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michigandem58

(1,044 posts)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:10 AM Apr 2013

Sorry, I won't join in the Boston Police worship

The mass worship of the entire force is just a bit much. I can't forget that brutality and misconduct is too systemic is so many departments.

As far as the union stuff goes, they're often traitors to other public unions. They'll back repugnants, who in turn will exempt them from anti-union legislation.

They are not our political allies, nor are they saints.

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Sorry, I won't join in the Boston Police worship (Original Post) michigandem58 Apr 2013 OP
"worship" - typical DU hyperbole. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #1
Yep. "Worship" on DU = "being happy to any degree with anything I personally dislike." (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #66
Thanks for posting crap? No way. EOM cartach Apr 2013 #93
The worship of authority has been a bit thick lately quinnox Apr 2013 #2
Yeah right. Again, typical BS DU Hyperbole. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #7
Yes, but how does it Jenoch Apr 2013 #9
not good quinnox Apr 2013 #12
Can you smell how thick it is? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #17
I fully agree! gopiscrap Apr 2013 #27
Nobody asked you to. gateley Apr 2013 #3
Exactly. LisaL Apr 2013 #4
Congratulating all the agencies involved for a stand-up job is not worship. randome Apr 2013 #5
Exactly Catch2.2 Apr 2013 #58
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #71
Well said! Thank you. n/t Fla Dem Apr 2013 #95
At this time, maybe people aren't looking for political allies. baldguy Apr 2013 #6
No one has said thay are saints or political allies notadmblnd Apr 2013 #8
Agree... retrogal Apr 2013 #99
The officials in boston... local, state and federal boston bean Apr 2013 #10
Interesting and telling that no one has responded to your second paragraph.. n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #11
Indeed - they mostly support Republicans n/t michigandem58 Apr 2013 #14
Maybe because the 2nd paragraph has nothing to do with the subject heading. randome Apr 2013 #15
I disagree Fumesucker Apr 2013 #22
I disagree they did their job 'competently'. They did an OUTSTANDING job. randome Apr 2013 #25
We are so used to incompetence in law enforcement that mere competence looks like outstanding Fumesucker Apr 2013 #34
Zing! Thank you, FS! eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #45
#1. I have cops in my family too. And they are/were proud Democrats. #2. Boston is pretty liberal KittyWampus Apr 2013 #73
thank you! gopiscrap Apr 2013 #31
Perhaps because it's utterly irrelevant to the job done in this particular instance mythology Apr 2013 #19
I've noticed that as well. That's really pathetic and sad BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #24
Thank You! gopiscrap Apr 2013 #40
this is true about police unions since day one. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #48
Poster is painting with a broad brush No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #86
The police unions supported Romney I found in a few seconds of teh Google Fumesucker Apr 2013 #89
Please post MA police unions endorsement for President 2012, No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #124
I'm not your flunky, do your own research if you wish to press your point n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #132
Post #89 was your point, but perhaps No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #134
I already did support my point with evidence, the police unions supported Rmoney. Fumesucker Apr 2013 #135
Are we sensitive? No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #139
Still no data to support your claim? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #140
well, this is an opportunity for you to put aside your politics for a moment bigtree Apr 2013 #13
Well put. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #74
+1 freshwest Apr 2013 #125
Phase 2: swim counter current to the emotional trend. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #16
You're very ignorant of unions if you think we're traitors to other unions lunatica Apr 2013 #18
Police and Firefighter unions are notorious for disrespecting everyone else's right to form a union BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #30
Thanks BlueCaliDem gopiscrap Apr 2013 #35
That's been my personal experience, too. Once, I had a squad car follow BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #44
Good for your daughter. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #63
Thank you. Yes, the ACLU has values consistent with hers. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #72
Yeah, and some unions support building Walmarts. Teamsters were for drilling in the Arctic KittyWampus Apr 2013 #75
Teamsters were looking at $5 a gallon back before 2008. They were worried about the huge job losses BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #123
Yep, typical republicans AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #81
Every time I've seen a union picket line, I've seen "union" cops escorting scabs across it. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #64
OK, you're getting the attention you wanted. reformist2 Apr 2013 #20
How about you address the OP's post instead of attacking the OP? BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #32
You are 100% correct. People tend to put police on a pedestal. Officer friendly mode. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #21
I only did that when my kids were young, to instill respect for police officers. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #37
I didn't even do that...I always told my kids gopiscrap Apr 2013 #51
Maybe I should've done that, too, since now they kind of tell me I was wrong. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #65
Do you have an alternative? FrodosPet Apr 2013 #23
Thank you I totally agree with you gopiscrap Apr 2013 #26
And if they hadn't been there? treestar Apr 2013 #28
Effective political advocacy requires Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #29
+1 FarCenter Apr 2013 #52
This. n/t ms liberty Apr 2013 #94
K... Pelican Apr 2013 #33
It is not worship to acknowledge a job well done nt Progressive dog Apr 2013 #36
