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ChoppinBroccoli

(3,781 posts)
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:56 AM May 2013

Quite Possibly The Dumbest Picture You'll See All Day



Yeah, because NO ONE has EVER been shot in their own home before.


I found this on someone's Facebook page, and I was tempted to respond by bombarding the response box with nothing but links to articles about people who accidentally shot themselves or a family member in their own homes.

The next picture should be one of that woman on the ground clutching at a massive, bleeding bullet wound in her foot, and the dog lying dead beside her.
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Quite Possibly The Dumbest Picture You'll See All Day (Original Post) ChoppinBroccoli May 2013 OP
I can't tell what the beagle is carrying. FSogol May 2013 #1
Acidic explosive fleas. randome May 2013 #2
You'll only know IDemo May 2013 #3
I was wondering about that myself. Arkansas Granny May 2013 #8
Me, too. If the dog is carrying, he can FINALLY do some real damage to the mailman. nt Nay May 2013 #26
The dog looks concerned. winter is coming May 2013 #4
Amurika, greatest education system on the planet Coyotl May 2013 #5
I was expecting a picture of Dubya... krispos42 May 2013 #6
I respect open carry. It's a good compromise between gun owners & non-owners. nt patrice May 2013 #7
You mean it's a good indication that the gun owner is scared shitless. baldguy May 2013 #10
A good compromise wherein the gun owner gets to parade around with his or her weapon.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #12
Sure. But in your home? All the time? I don't carry my cell phone at home, and I use it constantly. Buzz Clik May 2013 #17
Don't worry. randome May 2013 #18
Hell no... Pelican May 2013 #23
I think the goal in open carry is to intimidate others... hlthe2b May 2013 #25
Intimidate? When I see a non-police type openly carrying a weapon, I have winter is coming May 2013 #89
That's how we perceive THEM... I think THEY believe they are intimidating. hlthe2b May 2013 #90
Probably true, which makes it all the more laughable/pathetic. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #92
All that means is that we always have to defer to the most aggressive assholes out there Fumesucker May 2013 #28
+1000 baldguy May 2013 #33
To 'avoid' them, you need to be out of bullet range, too. randome May 2013 #39
At least give me the chance, that's all I really ask Fumesucker May 2013 #43
That IS very interesting. randome May 2013 #49
Except for the fact... Pelican May 2013 #53
Yesterday in fact Fumesucker May 2013 #55
I read it... Pelican May 2013 #60
You asked about aggressive people Fumesucker May 2013 #62
I asked in the context of the conversation... Pelican May 2013 #63
Here's your question verbatim.. Fumesucker May 2013 #69
Because you used the word always... Pelican May 2013 #70
When someone is aggressive toward you and there's no way to know if they are armed or not Fumesucker May 2013 #72
Probably something similar... Pelican May 2013 #73
The odds that the Boston bomber was going to shoot any given person were infinitesimal too Fumesucker May 2013 #75
That's because people are emotional... Pelican May 2013 #77
Actually, I can be billh58 May 2013 #79
Another fun statistic... Pelican May 2013 #80
And, billh58 May 2013 #82
omg Whisp May 2013 #9
You don't think that's their first dog, do you? Progressive dog May 2013 #38
They named him Snoopy IV. randome May 2013 #41
Looking at these two, I'd say more likely Snoopy XLVI hlthe2b May 2013 #61
Those two women ARE victims Sheepshank May 2013 #11
Precisely Sherman A1 May 2013 #19
But paranoid gun bearers are dangerous to Progressive dog May 2013 #42
That's not a "but" but an "and" n/t Sheepshank May 2013 #54
Nailed it BrotherIvan May 2013 #58
"No Victims Here". Yet. baldguy May 2013 #13
Open carry has nothing to do with the home Recursion May 2013 #14
Even the housepet is packing heat. Quantess May 2013 #15
If that beagle begs for food one more time, end him. Buzz Clik May 2013 #16
LOL. Redneck Fantasy Girls. Just hanging out in their TwilightGardener May 2013 #20
Here's their true fantasy... L0oniX May 2013 #96
Good grief! HappyMe May 2013 #21
Animal cruelty... hlthe2b May 2013 #22
You never know when a head of iceberg lettuce might attack... VOX May 2013 #24
blow 'em to smithereens if they do rurallib May 2013 #30
Sometimes the disguise slips and we see them for what they are. randome May 2013 #32
Unsee. UNSEE DAMMIT!! Robb May 2013 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Aristus May 2013 #27
Quite Possibly The Dumbest OP I'll See All Day pintobean May 2013 #29
That's a more likely outcome than having some heathen untermenchen dead on the floor. baldguy May 2013 #35
Statistically that OP sentence hlthe2b May 2013 #36
Can you cite the statistics with a link? pintobean May 2013 #71
No one is wishing harm to this woman and death to her dog... hlthe2b May 2013 #81
Are you authorized to speak for the OP? pintobean May 2013 #84
You don't speak for the OP either.... hlthe2b May 2013 #85
Asking you to back up your claim isn't propaganda pintobean May 2013 #86
Apparently asking you to read is too much. hlthe2b May 2013 #87
I read the material. pintobean May 2013 #94
that a NRA-promoter denies anything contrary to their life view hlthe2b May 2013 #95
Your unrelated facts didn't confuse me. pintobean May 2013 #98
Why#2 Half-Century Man May 2013 #31
Re: hlthe2b May 2013 #40
? Half-Century Man May 2013 #50
BS NRA propaganda... Statistically guns are more likely to be used against those in the home. hlthe2b May 2013 #56
Where did you get that fact? Half-Century Man May 2013 #57
Peer reviewed literature--something YOU will never get from your beloved NRA hlthe2b May 2013 #59
Quit making assumptions please Half-Century Man May 2013 #66
Thank you for clarifying... hlthe2b May 2013 #67
People have been shot by their dogs before, it's not unheard of Fumesucker May 2013 #45
No argument Half-Century Man May 2013 #52
"Open Carry" applies to what you do in your own home? LeftinOH May 2013 #34
The photographer's name is Eli Meir Kaplan. Robb May 2013 #37
omg. bunnies May 2013 #44
Say Mmm... Fumesucker May 2013 #47
haha! bunnies May 2013 #51
Who in their right mind open carries around a child that young? Jennicut May 2013 #68
It's the "my gun is magic" paradigm. Robb May 2013 #74
"Who in their right mind ..." Nailed it. baldguy May 2013 #99
Regarding that last picture. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #100
More pics of delusional paranoid cowards. nt Mnemosyne May 2013 #48
I don't understand the harness on the dog either. ileus May 2013 #64
I agree, it is a dumb photo. Jenoch May 2013 #65
Last night I had an email titled Victoria's Secret liberal N proud May 2013 #76
We'll be the judge of that. Be so kind as to post, please. randome May 2013 #78
It was an attachment to a file, not a link liberal N proud May 2013 #83
I assume this was an ad for a gel-filled bra? winter is coming May 2013 #91
Aww... cleanse your brain with this website alp227 May 2013 #93
Seeing that picture fills me with hope... winter is coming May 2013 #88
Why would you carry it around in the house? Rex May 2013 #97
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
5. Amurika, greatest education system on the planet
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:02 AM
May 2013

