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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:19 AM Apr 2013

BREAKING: 12 dead, 35 missing, about 200 injured in Texas West fertilizer plant explosion

12:00 GMT: The bodies of 12 people have been recovered as a result of search operations West fertilizer plant. Authorities have confirmed that about 200 other people injured. Texas Department of Public Safety Sgt. Jason Reyes said search and rescue operations are ongoing as authorities had searched and cleared 150 buildings by Friday morning and still had another 25 to examine.


Jeffrey Patterson, a professor at the Wisconsin University School of Medicine and Public Health, doubted the claim, during a conversation with RT, from some officials that the danger was over following the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas Monday.

“The ammonia is still in the air and if this is breathed in or gets in your eyes it could cause skin burns. This could go on for days,” he said. “Chemicals may get into the groundwater.”

Patterson compared Wednesday’s blast to similar disasters at Chernobyl and the Fukushima nuclear meltdown. And while it’s impossible to adequately prepare emergency crews for an accident of such magnitude there are ways to prevent them in the future. The professor also questioned Texas Governor Rick Perry’s hands-off attitude when it comes to situations such as these.

“Many people are going to die and many are going to be injured permanently. You can do all the preparation you want but it really does not prevent the problem,” Patterson said. “We have a saying, ‘There is no cure, only prevention.’ [Perry] may have the best prepared emergency agencies but, in terms of regulatory agencies, perhaps not so well.”

http://rt.com/usa/explosion-texas-fertilizer-plant-038/

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BREAKING: 12 dead, 35 missing, about 200 injured in Texas West fertilizer plant explosion (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 OP
K&R OneGrassRoot Apr 2013 #1
Wow, I can't believe so many are still missing. cbdo2007 Apr 2013 #2
With the magnitude of that blast, there may not be much left of some of them. BlueStreak Apr 2013 #11
First reports said 50 to 70 houses and businesses were destroyed. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #18
Well the Rand Paul regulatory theory is if your work blows up then people won't work there Johonny Apr 2013 #3
Hey but they can recover damages for those who died in the courts? cascadiance Apr 2013 #4
Rand Paul Chaco Dundee Apr 2013 #15
Horrific. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #5
Definitely not a good week for the US. Beacool Apr 2013 #6
12 from the plant Catherine Vincent Apr 2013 #7
Most of them seem to have been volunteer firefighters NoPasaran Apr 2013 #17
Dunno at this point.. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #19
good god marions ghost Apr 2013 #8
So that's probably 47 dead. Patiod Apr 2013 #9
This was just a tragic accident...NOT..This was CRIMINAL neglect.. Tikki Apr 2013 #10
People are going to go to jail for this one. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #12
You know what went wrong and who's to blame, and even go so far as to call it criminal... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #21
I don't give a shit where it was located. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #22
Still too soon for political blame, need to find the rest of the dead first. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #13
Realistically fertilizer is very dangerous in hands of terrorists golfguru Apr 2013 #14
I haven't seen anything about this on the news. A terrible tragedy. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #16
How crazy is our country. Boston experienced a horrible glowing Apr 2013 #20
Good post malaise Apr 2013 #23
Good post! byeya Apr 2013 #26
Thank you. I'm sorry I had so many mis-spellings on that post. I was on the iPhone. glowing Apr 2013 #32
During weeks like this one there is no time for the grammar police malaise Apr 2013 #33
There is another reason nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #25
I think my ending thought is the need to find our heart. turn toward one another. glowing Apr 2013 #29
I agree, but it's the modern media nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #30
Agreed. They certainly do pick and choose some odd things to grab hold of... glowing Apr 2013 #34
I don't like the idea of pitting West against Boston Skittles Apr 2013 #35
Yes, they both deserve recognition. glowing Apr 2013 #36
last night i saw the death toll reported as 80 or more & 100. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #24
The wording is being ..tactful.... dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #27
Meanwhile, at the Legion of Doom Rick Perry Rex Apr 2013 #28
Last Inspection Of West, Texas Fertilizer Plant Was In 1985 (also paid fine in 2011) ProSense Apr 2013 #31

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
2. Wow, I can't believe so many are still missing.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:30 AM
Apr 2013

Are there certain structures they can't get into or certain areas?? I haven't been following this closely but I'm surprised they still have so many unaccounted for.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
11. With the magnitude of that blast, there may not be much left of some of them.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 11:21 AM
Apr 2013

Surely they are presumed dead.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
18. First reports said 50 to 70 houses and businesses were destroyed.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:38 PM
Apr 2013

Including a nursing home and a Jr. High school across the street from the blast.
So they were going door to door at first light to see who was missing.
Sadly, the wreckage needs to be cleared to find any bodies.
The firemen who were directly in the blast have been given up for dead at this point.

