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Yeah, because NO ONE has EVER been shot in their own home before.
I found this on someone's Facebook page, and I was tempted to respond by bombarding the response box with nothing but links to articles about people who accidentally shot themselves or a family member in their own homes.
The next picture should be one of that woman on the ground clutching at a massive, bleeding bullet wound in her foot, and the dog lying dead beside her.
FSogol
(45,448 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)after you pry it from his cold, dead paws.
Arkansas Granny
(31,507 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I wonder how many people used to live in that house.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)because everyone knows there has never been a gun victim in a home
Whosoever said that wingnuts think about what the say and believe needs to have their head examined
krispos42
(49,445 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)The pic in the OP is not a display of rational behavior.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,155 posts)....and the non-gun owner gets to wonder why that person without a badge needs a gun in public and what he or she might do with it.
Great compromise!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)I'm sure there's an app for that.
The primary benefit to the public at large, in regards to CCW, is that no one knows who is carrying and who is not.
I respect their right to it and would never take it away but all it says to me is "Look at the big fat target"
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)Ironically, all it takes is a momentary distraction (or preening, which is surely NOT limited to young women) to have it end up with the metaphorical "bad guy"... Hell, cops have even been known to have them taken from their own holster.
I see this and think STOOOOPID and make a beeline in the other direction.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)the same reaction I do to people who drive those jacked-up monster pickups you almost need a stepladder to climb into. They might as well wear T-shirts reading, "I'm insecure".
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)Likewise the idiot in the jacked-up monster trucks.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Because those are the ones most likely to be carrying concealed.
If people have a gun on them I want to see it so I know who to avoid.
randome
(34,845 posts)You know, for when one of those thousands of yearly 'accidental discharges' occur.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)You might enjoy this site.
http://negligentdischarge.com/
randome
(34,845 posts)Anything less than 24/7 perpetual awareness cannot prevent a gun from killing someone it was not intended to kill.
Pelican
(1,156 posts)... that you, more than likely, pass by or are associated with person after person that has a gun you just don't know about.
Do you find yourself "aggressed" on a daily basis?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Pelican
(1,156 posts)What does it have to do with guns?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I answered.
Pelican
(1,156 posts)Because those are the ones most likely to be carrying concealed.
If people have a gun on them I want to see it so I know who to avoid.
Not an anecdote of your cycling mishaps and adventures...
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I answered the question, yes it happened to me yesterday. Or do you not find those actions aggressive?
And why does it have to be a "daily basis"?
Pelican
(1,156 posts)That implies a higher standard than "daily" but I figured I'd cut you some slack.
Silly me I guess for assuming that the conversation would continue to be about guns, or concealed carry or aggressive people that are at least associated with the general topic.
Shame on me...
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)What do you do?
Indeed, what would have been you recommendation to me in the incident I described? How would you have handled it?
Pelican
(1,156 posts)I prefer the two-finger "fancy" wave as I think I get the most irritation out of it. (Not sure how to describe it but if you were angry at me and saw it you would be pisssssed)
I wouldn't worry about them being armed. Either they are or they aren't and there isn't anything I can do to change it. The odds that they are are small. The odds that they are going to draw on me are even smaller. The odds that they are armed, willing to draw and fire are minuscule. The odds that they are armed, willing to draw, fire and fire accurately are infinitesimal.
So I don't worry about it...
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)And yet Boston looked like a ghost town.
Pelican
(1,156 posts)... and not logical.
It's not an excuse...
It also proves my point, does it makes sense to worry that any given person is going to have a pressure cooker bomb down their pants or that they are going to open up in the mall or whatever?
Of course not. If it happens, it happens and you deal with it. You run or you fight.
What else is there? Why waste the energy on what other people are doing? I just don't get it.
billh58
(6,635 posts)relatively assured that I don't pass by, and am NOT associated with anyone carrying a gun at anytime. You see, I live in Hawaii, and while we are a "restrictive may issue" State, only the Chief of Police on each island can issue CCW permits, which they don't except for extreme and rare circumstances.