because everyone knows there has never been a gun victim in a home
Whosoever said that wingnuts think about what the say and believe needs to have their head examined

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
10. You mean it's a good indication that the gun owner is scared shitless.
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:08 AM
May 2013

The pic in the OP is not a display of rational behavior.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
12. A good compromise wherein the gun owner gets to parade around with his or her weapon....
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:10 AM
May 2013

....and the non-gun owner gets to wonder why that person without a badge needs a gun in public and what he or she might do with it.

Great compromise!

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
17. Sure. But in your home? All the time? I don't carry my cell phone at home, and I use it constantly.
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:15 AM
May 2013
 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
23. Hell no...
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:44 AM
May 2013

The primary benefit to the public at large, in regards to CCW, is that no one knows who is carrying and who is not.

I respect their right to it and would never take it away but all it says to me is "Look at the big fat target"

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
25. I think the goal in open carry is to intimidate others...
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:50 AM
May 2013

Ironically, all it takes is a momentary distraction (or preening, which is surely NOT limited to young women) to have it end up with the metaphorical "bad guy"... Hell, cops have even been known to have them taken from their own holster.

I see this and think STOOOOPID and make a beeline in the other direction.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
89. Intimidate? When I see a non-police type openly carrying a weapon, I have
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:29 PM
May 2013

the same reaction I do to people who drive those jacked-up monster pickups you almost need a stepladder to climb into. They might as well wear T-shirts reading, "I'm insecure".