ENORMOUS blast and pressue wave, very small town, everthing was close to everything else.

Johonny

(20,829 posts)
3. Well the Rand Paul regulatory theory is if your work blows up then people won't work there
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:30 AM
Apr 2013


Deep thoughts like that are why he is in Times top 100 influential people.
 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
4. Hey but they can recover damages for those who died in the courts?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:37 AM
Apr 2013

That's how the libertarian system works so perfectly, doesn't it?

Who needs an ounce of prevention when you can have a pound of "court cure" which is the only thing they feel we should have government do!

NoPasaran

(17,291 posts)
17. Most of them seem to have been volunteer firefighters
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:22 PM
Apr 2013

The blaze started in the evening and I doubt anyone from the plant was on site.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
9. So that's probably 47 dead.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 11:06 AM
Apr 2013

Yea Gods.

One thing I heard on the BBC that was interesting. The interviewer kept asking "why would you put a plant that near homes and nursing homes?" and someone pointed up that towns tend to grow up around industries.

Although why would anywhere that close to a potential disaster be zoned residential? Do they put nursing homes near fireworks factories?

Tikki

(14,556 posts)
10. This was just a tragic accident...NOT..This was CRIMINAL neglect..
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 11:07 AM
Apr 2013

and this is what many communities and regions can look forward to as regulations and safety is ignored
by some States and even the Federal government.

A tragedy is when everything that can be done..is done..and an accident happens anyway.

Much of this is on perry and his come to texas where you can open a business and ignore your worker's safety.


Tikki

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
12. People are going to go to jail for this one.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:12 PM
Apr 2013

If they don't, fuck this planet. Seriously.

Even IF the plant blew up, there shouldn't have been a single death. Not one. Entirely preventable. (Fire was probably preventable too)

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
21. You know what went wrong and who's to blame, and even go so far as to call it criminal...
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:01 PM
Apr 2013

You're ready to throw people in Prison and you don't even know if anyone did anything wrong. You assume it -- not from any facts available at this time -- but because this town was located in Texas.



AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
22. I don't give a shit where it was located.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 04:13 PM
Apr 2013

This plant has a history of safety and EPA violations. No updated emergency management plan. No, or inadequate safety training records.

The volunteer fire department was not apparently aware what they were dealing with.
All of that points in one direction.

If it's location contributed to that, it is only in lax local enforcement of the regulations.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
20. How crazy is our country. Boston experienced a horrible
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:54 PM
Apr 2013

planned bombing that injured and killed 3 people. The Federal Givt, State, and local police agencies are on a massive man hunt for a teen. It seems as if the entire Boston area is on lock down, as well as, every news agency reporting any tiny thing that may or may not be occurring whether right or wrong.

In Texas, a fertilizer plant explodes. Killing many more people, blowing up residential homes, etc around the plant, and still leaving cause for possible environmental health/ harm to the people working the effected area and living around the area (the pictures look like a war zone like we've seen out of Iraq or Syria). And this was an incident that occurred from a corporation; in cooperation from paid of politicians and agencies who are supposed to protect workers, not having the resources or "man-power" to have prevented this tragedy or future tragedies.

Which story is getting the most coverage? The foreign/ American persons who planted bombs at the Biston marathon OR the corporate explosion that basically has taken out a town in Texas? The people who owned this company should be sharing space with the brothers on the FBI wanted posters. They are responsible for this!!! And they do it for greed, which may actually be worse than for a delusional, impassioned belief in some sort of "noble cause".

In any case, people have died and have been injured and now have their lives changed forever. It's kind of like the BP deep horizon explosion/ ecological disaster that was created from pure greed. No one went to jail for the killing of 11 (or 12 I forget 3 yrs later) persons who perished after the explosion on the oil rig... And no one will go to jail for the subsequent ecological disaster that will cause countless species to die, mutate, or the humans that will suffer the long term effects on the Gulf region for years into the future, some of which will lead to their deaths by cancer or other manners of health issues.

Who caused more deaths this week? How differently is the response to the two explosions that occurred this week and which one will cause changes to it laws or security responses? I would argue that security protocols will become stricter in public spaces, while coprorate murder by greed will largely continued to be ignored, work place safety measures will not become more stringent, agencies that monitor hazardous work place environments will not get more funding or more people to help monitor work place safety, and Unions will continue to be villianized and continue to lose their effective bargaining abilities (especially in these states that have made Right To Work laws).

Things are so F'd up in this country. It's no wonder what's up is down and what's left is right. Is it any wonder people in this country are so whack? We really need to find our "soul" as a nation and become grounded in a real sense of justice, fairness, equality, and a Govt that works efficiently and effectively for The People with the guidance of principals outlines in our constitution. We are losing or have lost a moral compass on society, general well being, health, compassion, empathy, and common decency. We need desperately to rid ourselves of corporate controlled Govt that rigs the law in favor of the few over the many.