To tangentially mimic the sentiments of our Far Right Hyper-patriot counterparts: stlsaxman Apr 2013 #38
Yes, because private mercenaries like Blackwater would have been just the ticket. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #39
So why the need to tell us how you feel? The cops risked their lives to capture this guy and upaloopa Apr 2013 #41
The Suck is strong today. WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #42
So is the naively! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #50
"I am all for civil liberties, but have no issue with cameras everywhere!" ProSense Apr 2013 #59
Mandatory personalized RFD human implants and sensors everywhere. L0oniX Apr 2013 #82
Wow, you are so clueless. You get it that camera in public are 100% legal. Always have been..... Logical Apr 2013 #96
"Wow, you are so clueless." ProSense Apr 2013 #107
LOL, PMs to you become public because one of them seems like "stalking" to you. You have been.... Logical Apr 2013 #111
Yes, and clearly you're proud of "stalking." ProSense Apr 2013 #114
You must be in heaven embracing your denial. Go back to something you know...... Logical Apr 2013 #116
LOL! ProSense Apr 2013 #118
Not at all. You have said that many times. Like you are the center of the DU and I only respond.... Logical Apr 2013 #119
I'm detecting issues. ProSense Apr 2013 #121
exposed a whole lot SwampG8r Apr 2013 #136
Strongly agree! Let's keep our heads. jimlup Apr 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #46
I am no fan of the BPD or any police dept. morningfog Apr 2013 #47
Appreciation for a job well done Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #49
We were all waiting for your opinion RetroLounge Apr 2013 #53
LOL! randome Apr 2013 #54
Thread win. WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #55
/end thread ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #68
Touche! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #77
Funny TomClash Apr 2013 #106
"We were all waiting for your opinion now I can go wipe my ass with it" Damn... just1voice Apr 2013 #110
wow, wonderful counter to his post, very detailed. Wipe your ass with your response first. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #112
DU -- it never disappoints. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #56
Police SamKnause Apr 2013 #57
i was curious about this so i did some surfing.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #60
Thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #61
I agreed DainBramaged Apr 2013 #62
Is this attitude any better? matt819 Apr 2013 #67
The sons a bitches Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #69
True, but job well done in this case. RedCappedBandit Apr 2013 #70
Police? damnedifIknow Apr 2013 #76
+1 TomClash Apr 2013 #102
They are human beings and public servants. Don't call the police next time you need them. AAO Apr 2013 #78
Come to Boston and say that. graywarrior Apr 2013 #79
Love it! RiffRandell Apr 2013 #115
Now *here* is our thread winner! Brigid Apr 2013 #133
We should thank them for doing their job that they get paid for ...uhmm L0oniX Apr 2013 #80
It's the same reason why I'd thank firefighters who save a burning home at octothorpe Apr 2013 #88
Of course not. There's always one. You're it. (I'll have to look for that worship post.)nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #83
I agree. Cops will be fine with being the last union. FreeBC Apr 2013 #84
Wow iandhr Apr 2013 #85
uh oh you are criticizing the hysteria and blood lust prevalent here a few days ago lol nt msongs Apr 2013 #87
Suffolk County MA went for President Obama... PennsylvaniaMatt Apr 2013 #90
Saints are above criticism, cops are not. But some here seem to believe to the contrary. Why? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #91
Imagine the LA police conducting this manhunt. caseymoz Apr 2013 #92
If the LA cops handled this they would be sifting through the ashes trying to identify the body rightsideout Apr 2013 #98
And trying to identify which one's the perp. nt caseymoz Apr 2013 #127
They don't get my praise sorefeet Apr 2013 #97
Ah, DU. A turd in every punchbowl NoPasaran Apr 2013 #100
Are you talking about yourself? Confused! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #101
Lots of the responses are just emotional michigandem58 Apr 2013 #122
Yeh, but anyway, that was some awesome impressive skill and teamwork displayed Zorra Apr 2013 #103
Your broadbrush is astonishingly thin gruel. grantcart Apr 2013 #104
Here's a thought rightsideout Apr 2013 #105
I agree. The Seattle police have been under zeeland Apr 2013 #126
I think it is pathetic that praise of police officers drives you to make an OP like this. tritsofme Apr 2013 #108
Wow, are you really that clueless about police abuse? n-t Logical Apr 2013 #113
Well said, it's worse than it was during the criminal Bush years just1voice Apr 2013 #109
You're right except . . . TomClash Apr 2013 #117
I won't either. I will however compliment ALL law enforcement agencies involved and thank them cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #120
I am the first to point out... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #128
then dont. and do not be so insulting to say a cheer and pat on back is fuckin worshipping. really seabeyond Apr 2013 #129
Cops do good. Cops do bad. Earth_First Apr 2013 #130
this just comes off as one of those "need to show i'm still a rebel, superior" or whatever JI7 Apr 2013 #131
"worship"?? How about a slap on the back for a job well done. DCBob Apr 2013 #137
Then instead of worshiping them LostOne4Ever Apr 2013 #138

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
1. "worship" - typical DU hyperbole.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:12 AM
Apr 2013

No one is asking you to join anything, but thanks for posting.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
66. Yep. "Worship" on DU = "being happy to any degree with anything I personally dislike." (nt)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:58 PM
Apr 2013
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. Congratulating all the agencies involved for a stand-up job is not worship.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:15 AM
Apr 2013

Sounds to me like you would rather not acknowledge a good job when you see one. Why can't you point out the abuses AND the professionalism? Most of us can do that.