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
90. That's how we perceive THEM... I think THEY believe they are intimidating.
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:32 PM
May 2013

Likewise the idiot in the jacked-up monster trucks.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
28. All that means is that we always have to defer to the most aggressive assholes out there
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:57 AM
May 2013

Because those are the ones most likely to be carrying concealed.

If people have a gun on them I want to see it so I know who to avoid.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
39. To 'avoid' them, you need to be out of bullet range, too.
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:27 AM
May 2013

You know, for when one of those thousands of yearly 'accidental discharges' occur.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
49. That IS very interesting.
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:37 AM
May 2013

Anything less than 24/7 perpetual awareness cannot prevent a gun from killing someone it was not intended to kill.

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
53. Except for the fact...
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:51 AM
May 2013

... that you, more than likely, pass by or are associated with person after person that has a gun you just don't know about.

Do you find yourself "aggressed" on a daily basis?

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
63. I asked in the context of the conversation...
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:25 PM
May 2013
28. All that means is that we always have to defer to the most aggressive assholes out there

Because those are the ones most likely to be carrying concealed.

If people have a gun on them I want to see it so I know who to avoid.


Not an anecdote of your cycling mishaps and adventures...

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
69. Here's your question verbatim..
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:45 PM
May 2013
Do you find yourself "aggressed" on a daily basis?


I answered the question, yes it happened to me yesterday. Or do you not find those actions aggressive?

And why does it have to be a "daily basis"?

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
70. Because you used the word always...
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:49 PM
May 2013

That implies a higher standard than "daily" but I figured I'd cut you some slack.

Silly me I guess for assuming that the conversation would continue to be about guns, or concealed carry or aggressive people that are at least associated with the general topic.

Shame on me...

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
72. When someone is aggressive toward you and there's no way to know if they are armed or not
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:50 PM
May 2013

What do you do?

Indeed, what would have been you recommendation to me in the incident I described? How would you have handled it?

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
73. Probably something similar...
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:58 PM
May 2013

I prefer the two-finger "fancy" wave as I think I get the most irritation out of it. (Not sure how to describe it but if you were angry at me and saw it you would be pisssssed)

I wouldn't worry about them being armed. Either they are or they aren't and there isn't anything I can do to change it. The odds that they are are small. The odds that they are going to draw on me are even smaller. The odds that they are armed, willing to draw and fire are minuscule. The odds that they are armed, willing to draw, fire and fire accurately are infinitesimal.

So I don't worry about it...

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
75. The odds that the Boston bomber was going to shoot any given person were infinitesimal too
Thu May 2, 2013, 01:01 PM
May 2013

And yet Boston looked like a ghost town.

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
77. That's because people are emotional...
Thu May 2, 2013, 01:08 PM
May 2013

... and not logical.

It's not an excuse...

It also proves my point, does it makes sense to worry that any given person is going to have a pressure cooker bomb down their pants or that they are going to open up in the mall or whatever?

Of course not. If it happens, it happens and you deal with it. You run or you fight.

What else is there? Why waste the energy on what other people are doing? I just don't get it.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
79. Actually, I can be
Thu May 2, 2013, 01:23 PM
May 2013

relatively assured that I don't pass by, and am NOT associated with anyone carrying a gun at anytime. You see, I live in Hawaii, and while we are a "restrictive may issue" State, only the Chief of Police on each island can issue CCW permits, which they don't except for extreme and rare circumstances.

Hawaii also has the lowest gun death and injury rate of any of the 50 States. Go figure...

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
80. Another fun statistic...
Thu May 2, 2013, 01:27 PM
May 2013

Millions and millions and millions of people, interact with gun owners every day and live to tell the tale.

Amazing isn't it?

billh58

(6,635 posts)
82. And,
Thu May 2, 2013, 01:45 PM
May 2013

80 of them die by gun shot on the Mainland USA every day, but not in Hawaii. Statistically speaking, I am 100% more likely to be shot by someone carrying a gun, than by someone who is not carrying a gun.

