Need some quick facts. How many gun sales have been stopped by b/g checks?

[Bucky]

I think I heard the number was about 150,000, but for what time frame? Does that mean "Since 1995" when the system went into place? Is this number even correct? Is the 40% for "no background checks" even correct?

[jazzimov]

1. Impossible to tell. If they know they wouldn't pass

they wouldn't attempt it. That's part of the idea.

[Bucky]

2. Not true. I know I heard a number on those who failed to pass the background check

Arguments based on the premise that "all criminals are smart" contain a fatal flaw.

[The Straight Story]

3. 1-2% from what I have read

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022774001

Has more info (follow some of the links)

Biggest issue facing background checks is funding right now. But no one seems to want to discuss that side of things (same with the ATF and law enforcement in general, they lack the resources to enforce the laws we have let alone any new ones)

[The Straight Story]

4. Update - 2%:

Since its implementation in 1998, 2.1 million background checks have been denied out of 118 million requests, or almost 2%.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/10/politics/background-checks-explainer

[Stretch714]

8. I would go with the FBI numbers before CNN. nt

[Stretch714]

5. 160,474,702 from Nov 1998 to Dec 2012. 987,578Have been denied in that time.

"From the inception of the NICS on November 30, 1998, to December 31, 2012, a total of 160,474,702 transactions have been processed".


"From November 30, 1998, to December 31, 2012, the NICS Section has denied a total of 987,578 transactions. Denials issued by the NICS Section in 2012 totaled 88,479".


[link:http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/2012-operations-report|

[Jenoch]

6. The 40% figure of gun sales without

background checks does not seem to be supported by current statistics.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-continued-use-of-the-claim-that-40-percent-of-gun-sales-lack-background-checks/2013/04/01/002e06ce-9b0f-11e2-a941-a19bce7af755_blog.html

[The Straight Story]

7. The 40% is 20%

The use of the NICS however is not required for private sales of firearms, which make up about 20% of all firearm transactions.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/10/politics/background-checks-explainer

The real question you want to ask is - what percent of gun owners use them in a crime?

Less than 1%. But people like to paint the 99% based on the 1% (kind of like the right does with muslims, which we don't see as ok - it is only OK when the left does it).

[pipoman]

9. The better question

is how many of those denied have even been investigated? How many prosecuted? Less than 5% investigated, 2% prosecuted..so 95% of prohibited people who have attempted to buy a firearm are never investigated...that is a crime..

[Hoyt]

10. The real question is, do you want some yahoo with a gun standing near your kids

in Chuck E Cheese? I think not, however they got their lethal weapon.

[Pelican]

11. Why does it matter?

Either the person is intent on causing harm (a very small minority) or they aren't.

The mere presence of a gun, knife, baseball bat, really big dildo doesn't make a difference either way.

[Hoyt]

12. They made the irrational decision to stuff a gun down their pants

before venturing out. That's reason enough for me, whether they intend harm, are on ready/alert, or just a friggin ignorant yahoo.

[Pelican]

13. You might think it irrational but...

How does it affect you? Especially if you don't know whether or not it is there?

[sigmasix]