Does the world have to be perfect before you recognize a good job when you see one?

Your choice, I guess.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
8. No one has said thay are saints or political allies
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:21 AM
Apr 2013

But they did do their job successfully and professionally in this case- and for that they deserve an attaboy. So why don't you go pee in somone elses bowl of Cheerios just this one time hmmmmm?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
22. I disagree
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:30 AM
Apr 2013

Union members that overwhelmingly vote Republican don't deserve praise from Democrats just for doing their job competently, competence is the minimum standard for professionals.



 

randome

(34,845 posts)
25. I disagree they did their job 'competently'. They did an OUTSTANDING job.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:32 AM
Apr 2013

And assuming that Boston police unions overwhelmingly vote Republican is conjecture on your part.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
34. We are so used to incompetence in law enforcement that mere competence looks like outstanding
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:37 AM
Apr 2013

I have cops in my own family, I was listening to a couple of them at Thanksgiving gathering and it's clear they hate all unions save their own.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
73. #1. I have cops in my family too. And they are/were proud Democrats. #2. Boston is pretty liberal
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:11 PM
Apr 2013
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
19. Perhaps because it's utterly irrelevant to the job done in this particular instance
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:27 AM
Apr 2013

People are congratulating and thanking the police involved in this event, not all law enforcement in all jurisdictions, nor everything even these police do.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
24. I've noticed that as well. That's really pathetic and sad
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:32 AM
Apr 2013

that on a Democratic site; a site that supports Democratic ideals and platforms - and the public unions are part of that - no one has a remark for it. Instead, they attack the OP with snarky comments to hide who they really are.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
48. this is true about police unions since day one.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:21 PM
Apr 2013

they chose 'fraternal order of police' (FOP) instead of calling it a 'union' because of 'anti-union sentiment' according to wikipedia. rather they chose to model on mutual aid societies like the Ancient Free and Accepted Masons (AFAM).. hence the 'fraternal order' and upright pentacle symbol (the 'western star' of AFAM). iow, FOP is little like your Local Union and more like a secret society, both in history of the organization and in its' structure and function.

in albuquerque last year they got in big trouble for paying officers who were suspended after being involved in shooting innocents. basically FOP sent the message.. 'murder someone in broad daylight, and not only will you only get a slap on the wrist, but you can take a few months' PAID vacation and go right back to work'.

incentivizing murder? sure sounded like it to the people of 'burque, who protested in force until FOP stopped the policy.

No Vested Interest

(5,297 posts)
86. Poster is painting with a broad brush
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:33 PM
Apr 2013

After all, this is Massachusetts and the chances are more that the police are Dems are higher there than is most other areas.

Before floating such charges,check to see who the unions endoresed in recent elections. (I don't know the answer, but I wouldn't be throwing out statements without being better informed.)

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
89. The police unions supported Romney I found in a few seconds of teh Google
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:38 PM
Apr 2013
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/02/18/romney-once-supported-police-union-biggest-perk/3y4LyLmNeEn9noPmpcda0L/story.html

But as governor of Massachusetts, Romney fiercely protected a costly and controversial perk for police officers after seeking and receiving the endorsement of the politically influential police unions.

No Vested Interest

(5,297 posts)
124. Please post MA police unions endorsement for President 2012,
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 05:13 PM
Apr 2013

not an old story from Feb. 2012 re Romney as MA governor many years before.

I'm busy today with no time to Google but you may want to press your point.

No Vested Interest

(5,297 posts)
134. Post #89 was your point, but perhaps
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:42 AM
Apr 2013

you are unable or no longer desire to support it, Mr. Sucker.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
135. I already did support my point with evidence, the police unions supported Rmoney.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:06 AM
Apr 2013

You know, Mr .001%.

You either can't or won't provide evidence for your assertion that police unions support Democrats in MA.

