Danny Brown receives oral sex while on stage, was it assault?

[cali]

I think an argument can absolutely be made that it was, but I don't buy that he couldn't do anything about it.

Danny Brown has come under fire for an incident that occurred at his April 26 tour stop in Minneapolis, in which a female fan rushed the stage and performed oral sex on the "XXX" rapper.

According to reports, the experimental hip-hop artist was in the middle of a song when the unidentified woman came up and pulled his pants down.

Brown, 32, is on tour with fellow rapper Kitty Pryde. On Wednesday she penned an angry letter about the incident, expressing her outrage at what she considered sexual assault.

<snip>

Brown supposedly kept on singing throughout the ordeal. Rapper Kendrick Lamar incredulously tweeted to him, asking if the rumors were true.

"U really just got the h--- on stage stanny???" Lamar tweeted.

According to some reports, Brown responded saying he "didn't miss one bar" but later deleted the tweet, refraining from directly addressing the incident, and instead retweeting fan reaction and links to Kitty Pryde's lengthy letter.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/rapper-danny-brown-received-oral-sex-stage-concert-article-1.1332919#ixzz2S9NR2GoH

[badtoworse]

1. I was blown away by the story

[Fumesucker]

2. Reminded me of this song

[dogknob]

96. Love me some Beck! Thank you!

So, if any of those flying panties actually hit Tom Jones, it's assault?

Look. The guy's a ____ for letting the head continue... or for even allowing his pants to come down, but he made an on-the-spot decision to incorporate it into his act.

That is his act. If I don't like someone's act, I leave. Or I don't even show up at all. This guy, like most major-label hip-hop guys, will be gone in 3 months... I believe an onstage blowjob will be the zenith of a short, happy career.

Downthread there is a discussion of fellatio between various members of the Three Stooges. Thanks a lot, people. More nightmares.

[Brickbat]

3. Sounds like assault to me.

[cali]

4. I agree that it was assault, but I don't agree that he

couldn't have stopped it.

[timdog44]

14. Yeah.

A head on assault.

[bunnies]

5. Assault that he sang through?

Whats that... enjoyable assault? Gimme a fucking break. A grown man with security cant get his cock out of someones mouth? Bullshit.

[badtoworse]

8. My thoughts exactly

[datasuspect]

9. the show must go on

you never been in show biz i take it?

[bunnies]

17. Not the kind where someone would sing through an assault.

And Ive seen many shows stopped for MUCH less.

[datasuspect]

24. i got my start watching cartoons and comedy shows

that were direct descendants of vaudeville.

do you think the three stooges would have skipped a beat if moe ACTUALLY poked curly in the eye by accident?

methinks not.

[0rganism]

27. what if Moe started blowing Curly?

Betcha they'd stop filming in a hurry then, at least to do another take. Not exactly a live show situation though.

[datasuspect]

53. finger in an eye?

cock in a mouth?

they're both appendages stuck in headholes.

meh.

plus, that sure would have been one hell of an episode for back then.

[0rganism]

116. rule 34: there is now, or soon will be, 3 stooges gay porn

I can't do the search now, being at work, but I can only hope any such content is presented in grainy black & white.

[datasuspect]

117. write it up

and i will present it to the san fernando valley.

i think we're on to something here.

i'm getting the chilly willies just thinking about it.

[0rganism]

138. no big surprise: it exists

this, for example:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/three-stooges-porn-parody-314151
Seems there's a dispute over copyright; producer of the porno claims it's protected as parody.

[Fumesucker]

10. Mouths often have teeth

I'd think twice about getting violent with someone who had their teeth touching my penis.

[bunnies]

12. I sure as hell wouldnt.

But I dont have a penis. There are other things he could have done though. He had a microphone for chrissakes. And security!! Sounds like he just stood there and let it happen.

[temporary311]

16. Would you want

to have security violently jerk someone (who is obviously a little cuckoo) away who is in a position to bite down on your sensitive bits in the process? That's what you're suggesting. Frankly, Im not sure what could've been done in this situation to avoid a very painful injury.

[bunnies]

22. I wouldnt need securtiy...

Because I'd kick the living shit out of the person myself. And yes... that is a chance that I'd be willing to take to get some skeevy strangers mouth off my bits. Without a doubt. But then again... the asshole never would have gotten that far with me. As soon as they grabbed my pants it would be over. OVER.

