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(29,876 posts)
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:42 PM Apr 2013

Background Checks Legislation Short Of 60 Votes In The Senate

By Agence France-Presse
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 17:08 EDT

The US Senate faces a showdown this week over gun rights, but even supporters of a contentious compromise on background checks conceded Tuesday that they are still short of the necessary votes.

President Barack Obama expressed optimism about the proposed bill and said it would be “unimaginable” if Congress defied strong public support for the measure, especially after the Newtown school massacre in December.

The chamber’s top Democrat Harry Reid insisted they had the momentum in the Senate to pass the legislation, which would expand background checks to all commercial firearms sales, including purchases made at gun shows and online.

A deal was being sought that would allow Reid to call for votes on several proposed amendments to the underlying gun bill, beginning with the background check measure as early as Wednesday, he said.

Supporters would need 60 votes in the 100-member chamber to overcome blocking tactics and ensure final passage. Democrats and independent allies hold 55 seats.



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(39,343 posts)
2. I envy the countries that dissolve their representative bodies
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:47 PM
Apr 2013

and start over again. I'd love a new shot at staffing the senate and house.



(30,439 posts)
17. Many other industrialized countries have parliamentary systems
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:52 PM
Apr 2013

where parliament can be dissolved and new elections held. Think of a Parliament like our Congress.

How awesome would that be? Unfortunately it requires a change to the Constitution.

America now has an extremely feeble and broken government. It's totally deadlocked and frozen. That's why we got downgraded in 2011.

That's why I sort of chuckle when anyone says America is the greatest country the world has even known.



(18,318 posts)
5. Did this proposed legislation contain the provision the ACLU objected to?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:57 PM
Apr 2013

I understand from previous posts that the new law would enable NICS test results of those not purchasing from a dealer to be kept longer by the government, and not be under the same regulation as those who currently purchase from FFLs, hence the ACLU objection.


(14,910 posts)
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:58 PM
Apr 2013

Not taking your ammunition or your weapons, not rounding up your grandfather's shotgun or your Bushmaster 'hunting' rifle...




(16,154 posts)
7. Then keep debating it day after day!
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:59 PM
Apr 2013

Don't stop till the opposition is so tired of a "Ground Hog Day" style life that they vote to end debate and allow a normal vote.


(54,254 posts)
8. Our congress is broken.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:04 PM
Apr 2013

And i don't think it can be fixed.
Not in my lifetime and probably not ever.


(30,252 posts)
10. A pity - I actually support that compromise
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:07 PM
Apr 2013

Dealers, gun shows, online sales - all of them go through the NICS check. Father hands daughter her first .22LR - no need. This would have been good, rational progress.

Of course, we're all aware that even if it cleared the Senate, there's still the House to deal with.


(16,993 posts)
11. Congress just needs to decide which matters most: life or guns
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:07 PM
Apr 2013

It's really as simple as that. The right to live your life or the right to bear arms.


(594 posts)
12. Not looking good for Toomey-Manchin
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:15 PM
Apr 2013
Whip Count

I think Coburn's online, instant, free, and recordless background check proposal might be able to reach the 60 vote threshold.


(47,992 posts)
15. You know? ANYONE could do a false flag in this situation & blame PO for a false flag. I think we
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:36 PM
Apr 2013

need to know VERY much more about HOW/WHY "our" senators make the votes they do in this kind of situation.

All of this points to corporate personhood.


(45,558 posts)
16. We are surely dangling dangerously close to banana republic territory here...
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:46 PM
Apr 2013

Parsing out what is left of our democracy waiting for a dictator.

Remember twas the Roman Senate that was dysfunctional and impotent that let loose the 400 years of tyrants and megalomaniac strongmen.

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