In my experience adults who make fun of other's names have no other ammunition so they resort to childish ways.



bigtree

(94,237 posts)
13. well, this is an opportunity for you to put aside your politics for a moment
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:24 AM
Apr 2013

. . . and consider the conduct of these individuals outside of any gratuitous 'brutality' or 'misconduct,' acting in a manner in which they've justifiably earned the gratitude of most Bostonians. They aren't political chess pieces; they are, at once, in valiant solidarity with their community, remarkably human to us.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
74. Well put.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:12 PM
Apr 2013

As a Bostonian, I would just like to bask in the relief of this being over and not having to politicize every single facet of the ordeal.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. You're very ignorant of unions if you think we're traitors to other unions
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:26 AM
Apr 2013

Part of our strength is that we don't cross other union's picket lines.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
30. Police and Firefighter unions are notorious for disrespecting everyone else's right to form a union
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:36 AM
Apr 2013

and they happily back Repukes who give their unions sweet deals and exemptions.

Most police officers I know are registered and voting Republicans. How is it that these people are Republicans when Republicans are against unions {equality} for everyone? Well, it's because they believe themselves to be special and, not only above the law, but above everybody else. The "I got mine, FU" is strong within that privileged community.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
44. That's been my personal experience, too. Once, I had a squad car follow
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:11 PM
Apr 2013

me from the grocery store to my house!

I had just finished shopping one evening and left the parking lot where they were sitting having some refreshment, and then they pulled up behind me and continued to follow me. At first I thought it was just a bit of that police-paranoia everyone gets from time to time, but then, as I took a longer route to get to the house just to see where they'd turn, they didn't and just followed me into our street and directly to my house. When I pulled up in my drive and got out, I looked at them as they parked at the curb in front of the house across from ours. They rolled down the window and they both looked at me and smiled that cocky smile with a look of, "We scared ya didn't we?"

There was NO reason for them to follow me. My insurance and registration are always up-to-date and my vehicle is always kept in tip-top shape. For the life of me, I couldn't fathom why they had followed me.

Well, my son and a good friend of his had briefly worked as a security guards {and was constantly ridiculed by the police} and one day as they visited the station where his friend's uncle and cousin worked for the Glendora police department, they told him that if they are on the verge of not meeting their quota for the month, they go after Asians. Well, I'm Asian and I drive a Toyota Previa {typical Asian van here in SoCal}. And this happened in the last days of the month. Coincidence? Don't think so.

And another example. When my daughter was sixteen, she spent the night at a friend's house. He was gay and lived with his gay partner. Anyway, he had rented a part of his house out to a family who had a party that night. They're Mexican and love to have fiestas, and that was fine by him. Anyway, the neighbors neither liked gays or Mexicans, and they called the police to say that there were drugs on the premises. That was bullshit. I know the boy. He's as opposed to drugs as he is to tobacco. But because these neighbors had the police number on speed-dial, they knew they couldn't complain about the loud music because, A) there wasn't any, and B) cops don't bother with that. So, as my daughter laid herself down to sleep, there was a raid. She was dragged out of the house, handcuffed, and made to sit on the curb. The police came with TWO squad cars and weapons pulled and pointing at her! She and everyone else was tested - no drugs - and she and her friends were tested negative for alcohol. So they were in a dilemma. One officer asked his buddy, "What can we charge them with?" to which his buddy answered, "Curfew violation". Really? They drag my daughter out of bed, out to the curb, and then charge her with breaking curfew??

But that wasn't the end of this nightmare.

When she was brought to the station, they put her with this bitch of a security guard - not even a policewoman, but some low-paid security guard - and she had my daughter strip down to her bra and panties and stand in the cold room for nearly half an hour. Mind you, all this time she was refused to make a call to me, and I was awake. The arrest happened at 10:30 pm and she was held until 5:30 a.m. I was furious. I went to the station to pick her up and they made me wait an additional hour. By the time I came home, it was 7:30 a.m. I immediately called the station and told them that I want all charges dropped and I will be writing the Mayor - a good friend of mine - and the governor for the abuse my daughter had suffered. The charges were dropped and that bitch was fired.

This is the reason why my daughter has found a renewed passion to become an attorney. The attorneys she works with range from criminal justice to corporate attorneys, and the thing is, if you piss off one attorney, he knows how to get you back. She's making sure that she'll never have to be a victim of police abuse of power again.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
63. Good for your daughter.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:54 PM
Apr 2013

If the ACLU has values consistent with hers, she might consider joining either before or after she becomes a member of the bar.

With more and more police abuse and the ongoing disreguard of the Constitition, more attorney volunteers are needed.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
72. Thank you. Yes, the ACLU has values consistent with hers.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:10 PM
Apr 2013

Her bosses are prepping her already to one day become the head of the firm of about six attorneys, that's why they insist that she get her doctorate. And I have no doubt that she will. She hasn't forgotten that episode. In fact, it had gotten to her so badly that she had nightmares years afterward. Anyway, no sense in crying over spilled milk. I told her to use that pain to her benefit.

At the moment, she's taking Accounting classes and already has an A. She's confident that she'll have an A+ when this semester is over. When she passes the bar {and California, apparently, is the most difficult to pass but both of her bosses will help her} and she has her PhD in Political Science, she intends to use it for good. I'll pass this information on to her and see what she says about the ACLU. I would be so proud if she elects to become a volunteer attorney for such a great and noble institution.