[temporary311]

28. Yes, of course,

it's totally the victims fault for being sexually assaulted. If only the victim had the super human reflexes and disregard for bodily harm that you yourself possess, than this would never have happened.

[bunnies]

35. It takes "super human reflexes" to turn your body around?

Really? Unless this woman was straight from the matrix, he had plenty of time to stop it BEFORE she was even able to get his penis in her mouth. Think.

[EOTE]

40. So, at what point does the rape of a woman become acceptable to you?

If she didn't prevent the guy from taking off her dress? I mean, she had plenty of time to stop things BEFORE he started having sex with her, right? No, your comments aren't horrifically sexist at all. I would ask you to think, but as of now, I'm not naive enough to think that will happen.

[enlightenment]

26. How about putting a stop to it

before his penis was in potential danger?

The woman had to get on the stage, approach the performer, and yank down his trousers before she could apply herself to the task. There was ample opportunity for him to stop her from getting her mouth on his penis.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was planned - it certainly has gotten him attention.

[temporary311]

31. That's possible that it was planned.

People have certainly done stupider shit for attention. But I'm not sure if going with the whole "they have ways of shutting that whole thing down" approach is best when it comes to sexual assault. It reeks of victim blaming, and this person is still potentially a victim.

[enlightenment]

47. Could be.

But when the evidence points to deliberate collusion (no attempt by anyone on stage or security to divert this "fan" from her target - something that security is there for - followed by bragging from the victim that he just kept on singing while being assaulted), I am less inclined to see this as an assault.

It isn't "victim blaming" to ask reasonable questions where doubts remain. That is what makes a justice system work - that we allow for doubt.

[Comrade Grumpy]

23. There you go. Blaming the victim.

[bunnies]

25. Victim of a blowjob.

which he allowed to happen.

[EOTE]

29. Victim of intercourse

which she allowed to happen.

Somehow it doesn't have that same ring of acceptability when you switch genders. Excusing sexual assault is just fine when it's the male who was assaulted, huh?

[bunnies]

33. We're not talking about rape here.

Lets be clear. We're talking about a man who couldn't even be bothered to turn around or attempt to keep the incident from occurring at all. You really think thats the same thing? Really?

[EOTE]

38. We're talking about sexual assault.

I don't know if it's rape, I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the law as it pertains to this. Your ignorant comments could just be as well directed toward women, they're horrifically sexist and stupid. "We're talking about a woman who couldn't even be bothered to keep the guy from taking her pants off." So let me get this straight, if a woman is capable of taking off a man's pants for whatever reason, she has then been given consent to engage in whatever sexual assault she wishes? The fact that you can't see how incredibly disgusting your comments would be if the genders were reversed shows how incredibly out of touch many here are.

No, it's not the same thing. One case involves a woman attacking a man and you apparently think that's okie-dokie. It's nice to see that kinds of sexual assault are acceptable to DU's feminists.

[bunnies]

39. Oh FFS.

If Im laying on the beach and some asshole walks up to me and yanks my bikini off and starts trying to go after me and I do NOTHING about it despite the fact that I have a megaphone and security you wouldnt think that I'd consented? Gimme a break.

[EOTE]

41. Oh, for fuck's sake. You continue to excuse sexual assault all you want.

No one here is stupid enough to think that you wouldn't be screaming from the rooftops if the genders were reversed. One wonders how the hypocrisy doesn't cause you to explode. And the more appropriate comparison would be if some maniac managed to get your clit in a vice in a few seconds, but logic doesn't appear to be your strong point.

[bunnies]

46. wow. Youre a nasty one aren't you.

And there is not a chance the genders *could* be reversed in this issue. Not a single woman alive would just stand there and allow this to happen. And keep SINGING through it all. Its ridiculous.

[EOTE]

61. So you and numerous other defenders of sexual assault have said.

While not actually providing said picture. Regardless, it's an incredibly idiotic excuse. A picture doesn't come close to providing a full story. But I'm sure you'll continue to use that to excuse your enormous hypocrisy.

[bunnies]

62. Ok. Heres the full story from an eye-witness.

I was right behind the girl and saw everything it was scaring edit: Okay so this is how it all went down, I was near the front row and all night Danny had been going up to the crowd and having random girls touch his d*ck through his pants. Then this girl in front of me starts flashing him and he goes up to her and grabs her t*ts. Then all of a sudden gets up close pulls his shirt up a little and she start blowing him. Then I’m behind her and I start getting pushed against her by the crowd shifting. It horrible and i hope you guys will be donating to my future therapy sessions but also i came back with a story. He rapped the entire time during too.