Funny how that works out. No?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
11. Those two women ARE victims
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:09 AM
May 2013

Even before any stranger has knocked on their door. Just as surely as those who live in home with bars on windows, and multiple locks on doors...they fear everything and everyone's motives... all the time. Living in fear and always having to put on the persona of a threatening shooter carries it's own horrible long term emotional drain. These girls are victims of NRA type propoganda.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
13. "No Victims Here". Yet.
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:11 AM
May 2013

People who look at this & think it's OK are victims - as are the women in the pic - of extremist RW NRA propaganda.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
20. LOL. Redneck Fantasy Girls. Just hanging out in their
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:20 AM
May 2013

kitchen (with stainless appliance upgrade!) with guns at the ready--in case the dog or the other trashy gal tries something funny.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
21. Good grief!
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:31 AM
May 2013
Two idiots and a dog.

If they distrust one another that much, maybe it's time for a new roommate.

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
22. Animal cruelty...
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:42 AM
May 2013

I can just see that beagle lunging for a crumb and one of these "fair" gun lubbers accidentally dropping their beloved 9 mm as they lean in to "correct"...

My contempt for this paranoid irresponsbile obsession runneth over.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
24. You never know when a head of iceberg lettuce might attack...
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:47 AM
May 2013

Sometimes they come at you in waves, three or four at a time.

Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Original post)

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
29. Quite Possibly The Dumbest OP I'll See All Day
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:02 AM
May 2013

It wouldn't even be a contender without that last sentence.

The next picture should be one of that woman on the ground clutching at a massive, bleeding bullet wound in her foot, and the dog lying dead beside her.


 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
35. That's a more likely outcome than having some heathen untermenchen dead on the floor.
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:22 AM
May 2013

Because you know that's what they're really afraid of.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
71. Can you cite the statistics with a link?
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:49 PM
May 2013

And, the sentence I quoted is wishing harm to this woman and death to her dog.

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
81. No one is wishing harm to this woman and death to her dog...
Thu May 2, 2013, 01:28 PM
May 2013

but her damned stupidity (and those of countless like her) will likely accomplish that. Links down below. Look for my other post #59 (or don't... NRA-brainwashing makes many unwilling to acknowledge statistical fact).

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
84. Are you authorized to speak for the OP?
Thu May 2, 2013, 02:21 PM
May 2013

I'm going by the actual words posted in the OP. If it isn't wishing harm, they should have used the word might, or could, rather than the word should.

As to your statistics, no shit a gun is required for a gun accident. Ladder accidents would require the presence of a ladder. I'm not likely to be involved in an auto accident when I'm sitting on my porch, either.

You claimed that an accident is statistically predictable based on the picture. As we can see, a gun is present. What statistics can predict the likelihood of a gun accident happening in a home with a gun, compared to no gun accident in a home with a gun?

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
85. You don't speak for the OP either....
Thu May 2, 2013, 02:54 PM
May 2013

"Should" does not imply "wish"... It implies "if true to form, probability, given the stupidity depicted

Spew it elsewhere. Few here are buying your brand of NRA-defending propaganda.

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
87. Apparently asking you to read is too much.
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:15 PM
May 2013

As I already pointed you to the links.

But, typical.... Sorry, but I have little tolerance for NRA-approved tactics and talking points

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
94. I read the material.
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:45 PM
May 2013

It doesn't support your claim. Pointing that out has nothing to do with the NRA.

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
95. that a NRA-promoter denies anything contrary to their life view
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:46 PM
May 2013

why does this surprise me. Sorry to confuse you with actual facts.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
31. Why#2
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:06 AM
May 2013

Why is everyone acting like they think a posed picture (to make the poster) reflects anyones real life?
Why is everyone so focused on a beagle, which by law, is unable to possess firearms, and by design is unable to properly use firearms?
Why does everyone think that the mere presence of a gun in a home results in an accidental massacre, every time?

I thought this was a place for intelligent discussion, not a different sort of reactionism that we slam the right for.
Just saying

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
40. Re:
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:27 AM
May 2013

"Why does everyone think that the mere presence of a gun in a home results in an accidental massacre, every time? "--

Because statistically, the odds are that it
may well be.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
50. ?
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:44 AM
May 2013

Hundreds of million of firearms in private ownership versus the absence of even thousand accidental massacres in homes. Any accidental shooting is bad, but guns in the home don't make it a foregone certainty.
Any murder is bad, the danger is not the presence of a firearm, it's somehow a murder became an acceptable idea to someone.