Thanks, AM.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
75. Yeah, and some unions support building Walmarts. Teamsters were for drilling in the Arctic
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:13 PM
Apr 2013

I could dig a little and come up with hundreds of cases were particular Unions support legislation that is totally against what a liberal person would want.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
123. Teamsters were looking at $5 a gallon back before 2008. They were worried about the huge job losses
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:39 PM
Apr 2013

plaguing the United States, the insolvency of our social safety net because of it, and families who need the income. Was it a green decision? Nope. But then again, it was a Duhbya economy back in early 2008. Since July 2008 they've changed their minds, no?

In direct contrast, police and firefighter unions continue to support Repukes who don't give a shit about people suffering high gasoline prices or losing 700,000 jobs a month, and they haven't changed a single thing as they target public and private unions while reaping the benefits of a powerful public union themselves - as we've seen in the Walker recall. "We've got ours, FU" has always been their motto and it's never changed. It's because they believe they're special and we're nothing but a bunch of sheep, only useful to provide the wool to line their generous nests until we become inconsequential and useless - and then we can all go to hell. Or die quickly.

Let's keep things in perspective, shall we?

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
64. Every time I've seen a union picket line, I've seen "union" cops escorting scabs across it.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:55 PM
Apr 2013

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
32. How about you address the OP's post instead of attacking the OP?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:37 AM
Apr 2013

Talk about getting over oneself . . .

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
21. You are 100% correct. People tend to put police on a pedestal. Officer friendly mode. n-t
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:30 AM
Apr 2013

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
37. I only did that when my kids were young, to instill respect for police officers.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:42 AM
Apr 2013

But it's kind of hard to continue telling them to do so when they're pulled over because they're young and they drive a brand-new, as the police here in SoCal call it, "Rice-rockets", instead of a "real American car"; when cops humiliate the people they stop, writing tickets for violations that never happened {my daughter and her attorney boss are going to put that cop in his place}, and pulling my son's ex-GF over for "speeding", about 5 miles over the speed limit at the moment when a bright red Dodge Charger comes speeding by, by at least ten miles over the speed limit, if not more, or when they put on their lights ands sirens just so that they don't have to stop at a stop light.

It's very hard.

gopiscrap

(24,723 posts)
51. I didn't even do that...I always told my kids
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:23 PM
Apr 2013

that the pigs are not your friends...yes if you're in an accident or a burglar etc they'll come and help...but they're always looking to find something wrong with you. They immediately percieve everyone as the enemy or a revenue source....cops love to exert their authority and fuck with people.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
65. Maybe I should've done that, too, since now they kind of tell me I was wrong.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:56 PM
Apr 2013

That was pretty embarrassing for me, but that wasn't something I did.

But on the bright side, they do respect authority and they've learned to respect the law because the law is the most powerful weapon for people to protect themselves with.

My son has never broken the law. His driving record is impeccable - he's never had a ticket either for a moving violation or a parking violation. He works hard and tries to show compassion where he can, and his boss loves him.

My daughter is a legal secretary being trained as the Vice President of New Relations for her law firm; a position she will have to fulfill by this time next year and what carries a yearly salary between $75k-$125k - and she's only twenty-one. She has decided to go for her Masters in Law at University of LaVerne {wants to be a corporate tax attorney for the law firm she's working for now and her bosses are paying for her education - until and unless she can get that scholarship}, and then her boss, an excellent attorney himself with a 93% success rate and a 190-IQ, has encouraged her to get her Phd in Political Science.

At least the good remained inside them even though there was plenty of bad that had happened to them that could've discouraged them.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
23. Do you have an alternative?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:31 AM
Apr 2013

Po-Lease have done some seriously messed up stuff all through history.

Unfortunately, so do non-police. We need our police forces to be sympathetic to the rights of everyone. To respect and obey the laws that they enforce. At the same time, there are situations where we need a group of people to be fierce and violent in dealing with individuals who have no respect for the rule of law and the safety of others.

Unfortunately, not many progressives seem to want this job. So we get what we've got.

gopiscrap

(24,723 posts)
26. Thank you I totally agree with you
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:34 AM
Apr 2013

this nation does way too much "pig" worship and one of these days we're gonna find ourselves in a full on police state! Cops are arrogant, agressive and anti constitutional besides usually having an authority complex that extends to life outside the job.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
28. And if they hadn't been there?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:35 AM
Apr 2013

All professions have bad apples.

When people do this I want to ask them their job titles.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
29. Effective political advocacy requires
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:35 AM
Apr 2013

both praising when something is done right and being vigilant and criticizing when things don't go right.

I think you are missing the point entirely. We should point out the professionalism and restraint of the police in this case precisely because we have had so many examples (even quite recently) of police forces behaving very differently.

Holding the police effort here up in public is very important because it stands in such contrast to other LE efforts. We want everyone to notice the contrast and desire their local police to emulate this behavior.