Read more: http://soundisstyle.com/2013/04/danny-brown-got-head-from-a-very-classy-fan-on-stage-during-a-live-performance-in-minnesota.html#ixzz2S9fbk3oA

[EOTE]

63. Where's your pic? You know, the one that excuses this sexual assault?

I'm sure you've got it, otherwise you wouldn't have been stupid enough to bring it up, LOL. So now it's not a pic that makes this sexual assault OK, it's commentary from some random dude? Well, it's good to no that any rape defendant can clear his name on the word of some random dude. Sometimes I wonder if the sexists here have any clue as to how insanely ignorant and offensive they sound.

[cali]

66. I posted it for you, dear. looking forward to seeing you chomp down on

crow

[EOTE]

74. I saw your grainy, contextless picture which you use to excuse sexual assault.

I won't be chomping down on anything but your incredible ignorance.

[cali]

80. bwahahaha. pathetic, darling

he may have been assaulted, but there is abundant evidence, that he was engaging with her and others- grabbing girls tits, pulling up his shirt for her.

Jaysus, son.

it's YOU who are not only incredibly ignorant here but are determined to ignore facts. Disgusting.

[opiate69]

88. So then, by your....ahem..."logic"..

A stripper giving customers lap dances should expect to get sexually assaulted?

[cali]

100. as I understand it, there are explicit rules

that are made clear about touching a stripper giving a man a lap dance.

so did Brown commit sexual assault when he grabbed the tits of a woman on stage?

[opiate69]

104. What about the stripper giving the dances at a private function outside of the club

Such as a bachelors party? Rules may or may not be clearly stated in such a scenario.
And as for whether his groping constitutes sexual assault, the obvious answer is, possibly. But only the woman/women he groped would be in a position to determine if they consented or not. Of course, it's also entirely possible that the sales agreement for the ticket purchase included a waiver (who ever reads the fine print? ) given the apparent "adult" nature of his usual shows.

[EOTE]

94. He may have been assaulted, but...

What a charming way with words you have. Again you have no idea how insanely hypocritical you're being. "Your honor, she was grabbing on guys the whole night. She OBVIOUSLY wanted it." You'd be a dream juror. For the right defense attorney, anyway. Sickening.

[bunnies]

67. Follow the link if you want to see the pic.

You think just because Im a woman I should fetch it for you?

[EOTE]

71. You think just because you can't make a cogent argument, I'm should excuse your ignorance?

I WOULD expect you to use a lick of sense or logic. But that's clearly not going to happen. You and your ilk are at least consistent on your offensiveness. When it comes to women, the standard is always "clear, enthusiastic consent." When it comes to men it's "Hey, the guy didn't beat her with a stick while her teeth were on his dick." Yep. Thoroughly, consistently... disgusting.

[Jamastiene]

133. Where are your pictures or videos to prove it WAS sexual assault?

After all, that is the type of evidence a woman has to provide to get any man ever charged for sexual assault or rape in this day and age. And before the age of cameras/videos being available everywhere, women had to hear that they asked for it, were dressed wrong, could have stopped it, deserved it, and numerous other excuses...and STILL could not get their attacker charged for the crimes most of the time. That is why so many rapes against women go unreported. We know we will have to go through hell just to get the police to bother to try to do anything. And, IF, they do actually charge the attacker, we have to endure public humiliation, vilification, hatred, and destruction of our reputations.

Why SHOULDN'T the same criteria be applied to a man? Women have been told for eons that this attitude is equal and fair justice under the law. If we dared complain about how we were treated, we were called hysterical or other dismissive names. We've had to take it and pretend we are treated equally, when we are vilified, called liars, told we "changed out minds" afterward, and had our reputations destroyed.

So, why should men get a special pass when it comes to providing the same evidence and hearing the same types of things? Why should men expect to be treated any differently? After all, that is equality as it has ALWAYS been applied to women. Welcome to the real world. Now you see what women have endured for eons.

You are just being hysterical.

[cali]

52. no shit. what a (fill in the blanks here)

[EOTE]

59. Stupid minz and their nastiness when it comes to sexual assault.

Why can't they be good little dudez and just accept it, huh? You girls have fun in your She-woman, man-hating club.

