is the increased climate of violence, paranoia, and increased eliminationist rhetoric coming from that tea-pig segment of society.

You are asking people to play dumb for some idiotic "both sides do it" point you are trying to prove.


Give it a rest.

[OwnedByCats]

97. Doesn't sound like the OP

applies to you. It's for those that go to "teabaggers" or "right wing religous extremist" and those assuming this has to do with Islam or radical Muslims.

All the OP is saying is let's wait for the facts before accusing any one group of people.
Jumping to conclusions just makes those people look silly.

Again though, I don't think the OP applies to you.

[AlbertCat]

116. All the OP is saying is let's wait for the facts before accusing any one group of people.

No it doesn't just say that.

It accuses us of being as bad as Freepers.

IOW, it makes a huge overstated claim about a group of people that is not proven.... before the facts are in.

Hmmmmmm.....

That's pretty "stupid and unfounded and unfair. "

[Bjorn Against]

102. Then please go and delete this post right now

You don't want anyone to speculate about groups that might be involved in this, yet you pointed the finger at an individual who was not only innocent of the crime you speculated she was the perpetrator of but she was a victim. She watched her baby get shot right in front of her.

You were asked to remove this baseless speculation before, but you would not delete this post when previously asked, instead it still sits on DU suggesting the victim had a hand in murdering her own child.

Go delete this post right now and apologize, or else hang your head in shame at the hypocrisy you are showing in this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022552292#post17

[defacto7]

109. Did you learn anything from the experience?

I hope everyone is learning something.

[malaise]

88. Ouch!

Is the pot calling out the kettle?

[HappyMe]

11. I agree.

It's way too soon to have any information. The investigation will take at least 24hrs.

No point in speculating.

[Richardo]

12. You are right on the money, cali

[Trajan]

13. As much as we all may wish to agree

it is fair to consider the possibilities ... we don't live in a vacuum, and these acts are not unprecedented ...

People will be people, even in semi perfect DU ... people say things ...

[freshwest]

85. Agreed...

[alarimer]

91. And there's a certain logic to it.

There have been warnings from law enforcement groups about rightwing terror groups. And doing it on Patriots' Day and Tax Day does seem to point to some kind of protest group.

It may not be a group; it may be a lone wolf, like Eric Rudolph.

Also, most homegrown terror attacks have come from the right: McVeigh, Rudolph, the Unabomber (well, it was hard to classify him actually).

[GeorgeGist]

14. Sometimes DU really is the mirror image of freeperville.

[RVN VET]

118. Mirror image as in opposite?

Just wondering.

But here's where the freepers will be: If it's some arab-looking mofos, freepers will be all about killing them all -- in fact, a lot of them are already shrieking for mass slaughter of muslims. But if it turns out to be a Ted Nugent fan, freepers will be all about how Obama pushed the dude to the edge and how the damned libruls drove the good patriotic bomber to do an extreme act of 2nd Amendment protest.

I don't care if the bomber(s) were lefties, righties, or just crazies -- I hope they get caught and get justice, swift, sure, and final.

[TimberValley]

15. The rush to judgment is always nauseating.

And you're right, I've found that some people here on DU don't behave any better than some right-wingers.

[Skip Intro]

16. K&R. n/t

[Patiod]

17. I'd agree if

it weren't April 15. I think the date may point to the culprits. But perhaps not.

It's just an odd day for any group other than an anti-tax group to choose.

[cali]

37. well, as a former Bostonian, let me say that in Boston, April 15th is though of there

as Patriot's day at least as much as tax day. It's a state holiday.

So in MA, April 15 is different than throughout the rest of the country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriots_Day

[Patiod]

43. Did not know that - sorry for what's happening in yr city na

[virgogal]

39. Not an odd day,but a very crowded day. The Red Sox game just ended

nearby and about 35,000 people were added to the chaos.

[Tempest]

40. It's also Patriot Day and the Boston Marathon

Apparently those two events completely escaped you.

[Patiod]

49. If I were a bomb-happy loony

I would look around to see where I might find a crowd on tax day - and the Marathon would fit me to a tee.

Not speculating that "It's got to be X Group" just saying it's not completely random and out to the realm of the possible that an anti-tax group might choose April 15.

And you are 100% correct - I did not know it was Patriot's Day - and there's certainly no tie-in there to any possible belief set...

