I for one do not believe that all of this is for one individual -

[PCIntern]

or one small nuclear family. Blackhawk helicopters and the military are called in for several reasons, none of which involve one lone 19 year-old and his helper or two.

This is very serious and stretches far beyond that which is being reported by the MSM.

[fitman]

1. I disagree

They are just covering all bases..better to be over prepared than to face accusations later of being under prepared.

[WilliamPitt]

2. The Ethic of Overwhelming Force

Live and in color.

[jollyreaper2112]

3. or...

It's rare that we actually get a chance to pull out all the toys and why hold anything back when resources are at your disposal?

Just look at how many cops respond to a single nut with a gun holding hostages. He's outnumbered a hundred to one at least.

[KittyWampus]

4. So you have prior experience with bomb planting guys who also fight back rather than commit

suicide by police?

[PearliePoo2]

5. I agree but I'm hoping I'm wrong in my gut about this.

If there is indeed more going on it's probably best we don't know all of it quite yet.

[graham4anything]

6. It is two. Two brothers. The one alive has a bomb attatched, grenades and guns/bullets

[MADem]

7. Uh, that "one individual" and his brother disrupted a major international sporting event,

killed 3 (so far) people and wounded a hundred and fifty.

This IS very serious--and that's why. There's no need for anything "more" than that.

What, we should let this nut wander off, and pick him up when we get around to it?

One way you deter people from doing this kind of murderous shit is to hunt them down like the dogs they are--actions do have consequences in the real world. That's why we pay taxes to fund police/FBI.

Sheesh.

[PCIntern]

12. Uh....

La dee dah...everything is always as 'they' say it is...isn't it?

[MADem]

37. You have eyes--I suggest you use them.

The absurdity of your post on a day like today is just beyond belief.

Stupid and tasteless. Shameless.

[magical thyme]

8. finding a 3rd suspect, a suicide bomber aged 60-70

who doesn't speak English so they were calling for a translator tells me you may be right.

[Cal Carpenter]

13. Is this confirmed?

I have seen references to it here but not anywhere else...

[justiceischeap]

22. There is a stream some have been listening to.

I myself have been listening to it off and on. They have a 60-70 yr old man who appears to have a bomb a dead man's device in his hand. Last I heard prior to going for lunch is they were approaching him with 4 bomb robots. I don't know, however, if he is in any way related to the marathon bombing.

[riderinthestorm]

23. There's a DUer whose listening to a (still) open police feed.

The links been posted here on DU but I don't want to re-post it since most of the other regular police feeds have been shut down.

[Jamastiene]

34. Source?

This is the first I have heard of a suicide bomber.

[nolabear]

9. I believe it, but I think they are still trying to find out if there's more too.

It could well be this small, insane group. But the police, like DU, doesn't know what it doesn't know. Look at all the speculation here. You see a physical manifestation of that in all that weaponry. I don't mind it as long as they use it carefully and wisely.

[longship]

10. Please, no conspiracy theories. nt

[PCIntern]

14. ...and why not?

It already IS a conspiracy by definition, there were AT LEAST TWO involved...not 'theory', FACT.

[longship]

18. Well, please everybody don't conflate.

We know what we know... not much, actually. We may not ever know all about this if this second guy gets killed. If that happens people will start making stuff up which will certainly be BS.

That doesn't serve anybody or any purpose. It's okay to say, "we may never know."

Just my feelings about these things.

[PCIntern]

19. why not?

Or is stifling hypotheses the "new intellectualism"? My screen name may be PC, but I'm anything but...

[longship]

20. Nevermind. Do what you wish. nt

[PCIntern]

27. Much appreciated. Nt

[TwilightGardener]

11. I don't know, maybe they're just taking all precautions.

[cthulu2016]

15. Yup. I heard that a lot when we invaded Iraq. "They must know something..."

[HiPointDem]

38. +1

[Dreamer Tatum]

16. Here is a list of what is unknown

1. Whether these kids are a part of something bigger.

2. Whether the kid is in a fortified safe house.

3. Whether there are sympathizers looking to join the fight against the cops.

4. Whether the increased hardware has devices and capabilities that the ordinary cops don't have.

5. Whether there are more bombs planted here and there, waiting to be detonated.

And a lot of other things.

Luckily, people charged with protecting us don't try to answer these questions with their "gut" instincts.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

40. 6. Whether the kid is dead or not

He was last seen with a firearm. It's plausible he could have offed himself after escaping from the police last night. Nobody on TV seems to be considering this very obvious possibility.

[onenote]

42. So let's consider it a possibility

what do you do next after noting that its possible he's not alive.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

44. Could be a long weekend in the Boston area

If the guy is lying dead somewhere it could take awhile for someone to stumble across his body. I'm not saying that has happened, just that it seems possible at the very least. There was also at least one report that he was wounded before getting away.

[Marrah_G]

17. I believe it

[Warren Stupidity]

21. The two of them were involved in a shoot out last night

in which, while one of them was killed, they managed basically to outgun the police. Escalation to military force was the next step. There is no credible evidence so far of more than these two people involved.

[justiceischeap]

24. I find it amazing people are so incredulous that two people could cause this much havoc

It doesn't seem the reality is sinking in that these guys aren't armed with only guns but explosives, as well. And we don't know everything the FBI/others know. The cop telling the reporter they wouldn't be there if they knew what was going on tells a very large story that something really bad is happening.

Edited to add:
The Aurora shooter booby-trapped his entire apartment with explosives and that's just one guy.

[riderinthestorm]

26. And they've killed the officer at MIT and critically wounded a Boston cop.

That the older brother was armed with explosive devices means its not inconceivable that the younger is as well.

I believe the escalation is probably warranted now, even if its still unclear if there's greater involvement with more other violent suspects.

[Catherine Vincent]

25. Good point

There sure is a lot of resources being used for 1 guy. He's probably holed up somewhere crying.

[cbdo2007]

28. If he's got a bomb strapped to him that could kill 100 people....

then it is in everyone's best interest to find him ASAP.

[flamingdem]

30. How sick that he won't just blow himself up or shoot himself

and that he may want to take out more people on his way out.

[cbdo2007]

31. I would guess that's the only reason he's still alive at this point....

is that he's planning to try to take a few more people out with him.

[flamingdem]

29. These two have ties of some kind - even if informal

we can't pretend that Islamic extremism has nothing
to do with it..

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Remember the guy in California?

http://news.yahoo.com/deputy-killed-shootout-suspected-fugitive-los-angeles-ex-004943799.html



That search area was a helluva lot bigger than Boston metro. You kill a cop, they're coming after you.

[Taverner]

33. Oh I do. Overresponse is very common for police

Just remember when the LAPD was going after the cop killer...

[ChangeUp106]

35. Agree fellow Phillies fan

If this guys just had one IED, would it be like this? This guy must have something else we don't know about.

[Orsino]

36. It's for the dozens of victims...

...their families, friends, and caring citizens across the city, the state, the nation and the world.

[bullwinkle428]

39. Look how much force was used to take down one guy (Dorner)

just a couple of months ago.

[Incitatus]

41. Maybe there is more than one, but this doesn't look like a well planned or well funded attack.

I think the resources being used are justified even if it is just the one brother left.

[JI7]

43. why ? one person with a bomb can kill many

[jimlup]

45. Too early to tell...

And if so we will probably never know.

I admit your speculation is plausible but I'm skeptical of either side...