[bunnies]

64. Seriously.

Have you seen the witness account of this yet? I posted it above in a response to Mr. Nasty. Really thoughtful of Danny Brown to pull his shirt up for the woman so it wouldnt be in her way! Thats definitely what I would do to prevent unwanted sexual advances! But then again I'm the ignorant, sexist one so what do I know.

[EOTE]

78. Don't forget amoral and hypocritical. nt

[cali]

42. I think it was sexual assault, but why didn't he put a stop to it

and yes, he could have. He could have stopped performing and called for security or he could have pushed her away or stepped quickly backward or to the side. Instead, he tweeted that he never lost a beat. In addition, he invited these women up on stage with him. That doesn't excuse her assaulting him.

It was sexual assault and he did nothing to avoid it.

[EOTE]

43. Because he has sharp weapons millimeters away from his dick?

Something that quite a few people seem utterly incapable of understanding. Funnily enough, those same people seem to lack male genitalia. Regardless, if the genders were reversed, there would be NO misunderstanding whether or not this was assault.

"In addition, he invited these women up on stage with him." Regardless of the sentence you follow that up with, you're basically excusing date rape.

[cali]

48. sorry, that still doesn't make a lot of sense

let's get graphic here for one second: Generally, mouths are slippery when giving blow jobs. it takes nothing more than stepping back to dislodge a penis from a mouth.

And if that happened to a woman and she let the guy keep eating her out while she kept performing, I'd be saying the same thing: Yes, the person was assaulted, no they did nothing to stop it and appeared to be into it.

[EOTE]

54. It takes only a fraction of a second for something incredibly bad to happen

I wouldn't blame a single man in the entire world for doing as he did. If there's ANYTHING I could do to ensure that I leave the situation with my dick more or less intact, I'd do it. And I also don't blame him one bit for not knowing exactly what he could do to make that most likely to happen.

[cali]

44. he invited her and other women on stage

and there's a pic of him holding her head as if to ensure she keeps on doing what she was doing.

[EOTE]

45. She invited the man to drinks after work.

I guess whatever happens afterward is fair game, right? I guess date rape doesn't exist? What an incredibly ignorant and awful excuse to make.

[cali]

50. I don't think that's analogous

but ok, forget that he invited these women on stage.

How about YOU explain why he didn't stop performing? Why was he holding the back of her head if he was so terrified? Why did he tweet how he never lost a beat?

[EOTE]

58. I haven't seen him holding the back of the head. If you have a pic, that might help to explain it.

And he didn't stop performing because he's a professional? How about that? How about he didn't want to bring attention to the potential weapons that could have been a fraction of a second from turning him into a eunich?

[cali]

65. Here

a link to photo


and here's an account from someone claiming she witnessed it:

I was near the front row and all night Danny had been going up to the crowd and having random girls touch his dick through his pants. Then this girl in front of me starts flashing him and he goes up to her and grabs her tits. Then all of a sudden gets up close pulls his shirt up a little and she start blowing him. Then I'm behind her and I start getting pushed against her by the crowd shifting. It horrible and i hope you guys will be donating to my future therapy sessions but also i came back with a story. He rapped the entire time during too

<snip>

http://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenoise/2013/04/danny_browns_triple_rock_show_sparks_oral_sex_controversy.php

http://www.google.com/search?q=danny+brown+oral+sex+photo&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=M5qCUa6oM-PB0AGiuYCYCw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1270&bih=464

now tell me the guy didn't actively engage

[EOTE]

69. That's not a link to a photo, it's a link to a google search.

If you're referring to the first photo, that doesn't say a whole hell of a lot either. You basically just see an arm and a head, there's absolutely no context as to what the arm is doing. Using a contextless photo to excuse sexual assault is pretty stupid.

[cali]

72. good fuck. that's the pic

it's fucking obvious that this guy either planned this or went happily along with it. That pic makes it obvious that he was holding her head to his body.

sick that you keep on with your crap.

[EOTE]

77. The pic show utterly nothing.

Not even who is the recipient here. If the genders were reversed on this pic, you'd be laughing that it would be used as "proof" of anything. It's an utterly worthless pic that shows absolutely nothing.

[cali]

82. It shows him holding her head to his body

look, I'm done here, honeypie.

have fun.

