I'm new but there seems to be a lot of firearm threads , to all gun owners on the site

[newmember]

I want to state that I support your right to own firearms.

Can't gun owners themselves come together and support common sense laws?
Get rid of handgun ownership since most firearm crimes are committed with handguns.

If a person wanted to own a handgun there could be state owned ranges where the gun would have to be kept.
Limit ownership of rifles that fire one bullet at a time , each time to fire a bullet you would have to pull
the handle back .


This way people could still hunt or target shoot and it wouldn't restrict their hobby.

Does this sound too draconian to the gun owners here?

[marions ghost]

1. have a good one

[newmember]

3. I'm not sure what that means but it did make me laugh

[Indiana]

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Hope you're not like Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy. She proposed legislation that would restrict barrel shrouds. She doesn't even know the meaning of a barrel shroud or what it looks like. She was asked about it and said it's "the shoulder thing that goes up."

[leveymg]

2. You're projecting your own rationality onto those who frighten and perplex you.

You'll have to accept that some part of this community is not reasonable. But who is?

Welcome to DU.

[newmember]

10. thank for the welcome

Gun owners don't frighten me it's seems it would be easier if they themselves would support
laws that won't restrict the ownership of guns. Only laws that would just restrict ownership of certain types of firearms.
M16 , AK47 machine guns.

[Duckhunter935]

12. Already are heavily restricted

[newmember]

15. Two people just had one in a restaurant, there's a thread about it right now

[Duckhunter935]

20. those require

a class III FFL, an FBI, local law enforcement background check and a 200 dollar tax stamp per weapon. An M16 and AK-47 are fully automatic machine guns and are very expensive. I think you may mean the civilian version which is a semi-automatic rifle the same as any semi-automatic rifle made in the last 100 or so years.

[Llewlladdwr]

21. The gun used in this incident ...

...was neither an AK-47 nor a machine gun.

It was a semi-automatic rifle based on the AK-47 design, as are many, many other semi-automatics.

I know many anti-gun people don't think this matters, but I refuse to trust someone who is willfully ignorant of the topic they're attempting to pontificate on.

[99Forever]

41. Reality check.

Now, bubba, before you go there, what I am about to ask is called a rhetorical question. Should you not understand the meaning and purpose of a rhetorical question, stop here and find out.

Now, considering the above, think about this:

Do you really think someone with a fucking semi-automatic killing machine aimed at them gives one shit about your petty, lame, asinine distinctions without a difference, NRA, bullshit talking points.

As I said above, that was a rhetorical question, so, if you aren't a complete idiot, you will understand why I will neither read nor reply to you if you answer this post.

Go hug your guns.

Gun culture is a mental illness.

[Indiana]

66. .

If it doesn't make any difference, then why do gun control advocates suggest banning the scary looking firearms?

[99Forever]

67. Nice NRA strawman you've got there.

I suggest you take that up with "gun control advocates suggest banning the scary looking firearms." I know no such people.

[madville]

4. I believe we all have a right to self defense

Handguns are the best option for self defense and unfortunately account for about 90% of all firearms deaths in the US. Limiting rifles and shotguns, not much impact, handguns are where the danger and effectiveness are at.

[Fumesucker]

5. You aren't really conversant with firearms I suspect

Or maybe you're sandbagging us, it's hard to tell.

State owned ranges? Oh, that would go over well with the libertarian set.

Good luck with your thread and welcome to DU.

[newmember]

13. There are state run liquor stores

The gun ranges could be state run and paid by the gun owners that wish to shoot there.
Plus there could be safe storage of all handguns .

[Fumesucker]

14. I don't think I've ever heard of 21st Amendment Absolut ists

Trust me, there's a big chunk of the gun owning public who would never, ever go for that if you damn paid *them* to keep their guns there.

I'm not all that thrilled with state run liquor stores myself, not sure the state should be in the business of selling addictive recreational drugs.

[Marengo]

48. Are you required to store the alcohol in the state store when not drinking?

And, permitted to drink only on the premises of the state store?

[JaneyVee]

6. Getting rid of handgun ownership would require getting rid of gun manufacturers.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

8. Actually I think there are a few that are long gun only

[Skittles]

18. are you for real?