Consider the amazing contrast between the cop-killer out in CA and this case, or MOVE, or the WACO attack. If the police in the Boston area had been following that mode, they would have practically dropped bunker busters down on the boat, burned down a few city blocks, and obviously never have taken Tsarnaev into custody.

The police and other agencies involved here deserve high praise because of what they did. If we do not praise their behavior, we are implicitly saying that we don't see the difference between this effort to find a very dangerous person and the recent cop-killer vengeance case in CA, for example.

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
38. To tangentially mimic the sentiments of our Far Right Hyper-patriot counterparts:
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:42 AM
Apr 2013

"GOD BLESS OUR PUBLIC SECTOR WORKERS!!1!!"

(please insert obligatory American Eagle picture here)

Starry Messenger

(32,381 posts)
39. Yes, because private mercenaries like Blackwater would have been just the ticket.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:49 AM
Apr 2013

There are non-union police forces in the US. They ain't pretty. Reactionary the police unions may be, but not having a union would hardly improve them.

C'mon, think this through. Republicans would also love to take away public policing and let neighborhoods protect themselves with private armed guards. What could possibly go wrong?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
41. So why the need to tell us how you feel? The cops risked their lives to capture this guy and
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:04 PM
Apr 2013

in so doing most likely prevented other deaths. That deserves some gratitude. I don't give a shit how you feel about it. Nor does anyone else I'll bet.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
59. "I am all for civil liberties, but have no issue with cameras everywhere!"
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:39 PM
Apr 2013

Speaking of "naively" (what?)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022687178

Let's add "100000" surveillance drones and have a crime-solving fest!

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
96. Wow, you are so clueless. You get it that camera in public are 100% legal. Always have been.....
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:02 PM
Apr 2013

You have no right to privacy in public. They are not intrusive. I can tape anyone in public and there is nothing they can do about.

And then, when some idiot commits a crime. You might have a video. If not, no one is harmed.

And when did I say drones?

You are really stretching on this one. Don't you have some Obama isn't perfect posts to attack?

Only you would equate public cameras to police questioning a suspect.

I added the stupid icons for you!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
107. "Wow, you are so clueless."
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:38 PM
Apr 2013

"Naively" so?

"You get it that camera in public are 100% legal. Always have been....."

Drones are "legal" too.

BTW, after that OP, you should refrain from calling anyone "clueless," let alone laughing at the lameness of your post.

"You are really stretching on this one. Don't you have some Obama isn't perfect posts to attack? "

May I suggest you stick to PMs, less embarrassing that posting nonsense in public.




 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
111. LOL, PMs to you become public because one of them seems like "stalking" to you. You have been....
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:47 PM
Apr 2013

sort of getting an ass kicking lately. The Chained CPI sort of exposed you. Which was good.



ProSense

(116,464 posts)
114. Yes, and clearly you're proud of "stalking."
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:51 PM
Apr 2013

"You have been sort of getting an ass kicking lately. The Chained CPI sort of exposed you. Which was good."

Wow, you must be in heaven celebrating the nonsensical shit you make up in your own head.



 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
116. You must be in heaven embracing your denial. Go back to something you know......
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:54 PM
Apr 2013

defending any possible complaint about Obama.

And at some point open up and tell us your motive. We all want to know.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
118. LOL!
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:59 PM
Apr 2013

"Go back to something you know......defending any possible complaint about Obama.

And at some point open up and tell us your motive. We all want to know."

Obsessed much?




 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
119. Not at all. You have said that many times. Like you are the center of the DU and I only respond....
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:02 PM
Apr 2013

to your posts. Sorry, not true.

See, you responded to my post to start this thread. LOL, and now I am obsessed with you?

You seem like a stalker to me.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
136. exposed a whole lot
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:34 AM
Apr 2013

of them
they have become a silent minority and du is better for it

jimlup

(8,010 posts)
43. Strongly agree! Let's keep our heads.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:11 PM
Apr 2013

Put events in context and give proper time to evaluate.

I wish people would stop just reacting to the emotions of the moment. We don't yet know how all of this will play out. Just calm down and be happy that a criminal has been caught but ask yourself: Do we now live in a surveillance state sort of like the one portrayed on the popular TV show "Person of Interest"?

Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
47. I am no fan of the BPD or any police dept.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:17 PM
Apr 2013

I agree on the union points too. I do think they did good work this week.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
110. "We were all waiting for your opinion now I can go wipe my ass with it" Damn...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:45 PM
Apr 2013

That's really abusive.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
112. wow, wonderful counter to his post, very detailed. Wipe your ass with your response first. n-t
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:48 PM
Apr 2013

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
56. DU -- it never disappoints.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:30 PM
Apr 2013

Honestly, there are times when I think this site should trademark that phrase.

They did their jobs. To bring up anything else other than that right now is bullshit.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
60. i was curious about this so i did some surfing..
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:39 PM
Apr 2013

..and found this revealing tidbit in a cop forum..