[EOTE]

95. It shows an arm doing something to some head.

Which is utterly worthless. It doesn't excuse sexual assault as you so offensively seem to think.

[HiPointDem]

139. if it happened on a stage with security, a band and an audience, and in order to proceed with

the 'rape' the 'rapist' had to first take her clothes off, and neither the performer nor the band nor the security personnel did anything to even try to stop it...

bullshit if it's rape.

more likely planned for the shock value and publicity.

[LanternWaste]

109. When precisely did the "victim" make the claim of assault?

When precisely did the "victim" make the claim of assault?

[temporary311]

13. Agreed.

I think escalating the situation with a crazy person who has their teeth on my wang would be low on my list of things to do.

[denverbill]

30. Completely agree. No way this is an assault if the 'victim' allowed it to happen.

I'm not all that big or strong, but even if it was a 300 lb female there is no way she could get my pants down and give me a BJ before I could put up enough resistance to get security to grab her.

This was either deliberately staged or allowed by the performer.

[bunnies]

37. Thank you.

Thats it. Exactly.

[cali]

83. thank you.

and if he did believe he was being assaulted why didn't he stop performing and ask for security.

[sibelian]

90. Yeah I think you're right.

His "assailant" sounds fairly dedicated but I can't see it really being a problem getting her to stop...

[Sheldon Cooper]

6. Reverse it.

If a woman was onstage singing and a man came up from the audience, and pulled down her pants and attempted to perform oral sex on her, of course it would be sexual assault. Security would have removed him immediately and there would be no doubt that it was not only wildly inappropriate but also criminal.

How is this any different?

[Dash87]

7. What the absolute f...

[HappyMe]

11. It sounds like assault to me.

I'm not sure how he could stop this. For one thing, I'm not sure that security guys would want to put their hands on her to get her off the stage. For another thing, there's the teeth factor. Push her away, and she might just bite down.

[cali]

18. turn around. I think he must have known what she was attempting

before she actually had her mouth on his penis. If not, he could have simply stopped performing and called security.

[timdog44]

20. Security should

have stopped her getting on the stage.

He should have done something when she was pulling his pants down.

It sounds to me like it was staged.

[datasuspect]

56. good thing she didn't try that on keith richards

he woulda bashed her in the head with his 'lectric twanger.

[Schema Thing]

34. uh, take a step backwards? Turn around? Gently push away?

You know, all the things people normally do when they don't want sex.

[Quantess]

15. That definitely sounds like assault.

What a dumb fan.

[temporary311]

19. People like this

definitely remind one that "fan" is short for "fanatic."

[SwissTony]

21. Sounds like it was staged to me n/t

[Brickbat]

32. I find it hilarious that "head" is "bleeped" in that article.

[Xyzse]

36. I'm Sorry, the only thing I got from this article is that Shadow Cat is a rapper

I didn't know that Kitty Pryde a.k.a. Shadow Cat the X-man was going around.

That was about the only thing that stood out for me.

[datasuspect]

55. an old man once told me:

"son, never look a gift blow job in the mouth."

[RedstDem]

57. publicity stunt

Is that not obvious ?

[cali]

68. it could well be, but no, it's not obvious.

[hrmjustin]

70. I don't understand, if she did it willingly how can she be claiming it is assualt?

[cali]

75. she's not.

it's the other way around. people are claiming that he was sexually assaulted. pretty damn clear. all you have to do is actually read what's posted.

[hrmjustin]

91. Thank you for the correction.

[olddots]

73. This is nothing new -been going on for years

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I once saw Glenn Gould get a hum job from himself while he played the Goldberg Variations at Carnage Hall

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[sufrommich]

76. If there are pictures and videotape,it should be easy enough

to file assault charges,but I have yet read that he sees it as a sexual assault.It seems to be a third person making the claim.

[Nye Bevan]

79. When consent has not been explicitly granted, it is rape.

And this statement is not affected by whether, or how, the victim chooses to resist.

[cali]

81. so his grabbing tits, was sexual assault too?

[Nye Bevan]

84. Didn't see that part, but absolutely, yes.

This kind of thing never happens when I go to ABBA tribute concerts.

[leveymg]

87. No, that's circumstantial.

If two consenting adults have sex, it is not rape if sex occurs again while they're in the same bed just because explicit consent isn't given again.

How many signed releases do you want for people to legally sleep together?

