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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:20 PM May 2013

Maddow Calls Bush Library’s ‘DECISION POINTS’ Game ‘A NATIONAL SCANDAL’


After picking apart the former president’s defense of Iraq point for point, Maddow shifted to footage of elementary school students taking part in the Bush library’s game. “This is how kids, right now, today, are being taught about that part of our nation’s history,” Maddow concluded. “I kind of think this is a national scandal.”




In the newly commissioned George W. Bush Presidential Library on the campus of Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, a peculiar display has the political world buzzing. In this display, called “Decision Points,” participants play a game where they’re forced to make the same decisions President Bush did. On the issue of Iraq, there’s even a wholly new video message from the former president, who comes out when participants choose not to invade the country.


Just imagine if President Bill Clinton set up a whole interactive display at his presidential library designed to convince viewers that his biggest scandal wasn’t that bad either, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow said Wednesday night. Or President Richard Nixon basing his library around an exhibit illustrating how he really, really wasn’t a crook.


“There have been all kinds of vague print press descriptions about this game,” Maddow said. “That it lets you decide. It sensitively handles the various controversies of the Bush presidency by letting you decide. No.”



On the first day the library was opened to the public, Maddow’s camera crew was ready and waiting to play the “Decision Points” game and put it on film. “It’s amazing,” she said. Video of the exhibit shows what Maddow called “contemporary George W. Bush, recently, still making the case for invading Iraq.” He even cites “the weight of evidence” that former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and the “consensus of the world” to depose him — both of which were and still are fabrications.

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Maddow Calls Bush Library’s ‘DECISION POINTS’ Game ‘A NATIONAL SCANDAL’ (Original Post) Segami May 2013 OP
It should be, but it's not. Dawson Leery May 2013 #1
A counter-Bush library should be built Ilsa May 2013 #2
Actually, a sculpture of a pair of iron pants, perpetually on fire, would suffice. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #5
Right! But then they'll just make up sh/t and tblue May 2013 #9
Built? jmowreader May 2013 #12
And in that FEMA trailer you could have... tex-wyo-dem May 2013 #13
Warning: don't go the bush Lie factory in Texas if you're one Cha May 2013 #3
I would go there to see the fountain. Martin Eden May 2013 #4
Which reminds me... Jamaal510 May 2013 #17
He's free to tell any lie he wants to tell. Solly Mack May 2013 #6
And why wont Democrats prosecute him? They are in on the game. They get paid by the same rhett o rick May 2013 #7
A lot of people enabled Bush during his reign. Solly Mack May 2013 #18
Where to start. First the American people are apparently willing to become slaves before they even rhett o rick May 2013 #20
You are so right! creativebliss May 2013 #25
WMD don't mean anything, it was a immoral decision dem in texas May 2013 #8
You Make A Good Point DallasNE May 2013 #15
One can look at it another way DearAbby May 2013 #10
The segment (from YouTube) Jack Rabbit May 2013 #11
What you are not understanding here... jmowreader May 2013 #14
"Your Chief of Staff has just informed you the US is under attack. What do you do?" KansDem May 2013 #16
He is thinking, "I knew it, I knew it, that bastard Cheney." nm rhett o rick May 2013 #22
That or a wheel with a dead hamster inside. sakabatou May 2013 #33
And that. rhett o rick May 2013 #35
As much as I joke about him... awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #40
Bush's theater looks like a cross between 1955 Soviet propaganda and Bill Murray in "What About Bob" Scuba May 2013 #19
bring a can of Mountain Dew and get in free olddots May 2013 #21
I wonder if the DimSon even understand how Poppy and Cheney set him up rhett o rick May 2013 #23
But unlike W, you won't be richly rewarded for thinking inside the box Blue Owl May 2013 #24
I am so happy it was Rachel that exposed this and called it what it is creativebliss May 2013 #26
Well I just have to say... humbled_opinion May 2013 #27
Y'know, I live only five miles as the crow flies from that "Presidential" Library... derby378 May 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author subject May 2013 #37
. blkmusclmachine May 2013 #29
We live in an approved banana republic. Rex May 2013 #30
I completely agree. Students should only be taken there to see Attempts to Rewrite History Overseas May 2013 #31
The term presidential 'library' is a misnomer. They're actually more like amusement parks. reformist2 May 2013 #32
K&R summerschild May 2013 #34
they left out the decisions to use paid-for "intelligence" on Iraq, and using "intelligence" ginned Bill USA May 2013 #36
So they're making the Iraq war a game now? Lovely. Initech May 2013 #38
background checks polynomial May 2013 #39
Well, when they said they thought history would judge W fairly... Beartracks May 2013 #41