[JaneyVee]

23. I'm responding to the OP, the only way to get rid of handguns would be to close gun makers.

I guess eventually in maybe 30 years they would phase out, maybe not. I'm not even saying this would be possible, and it isn't going to happen because the 2nd Amendment will always be.

[Skittles]

32. who exactly is advocating "getting rid of handguns"?

[JaneyVee]

34. Uh...the OP, which is who I was responding to in the first place.

[Skittles]

36. it's called gun CONTROL

the idea being not every asshole who wants one can easily get one

and be wary of new members!

[JaneyVee]

43. You asked if I was "for real".

[Skittles]

55. jury is still out

[JaneyVee]

71. You make no sense. Thanks for wasting my time.

[Apophis]

7. Have all the bridges collapsed?

[piedmont]

9. LOL

"Does this sound too draconian to the gun owners here? "

Good luck with those confiscations.

[newmember]

35. No sir not confiscation,

There would be a long enough grace period to implement the necessary changes
to all firearm styles.

Stop manufacturing automatic firearms and have each state adopt state run ranges.

[JaneyVee]

45. Automatic firearms ARE banned.

[Pelican]

49. Are you talking about handguns or automatic weapons?

The two do mix, but rarely in everyday society.

[bluedigger]

11. To answer your two questions...

No, and yes.

Welcome to DU.

[Llewlladdwr]

16. Yes, this sounds much too draconian for me.

While I appreciate your politeness (something sadly lacking around DU these days) there's no way that I as a gun owner would consider any of the proposals you have put forward here as common sense nor acceptable. For example, the primary purpose of my handgun is home defense. If it's not at my house it isn't going to do me any good, therefore I'm going to oppose *any* effort to limit my access to my own firearm by forcing me to store it offsite from my house. That seems common sense to me.

[newmember]

22. It would only be handguns stored at a range

Your rifle would be at home with no restriction placed .
Maybe I didn't think this through entirely but it was just an idea to try and limit
gun violence in our country.

[JaneyVee]

25. Gun violence will never be eradicated in this country. The most we can wish for is LESS gun deaths.

Which we can do by passing common sense gun laws. Universal background checks, assault weapons ban, ban high capacity clips.

[newmember]

27. It doesn't make sense that any law abiding gun owner would oppose anything what you wrote.

[JaneyVee]

28. The NRA does.

[Llewlladdwr]

31. Of course it does newmember.

Let me give you an example. I'm a middle class white male in his 50's. I don't associate with criminals or engage in risky, illegal behavior. As a result my odds of being the victim of gun violence are miniscule. So you're asking me to accept pretty severe restrictions on my 2nd Amendment rights in return for a very small benefit to myself. Do you see how a reasonable person might resist such a thing?

[newmember]

37. What restriction?

A rifle or shotgun could be kept in the home.

[Llewlladdwr]

50. Okay, let's start there.

How many rifles or shotguns would I be allowed to have in my home? Currently, I can pretty much have as many as I want. Would you restrict that?

How many rounds of ammunition can my firearms hold? Curently, I can get as big a magazine as I want and is available, at least for non-hunting purposes. Would you restict that?

Those are just two of the changes you seem to be proposing to Federal firearms laws. Both are restrictions of what I can currently do.

[newmember]

58. "Would you restrict that"

I'm not going to restrict anything.

It was just a few ideas that seemed like it would significantly reduce the gun violence
in our country. I mentioned common sense laws.

Just your own personal opinion .
Do you think we need any more new gun laws?
Do you feel the country is heading in the right direction with 12000 gun deaths a year?

[Llewlladdwr]

60. My personal opinion?

No, I do not think we need any new Federal firearms laws.

Yes, since the number of murders committed with guns is already declining, and has been for a couple of decades now, I feel we're already headed in the right direction.

That's my opinion, which I think is pretty reasonable.

[Pelican]

51. The restriction...

... of having to give my private property, all of my handguns, to the government.

That's a pretty big restriction.

[Duckhunter935]

33. well

The devil is in the details. WHAT is an assault weapon? Pleases define it for me without using cosmetic features. WHAT is a high capacity clip? I guess high capacity magazines are OK. WHAT defines high capacity?