I am generally not in favor of unions except in jobs such as police work. I do not however believe that the sacker at a local grocery store needs a union.

By the way, I was conservative long before I decided to become a cop.


the poster was *not* the only cop expressing that sentiment. cops and firefighters unions are fine, but the rest of the 'takers' should suck it up. they look on the people they are supposed to 'protect and serve' as less than human. as leaches on society.

i would guess it was their conservative attitude that drew them to police work because *that's cop culture*.

http://forums.officer.com/t91071/#post1239281

matt819

(10,749 posts)
67. Is this attitude any better?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:00 PM
Apr 2013

Okay, so you abhor "mass worship" of the Boston Police.

Is your approach any better, mass condemnation?

Sure, we've seen innumerable instances of police misconduct on posts here for years. Fine. And, though I don't recall specific instances, there probably have been similar reports of such misconduct by the BPD. Again, fine.

In this incident, though, numerous law enforcement agencies came together in what appeared to be a model of massive task force cooperation and accomplished their goal without resorting to misconduct, brutality, etc. From this outsider's perspective, all of the interaction with the public was with respect, cooperation, and everyone's best interests. Yes, one police officer was killed, and about a dozen other injured. This is definitely tragic, and, what's always remarkable about police officers and first responders generally, they know this going into their jobs, and that commitment should be acknowledged, at least, if not admired.

In short, notwithstanding the contempt demonstrated in the OP, in this instance there were no such indications of this behavior.

Of course, now all the Monday morning quarterbacking has begun. And that's okay, too. I have my own questions, but I'm not a cop, I wasn't involved, and I certainly wasn't on the ground in Boston. I hope that my questions are answered. But I think we should hold off on the wholesale condemnation, perhaps along with the wholesale worship.

Omaha Steve

(109,168 posts)
69. The sons a bitches
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:04 PM
Apr 2013

The nerve of them to chase somebody throwing bombs and shooting at them right after they killed another officer.

No "R" from me.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
78. They are human beings and public servants. Don't call the police next time you need them.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:19 PM
Apr 2013
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
80. We should thank them for doing their job that they get paid for ...uhmm
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:19 PM
Apr 2013

thank them for doing their job? ...because they did the job? ...for a change? George Carlin would have fun with that one.

My thanks goes out to all those who did what they did because of their compassion and empathy.

octothorpe

(962 posts)
88. It's the same reason why I'd thank firefighters who save a burning home at
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:36 PM
Apr 2013

risk of their own life. That being said, I found the weird chanting of "USA USA USA" to be a bit odd. This wasn't a fucking Olympic match.

 

FreeBC

(403 posts)
84. I agree. Cops will be fine with being the last union.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:28 PM
Apr 2013

As they handle the security for killing off all the other unions.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
85. Wow
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:32 PM
Apr 2013

On the greatest threat in no time at all. Its sad. Less then 24 before there is a thread bashing the cops. Sadly its not surprising.

msongs

(73,726 posts)
87. uh oh you are criticizing the hysteria and blood lust prevalent here a few days ago lol nt
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:35 PM
Apr 2013

PennsylvaniaMatt

(966 posts)
90. Suffolk County MA went for President Obama...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:47 PM
Apr 2013

78% to Romney's 21%...I'd be willing to bet that a large number of first responders on the scene voted for Obama, so that is something to keep in mind before making a broad generalization.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
91. Saints are above criticism, cops are not. But some here seem to believe to the contrary. Why?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:50 PM
Apr 2013

Because they their job which they were were hired to perform?

So they did their job? Good for them. If it is a rare event for them to do their job, perhaps we should congratulate them. Maybe that is why some are doing so. Maybe some DUers are not worshiping the Boston cops but simply publicly expressing their gratitude that the cops did their jobs. But some DUers seem to want more. And even want to suppress speech.

Cops are needed to respect and enforce the law. Cops who respect the law should disapprove of cops who who use unnecessary and excessive force in an unconstitutional way to suppress free speech. But how often is there such disapproval?

A one-time event in which the cops did the jobs that they were hired to perform should not cause any of us to have amnesia.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
92. Imagine the LA police conducting this manhunt.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:56 PM
Apr 2013

Oh, you don't have to. Just remember when they did have a manhunt like this four months ago? Aren't you relieved those clowns weren't in charge?

Maybe it's too much gratitude for low expectations, but the people of Boston have a right to take pride that their police force was professional.

Calling it worship might be true of some people, untrue of many others.

rightsideout

(978 posts)
98. If the LA cops handled this they would be sifting through the ashes trying to identify the body
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:04 PM
Apr 2013

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
97. They don't get my praise
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:03 PM
Apr 2013

They are pricks most of the time, why should I give them an atta boy for doing their fucking job.
In Montana they sure as fuck vote Republican. And they are sooo brave just last week the cop tazed the 77 year old veteran with dementia who wandered away from the rest home and he died. Boston was a lot of show and hype for the cops.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
103. Yeh, but anyway, that was some awesome impressive skill and teamwork displayed
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:15 PM
Apr 2013

in bringing in alive that nasty little fella who killed and maimed allegedly killed and maimed all those nice people and broke the hearts of countless friends and families of those nice people.