Hawaii also has the lowest gun death and injury rate of any of the 50 States. Go figure...
Pelican
(1,156 posts)Millions and millions and millions of people, interact with gun owners every day and live to tell the tale.
Amazing isn't it?
80 of them die by gun shot on the Mainland USA every day, but not in Hawaii. Statistically speaking, I am 100% more likely to be shot by someone carrying a gun, than by someone who is not carrying a gun.
Funny how that works out. No?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)first thing I thought was when the dog was going to get accidently shot by one of those idiots.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)That's why this dog looks worried.
randome
(34,845 posts)hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Even before any stranger has knocked on their door. Just as surely as those who live in home with bars on windows, and multiple locks on doors...they fear everything and everyone's motives... all the time. Living in fear and always having to put on the persona of a threatening shooter carries it's own horrible long term emotional drain. These girls are victims of NRA type propoganda.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)My thoughts exactly.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)every one else.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)People who look at this & think it's OK are victims - as are the women in the pic - of extremist RW NRA propaganda.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That part is confusing.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)kitchen (with stainless appliance upgrade!) with guns at the ready--in case the dog or the other trashy gal tries something funny.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)If they distrust one another that much, maybe it's time for a new roommate.
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)I can just see that beagle lunging for a crumb and one of these "fair" gun lubbers accidentally dropping their beloved 9 mm as they lean in to "correct"...
My contempt for this paranoid irresponsbile obsession runneth over.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Sometimes they come at you in waves, three or four at a time.
rurallib
(62,387 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Original post)
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pintobean
(18,101 posts)It wouldn't even be a contender without that last sentence.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Because you know that's what they're really afraid of.
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)Is quite predictive...
Truth hurts
pintobean
(18,101 posts)And, the sentence I quoted is wishing harm to this woman and death to her dog.
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)but her damned stupidity (and those of countless like her) will likely accomplish that. Links down below. Look for my other post #59 (or don't... NRA-brainwashing makes many unwilling to acknowledge statistical fact).
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I'm going by the actual words posted in the OP. If it isn't wishing harm, they should have used the word might, or could, rather than the word should.
As to your statistics, no shit a gun is required for a gun accident. Ladder accidents would require the presence of a ladder. I'm not likely to be involved in an auto accident when I'm sitting on my porch, either.
You claimed that an accident is statistically predictable based on the picture. As we can see, a gun is present. What statistics can predict the likelihood of a gun accident happening in a home with a gun, compared to no gun accident in a home with a gun?
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)"Should" does not imply "wish"... It implies "if true to form, probability, given the stupidity depicted
Spew it elsewhere. Few here are buying your brand of NRA-defending propaganda.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)and resorting to insults is no answer.
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)As I already pointed you to the links.
But, typical.... Sorry, but I have little tolerance for NRA-approved tactics and talking points
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It doesn't support your claim. Pointing that out has nothing to do with the NRA.
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)why does this surprise me. Sorry to confuse you with actual facts.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Why is everyone acting like they think a posed picture (to make the poster) reflects anyones real life?
Why is everyone so focused on a beagle, which by law, is unable to possess firearms, and by design is unable to properly use firearms?
Why does everyone think that the mere presence of a gun in a home results in an accidental massacre, every time?
I thought this was a place for intelligent discussion, not a different sort of reactionism that we slam the right for.
Just saying
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)"Why does everyone think that the mere presence of a gun in a home results in an accidental massacre, every time? "--
Because statistically, the odds are that it
may well be.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Hundreds of million of firearms in private ownership versus the absence of even thousand accidental massacres in homes. Any accidental shooting is bad, but guns in the home don't make it a foregone certainty.
Any murder is bad, the danger is not the presence of a firearm, it's somehow a murder became an acceptable idea to someone.
