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[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. No evidence of that - they want to take him alive.

[Logical]

11. That is why they just fires 30 shots at him? Justified I agree but not trying to take him alive. n-t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. How do we know who fired the shots?

Maybe it was the perp, or maybe they were firing something like nonlethal beanbag rounds. They are not going to kill this guy unless he poses an imminent threat to the LEOs. They want him alive if possible.

If he does get killed I'm not going to waste a lot of kleenex crying over him. He murdered a little kid. Fuck him.

[Hayabusa]

36. Suppression Fire, maybe?

Get him to get his head down so they can move to a more tactically advantageous position.

[KittyWampus]

47. they were trying to rip top off boat- you don't know what you are talking about

[randome]

55. Rubber bullets, according to one report.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

110. I wouldn't loose any sleep if I found out both of his legs had to be amputated.

That's if it happened legally mind you.

[Myrina]

45. You really think he's going to LET them take him alive?

After the exhibition of firepower he & his brother used over the last 18 hours?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

46. Depends on whether he has anything left.

[Gore1FL]

85. I hope so.

He is more valuable alive. We are supposed to have due process, too.

[liberalmuse]

2. It makes me sick.

As does knowing that people went to Boston to run, and ended up with missing limbs and dead loved ones. The entire thing is fucking senseless.

[uppityperson]

41. Thank you. Exactly. the whole f*ing thing is tragic and makes me sick

[morningfog]

3. It is sad and tragic and terrifying from start to finish.

[justiceischeap]

4. Not true. nt

[TwilightGardener]

5. He needs to put up his hands and surrender, and he might live.

He could have surrendered last night, and instead he killed a young police officer.

[uppityperson]

20. Of course.

[Marrah_G]

6. We are listening to police trying to take this young man alive

They are being very careful

[JRLeft]

7. They are using non-lethal force.

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. Better this ends now,

than it continues indefinitely.

[uppityperson]

22. Of course

[emulatorloo]

9. They want him alive, EMT is on site.

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. Agreed

Incredibly sad moment.

[bettyellen]

12. he could surrender you know. we'd all prefer that.

[uppityperson]

24. of course

[Ikonoklast]

13. No one made him do it.

He made the choice.

It was a bad one.

[uppityperson]

26. of course

[Ikonoklast]

49. He can still surrender, but he won't.

Another life destroyed by religious fundamentalism.


I won't mourn the loss, sorry.

[MichiganVote]

14. Actually he's a 19 year old murderer of an 8 year old boy

[uppityperson]

29. Of course. I said he is a murderer.

[anneboleyn]

33. AMEN. I cry for 8 year old Martin, whose life was stolen from him by this creep

[iamthebandfanman]

81. yeah!

so drag his dead body through the streets so we can all drink and play in his blood!
because thatll change everything..



sorry, I don't care what someones done.. the bloodlust has to stop somewhere.

thank god MA is a no death penalty state (assuming he goes through the normal legal process and survives what hes going through now).
he deserves to be punished..
but an eye for an eye leaves the world blind :p

lets hope he survives whats going on so he can sit in jail for the rest of his life thinking about what he did... and how his life is gone..

[MichiganVote]

86. You seem to have much more imagination than I so indulge yourself-elsewhere

Nobody will miss you.

[StarryNite]

15. It's his choice...

they want him alive.

[uppityperson]

32. Of course

[elehhhhna]

16. part of me wants him to feel the terror he's inflicted

but as the mom of a 19 yr old, somewhat sorry for him too

[StarryNite]

39. He's not your 19 yr old...

He's a murderer. He murdered somebody's 8 yr old son. Don't compare him to your kid.

[elehhhhna]

64. omg thanks, didn't know I'm not his mom

hey, just being honest about my mixed emotions

but I get why you're angry

[StarryNite]

89. Yeah, I'm angry

and that's putting it mildly! He has a choice if he wants to live or die, he can surrender. The 8 yr old had no choice! Neither did his other victims including the ones that will never be able to walk on their own flesh and blood legs again. All I really meant was when you look at your 19 yr old, don 't even insult your child by comparing him or her to this monster. This thing deserves no sympathy.

[Skittles]

17. not me - my TV is not even on

I am not a rubbernecker

[Live and Learn]

30. Same here. nt

[Wait Wut]

18. It is. n/t

[TwilightZone]

19. It sounds as though they're trying very hard to take him alive.

[Codeine]

21. Actually we are all watching and listening to law enforcement doing everything it can

to apprehend an extremely dangerous, extremely violent, well-armed suspect alive without getting shot themselves.