[gollygee]

107. Hmmm

Consent doesn't mean "signed release." Most people can tell if the person they are with is consenting to other things in life, and if they can't they ask without a signed release. Sex is the same. It is certainly possible to rape someone you had sex with in the same bed earlier. It is also possible for both partners to consent to have sex again without a signed release. Most people would either ask, "want another go?", or caress and see if the partner responds favorably. That is gaining consent.

[MadrasT]

121. Baloney.

If two consenting adults have sex, it is not rape if sex occurs again while they're in the same bed just because explicit consent isn't given again.

It might be rape. It might not be rape.

Consenting to have sex with someone one time is not ever a blanket free pass for "fuck me whenever you want".

[leveymg]

123. As I said, it's circumstantial.

The poster I responded to seemed to assert that express consent was required before each and every sexual act. I merely showed that's overly broad and not true in all cases. As for consensual sex, consent to sex makes the act not "rape" per se.

[sibelian]

85. Hmmmm. Methinks Kitty Pryde wants a narrative.

If he didn't bother doing anything about it... well, you know...

[Blue_Tires]

86. Dumb, obvious question: I'm not a prude, but

if this is true why wasn't he arrested on obscenity charges?

We're a long way from the days of Bobby Brown's "lewd conduct" onstage, I guess....

[bemildred]

89. Sounds like bullshit to me.

"Brown supposedly kept on singing throughout the ordeal."

[former9thward]

92. Preplanned staged event.

There is no bad publicity in entertainment.

[leveymg]

98. "Wardrobe malfunction" without the need for wardrobe? ;-)

[dogknob]

101. Smells a lot like that Lil' Kim gunfight, huh?

When you consider that Kanye West's performance at the Hurricane Sandy benefit set mainstream hip-hop back about 50 years, I understand the need for the non-musical MBAs running the music business to create outrageous spectacle.

Try this out: when somebody (probably younger than you) tells you "I love Insipid Artist-of-Month X," sit down and listen to their favorite song with them -- WITHOUT THE VIDEO -- listening to the MUSIC ONLY!

9 times out of 10, after that experience, your friend will outgrow Insipid Artist-of-Month X within days... if not immediately. I do it. It works.

[truebrit71]

93. Not buying it...

...was he assaulted? Yes. Could he, or his crew, or the stage-hands or ANYONE ELSE, have stopped it? Abso-Fucking-Lutely...

[cbdo2007]

97. The victim is the only one who can define if it is assault or not.

If he's not calling it assault, then it wasn't assault. If he had called security to drag her off stage and throw her in jail for assault, then it would be assault.

[redqueen]

99. No one can answer that except Danny Brown.

It is possible that he consented to it, encouraged it, enjoyed it, and it was perfectly fine.

It is also possible that he only seemed to consent. He very well could have feared that pushing a woman away as she was going after his business in an obvious attempt to perform fellatio might have made him 'look gay'... hip hop is changing but it has had a strong current of homophobia and misogyny for a long time.

There are lots of possibilities and basing assumptions on stereotypes is wrong. So is using understandable reactions to incidents like this to attack feminists (and in so doing, at least appearing to promote victim blaming narratives).

It is actually possible to have reasonable discussions about these issues.

[opiate69]

108. Call the papers, redqueen and I agree on something!

I would also add another possible scenario. Maybe he didn't fully consent but didn't realize until afterwards that it could be assault. How many young girls and women get assaulted but don't realize that it's assault until later when they tell a friend/parent/mentor about it?

[redqueen]

111. Very, very many.

Again, it is possible, and it would explain his not calling security during or after the incident, and even trying to play it off like he was into it / play it cool. I did that after being roofied because I was embarrassed. Tried to act like I was aware and a fully consenting participant because I was more afraid of looking like a "victim" (everyone's always demonizing people who "act like victims&quot than seeming promiscuous. Stupid, yes, but ... there you to.

[opiate69]

112. Yep yep.. also,

It's entirely possible he initially thought she was just going to simulate oral on him. Not to get into TMI territory but, there have been times when my partners have been extremely fast at unwrapping the package, as it were..
In any case, I am genuinely sorry for your experience.

[redqueen]

113. Thank you.

It's nothing millions of other girls and women haven't gone through, only our reactions are different.

It does cause me to react very strongly and angrily when people blame women for being raped.

