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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Wed May 1, 2013, 08:21 PM May 2013

American Airlines sees Apple's iPad preventing pilot back injuries



By switching from heavy 40-pound flight bags to Apple's iPad, American Airlines expects to address a relatively common issue among commercial airline pilots: back injuries.

Patrick O'Keeffe, vice president of Airline Operations Technology at American Airlines, spoke this week at the TabTimes Tablet Strategy conference in New York, where he revealed that iPads will become available to all of his company's 8,600 pilots by the end of May.

"We've reduced the single biggest source of pilot injuries: carrying those packs," O'Keeffe said during his keynote presentation. "And we are now able to save $1 million in fuel costs and stop printing all the page revisions."

American Airlines first began using Apple's iPad during all phases of flight last year, and is the only carrier in the world with permission to do so. The iPad is currently the only tablet approved by the Federal Aviation Administration as an electronic flight bag.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/01/american-airlines-sees-apples-ipad-preventing-pilot-back-injuries
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American Airlines sees Apple's iPad preventing pilot back injuries (Original Post) onehandle May 2013 OP
LOL, but they are too dangerous for passengers to use. n-t Logical May 2013 #1
It would be good for a lower back support. Not much else. baldguy May 2013 #2
And you know this how? we can do it May 2013 #5
The laptop is dying a fast death. Yavin4 May 2013 #9
I'm not down on tablets. baldguy May 2013 #10
replied to wrong post we can do it May 2013 #13
No they're not. And desktop PC's aren't either. Initech May 2013 #33
No. It won't take a decade. Tablets are the present and the future. Yavin4 May 2013 #34
There's things PCs can do that tablets can't. Initech May 2013 #35
Things change. n/t Yavin4 May 2013 #36
I've been using the iPad as an EFB for years Major Nikon May 2013 #24
40 pounds? TheMightyFavog May 2013 #3
Pssst, open the link and you'll see why 40 lbs frazzled May 2013 #7
That's how much a complete sets of US IFR charts weigh Major Nikon May 2013 #25
Damn... That's a lot.... TheMightyFavog May 2013 #27
That's why I went to using the iPad as soon as I could Major Nikon May 2013 #28
Hopefully the NOTAMs aren't .pdf's... nt Earth_First May 2013 #4
Why would that be a problem? we can do it May 2013 #6
I recall an iPad issue where the entire .pdf wasn't viewable... Earth_First May 2013 #8
Ours worked fine (my older phone, too, it still works fine). Some apps are better than others. we can do it May 2013 #15
Adobe. /nt TheMadMonk May 2013 #12
Adobe is a brand. Flash is one of their products. Acrobat is one of their products. we can do it May 2013 #14
I am fully aware of that. Apparently YOU are not aware that Flash... TheMadMonk May 2013 #18
Your reply did not indicate that. goodbye we can do it May 2013 #19
And another of the irony impaired. Given the number of times... TheMadMonk May 2013 #32
That pilot's spare tire probably weighs close to 40 lbs Fumesucker May 2013 #11
How does this save $1 million in fuel costs? tanyev May 2013 #16
8,600 pilots x 300 flights per year x 40 lbs = 103,200,000 lbs less weight to fuel. onehandle May 2013 #17
Wouldn't you routinely have fluctuations greater than 40 lbs on any given flight? tanyev May 2013 #21
Yes. And every pound counts. nt onehandle May 2013 #22
A few years ago... Major Nikon May 2013 #31
this also resolves the problem of ensuring that out-of-date manuals aren't hedgehog May 2013 #20
Not really nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #23
It's much harder to do with EFB Major Nikon May 2013 #26
My hubby, navy A-Nav...would get this with charts nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #29
The military uses different charts Major Nikon May 2013 #30

Initech

(100,063 posts)
33. No they're not. And desktop PC's aren't either.
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:18 PM
May 2013

I just bought a new Lenovo. They're not going away anytime soon. Tablets can do a lot but it will take at least a decade or two before the hardware even has a remote chance of catching up in terms of sheer rendering power.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
34. No. It won't take a decade. Tablets are the present and the future.
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:10 PM
May 2013

Funny. I had a similar conversation with someone back in 1995 about the internet. He too was 100% sure that it would fade away and not be that big of a deal.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
35. There's things PCs can do that tablets can't.
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:19 PM
May 2013

It's as simple as that - try running a rendering farm on a bunch of iPads, it can't be done. Try editing a 500MB professional photo on a tablet, can't be done.