[Gormy Cuss]

67. As a longtime Bostonian, I don't discount the tax day symbolism of this event.

Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2013, 06:21 PM - Edit history (1)

nor the link-in with Patriots Day.
Patriots Day is a holiday that very few observe (other than state and municipal employees) In more than two decades of working there I never had it as a paid day off and neither did most of my friends. It is a popular day for people to take a vacation day though because of the marathon.

That said, we'll have to wait and see what the motivation was of the sociopath(s) who did this.

[freshwest]

95. It's 4 days early for the anniversary of Waco and OKC; 2 weeks before Hitler's death.

May have something to do with Tax Day, but most likely it was simply because the Boston Marathon is a world famous event.

Possibly done to divert public attention from some other issue was my speculation, but there are so many issues now - who can choose which one?

It's going to be a while before the facts come out. In the meantime, the good people of Boston and those who are working through this are going to have a very rough go of it for some time.

I do worry about random acts of violence being triggered. But there is nothing to be done, except to be vigilant.

[timdog44]

126. We certainly need to be vigilant. And patient.

We can not be of the "vengeance is mine saith ________________ (fill in the blank). I am afraid of the random acts of violence. I am worried about getting together with my brother tomorrow. It is a scheduled get together so his wife and mine can go shopping. Problem is he is a Faux News couch potato. I know what he will be saying and I will have to hold my tongue.

Even though the DUers are angry about this, the vitriol from the RW is scary. I don't pray often, but I am now.

[freshwest]

141. That's going to be very hard... My relatives know better than to 'start up' with me. I'll walk off.

But seeing as they are thousands of miles away, I almost never engage with them. And I make sure it's for a few hours only.

[still_one]

18. Yup, you are right. It would almost make one think that some would desire a political justification

to fit ones ideology

but people aren't that crass, are they?

[SpartanDem]

20. You telling people we should wait for more facts?

talk about a lack of irony

[warrprayer]

23. bullsh*t

tell it to the families of tjhe Newtown shootings who were at he finish line, and endured harrassment from wingnuts saying it was a government hoax.

[hobbit709]

24. Even money says it was RWers.

[Zax2me]

117. You lose.

Negative money now.

[premium]

25. Good call cali,

good call.
I don't always agree with you, but on this issue, I'm 100% in agreement with you.

[Deep13]

26. I still think at this point it is the most likely guess. nt

[Demo_Chris]

27. I agree. It costs nothing to wait until the facts come out. nt

[Tempest]

28. I agree. Both are vile and disgusting.

And dangerous.

[spanone]

31. the real crime is that the media is doing the same thing...speculating every angle with little facts

[Bucky]

32. At least it didn't happen during a primary season.

I can almost see Clinton and Obama supporters blaming each other for a tragedy like this.

[demwing]

50. what an odd remark...

What's your goal in saying so?

[Bucky]

54. goal?

sarcasm has no goal

[octothorpe]

34. At least no one here is calling for open season on tea baggers...

At least I haven't seen that.

[Douglas Carpenter]

36. you're right - blaming anyone without a shred of evidence is just downright stupid

[bbinacan]

38. Well said. n/t

[DinahMoeHum]

41. Agreed. Let's please STFU until more information comes in.

Thank you.

[Bandit]

42. We want to blame those we hate

I think it is more like we blame those that Hate. I simply can not imagine someone that doesn't hate a soul doing something like this.. Who do you think is filled with the most hatred in America today? I suspect it would take someone like that to do this deed....I hear that hatred daily on shows such as Limbough and Hannity and O'Really and well the list is actually quite long....

[sibelian]

44. Well, I think there's something of a difference in scale and intensity...

... but I suppose you're right in principle.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

46. Not exactly "unfounded" --

The recent history of domestic terrorism leans towards RW white males. That's just reality. If we see an event that looks like those is recent history, it is not illogical to initially speculate as to the perp.

[cali]

55. you could say the same about Islamic radicals

in the years after 2001. I didn't support that shit. And this is the same shit.

DU was convinced it was wingnut types who killed the DA and his wife in TX. Now it looks like it was a pissed off guy that he'd prosecuted.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/15/kaufman-texas-district-attorney-suspect-killings/2083623/

[Manifestor_of_Light]

90. those two categories are not mutually exclusive. He could be both.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

47. +1, cali.

[Mkap]

48. republican propagada New York Post

is already reporting that a Saudi national is in custody

even though CBS, Yahoo and AP are saying no suspect in custody

So confusing when YOU HAVE PROPAGANDIST SPREADING LIES

[Bay Boy]

66. NBC news reported the same thing...

...but indicated the guy may have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[freshwest]

89. Yes, that post was locked, found to be false. So DU is on top of that.

[NaturalHigh]

52. Very true.

I wanted to start a similar OP, but I knew it wouldn't do much good. Nuts everywhere.