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
59. Peer reviewed literature--something YOU will never get from your beloved NRA
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:13 PM
May 2013
Having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death — and that of your spouse and children.

http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home

http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/02/01/1559827610396294

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/105/4/888.full

And it doesn’t matter how the guns are stored or what type or how many guns you own.

If you have a gun, everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.

Furthermore, there is no credible evidence that having a gun in your house reduces your risk of being a victim of a crime. Nor does it reduce your risk of being injured during a home break-in.

The health risks of owning a gun are so established and scientifically non-controvertible that the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a policy statement in 2000 recommending that pediatricians urge parents to remove all guns from their homes.

Notice that the recommendation doesn’t call for parents to simply lock up their guns. It stresses that the weapons need to be taken out of the house.

Study after study has been conducted on the health risks associated with guns in the home. One of the latest was a meta-review published in 2011 by David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. He examined all the scientific literature to date on the health risks and benefits of gun ownership.

What he found was sobering, to say the least.
Accidental deaths

To begin with, having a gun in the home is a risk factor for serious accidental injury and death. As Hemenway points out, death certificate data indicate that 680 Americans were killed accidentally with guns each year between 2003 and 2007. Half those victims were under the age of 25.

Children aged 5 to 14 in the United States are 11 times more likely to die from an accidental gunshot wound than children in other developed countries.

Nonfatal gun injuries occur at the average rate of 20 a day in the United States — and that doesn’t include pellet-gun injuries (which average 45 day) or injuries that don’t involve a bullet wound (like powder burns and recoil injuries).

“One study of nonfatal accidental shootings found that the majority were self- inflicted, most involved handguns, and more than one third of the injuries required hospitalization,” writes Hemenway. “Injuries often occurred during fairly routine gun handling — cleaning a gun, loading and unloading, target shooting, and so on.”
Suicides

An average of 46 Americans committed suicide with guns each day between 2003 and 2007. In fact, more Americans killed themselves with guns during those years than with all other methods combined.

Gun owners and their families are not more suicidal than non-gun-owners, research shows. No are they more likely to have a history of depression or other mental health problems.

But they — and their families — are at significantly increased risk of successfully taking their lives with a gun. The reason: Guns are more lethal than other methods.

One study found, reports Hemenway, that “in states with more guns, there were more suicides (because there were more firearm suicides), even after controlling for the percentage of the state’s population with serious mental illness, alcohol dependence or abuse, illicit substance dependence or abuse, and the percentage unemployed, living below the poverty level, and in urban areas.”

But “there was no association between gun prevalence and a state’s nonfirearm suicide rate,” he adds.
Homicides

Two-thirds of all murders between 2003 and 2007 involved guns. The average number of Americans shot and killed daily during those years was 33. Of those, one was a child (0 to 14 years), five were teenagers (15 to 19 years) and seven were young adults (20 to 24 years), on average.

Children in the U.S. get murdered with guns at a rate that is 13 times higher than that of other developed nations. For our young people aged 15 to 24, the rate is 43 times higher.

“The presence of a gun makes quarrels, disputes, assaults, and robberies more deadly. Many murders are committed in a moment of rage,” writes Hemenway.

“For example, a large percentage of homicides — and especially homicides in the home — occur during altercations over matters such as love, money, and domestic problems, involving acquaintances, neighbors, lovers, and family members; often the assailant or victim has been drinking. Only a small minority of homicides appear to be the carefully planned acts of individuals with a single-minded intention to kill. Most gun killings are indistinguishable from nonfatal gun shootings; it is just a question of the caliber of the gun, whether a vital organ is hit, and how much time passes before medical treatment arrives.”
Benefits?

The possible health benefits of gun ownership are twofold: deterring crime and stopping crimes in progress. But there are no credible studies, says Hemenway, that higher levels of gun ownership actually do these things.

“The main reason people give for having a handgun in the home is protection, typically against stranger violence,” he writes. “However, it is important to recognize that the home is a relatively safe place, especially from strangers. For example, fewer than 30% of burglaries in the United States (2003-2007) occur when someone is at home. In the 7% of burglaries when violence does occur, the burglar is more likely to be an intimate (current or former) and also more likely to be a relative or known acquaintance than a stranger. Although people typically spend most of their time at home, only 5% of all the crimes of violence perpetrated by strangers occur at home.”