[Posteritatis]

31. Yep. If they simply wanted him dead it would've happened by now. (nt)

[StarryNite]

23. I have zero sympathy for him. eom

[Puzzledtraveller]

38. Ditto

[uppityperson]

43. I did not say that. Of course you don't. He is a murderer. The WHOLE F*ing thing is awful.

[undeterred]

27. He killed 3 people and took off the limbs of dozens of others.

For no reason.

[Gore1FL]

103. He still gets due process. n/t

[tridim]

28. The whole World is listening. I imagine this ordeal is having a huge impact on culture.

[Myrina]

34. Agreed. The whole week feels sick.

[Trajan]

35. I keep thinking about that 8 year old kid ...

I'm pretty sure he wanted to live longer ...

He believed in peace ... at so young an age ...

These fellas .... they made some bad choices ... they hurt over 170 people .... they cut off limbs with brute force ...

As much as I want him taken alive, I would not ask one single EMT to go to his aid now ... why risk his life too?

[Barack_America]

48. I think it's possible to mourn both.

Nobody wins in these tragedies.

[JI7]

53. they aren't equal

[Barack_America]

60. And?

Clearly, the death of the little boy is the greater tragedy, but that does not mean the waste of the suspect's young life is not also regrettable.

[JI7]

69. i don't really see anything regrettable about it, i regret his mother didn't abort

[Barack_America]

74. One of the ugliest things I have read on DU.

Congratulations. I think we're done here.

[Lucky Luciano]

128. Ignore Barack America. Listen to the shitstain's uncle.

Uncle says he has no right to live and that they should never have existed.

[im1013]

130. Wow...

What has this place become?

What have we as a human race become?

Sad...

[Trajan]

56. I will leave the mourning for cold blooded killers to you

... there is plenty of mourning to go around, thanks to these sweet fellas ....

Have at it ...

[Barack_America]

63. Ok. nt

[StarryNite]

70. I'm with you.

I wonder how many of them would be feeling sorry for him if one of their family members had been one of his victims?

[Common Sense Party]

37. We are listening to the classic struggle between good and evil,

between civilization and barbarity.

It is tragic that evil people exist. It is wonderful that we have brave people willing to take them on.

And you are being disingenuous to suggest that the police are aiming to kill him. I'm listening to the scanner, and I hear anything but what you're saying. They are doing everything to take this punk alive.

[uppityperson]

51. I did not say "the police are aiming to kill". However, he may well be dying.

We are all watching and listening to a 19 yr old probably die. Yes, he is a murderer, but still it is just wholly tragic. The whole f*ing thing.

[Common Sense Party]

54. Yes, and if he doesn't want to die, he should damn well surrender.

Get off the boat, throw himself to the ground, be taken into custody and get some medical care.

It's HIS CHOICE.

[uppityperson]

58. I agree. He has made really shitty choices.

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. Can't connect any longer

But I agree

[Control-Z]

40. Chris Mathews is all over the place

on this. Andrea Mitchell had to bring him back to earth, ffs. After listening to him and these other "professionals" who could possibly know what is really happening?

[dorkulon]

42. This is the least tragic part of it.

All of the victims were innocent. Not this guy and his brother. I hope they get him alive, but not because he deserves it in any way.

[anneboleyn]

50. Yes, exactly, well-put!

[rightsideout]

44. Yea

We all have memories of that fellow in CA where the cabin he is in burned to the ground.

It's funny, although not real funny but CNN refuses to mention his name. They are being real cautious. They keep calling the enclosed space he is in a structure but it could be a boat.

I heard they are using a stun gernade and want to take him alive. Or gas.

It sounds like the goal is to take him alive.

[Nye Bevan]

52. Why would he surrender? He is looking forward to the 72 virgins. (nt)

[cthulu2016]

71. I love the new DU

[ecstatic]

57. I'm not

Not to suggest I'm better than anyone, but I had to turn it off. I hope he's captured alive and is willing to talk.

[bklyncowgirl]

59. They have an FBI negotiator there. They want to take him alive if they can do so.

Safety of police and civilians comes first.

[uppityperson]

61. I hope they get this finished with no more loss of life.

[JohnnyBoots]

62. They need to bring back public hangings. nt.

[Trajan]

88. um ... no .. they don't ....

are you sure you are on the correct website here?

[Raine]

65. His living or dying is all within HIS OWN hands. All he has to do is

surrender.

[Bad Thoughts]

66. No, I'm reading about the end of a tragedy and a nightmare

He can surrender. He should surrender. Anyway it ends will mark the end of suffering and fear.

[Riftaxe]

67. It is hard to weep over a chechnyan Jihadist

who has probably maimed, mutilated and killed so many.

[Melinda]

68. It is abhorrant. All of it horrific. Madness! My heart goes out to ALL involved, even this young man

More death!! I can hardly bear this.