K and R.

[MrModerate]

57. Yes, but . . .

This is the hysteria part of such an event. Expecting people to act completely sane is unrealistic.

Just as you counsel holding back blaming unknown perpetrators, I'd recommend that we all hold off on criticizing people in a state of shock.

[randome]

71. Damn. That's a very...moderate position to take.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

108. Sorry, but people need to grow a bit of spine like the British in London during the Luftwaffe blitz.

Running around like screaming ninnies online or elsewhere needs to be called out for what it is and not coddled. To coddle it is bad long term survival strategy for a society.

Look to William Pitt's thread about staying put in Boston, bombs or no bombs.

[mnhtnbb]

58. It's a damn good guess. My money is on right wing a$$holes.

[ileus]

62. We know it wasn't someone from our side...

why not point the finger at those most likely?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

63. At least there weren't too many "If everyone had guns" jokes.

[moondust]

64. It's only logical speculation, not accusation. n/t

[Lamonte]

65. Fox knows

http://samuel-warde.com/2013/04/erik-rush-tweets-all-muslims-should-be-killed-in-reponse-to-boston-explosions/

[KauaiK]

68. I agree...but

This feels home grown; liberal Boston; the JFK library; multiple bombs in a crowded area to do human damage. I keep thinking of Oklahoma City....

[MrScorpio]

69. Agreed

I'm withholding any speculation OTHER than the fact that it's either a solitary scumbag bomber, or a group of scumbag bombers.

We will all find out in due time, by whom and why this tragedy happened.

[pasto76]

70. yeah, calling a duck a duck is stupid! especially when their posts are all about violence...

unfair and unfounded....yes.

your post is odd because you slam the freepers for blaming 'islamic radicals'. But the islamic radicals are actually to blame for a lot of stuff. Like September 11th.

the real problem with the freeper types is that they do not distinguish between islamic radicals and any other muslim. Or anyone with brown skin.

so because 90% of these things are done by white males, we are all dopes because are first instinct is to look over at freeperville and the right wing radicals. Whatever.

[Auntie Bush]

72. You can say that again Cali!

"Sometimes DU really is the mirror image of freeperville "
Some people here on DU pile on anything and everything.

[krispos42]

73. It's a big, high profile event on tax day...

four days before the anniversary of Oklahoma City bombing and the raid on the Branch Davidian compound.

Thinking it is connected is not unreasonable.

Mass arrests, shooting Muslims on sight, etc... that is unreasonable.

[MNBrewer]

74. We do have a lack of information

but surely the date doesn't make such tentative speculation that it MIGHT be one of those groups wildly off the wall, does it?

[Yo_Mama]

75. I agree about the mobbism

It's both unpleasant and a bit scary.

We can all agree that whoever thought this up and executed it, whether singly or in a group, qualify as sick and evil. It is precisely because this is such an awful crime that we should not assign blame to anyone before there is some evidence for doing so.

No matter how much one disagrees with other persons' religion or politics, the fact remains that very few human beings get up one day smiling because they are plotting to kill other people. Today, someone did.

[MNBrewer]

79. What mob? Where?

Mob?

[Yo_Mama]

115. Mobs are groups driven by unreason

That's why I find groups of people fostering unreason - especially unreasonable blame - frightening.

A group of people (as apparently the crowd in Boston was) can be wonderful. A refuge. An aid to those in crisis. Arms to comfort those in crisis and arms to help those who need help.

Or it can be a terrifying engine of nearly random destruction. The difference is so stark, yet the only difference is in what's going on in heads of the people in the group.

[Flora]

77. Agreed,

i find horrific tragedies like this bring out the worst in the worst kind of people, and the best in the best kind.

[dawgmom]

78. If it walks like a duck....

etc. etc.
Oh, come on. April 15? BOSTON? How much clearer could the message be?
Clearly some unhinged person, and not somebody necessarily formally aligned with the Tea Party, etc. -- but there is no way in h-e-double toothpicks that this isn't domestic terrorism.

[Rowdyboy]

80. It always pisses me off when people decide who is guilty before ANY FACTS are uncovered....

They don't know a damn thing that you and I don't know. It may well be tea-bag "patriots"; It may well be Al Quaida; it could even be another group altogether. No one knows a damn thing.

[geckosfeet]

82. Agreed. But there it is. Good peace luvin liberal folk carrying pitchforks and torches.

Ahhh. I exaggerate and jest.