14. Responsibility and NRA members

I have a friend that is a 35 year member of the NRA. He has a concealed permit and owns a small collection of handguns and long rifles. He has "accidently" fired his many weapons on at least 10 occassions. Each "accidental" discharge only destroyed property(a bed, a door and assorted pillows and furniture cushions), not a life. The fact that his wrecklessness has not cost a life YET, should have nothing to do with his maintaining a concealed carry license. Multiple instances of "accidental" discharge during cleaning or other handling of the gun ought to communicate the fact that he is an irresponsible gun owner- yet he continues to brandish weapons during traffic difficulties and sees no problem with his actions. He claims to be a responsible, rational gun owner yet repeats and believes in conspiracy theories about the POTUS and guns.
The NRA does not champion responsible gun ownership- they do work very hard to support the re-arming of violent felons, rapists and murderers.
But any claim of interest in gun safety by the NRA is hypocritical lies, made obvious by thier actions in support of racist conspiracy theories about guns and the legions of politicians that are beholding to them because of threats. The NRA has repeatedly shown itself to be a domestic terror organization intent on arming loyal groups of followers that have internalized right wing paranoia and hatred. 4 million brainwashed teabaggers armed to the teeth with paranoia and AR 15s can and will seriously damage our country and our fellow Americans, especially if thier leaders suggest armed rebellion. The teabaggers and the NRA are working alongside other extreme right wing organizations towards the destruction of America as we know it. Remember- a large percentage of NRA members believe that the the wrong side won the civil war and that it needs to be re-fought. These people are not deep-thinking constitutional scholars or political scientists with a legitimate critique- They are reactionary bigots armed with 30 years of right wing media hyperbole and hate, supported by gun fetishists and other irresponsible gun-obsessed personalities. Over 60 % of NRA instigated re-armed felons will use thier NRA-given gun rights to commit more violent crime. This is the bloody, dangerous legacy of the NRA and anyone that suppports them or joins them is helping to further fracture our country and give guns to criminals to keep the public terrorized and willing to listen to right wing conspiracy theories.
Anyone that believes in the conspiracy theories should not be considered a responsible gun owner and ought to habe his/her guns confiscated for the safety of society.

[sigmasix]

15. Responsibility and NRA members

I have a friend that is a 35 year member of the NRA. He has a concealed permit and owns a small collection of handguns and long rifles. He has "accidently" fired his many weapons on at least 10 occassions. Each "accidental" discharge only destroyed property(a bed, a door and assorted pillows and furniture cushions), not a life. The fact that his wrecklessness has not cost a life YET, should have nothing to do with his maintaining a concealed carry license. Multiple instances of "accidental" discharge during cleaning or other handling of the gun ought to communicate the fact that he is an irresponsible gun owner- yet he continues to brandish weapons during traffic difficulties and sees no problem with his actions. He claims to be a responsible, rational gun owner yet repeats and believes in conspiracy theories about the POTUS and guns.
The NRA does not champion responsible gun ownership- they do work very hard to support the re-arming of violent felons, rapists and murderers.
But any claim of interest in gun safety by the NRA is hypocritical lies, made obvious by thier actions in support of racist conspiracy theories about guns and the legions of politicians that are beholding to them because of threats. The NRA has repeatedly shown itself to be a domestic terror organization intent on arming loyal groups of followers that have internalized right wing paranoia and hatred. 4 million brainwashed teabaggers armed to the teeth with paranoia and AR 15s can and will seriously damage our country and our fellow Americans, especially if thier leaders suggest armed rebellion. The teabaggers and the NRA are working alongside other extreme right wing organizations towards the destruction of America as we know it. Remember- a large percentage of NRA members believe that the the wrong side won the civil war and that it needs to be re-fought. These people are not deep-thinking constitutional scholars or political scientists with a legitimate critique- They are reactionary bigots armed with 30 years of right wing media hyperbole and hate, supported by gun fetishists and other irresponsible gun-obsessed personalities. Over 60 % of NRA instigated re-armed felons will use thier NRA-given gun rights to commit more violent crime. This is the bloody, dangerous legacy of the NRA and anyone that suppports them or joins them is helping to further fracture our country and give guns to criminals to keep the public terrorized and willing to listen to right wing conspiracy theories.
Anyone that believes in the conspiracy theories should not be considered a responsible gun owner and ought to have his/her guns confiscated for the safety of society.

[Marengo]

16. Why limit ourselves to confiscation of firearms?

"Anyone that believes in the conspiracy theories should not be considered a responsible gun owner and ought to have his/her guns confiscated for the safety of society. "

Oklahoma City and Boston have proven that firearms are not the only effective terror weapons. If the danger is the belief itself, then the only was to ensure the safety of society is to remove these individuals from it all together.

[hobbit709]

17. Evidently not enough.