So these two did this on their own

[nadinbrzezinski]

And got the instructions from the web.

Yup, the furiegner terrarist falls apart.

That said, why do McCain and Graham hate the Constitution?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/simple-boston-bomb-plot-hatched-foreign-authorities/t/story?id=19019428&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Among many

[msongs]

1. pretty much a local crime that has been blown into national hysteria it seems..

though certainly extremely bad for those involved. the media, which needs fodder, will be riding this for weeks.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Well. It is local,

But this is not national, due to target...it was quite international

[DesertFlower]

2. i don't believe them. i think there's

more to it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. The court does

And so it seems, the intel people.

[dkf]

16. Bob Baer thinks they must have had more training.

And I think it is significant that most bombings fail yet this one worked twice so I am skeptical it was only from the Internet.

Lastly, I wonder how much Dzhokhar knew about what Tamerlan learned or did on his trip.

This is just a gut feeling but I wonder if Tamarlan went to Dagestan or Chechnya and learned tactics in order to fight there or if he implied as such in order to get the training. I don't think the Dagestanis or Chechens would deliberately want the US and Russia to be working together against them.

Politically this seems very stupid on Tamerlan's part.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. You mean the bob Baer who is part of neocon central

And wanted Hussein deposed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baer

I guess he's not happy Iran ain't behind this.

[cui bono]

34. Neocon? Everything I've ever heard about Baer has been good as far as I can

remember.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Read the wiki entry

I did not make this one

[cui bono]

40. Well, he's ex-cia, but I've heard him interviewed and would never consider his views

neocon views.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. I have as well

Just saying, like Larry Johnson I always wonder what is the game?

[Mariana]

8. It's hard to believe they managed to

obliterate every speck of evidence that others were involved, if that was the case. They don't seem to have covered their tracks much at all. Really, it's just not that hard to make a bomb.

At any rate, I'm sure the investigators aren't simply taking his word for it. Even if they believe he's telling the truth, I expect they'll still examine everything thoroughly for signs of others being involved.

[reformist2]

14. There may be others in the area - I can't help but notice they made a beeline for Watertown...

...which has a pretty significant Arab/Muslim community. Maybe they had hopes of hiding out?

[KittyWampus]

3. Republicans emulate Communist China and the former Soviet Union

that's what they really want.

Authoritarian states with one party rule. No regulations. Cronyism with no regard to competence or merit.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Yup

And a good dose of fear.

[KittyWampus]

7. and the problem with one party rule is > eventually members of the party start turning

on each other.

I meant, the problem in terms of how NeoCons would approach their ideal. Ultimately it would bite them in the ass.

[treestar]

9. Republicans are always up for war, any excuse

They don't even have to wait for evidence.

[cynatnite]

10. I think I would need more than his word alone...

before I could be convinced they acted alone.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. I think the cops are doing a good job

But that is just me.

[cynatnite]

15. I don't doubt they're doing an exceptional job...

I just don't think anyone has enough information to take his word alone on this.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. I doubt they did

That said, I expect theories to emerge...they always do

[longship]

25. Well, you're presuming that LE is only taking his word.

That would be what could be called a false presumption. They have, by this time, a huge amount of forensic evidence, plus have investigated these guys every way possible. Plus, they've not stopped doing that, nor will they.

From what I've seen, they already have an iron clad case against this guy. The deposition from the FBI was pretty damned good. They don't need white hat dude's testimony to put him away. Miranda is and always was moot in this case.

But they will continue to follow every trail, I assure you.

[Mariana]

56. I'm sure the investigators are diligently searching

for any scrap of evidence that there was anyone else involved.

[reformist2]

11. There could be others in the Boston area they didn't want to rat out.

[onehandle]

12. Right. No terror cell. Just another Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

Now where did they get their guns, Mr. LaPierre?

[Common Sense Party]

18. Not buying it. What, the kid types that they acted alone, and that seals it for you?

Sorry. He's not a credible source. A lot more investigation must be done before ANYONE can credibly say that they "did this on their own."

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. You think the cops are not doing that work?

And you think they just took his word?

Ok...

[Common Sense Party]

22. Operative word: doING.

The investigation is FAR from over.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. But they would not release that

If they have not checked this already.