But your point is well made. Plenty 'o vilification for everyone.

[fredzachmane]

83. THANK YOU

Agree 100%. Some of the statements I've seen border on hoping its one of our own citizens. Come on people, we're better than this

[PABigDaddyDemocrat]

84. We can only be sure of a few things.

1. We are seeing white folks running scared nowadays...American white folks in LL Bean sweaters.
2. We should be prepared to see more blood in our streets. WTF do we think this is? When a country sits on top of the world for most of a century at the labor of the rest of the world this is the kind of shit that goes down.
3. Finally we should be able to toss the word "Terrorism" around a little easier...BUT WE'RE NOT DOING IT! Why? What about this situation is NOT terrifying? What about the concept, planning and execution was designed to accomplish something other that complete terror?

Before this comment gets flagged and banned and thrust into the depths of the DU BAD Comment Dungeon I want you all to understand that I have compassion for the victims of this and any other hardship visited upon the innocent. It is a reprehensible act. I simply believe that those who perpetrate these kinds of acts are terrorists regardless of their ethnic or religious background. Calling it "Terrorism" should be a no brainer once you eliminate a gas main explosion or freak accident.

[99Forever]

86. I agree Cali.

I want solid evidence before I go pointing a finger at anyone.

Then and only then, all bets are off.

[alarimer]

87. Why not? Wingnuts are already blaming "Arabs"

I think it is as likely as anything else. The symbolism of Tax Day and Patriots' Day in Boston kind of smacks or right-wing nutjob to me.

[DirkGently]

94. Anyone blaming anyone at this point is a "wingnut."

Why join a race to the bottom pits of human reaction to tragedy?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

110. Two wrongs make a right? Three wrongs make a left? Your lack of logic is apalling. nt

[fredzachmane]

92. “Suppose one reads a story of filthy atrocities in the paper.

Then suppose that something turns up suggesting that the story might not be quite true, or not quite so bad as it was made out. Is one's first feeling, 'Thank God, even they aren't quite so bad as that,' or is it a feeling of disappointment, and even a determination to cling to the first story for the sheer pleasure of thinking your enemies are as bad as possible? If it is the second then it is, I am afraid, the first step in a process which, if followed to the end, will make us into devils. You see, one is beginning to wish that black was a little blacker. If we give that wish its head, later on we shall wish to see grey as black, and then to see white itself as black. Finally we shall insist on seeing everything -- God and our friends and ourselves included -- as bad, and not be able to stop doing it: we shall be fixed for ever in a universe of pure hatred.” -C.S. Lewis

[DirkGently]

93. The overall rush to find a political framing is disgusting.

Don't even look at the comment sections of the online papers. I will say that the bulk of the ugly, fact-free speculation is from conservatives screeching about Obama somehow being to blame or -- ??? -- gun control?

But no assumption as to who to blame is valid. We just don't know.

I don't look forward to the attempts to exploit one thing or another when and if we do know either.

Horrible.

[skydive forever]

96. The SPLC has been kinda predicting something like this for years

That's basically what I think is causing people to jump to that conclusion. But in reality we just have to wait and see.

[Quantess]

100. That would only be true

if it was known it was a RW terrorist who did this.

[840high]

99. I agree.

[Sedona]

101. Has it occured to no one that this occurred just blocks from the ORIGINAL BOSTON Tea Party?

and the Boston Masacre? And the marathon? AND it's Tax Day ? AND it's Patriots Day (The anniversay of Paul Revere's Ride)?

Is it lost on everyone the JFK Library was tageted?


It's a Right Wingnut's wet dream of a target. Just sayin'

[Quantess]

105. Duh, yes. But we don't know for sure yet. There are other possibilities, you know.

We will know soon enough. Can't people just wait before rushing to judgments?

[Zax2me]

119. just sayin' they already have suspect in custody

A Saudi national.

[Bjorn Against]

124. That has not been confirmed by police

The police have not said they have a suspect in custody even when asked about the Saudi national rumors, as of right now there is no suspect or at least not a suspect that they are willing to name in public.

On edit: here is what the police did have to say:

A spokesperson for the Boston Police Department said no suspects have been taken into custody yet after the bombing at the Boston Marathon.

"At this time, we haven't been notified of any arrests or anyone apprehended," the spokesperson said.

The New York Post reported that a "Saudi national who suffered shrapnel wounds in today's blast" has been identified as "a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing." The Boston PD spokesperson did not confirm that report.