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Which scientific study?
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home
http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/02/01/1559827610396294
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/105/4/888.full
And it doesnt matter how the guns are stored or what type or how many guns you own.
If you have a gun, everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.
Furthermore, there is no credible evidence that having a gun in your house reduces your risk of being a victim of a crime. Nor does it reduce your risk of being injured during a home break-in.
The health risks of owning a gun are so established and scientifically non-controvertible that the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a policy statement in 2000 recommending that pediatricians urge parents to remove all guns from their homes.
Notice that the recommendation doesnt call for parents to simply lock up their guns. It stresses that the weapons need to be taken out of the house.
Study after study has been conducted on the health risks associated with guns in the home. One of the latest was a meta-review published in 2011 by David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. He examined all the scientific literature to date on the health risks and benefits of gun ownership.
What he found was sobering, to say the least.
Accidental deaths
To begin with, having a gun in the home is a risk factor for serious accidental injury and death. As Hemenway points out, death certificate data indicate that 680 Americans were killed accidentally with guns each year between 2003 and 2007. Half those victims were under the age of 25.
Children aged 5 to 14 in the United States are 11 times more likely to die from an accidental gunshot wound than children in other developed countries.
Nonfatal gun injuries occur at the average rate of 20 a day in the United States and that doesnt include pellet-gun injuries (which average 45 day) or injuries that dont involve a bullet wound (like powder burns and recoil injuries).
One study of nonfatal accidental shootings found that the majority were self- inflicted, most involved handguns, and more than one third of the injuries required hospitalization, writes Hemenway. Injuries often occurred during fairly routine gun handling cleaning a gun, loading and unloading, target shooting, and so on.
Suicides
An average of 46 Americans committed suicide with guns each day between 2003 and 2007. In fact, more Americans killed themselves with guns during those years than with all other methods combined.
Gun owners and their families are not more suicidal than non-gun-owners, research shows. No are they more likely to have a history of depression or other mental health problems.
But they and their families are at significantly increased risk of successfully taking their lives with a gun. The reason: Guns are more lethal than other methods.
One study found, reports Hemenway, that in states with more guns, there were more suicides (because there were more firearm suicides), even after controlling for the percentage of the states population with serious mental illness, alcohol dependence or abuse, illicit substance dependence or abuse, and the percentage unemployed, living below the poverty level, and in urban areas.
But there was no association between gun prevalence and a states nonfirearm suicide rate, he adds.
Homicides
Two-thirds of all murders between 2003 and 2007 involved guns. The average number of Americans shot and killed daily during those years was 33. Of those, one was a child (0 to 14 years), five were teenagers (15 to 19 years) and seven were young adults (20 to 24 years), on average.
Children in the U.S. get murdered with guns at a rate that is 13 times higher than that of other developed nations. For our young people aged 15 to 24, the rate is 43 times higher.
The presence of a gun makes quarrels, disputes, assaults, and robberies more deadly. Many murders are committed in a moment of rage, writes Hemenway.
For example, a large percentage of homicides and especially homicides in the home occur during altercations over matters such as love, money, and domestic problems, involving acquaintances, neighbors, lovers, and family members; often the assailant or victim has been drinking. Only a small minority of homicides appear to be the carefully planned acts of individuals with a single-minded intention to kill. Most gun killings are indistinguishable from nonfatal gun shootings; it is just a question of the caliber of the gun, whether a vital organ is hit, and how much time passes before medical treatment arrives.
Benefits?
The possible health benefits of gun ownership are twofold: deterring crime and stopping crimes in progress. But there are no credible studies, says Hemenway, that higher levels of gun ownership actually do these things.