[Common Sense Party]

31. Everything I have seen indicates that the KID SAYS that they acted alone.

I have yet to see a credible, definitive statement from any LEO involved in the investigation where the FBI says the two acted alone.

Have you?

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Again, they would not release that

Otherwise.

What do you think the public safety exception was about? A game of chess?

[Common Sense Party]

41. Please don't try to change the subject. YOU said in the OP that these two acted alone.

Why do you say that? Just because THE KID says that?

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Slowly now, the authorities would not release this

If it was not checked already.

I know English is not my native tongue, so let's try in Spanish

Las autoridades policiacas checaron esta informacion antes de sacarla.

It was the authorities who released this, not a PR agency.

[Common Sense Party]

46. Las autoridades pueden compartir con la prensa lo que quieren

y hasta ahora, solamenta han compartido lo que en jóven ha dicho. Ésto no significa que las autoridades están de acuerdo. TODAVIA NO SABEN. Hay mucho más que hacer.

When the FBI SAYS that the two acted alone, then we can say they acted alone. Just because they press gets wind that THE KID SAID they acted alone DOES NOT MEAN that the authorities have investigated every single connection, every single computer and phone record, every single overseas trip. The kid has only been in custody three days.

You CANNOT credibly say that the two brothers "did this alone."

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Perhaps we are talking across each other

But I guess the FBI was the press agency today.

Have a good day.

[Common Sense Party]

48. Perhaps we are. I do not know where the disconnect would be.

In English or in Spanish.

You say that the two acted alone, because the kid says they acted alone, and the authorities would not allow that to be leaked if they did not believe it.

I say, there is NO WAY the FBI can know yet--only 3 days into an investigation--that they acted alone, and that the FBI has not yet said that the two acted alone. When the FBI says they have investigated every possible lead and they are sure the Tsar brothers got no help from anyone, THEN we can say that they acted alone.

Leaks happen. The powers that be cannot prevent all leaks. Surely as a journalist, you know and believe--and live on--that.

You can believe the two acted alone if you like.

I will wait until the investigation is finished.

[DevonRex]

23. All this means is that Al Qaeda did not fund them, instruct them, etc.

Obviously, since they had to rob a damned ATM with the hijacked guy's credit card.

[Common Sense Party]

24. Al Qaeda is in disarray and is no longer a centrally-run organization.

Funding cells is a thing of the past.

Instructing and inspiring...how can you say for sure that did not happen? Where was Tam when he went to Russia a couple years ago?

[DevonRex]

50. Honestly, what was put out has no real

meaning. It's just an answer to those who wanted the surviving brother to be tried in a military tribunal. One of the criteria is that they be working for a foreign cell or group. Another is that they be a non-citizen but that doesn't seem to phase people like Lindsay Graham. So, this was put out to shut Lindsay the fuck up about tribunals.

Our side is supposed to be smart enough to know investigation is ongoing. What, you think they're so stupid they just take a terrorist's word for it - a terrorist who actually has murdered Americans right here in front of our eyes?

This is an announcement to all his little "friends" in Boston and elsewhere that they can relax because the government isn't looking for anybody else. Okay? I buried this way at the end on purpose so don't go putting it in a headline.

[Skip Intro]

21. And Canada just foils an Al Qeada plot to bomb a train?

Hell of a coincidence.

[longship]

27. Post hoc fallacy.

Coincidences happen all the time.

But I am sure that they're working along those lines as well, which I am sure you'd do as well.

[Skip Intro]

28. Again, Hell of a coincidence. nt

[longship]

33. Sometimes shit happens.

Correlation does not imply causation. It's simple, really.

But if you think that they're not looking into it... Well, I don't know what to think.

It's gonna be fine. I am sure they ARE looking into it.

[Skip Intro]

39. Sometimes shit is planned.

When is the last time a terrorist bombing happened here followed so closely by one that was thwarted? Kinda rare, here, anyway, isn't it?

If the Boston bombing and the thwarted train bombing aren't connected, it would be a new and extremely unlikely coincidence.

That is if you believe all that you've been told by "them."

Far more likely, in any estimation I can fathom, that the two were related.

These may not be the only incidents, and such incidents may not be over.