TheMightyFavog

(13,770 posts)
3. 40 pounds?
Wed May 1, 2013, 08:34 PM
May 2013

What do they carry in those bags? Bricks? A helmet? A shitload of booze from the duty-free store?

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
7. Pssst, open the link and you'll see why 40 lbs
Wed May 1, 2013, 08:40 PM
May 2013

It always helps to read the full story

Typical flight bags can weigh up to 40 pounds with thousands of pages of charts and manuals. By switching to the iPad and going digital, American Airlines will cut printing costs and make it easier for pilots to carry those charts.

While only the iPad is allowed for use as an electronic flight bag, American Airlines has also embraced devices running Google Android for other aspects of flight. The company has distributed 16,000 Samsung Galaxy Notes to its crew members, and flight attendants reportedly use the devices to manage data related to food service, seating, and up-to-date gate information.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
28. That's why I went to using the iPad as soon as I could
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:48 PM
May 2013

It also a lot more expensive to use paper charts. For about $75 per year I get almost every chart the FAA publishes. It would cost me several hundred to get the same thing in paper. I also get a lot more capability.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
8. I recall an iPad issue where the entire .pdf wasn't viewable...
Wed May 1, 2013, 09:19 PM
May 2013

The problem has most likely been solved, however I still like to get my "I" digs in when I can...

we can do it

(12,182 posts)
14. Adobe is a brand. Flash is one of their products. Acrobat is one of their products.
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:49 AM
May 2013

Photoshop is one of their products, Illustrator is one of their products.
Acrobat makes pdf files, which work fine on iphone and ipads.

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
18. I am fully aware of that. Apparently YOU are not aware that Flash...
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:59 AM
May 2013

...and Acrobat both, have more holes in them than Swiss cheese.

Every time I cold boot my machine (admittedly not that often), security updates to both are invariably waiting.

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
32. And another of the irony impaired. Given the number of times...
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:14 PM
May 2013

...we have been instructed to disable these two Adobe products over the past twelve months, I thought an ironical one word answer would suffice.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
11. That pilot's spare tire probably weighs close to 40 lbs
Wed May 1, 2013, 09:37 PM
May 2013

It would help his back immensely if he would get rid of it, I know it did wonders for my back when I lost a bunch of weight.

tanyev

(42,550 posts)
16. How does this save $1 million in fuel costs?
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:33 AM
May 2013

I get how it can reduce back injuries and the savings in paper is cool, but they're claiming that there will be measurable fuel savings? I would think 40 lbs on a large passenger plane is a negligible weight.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
17. 8,600 pilots x 300 flights per year x 40 lbs = 103,200,000 lbs less weight to fuel.
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:16 AM
May 2013

This is why they charge extra for excess baggage, and sometimes excess passenger.

The weight adds up.

tanyev

(42,550 posts)
21. Wouldn't you routinely have fluctuations greater than 40 lbs on any given flight?
Thu May 2, 2013, 05:00 PM
May 2013

Weight of cargo, weight of passenger baggage, weight of passengers....Granted, the first two are weighed, but passengers and carry-ons are not. (Not yet, anyway)

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
31. A few years ago...
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:02 PM
May 2013

I read that airlines swapped out the stainless steel flatware in 1st class for a lighter metal, just in the interest of saving fuel.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
20. this also resolves the problem of ensuring that out-of-date manuals aren't
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:51 AM
May 2013

floating around in the system!

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
26. It's much harder to do with EFB
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:35 PM
May 2013

I get an update notice that tells me when I have out of date charts. I simply insure I have a wifi connection, click on update, and within a few minutes everything has been updated. With Jeppesen paper charts that most airline pilots use, they send you updates via snail mail and you have to file each one individually. If you miss one update it could take you months or years to correct, if that same plate doesn't get updated again.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. My hubby, navy A-Nav...would get this with charts
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:52 PM
May 2013

He still did not trust the electronic version. It was an old version that led to a collision.

When we cover fires, have not gotten paper, I'd rather have it. This year will print them. Some of those Topos have not been updated in two decades.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
30. The military uses different charts
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:59 PM
May 2013

Most every GA pilot I know who flies IFR on a regular basis is using the iPad for electronic flight bag. I have a backup on my iPhone and as a second backup I print just the approach plates I plan on using. I've been doing this for about 3 years now with zero issues.

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