In fact, adds Hemenway, research shows that most self-defense use of guns is not socially desirable. He describes one study in which “criminal court judges from across the United States read the 35 descriptions of the reported self-defense firearm uses from 2 national surveys and found that, even if description of the event was accurate, in most of the cases, the self-defense gun use was probably illegal. Many were arguments that escalated into gun use.”
Real risks

“There are real and imaginary situations when it might be beneficial to have a gun in the home,” Hemenway concludes. “For example, in the Australian film Mad Max, where survivors of the apocalypse seem to have been predominantly psychopathic male bikers, having a loaded gun would seem to be very helpful for survival, and public health experts would probably advise people in that world to obtain guns.”

“However, for most contemporary Americans, the scientific studies suggest that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit,” he adds. “There are no credible studies that indicate otherwise.”

Hemenway’s review appeared in the American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine and can be read in full online.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
66. Quit making assumptions please
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:36 PM
May 2013

I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the national rifle association. I have not supported any group for or against firearms. I am not complacent or uninformed about firearms. I have used firearms while I was in the military. I have seen what firearms, napalm, and explosives can do to a human body, in person and in photos.
I also accept that each side is making the strongest argument they can. People in a heated argument might, in a moment of passion, stretch a fact or two to make a point.
I thank you for the links to studies and will read them myself. After that my opinion might change. I don't know yet.
The point I was trying to make was going postal on a poster intended to be humorous submitted into a hostile environment was not really addressing any issue, just fanning the flames.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
45. People have been shot by their dogs before, it's not unheard of
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:33 AM
May 2013
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/sit-stay-aim-fire-dog-shoots-another-hunter/

A 78 -year-old Florida man is in critical condition after being shot by his dog while hunting, marking the second time a canine has shot its master in the past month.

Billy E. Brown was shot in the thigh Saturday by his bulldog Eli while Brown and his deer hunting buddy of 25 years were traveling to reach their hunting posts.

“Brown's friend was riding next to him in the front seat, with the dog and the gun in between them,” Gary Morse, spokesperson for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, told ABCNews.com

LeftinOH

(5,353 posts)
34. "Open Carry" applies to what you do in your own home?
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:19 AM
May 2013

"Carrying your piece around your house" is not "open carry". I don't get it.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
37. The photographer's name is Eli Meir Kaplan.
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:23 AM
May 2013

The uncredited photo is part of an assignment he did some time ago for Marie Claire UK, called "Girls With Guns."

He photographed three women from Virginia who were "proud members of the open carry movement." Here's more from the series.









 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
51. haha!
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:45 AM
May 2013

Bet that womans order was perfect though. She wouldn't have been served if it were me behind the counter. I'd have walked away as soon as she came in with that thing.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
68. Who in their right mind open carries around a child that young?
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:43 PM
May 2013

As a mom of two little girls I just want to smack some sense into that mother. The kid could grab that gun at any time.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
74. It's the "my gun is magic" paradigm.
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:59 PM
May 2013

No one imagines that their gun could ever be a problem. It's always someone else who isn't "doing it right" or whatever.

I've got little doubt that woman adores her child, loves her dearly -- and simply can't imagine she's putting her in any danger. Just doesn't occur to her.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
64. I don't understand the harness on the dog either.
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:27 PM
May 2013

Refuse to be a victim...

Looks like they have proper holsters, should be perfectly safe carry. I only OWB because I hate IWB...

OC isn't for me outside the home unless hiking, fishing, or hunting.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
76. Last night I had an email titled Victoria's Secret
Thu May 2, 2013, 01:08 PM
May 2013

The video attached show a series of women who lifted their shirt and pulled a gun out of their bra.

I thought that was the stupidest thing I had seen all week.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
83. It was an attachment to a file, not a link
Thu May 2, 2013, 02:00 PM
May 2013

I can't seem to find the exact video but here is a link to woman struggling to tuck her weapon in the braholster on a gun nut site and the guys are making out like it was really quick.

http://www.military.com/video/guns/pistols/the-flashbang-bra-holster/943026665001/

alp227

(32,006 posts)
93. Aww... cleanse your brain with this website
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:34 PM
May 2013

Myrightwingdad.blogspot.com
logs all those dumb right wing chain mails & comments sections debunk them well!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
97. Why would you carry it around in the house?
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:52 PM
May 2013

Just love the feel of instant death on the hip? Paranoia, self-destroya.

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