[longship]

43. I guess we'll leave it all up to you, then.

The FBI and the law enforcement people working this case? What do they know?

Please inform DUers after you inform the law enforcement on your findings, when you solve everything. And make sure you remind the FBI of the incredible coincidence that you've discovered.

[Skip Intro]

49. Ah, common response, sadly.

Anyone that dares question what they're being told are ridiculed.

That happens fairly regularly. A bit more than a coincidence. But whatever.

I wish I could say I respected your blind faith, but I just don't.

That's what got us the Patriot Act. That's what got us the FISA bs. That's what got us Gitmo.

That's what's about to get us CISPA.

Yet you baa, "I hear and believe, I hear and I obey."

Yeah, knock yourself out with that.

[longship]

52. No, you seem to have it all together. Touché.

Please proceed.

On edit: I mean other than the fact that I never wrote that I believed anything white hat guy said. Read my posts again.

This is an ongoing investigation and I am sure that the investigation team is already on top of things. I'll even bet that they knew about the Canada deal before you did.

So what's your beef here?

Let events unfold before you get your knickers in a bunch.

Thanks.

[Nye Bevan]

26. Well, if he said it, I suppose it must be true.

A stand-up guy like that would never tell a lie.

[Common Sense Party]

32. No, never. We should take him at his word.

Some here apparently have.

[jakeXT]

54. I doubt he said anything with his throat injury

Reminds me of KSM, they love their stuff on paper.

http://www.defense.gov/news/transcript_isn10024.pdf

[rdharma]

30. why do McCain and Graham hate the Constitution?

Grandpa McCain can't chase the kids off his lawn. And .....OH, MY STARS! Senator Graham's "feinting couch" is not available to him at the moment.

[Heather MC]

37. There are still a lot if unanswered questions

what did they do for living?

Where did they get the money for bomb making material?

Where did they get the guns?
Who paid for them?

That's all I got

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. I am sure they are working on it

But dad and mom might be part of the answer...

[Heather MC]

45. A family that shares in terroristic activities together, stays together

[Bobbyboozhay66]

51. the wife was involved

the wife was involved

[BainsBane]

58. What wife?

They weren't married. If you have evidence, you should contact the FBI. Otherwise it looks to me like you're blowing smoke.

[OKNancy]

59. I disagree with this one-post wonder about the wife, but

the elder brother was married. It's been all over the news.

[BainsBane]

60. really? That's what I get for having a migraine

and not watching TV for the past several days.

[TeamPooka]

65. got any facts or news reports to back up that claim? nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

53. They have their playbook from the Bush Years...

They don't have the BRAINS to come up with a new one.

[jakeXT]

55. Never change a winning team /nt

[Xithras]

57. I find it odd that so many don't believe they could have pulled it off on their own.

Some of you should spend a bit of time on Tor. Specifically, use the Hidden Wiki to jump into some of the Darknet asymmetric warfare sites. You can find sites with step by step instructions on building just about any kind of bomb you want, complete with shopping lists for the parts you'll need and information on the retailers who can supply them to you. And we're not talking about the fake disinfo crap you find on the WWW either. Most of it is the real deal.

It doesn't take a lot of skill or money to do a LOT of damage. Any halfway intelligent person could pull this off, requiring only a bit of patience and an utter lack of anything resembling a soul. Sadly, theres no shortage of intelligent sociopaths in this world.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. I don't

It violates the American story.

The reality is that this pot is not that friendly and a sense of isolation and anomie can develop.

In this particular case we are seeing a young man who's dreams were shattered by his own actions, but the "I don't have American friends" violates the myth of a welcoming country.

We all live with myths.

The FBI has warned this was possible for seven years, and have arrested more than a few, mostly Somali immigrants, who were self radicalized. The law of average had that sooner or later somebody would succeed.

[zappaman]

63. "The reality is that this pot is not that friendly"

The pot I purchased Saturday was VERRRRRY friendly.

[B2G]

61. "Hi Dzhokhar. Did anyone help you or your brother?"

"Nope"

"Alrighty then. Have a nice day!"

Case closed.

[NCTraveler]

64. Way too early to tell.

But good detective work and real journalists out there will get to the bottom of it. People really like to make very quick decisions with very limited information. That is what is now considered journalism.