"Honestly, I don't know where they're getting their information from, but it didn't come from us," said the spokesperson.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/boston-police-no-arrests-have-been-made-in

[Rosa Luxemburg]

104. Well

it could be any individual or group. Just because it is Tax Day in Boston it doesn't mean to say that it is the Tea Party.

[Old Troop]

106. Agree with you 100% Cali

Can we simply have a few moments to grieve for those injured?

[wtmusic]

107. There is a motive and there are anti-tax nuts out there

so IMO that kind of speculation is justified.

Contrast with racism.

[defacto7]

111. Good advice about jumping to conclusions and blame.

Patience and reason are a rare commodity these days and misinformation is not what is needed at a time like this.

[liberalmuse]

112. I disagree.

We're not even close to being Freeperville.

[littlewolf]

113. something that puzzles me is this

1. the bombs were near the finish line but were detonated
late in the race. if they had gone off earlier a lot more people killed / hurt.

2. if they really wanted mass casualties they would have set them off as the baseball game ended.

as far as blaming people with no proof, wolf blized is saying it is tea baggers.
because it is tax day.

[Arugula Latte]

120. "Mirror image"? Where are the DUers calling for the death of anybody who looks like a rightwing nut?

From Free Republic:

In my mind that if muslims are behind the bombings in Boston then its open season. You look muslim, sorry but you’re dead. Open carry and dead right there. If you’re not then a sign is required, beyond that bang-o so sad you middle eastern POS.

Don’t like the way I think? Show me what’s different from the way these animals think. It is zero my friend. Kill them before they kill you.

[2naSalit]

122. A time when

the imagination can be a dangerous thing perhaps?

I'm waiting for some evidence and possible motives and even then I hope I can stay open-minded about it.

[MNBrewer]

125. I haven't seen any "baying"

even of the virtual variety

[Bluzmann57]

128. Did you forget the sarcasm thingy?

Just asking. There are raw nerves in here and with such a wide array of people, it may not hurt to insert the sarcasm thingy in case someone takes your comment seriously. One never knows.

[baldguy]

129. I find it hard to believe that al Qaeda would care about Tax Day.

And, not to be redundant or anything, but Freepers, Glenn Beckk fans & the Aryan Brotherhood do.

[bettyellen]

132. you were a one woman mob against the woman who's baby was shot. Same shit, Cali.

Deal with it.

[Rex]

138. I was thinking about that.

nt.

[Canuckistanian]

133. This happens every time

During the first hours of a tragedy, the finger pointing starts, even in an absolute vacuum of hard facts.

And the sad state of the media in America makes this WORSE. I never believed the "Saudi national" story.

My rule of thumb for American media? NEVER believe any "instant theories" because they ALWAYS prove to be WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

[alp227]

134. Rushing to judgment in the event of terror can even be libelous.

Remember when ABC investigative reporter Brian Ross claimed BASED ON A CRUDE GOOGLE SEARCH that the Aurora movie theater short was a tea party member?

[Progressive dog]

135. False equivalence

As has been pointed out, at Freeperville the response goes way beyond speculation on who done it.
I might have missed some posts but I have not seen "pitchforks" here.

[rightsideout]

136. The Tea Party Deserves it!

Where were they when Bush was spending money on wars, tax cuts and the first stimulus?

They formed as soon as Obama was in office. It's obvious they don't want a black man in office or a democrat for that matter. They are just using their "government spending" platform as a guise for their true purpose to nail Obama to the wall on everything when we have less government spending and the lowest federal taxes in years. The Tea Party shouldn't even exist!

So I'm not cutting the Tea Party any breaks. Nor the Republicans and Right Wing Nut Jobs either since they have just gotten crazier. With all the nonsense they pull out of their ass. Do you remember a time when you ever heard so much nonsense like legitimate rape and idiots on the Technology and Science committees who haven't a clue about science and spew complete nonsense.

Listen up. These people don't need breaks and we aren't too hard on them. They are friggin' loons. They are dumbing down America. Don't give them any breaks.

[swayne]

137. Say what you want, but this has right-wing fingerprints all over it. It is too symbolic

to think anything else.

They are all over themselves trying to blame Obama and any liberal they can mention by name.

I guarandamntee it was a right wing sympathizer....

[Cryptoad]

140. well ,,,,,

Ruby Ridge, Waco,,,, Kansas City ,,,,,, they all happened around "tax day",,,, just saying

[Autumn]

142. Locking, it is the consensus of the hosts that this does not

meet the SOP for GD.

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.