I believe in giving credit where credit is due, and the Boston cops kicked ass in their humane execution of procedure.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
104. Your broadbrush is astonishingly thin gruel.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:19 PM
Apr 2013


A person who is suspected of having attempted mass murder and killing a young police officer in cold blood is hunted with patience and brought in alive.

The Police are happy that he is alive, and will get a trial.

The people cheered a live capture.

If you don't understand how far that is from just a few decades ago then your history is as thin as your grasp on the present.

And to top if off the standard almost required DU strawman equating congratulations on a job well done with 'worship'.

rightsideout

(978 posts)
105. Here's a thought
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:23 PM
Apr 2013

It was a collaborative effort. FBI, ATF and local law enforcement. They worked together. So if you hate the Boston Police you can spread some of the love in other directions.

And they didn't destroy the boat. At least to the point of leaving it a smoldering mess.

But I understand you about the cops. I'm more scared of the cops than the criminals. I have two that live behind me and both have big tempers and are ego maniacs. My dealings with the local police have not been pleasant. You're going about your business then walk into a situation and they yell at you like you're a little kid.

It happened to me last month when I tried to pick up my kid from school for a doctors appt. The cop comes barging out the front door and yelling "What are you doing here??!!!!!!!" I'm like, WTF? "The school is in lock down. Get out of here." I yelled back, "You don't have to yell at me about it." Jerks.

So yea, I think they are jerks. Of course, the holier than thou people on here will stick up for them. I think people packing heat (both cops and gun nuts) get a hard on from the power. Yea, yea, the holier than thou people will say, they are there for your protection. Whatever. Just don't look like someone they are after, you'll be in big trouble. So yea, the cops scare me.

zeeland

(247 posts)
126. I agree. The Seattle police have been under
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:17 PM
Apr 2013

Federal Investigation. The Chief of Police just resigned which hopefully
will make a difference. The treatment of minority citizens is a shameful
stain on a city that embraces diversity. Police here make six figures and
live far better than the majority of citizens they "serve and protect."

The situation in WI. last year made a clear statement that the police
unions will never suffer what other unions do. They are safe and
protected by the 1 % because the 1% will always need them to do their bidding.
They are not Democrats and their rage towards the common man was all
to evident in NY during the Occupy riots.

tritsofme

(19,895 posts)
108. I think it is pathetic that praise of police officers drives you to make an OP like this.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:40 PM
Apr 2013

The Boston police did tremendous work through this crisis, as they do every day.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
109. Well said, it's worse than it was during the criminal Bush years
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:44 PM
Apr 2013

I've been noticing it for the last several years, people just repeat all the propaganda they hear, just like all the Faux news war mongers did during the Bush years.

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
117. You're right except . . .
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:58 PM
Apr 2013

. . . they did stop the danger to the public they are sworn to serve.

However unintended, it did look like a rehearsal for a military state: lockdown, more lockdown, fear, house to house searches, shootouts and bombings, all bolstered by a rabid Internet public clamoring for news, arrest, drama and death. One friend's cousin had his car stopped by two blackshirts with rifles, one of which was lodged on this guy's temple while he was interrogated for the crime of being swarthy. But no worries, the perps were killed or caught, sorry for the inconvenience, it's all over now.




 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
120. I won't either. I will however compliment ALL law enforcement agencies involved and thank them
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:04 PM
Apr 2013

for a job well done.

They found two needles in a haystack. They're fucking awesome.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
128. I am the first to point out...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:26 PM
Apr 2013

when cops fuck up. It is not worship when I acknowledge the good work Boston cops did here.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
129. then dont. and do not be so insulting to say a cheer and pat on back is fuckin worshipping. really
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:28 PM
Apr 2013

assholish

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
130. Cops do good. Cops do bad.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:31 PM
Apr 2013

They are public officials.

They need to be called out on the good and the bad.

I'm sorry you cannot differentiate this very elementary concept.

JI7

(93,586 posts)
131. this just comes off as one of those "need to show i'm still a rebel, superior" or whatever
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:33 PM
Apr 2013

the fuck type thing.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
137. "worship"?? How about a slap on the back for a job well done.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:40 AM
Apr 2013

Thats not worship.. but you knew that.

LostOne4Ever

(9,752 posts)
138. Then instead of worshiping them
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:57 AM
Apr 2013

Then instead joining in, why don't you use your energy to try and bring attention to the victims of the bombing. I'm sure they could use all the support that they can get right now.

But criticizing the police after they took down the culprits wont result in anything positive for anyone at the current time.

I personally applaud them for doing a good job, and my thoughts are with the victims.

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