[BainsBane]

102. I think he is the best judge of whether he was assaulted.

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I'm concerned less with how audience members perceived the incident than how Brown felt. If he says she assaulted him against his will, he is the best judge of that. I don't like the idea of taking apart his actions because the same could be done toward a female rape victim, and sexual assault is no less serious if the victim is male. If on the other hand he enjoyed the experience and consented, it wasn't assault. A newspaper article describing the incident doesn't tell me how Brown himself felt. I can certainly understand Pryde's outrage. There is an ingrained assumption that men always want sex. That doesn't mean they don't have the same rights to grant or withhold consent as a woman.

[eissa]

103. She willingly gave a blow job, he willingly received it

Sounds like two consenting adults to me. When/if he expresses any displeasure with what happened, then I'll happily join in the call for this woman's arrest.

[Jamastiene]

134. Precisely.

Until he, himself, says this was an assault, then how can anyone else claim it was. Only he can tell everyone if he considered it a sexual assault or not.

[gollygee]

105. It sounds like it certainly could have been

Someone needs to ask him if he consented or felt he couldn't do anything about it in front of an audience or something, and did not consent.

[Bake]

106. Jim Morrison got it in the studio while recording, so the legend goes ...

Bake

[datasuspect]

118. inserting

(i said "INSERT&quot a bill clinton reference would be way to easy when it comes to blow jobs in the workplace.

[Bake]

122. I believe that's called "low hanging fruit."

And I swear I didn't intend that as a pun ...



Bake

[pscot]

110. The quintessential DU discussion thread: K&R

Thanks for posting.

[Aerows]

114. She got on stage

she managed to open his pants, and managed to blow him on stage. This was obviously planned. Do you not think that Beyonce would have his ass thrown off stage before he even got on it if he tried to do it to her?

No.

Let's not be naive. This was a publicity stunt.

[Marcuse]

119. The absence of an objection

is not necessarily the equivalent of consent, but Danny hasn't complained yet. Perhaps he is still traumatized.

[MrScorpio]

115. The show must go on! nt

[Rex]

120. My speculation is

that it was staged.

[L0oniX]

124. This should be locked ....mods are falling down on the job here.

[Apophis]

126. What mods?

It's all hosts and juries here.

[cali]

129. why? on what grounds should it be locked?

[Comrade Grumpy]

132. Sheer idiocy.

[kwassa]

140. Stupidity has never been a criterion.

In copious quantities here in GD.

[Animal Chin]

125. If it were a dude who came up on stage to do that

I'm sure he would have found a way to get away.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

127. ^^^THIS^^^

explains why it was NOT assault... he could have stopped her LONG before she started and probably at just about any time she was 'busy'

sP

[Jamastiene]

135. ^^THIS! n/t

[Comrade Grumpy]

128. It's a good thing we're all out of other important issues to discuss.

[Jamastiene]

130. Probably not assault.

He could have moved away if he did not want that to happen. I can't see the rationale that would make someone believe this was an assault.

[Nye Bevan]

131. He might have been drunk or high, so not in a position to give consent.

This could have been a case of a sexual predator noticing an opportunity and taking it.

I note that there seems to be quite a lot of "blame the victim" sentiment in this thread.

[Number23]

136. Sounds like assault to me.

[Sissyk]

137. I'm not seeing what Danny Brown had to say.

If he feels it was sexual assault and he didn't give consent, then it was sexual assault.

[Honeycombe8]

141. Not assault. That's silly to even say that. Makes a mockery of real assault.

When he didn't object in any way, either through words or actions, he effectively consented.

He and she should both have been arrested, since what they did is against the law. They weren't?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

142. How insulting this is to every person out there who were ever sexually assaulted.

I get that some 'brilliant' writer thought this would lure in eyes and created hits/paper sales. Not really. This is the handy work of a PR tool. But, seriously, who would by this for even half a second?

It's like a I always say, context is everything. In this case the context is so twisted it's become a contortionist.

On Edit: Before anyone decides to feign outrage at my words you may want to look at these pics/vids: http://gawker.com/was-danny-brown-sexually-assaulted-when-a-woman-blew-hi-487293514

Note how he's holding the back of her head in pic that's linked off Gawker? Yep, that's a sure sign he wanted it to stop.

This fake assault angle, it's just being spread about to make sure more people hear about his public blow job and he gets his fair share of kudos. Which will lead to a competition among his fans as to who can be the next one to be tweeted about.