Just look at the gun bill law shot down, or the ACA (ObamaCare) - most of this country is in favor of a Medicare for All approach, or getting out of long assed costly wars, or ignoring the crumbling infrastructure, or the manipulation of extraction public monies for pricate companies in even our education now (which is making the issues with education worse, not better - study after study has shown that test scores and student achievement is directly correlated to poverty of which 25% of our young people are experiencing - and with the definition of "poverty" at an unrealistically low defined amount, I'd say even more children are living in poverty than the official numbers (I'd say its closer to 35 - 45% of our children are living in impoverished circumstances or in homes that are barely making ends meet with parents who are working multiple jobs which leaves children even more vulnerable).

Things are just so damned F'd up. And our corporately controlled media is worthless, doesn't give us truths, facts, or nearly enough information about the world's news. Is it any wonder that when anything happens conspiracy theories begin popping up at the drop of a hat? People have list faith in the Govt, the news media (which is kind of like a 4th branch of Govt to keep the Govt honest by reporting factual news without opinion and sensationalism), and each other. We are so divided in this country. Just look at the vile spewed in the comments sections of articles or FaceBook/ twitter, etc or even here. We the People are turning on ourselves instead of turning towards one another. And that division makes it all the easier for the mess of our Govt to become worse and worse year after year with complete ineffectiveness.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
32. Thank you. I'm sorry I had so many mis-spellings on that post. I was on the iPhone.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:15 PM
Apr 2013

It's much harder to type my thoughts than on the computer. I'm glad most of it made enough sense with all my grammar and spelling errors that you understood the gist of what I was saying.

AND seriously, the owners of that company ought to be held accountable just as the bombers are expected to in Boston. They caused massive devastation to an entire town. They killed more people than what occurred in the Boston saga. AND they have caused a potential ecological problem that will effect people well into the future... to children unborn still. These corporations are evil, murderous, greedy bastards... AND they own way too many of our elected leaders who defy the will of The People each and every vote.

Another oxymoron to me is the idea of "organic food" and food. Why is it naturally grown, non-modified, non-chemical foods get this special label of "organic" (when seriously that's what is natural and ends up costing more), than the GMO- Franken food, doused with chemicals, irridated, pumped with who knows what to keep for longer or make a special color, is "regular food". Seriuously, how crazy is this world? Is it any wonder so many people in this country are screwed up?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. There is another reason
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 04:20 PM
Apr 2013

How close is the news media to each?

Coverage is truly inversely proportional. And that happens in counties as well.

If we had one of these in San Diego, especially after a good rain, in oh...Potrero, I can get to it, better yet a high point a few miles distant. The rest of my counterparts not so much. Dirt roads you see require a 4x4.

A lot of it is truly access and how difficult is to put people on scene.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
29. I think my ending thought is the need to find our heart. turn toward one another.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:07 PM
Apr 2013

Embrace the differences with respect, but remember we are all Americans and that we live in one part of the globe called earth. Our corporations and extreme wealth of some are ruining things at a record pace, and while we fight among ourselves about lies, conspiracies, and the regular liberal/ conservative ragging on one another, we are ignoring the true evil that is perversing our Democratic Republic. Can we really say that we have real representatives that work for the people. We have a few, and it took some hard work to overcome the money and the power that those with corporate war chests have.

I have hope that we can overcome this. I have hope that people are continuing to wake up to the perversion of the corruption. I have hope that we can fix the problems. I still have hope, even with all the horrific news and all of the negative vibes of these difficult times, I have hope. And if people have hope, we can do and inspire and lift others to hope and act in favor of this grand experiment called the United States of America that has had its challenges of living up to the ideal over the reality that each generation has experienced.