[michigandem58]

73. His dying would not be tragic

but it would be just.

[MaineLinePhilly]

75. No sympathy here

No sympathy for this scumbag. None whatsoever!! If he was shot from last night I hope he's been in major pain all day and ends up dying a slow death. He deserves it!

[babylonsister]

76. You just made me hate myself.

I just want this over, but that could very likely be the result.

[uppityperson]

78. Sorry, not meant to do that. It is just, just too much.

[proud patriot]

77. if he can get himself out of the boat on the ground unarmed perhaps he'll be taken alive

Bombs are stupid things to do if you want EMT assistance..

I sure hope it's the right person .

[frogmarch]

79. He's an adult. And a murderer.

I hope he can be taken alive, but if he can't be, he'll get no tears from me.

[hatrack]

129. No, he's not an adult, he's 19. He's also a cowardly shitbag killer, but one with legal rights

And he should have a chance to surrender peacefully, which he's now done.

[hack89]

138. In every legal sense he is an adult. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

80. If he dies the Neocons will write his story....

Tweety had on Giuliani earlier.

[Hekate]

82. We are listening to the police trying to take him alive

[uppityperson]

83. I agree with you also.

[Hekate]

87. He's no good to anyone dead. I hope they bring him in alive.

[backscatter712]

84. Don't kill him. Just blow his limbs off, but leave him alive.

What?

I'm a fan of poetic justice!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

90. To me, this is the definition of "overkill".

It's truly sad AND insane.

[Trajan]

91. I see this thread is bringing out the right wing Gungeonites

it's an awful sight to behold

[im1013]

134. +1000

[TDale313]

92. I would love for them to take him alive...

And to me it sounds like they are truly trying. But I will feel no sorrow if he dies. If that makes me a horrible person, so be it.

My heart has broken over and over these last few days. For so many people. The victims and their families, for the people of Boston, for the first responders and law enforcement. For innocent Muslims who will once again face the suspicion and hatred of strangers. For the innocent bystanders who found themselves under suspicion as these events unfolded. (Including the missing Brown Student and his poor family)

My heart broke for these two men's family. The older one leaves behind a wife and young child. The Uncle who showed so much pain and anger. The parents, who can't believe their sons could do this.

I wish I could feel some empathy for them. I think I'm just all cried out.

[frogmarch]

97. +1

[riderinthestorm]

93. If he dies, it will be entirely his decision. Since his decisions up til now have been crap

I don't expect him to make a sensible choice.

So he will most likely choose to die.

I feel more sorry for the LEO's who will have to suffer because they shot him.

I feel more sorry for the families this murderer killed.

I feel more sorry for the families this murdered maimed, tortured and permanently damaged.

I feel more sorry for us, because a joyous gathering like a marathon will never be the same.

Tsarnaev dying is not tragic. Its grotesque to believe he deserves our pity or concern. He's an adult making his own choices.

[agent46]

94. From what we know about

From what we already know about these two young men - their remarkable traumatic past, their exceptional intelligence, their arrival in the US during high school, access to money, the amateur way they (may have) carried out the bombing with no plan for escape or effort to conceal their own identities...

I'm thinking there's a lot more to this story. I think they are being used. By whom? I have no idea and personally favor no pet conspiracy theories. But if this story ends up the way they always seem to these days, the remaining living suspect will end up dead and the narrative will be controlled for propaganda purposes in the media.

Color me cynical. I hope I'm wrong though.

[Punkingal]

95. It's sad...

I'm sorry for him, too.

[SHRED]

96. "The whole f*ing thing"

Really?

Taking this murderer out would be "wholly tragic"?


Wow.

[REP]

99. I have to agree

[backscatter712]

106. See my suggestion in post #84. I know, I'm a horrible person! n/t

[uppityperson]

108. The whole thing sucks. eom

[Skidmore]

100. Earlier in the week we watched an 8 year old die.

And he had no choice.

[uppityperson]

107. I agree, that is awful and makes me sick

[LiberalElite]

101. CNN now says a negotiator is on the scene nt

[robinlynne]

102. oh my. I went to buy milk. strange coming back and seeing this.

[sheshe2]

104. Is it tragic, yes.

This whole week has been tragic.

Channel 5 is Breaking News that the GOAL of law enforcement is to take him alive. If he dies it will be his choice, a bad choice, as so many others he has made. I will not cry for him.

I will cry for those that wanted to live, yet died at his hands. I cry for Jeff Bauman, that had both legs blown off when a duffel bag was placed next to him. He had to have been about the same age as the murderer. He was saving to go to college. He had the fortitude to live and aid enforcement officers to identify these murderers.

He severely maimed so many, he did this cruelly and without a shred of remorse. He tore out Bostons heart in its grief.