[newmember]

46. I didn't say anything about clips but have rifles that fire like this, or a shotgun in your home

[Llewlladdwr]

54. The Winchester Model 70 has an internal spring fed ammunition well...

...which holds three to five rounds depending on caliber.

[newmember]

59. That's the firearm I described in my original post

Each time you want to fire a bullet you would have to pull the handle back.

[Llewlladdwr]

61. So the fact that the weapon holds three to five rounds is okay?

Would you be willing to allow a lever-action rifle such as a Winchester Model 1894 which holds seven rounds in a tube magazine mounted under the barrel? It requires you to work the lever before each shot.

[Llewlladdwr]

29. No restrictions?

I thought you wanted to limit it to single-shot? That's a pretty big restriction.

I don't mean to be harsh, but it's clear that you haven't thought this out. That seems to be the case with many who are espousing gun control. And if you haven't bothered to think through your ideas, why should we take them seriously?

[Duckhunter935]

17. Since you are new here

hello, there have been many here that have put forward common sense ideas but are normally dismissed and called NRA shills. I think your handgun and range issues overstep. Allowing a citizen to use the NICS system or allowing them to go through a dealer for a very nominal fee. I think a graduated license would be one way to go. Show proficiency and have training on a type of weapon and you can buy it. Limit magazine size to what fits in a hand grip and 15-20 rounds for a long gun. Do not ban guns on features or looks but on the operating principle. If you want to ban semi-automatics just say so and quit trying to do it by a set of features.

[Skittles]

19. cowards do not understand common sense

their fear overrides logic

[graham4anything]

24. Who fears? The gun owner that sleeps with a gun/bullet under the pillow, in fear of boogiemen?

the only good gun compromise is 100% zero guns in the street or in anything accessed by the street.

[spanone]

26. ...

[newmember]

30. I support gun rights

I was talking about certain types and limiting the automatic ones .
You would still own and keep a rifle in your home for self defense , hunting , target shooting..

Even handgun ownership would be legal but have them stored
under lock and key at state run gun ranges.

[Duckhunter935]

39. As I stated before

the automatic ones are already severely limited and very expensive. I already have to drive an hour away for a range, am I going to get a state owned range in my small town out here. That part will not fly with me. I am trained and licensed, been though many background checks and you do not trust me because some people are idiots. Lets look at mental health and the gang and drug war. That would help more than some the things you want to do that will never happen due to the 2nd amendment and the USSC and Heller.

[Skittles]

40. yup

is it me or are they getting less imaginative?

[Lasher]

62. Reply #1 sums it up nicely.

[Skittles]

65. OMG

[sylvi]

38. "Can't gun owners themselves come together and support common sense laws?"

"Common sense laws" is codespeak for, "Why can't you just shut up and agree with my opinions on what's right?"

[pinboy3niner]

42. Like those who insist that ANY legislation/regulation is an intolerable assault...

...on RKBA? People who live in glass houses...

[sylvi]

52. Well, we already have thousands upon thousands

of federal, state and local regulations on the books regarding the purchase, possession and use of firearms, so the question of tolerating ANY legislation is pretty much moot. That horse left the barn decades ago. All that is left now is how many MORE regulations pro-2A folks are willing to tolerate before they render that part of the Constitution meaningless.

[pinboy3niner]

53. No, the question is how many more firearm casualties are we, as a society, willing to tolerate?

[sylvi]

57. Both questions are valid, I think.

They are the same questions we ask regarding any human endeavor or freedom that entails risk.

[Skip Intro]

44. As soon as you get the gangs and the criminals to do that, let me know. nt

[baldguy]

47. The current paradigm is the result of gun owners writing our gun laws.

They have failed miserably.

[kudzu22]

56. If I support common sense laws

can we repeal all the idiotic ones?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

64. You have waded into one of the muckiest topics on DU.

You are one brave soul! Many of we old timers get nervous as to wade in!

Welcome to DU!

[lunatica]

68. Your post is normally considered flame bait

Welcome to DU

[dems_rightnow]

70. And they can buy one bullet at a time.

With a simple little form to fill out describing what happened to the last bullet.

Common sense!

FYI- I don't think you're real at all.