Yes, its much easier for national media that's basically based in New York to make it to Boston or Sandy Hook to report on this news of the Marathon Bombing. However, it would be nice if the news channels took a break and reported on other items going on today. There is only so much that they can find out at one time. They really should pull back. Stop making wild speculations. And wait for some official news from the police agencies. This "Breaking News" has been on since early morning around 2 AM. I went home, fell asleep after night shift, woke up, and its still on. There is other news. Taking a break would alleviate some of the nervous energy the media is causing by non-stop reporting of every tiny little bit of anything. I would rather wait to hear real, factual reports about the case, rather than the insipid spewing of speculation and nit picking of the news media and pundits. There has been so much that the news has gotten wrong. CNN nearly caused a riot outside of a Federal Court House. The New York Post identified the wrong people in a picture and caused a poor teen to fear for his life and feel he needed to stay home from school and go to the police to say he was not the bomber. AND last night, CNN was featuring a picture of some naked man being put into the back of a police vehicle. Does anyone know what that was about, who that was, why was the man naked? I don't understand that at all. Was that ever figured out why a naked man was surrounded by a ton of police who told him to strip? Who was the man on the st on the ground that MSNBC kept showing? Was that a suspect? Was that one of the dead men? I don't understand what has happened with the original items that they kept talking about or showing and then all of a sudden, received actual official police reporting, and then those pictures and "stories" changed. Shoot, even the names of the people who were "suspect" changed names in a flurry. I just don't get it. AND how is it now, this many people cannot find one boy in a small, completely surrounded area? I'm so lost on all the reporting, mis-reporting, hightened "breaking news" alert, and pure speculation that is occurring all day long.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
30. I agree, but it's the modern media
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:11 PM
Apr 2013

We had. Hunger strike outside a hotel last week. I could not get national media and had to work to get some into the small paper I write for.

It is a damn fight

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
34. Agreed. They certainly do pick and choose some odd things to grab hold of...
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:26 PM
Apr 2013

My most hated feature of the cable noise/ news is when they get all cutesy with the "celebrity news" items. There is TMZ and E channel for Kardashian crap or what not. Its rather distracting. I'd rather have a real report of what is happening in the world outside of NY or DC. It would be wonderful if we had reporting of how Iceland dealt with their banking crooks and how they voted out the people who allowed the BS to occur. (of course that's dangerous reporting right there, we might get the idea that we could do something similar).

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
35. I don't like the idea of pitting West against Boston
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 07:43 PM
Apr 2013

these are two terrible tragedies that should both be getting lots of coverage

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
36. Yes, they both deserve recognition.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 08:06 PM
Apr 2013

One is a town blown up due to corporate malfeasance (and will get away with paying off people). The other is a man hunt by all agencies for a planned bombing carnage... However, both left people dead and hurt. And West, TX caused quite a few more deaths and destruction. The pictures are similar to what a bomb like that of OK was like. There should be accountability held to the owner of this plant. Its not right!!!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
27. The wording is being ..tactful....
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 04:26 PM
Apr 2013

What I am getting on Twitter is how many actual bodies they have found, which is 12.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
28. Meanwhile, at the Legion of Doom Rick Perry
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 04:27 PM
Apr 2013

decided to cut more programs so he can afford his hair dye/gel.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
31. Last Inspection Of West, Texas Fertilizer Plant Was In 1985 (also paid fine in 2011)
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:14 PM
Apr 2013
Last Inspection Of West, Texas Fertilizer Plant Was In 1985

By Bryce Covert

The Associated Press is reporting that the fertilizer plant in West, Texas that exploded on Wednesday night hasn’t been inspected by the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) since 1985, nearly three decades ago. It was issued a fine on its last inspection for a violation related to storing ammonia:

Records reviewed by The Associated Press show that OSHA issued the West Chemical & Fertilizer Co., as the plant was called at the time, a $30 fine for a serious violation for storage of anhydrous ammonia.

OSHA cited the plant for four other serious violations of respiratory protection standards but did not issue fines. The maximum fine for a serious violation was $1,000.

The plant was also cited for failing to get a permit in 2006 after a complaint of a strong ammonia smell. That smell was reported to be “very bad” on the night of the explosion. Storing ammonia at fertilizer plants can be very hazardous; in 2008, the Center for American Progress found a fertilizer plant that stored millions of pounds of anhydrous ammonia in Pasadena, Texas to be among the most hazardous chemical facilities in the country, with more than 3 million people living in range of a worst-case ammonia gas release.

A day after the explosion in West, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a new report documenting a widespread lack of workplace inspections by state OSHA programs. After surveying 22 state-run programs, it found that the agencies had problems with hiring and retaining inspectors, in part due to low pay. State budget cuts have had a big impact, leading to funding problems, and the federal agency often hasn’t taken over state plans because its own budget is too tight. This has meant that a workplace only gets a visit from OSHA inspectors every 99 years on average, with some state programs even worse. In Texas, a plant can only expect an inspection every 126 years.

<...>

UPDATE

The plant in West was inspected in 2011 by the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA), which issued a fine of $10,100 for missing placards and “not having a security plan” in violation of Hazardous Materials Regulations. A compromise was reached in 2012 after corrective actions were taken, which included the plant admitting to the violations and paying a lowered penalty of $5,250.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/04/19/1893601/update-last-inspection-of-west-texas-fertilizer-plant-was-in-1985/

Notice how Republicans are spewing crap about immigration reform after the Boston incident, but not a peep about the lax regulatory environment that facilitated the death of 15 people, another 35 people are still missing.

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