I will not shed a tear for him. He does not deserve my compassion.

[mokawanis]

105. Blood lust and revenge

suck. Every criminal is entitled to his day in court, even Tsarnaev.

I'm beginning to think some people would like it if they tied him to a tree and put the dogs on him.

[Barack_America]

111. It's ugly and revolting. nt

[Lucky Luciano]

131. Or burying him in a hole to his neck and putting honey on his face forthe local insects? nt

[MillennialDem]

109. Hopefully they take him alive and hopefully the police have been instructed to try to do so

First, I don't believe in the death penalty as a whole... yes it makes me feel sick for the dead and injured and the families of the dead and injured - and is it wrong of me to feel worse for the injured and the families of the dead than the actual dead? Sounds like for the most part they never knew what hit em (even if one was a kid)...... The poor guy who lost not one but BOTH legs omg

But I want to know why he did it if him and his brother hatched this plot on their own.

And I want to know everything about the group they were involved with if there are other people involved in this.

[Ruby the Liberal]

112. My guess is rubber bullets

They tried like hell to keep the other one alive. Saw the pics - they even did a Thoracotomy on him to try to keep his heart going.

Authorities need to know who is/was funding these assholes.

[humbled_opinion]

113. I can beleive the teabags at my job...

They said, "reports say it took over 60 rounds to bring down the first terror suspect..... but Obama wants you to limit your gun clips to 6 shots....:" Amazing ignorance on the right.

[AverageJoe90]

114. Don't have much sympathy for him at the moment.

Yeah, it IS true that he came from a dysfunctional family(something I can personally relate to, btw, though my situation isn't as bad), and was struggling in life, but to be be honest? So do many others, and most of them don't snap and blow people up; this guy and his even scummier brother did.

And one of the people who died was an 8-year-old kid, who will never know the joys of living ever again(though one can hope for a happy afterlife, at least).

[southernyankeebelle]

115. He is a human being first. He is 19 yrs old and what I want to know what brought him

to this? We all have that right to know.

[AverageJoe90]

118. TBH, I can agree with that.

People don't just commit crimes like this out of the f***ing blue. You are SO right about that, YankeeBelle. There are underlying problems, and they need to be brought to the forefront.

[southernyankeebelle]

125. Yes, I pray he will live and maybe get his life back on track. Sadly this kid will never

see the light of day again. I bet his brother screwed with his head. People dancing in the streets are not helpful. Religion is the root of evil because people can't seem to get along without hating each other because of what religion they are. Crazy.

[Codeine]

116. In custody. :)

[uppityperson]

121. YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Find out WHY the HELL he did this. Jail now forever. Thank you

[backscatter712]

117. If the chatter on Reddit is correct, it looks like the perp's been captured alive.

http://www.reddit.com/r/inthenews/comments/1cpk64/boston_marathon_explosion_live_update_thread_21/

I don't want to make it sound like I'm certain about this development - wouldn't want to pull a CNN...

[mnhtnbb]

119. alive in custody and medic called to the scene.

[emulatorloo]

120. SUSPECT IN CUSTODY, Alive.

[TDale313]

122. They captured him alive per MSNBC n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

123. AAAAAND... he's in custody and alive.

[blackspade]

124. No one should be hoping for his death.

He is likely the perp, but until he is tried in court, he is innocent.
We should all be hoping he is taken alive so he can stand trial, and we as fellow citizens can see the evidence against him and judge accordingly.
If he is in fact part of a terror cell, then taking him into custody could be an intelligence bonanza.

[marions ghost]

133. Right

excellent call to try to take him alive.

[realFedUp]

127. Overkill

I give credit to the FBI for finding their photos and the quick search for them and find. It's a relief that the suspect is now in custody and will able to provide more information. But really? It turns out that a negotiator could have been brought in a lot sooner and there could have been less firefight considering he was one man against so much more artillery and men. This whole police procedure seemed more military oriented.

As glad as I am about the final outcome and we still don't know if he'll live to tell, I kept wondering about the whole procedure.

[randome]

132. This 19 year old killed people and horribly maimed many others.

I'm glad he wasn't killed but I don't have any sympathy for him, either.

The much greater tragedy is those whose lives he ruined.

[texanwitch]

136. He will have the rest of his life in a max prison to think about it.

His life is over.

I hope it is a long life.

[Dreamer Tatum]

135. I say do to him what he did to others. nt

[Amonester]

137. The little shitty coward will probably die

either in Hospital, or in Jail.

I heard it was him celebrating the blast (prolly 'his').

[uppityperson]

139. Self deleting as I shared as did many DUers. Thank you for sharing and glad it is over. Now to find

out why they did this. The whole thing is tragic.