The main reason people give for having a handgun in the home is protection, typically against stranger violence, he writes. However, it is important to recognize that the home is a relatively safe place, especially from strangers. For example, fewer than 30% of burglaries in the United States (2003-2007) occur when someone is at home. In the 7% of burglaries when violence does occur, the burglar is more likely to be an intimate (current or former) and also more likely to be a relative or known acquaintance than a stranger. Although people typically spend most of their time at home, only 5% of all the crimes of violence perpetrated by strangers occur at home.
In fact, adds Hemenway, research shows that most self-defense use of guns is not socially desirable. He describes one study in which criminal court judges from across the United States read the 35 descriptions of the reported self-defense firearm uses from 2 national surveys and found that, even if description of the event was accurate, in most of the cases, the self-defense gun use was probably illegal. Many were arguments that escalated into gun use.
Real risks
There are real and imaginary situations when it might be beneficial to have a gun in the home, Hemenway concludes. For example, in the Australian film Mad Max, where survivors of the apocalypse seem to have been predominantly psychopathic male bikers, having a loaded gun would seem to be very helpful for survival, and public health experts would probably advise people in that world to obtain guns.
However, for most contemporary Americans, the scientific studies suggest that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit, he adds. There are no credible studies that indicate otherwise.
Hemenways review appeared in the American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine and can be read in full online.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the national rifle association. I have not supported any group for or against firearms. I am not complacent or uninformed about firearms. I have used firearms while I was in the military. I have seen what firearms, napalm, and explosives can do to a human body, in person and in photos.
I also accept that each side is making the strongest argument they can. People in a heated argument might, in a moment of passion, stretch a fact or two to make a point.
I thank you for the links to studies and will read them myself. After that my opinion might change. I don't know yet.
The point I was trying to make was going postal on a poster intended to be humorous submitted into a hostile environment was not really addressing any issue, just fanning the flames.
hlthe2b
(102,132 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Billy E. Brown was shot in the thigh Saturday by his bulldog Eli while Brown and his deer hunting buddy of 25 years were traveling to reach their hunting posts.
Brown's friend was riding next to him in the front seat, with the dog and the gun in between them, Gary Morse, spokesperson for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, told ABCNews.com
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)I'm just saying it's kinda a rare event that everyone was focused on.
LeftinOH
(5,353 posts)"Carrying your piece around your house" is not "open carry". I don't get it.
Robb
(39,665 posts)The uncredited photo is part of an assignment he did some time ago for Marie Claire UK, called "Girls With Guns."
He photographed three women from Virginia who were "proud members of the open carry movement." Here's more from the series.
that poor girl at the dunkins counter. I don't even know what to say.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Bet that womans order was perfect though. She wouldn't have been served if it were me behind the counter. I'd have walked away as soon as she came in with that thing.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)As a mom of two little girls I just want to smack some sense into that mother. The kid could grab that gun at any time.
Robb
(39,665 posts)No one imagines that their gun could ever be a problem. It's always someone else who isn't "doing it right" or whatever.
I've got little doubt that woman adores her child, loves her dearly -- and simply can't imagine she's putting her in any danger. Just doesn't occur to her.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,155 posts)Wow. Just wow.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Refuse to be a victim...
Looks like they have proper holsters, should be perfectly safe carry. I only OWB because I hate IWB...
OC isn't for me outside the home unless hiking, fishing, or hunting.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Those jeans are ridiculous.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)The video attached show a series of women who lifted their shirt and pulled a gun out of their bra.
I thought that was the stupidest thing I had seen all week.
randome
(34,845 posts)liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)I can't seem to find the exact video but here is a link to woman struggling to tuck her weapon in the braholster on a gun nut site and the guys are making out like it was really quick.
http://www.military.com/video/guns/pistols/the-flashbang-bra-holster/943026665001/
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)"It's a holster and a silencer!"
alp227
(32,006 posts)Myrightwingdad.blogspot.com
logs all those dumb right wing chain mails & comments sections debunk them well!
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)that it will somehow make its way into next week's LOLcats post.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Just love the feel of instant death on the hip? Paranoia, self-destroya.