tblue

(16,350 posts)
9. Right! But then they'll just make up sh/t and
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:55 PM
May 2013

build their own next to the Clinton, Carter, and Kennedy libraries. Remember, if we bring a knife to a fight, they bring a bazooka, and use it too.

jmowreader

(53,190 posts)
12. Built?
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:06 AM
May 2013

You could put a counter-Bush library in one of the trailers FEMA sent to Louisiana after Katrina...well, a trailer LIKE one of them, because the trailers they really sent have so much mold in them they're hazardous to be in. You'd put computers to look up Bush facts and flat-screens playing the truth about America's first dictator.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
13. And in that FEMA trailer you could have...
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:14 AM
May 2013

A copy of "My Pet Goat" and pictures of Iraqi childeren with their legs blown off and floating bodies in NOLA.

Pretty much sums up the bushie disaster.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
3. Warning: don't go the bush Lie factory in Texas if you're one
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:50 PM
May 2013

those Americans who takes exception to the brainwashing techniques of republicons.

Solly Mack

(96,940 posts)
6. He's free to tell any lie he wants to tell.
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:16 PM
May 2013

and that's the true national scandal.... that he is free - and not in prison where he belongs.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. And why wont Democrats prosecute him? They are in on the game. They get paid by the same
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:40 PM
May 2013

1%. The corruption goes on and on.

The revolution is waiting.

Solly Mack

(96,940 posts)
18. A lot of people enabled Bush during his reign.
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:57 PM
May 2013

A lot of those people were in Congress. (and some still remain in Congress)

Prosecuting the Bush era war crimes would have to include those who enabled him. (aiding and abetting)

I also think corruption is the root cause for the lack of prosecutions.

For me, it isn't about party - regardless of party, those who aided and abetted Bush in any way - to include affirmative votes that allowed for Bush's crimes and abuses of power, for example - should be held accountable for their actions. For me, it is a people thing, a human thing, a decency thing. It's the right thing to do.

I used to believe America was strong enough to survive prosecuting a President, and truth be told I still do - but all the craven whines I've read over the years and all the cowardly rationalizations for not prosecuting, as well as the just plain doormat acceptance of government corruption, give me pause. Maybe America can't survive holding its government accountable because many Americans would rather cling to their comforting delusions ("we're #1", "we're the good guys", "we care about human rights", etc..) about their country and government. Maybe America and (many) Americans are just that weak of character. That lacking of integrity.

Maybe they just don't care that people were tortured, even tortured to death. Maybe they don't care when government abuses the power of office. Maybe they just don't care, full stop.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
20. Where to start. First the American people are apparently willing to become slaves before they even
Fri May 3, 2013, 02:28 PM
May 2013

pay attention. Even then a good share will blame the intellectuals and opt for a dictator when things get real tough.

Third the political corruption is so systemic that it is almost an impossible task to weed it out. Where do you find enough honest politicians with guts enough to do the right thing. Pres Obama not only will not prosecute the war criminals, some think he may pardon them.

D. The problem isnt the Republicans, they are simply a tool, but the capitalistic corporatists. And not only has our president not fought them, he openly embraces them.

> Things have been getting worse for the last 40 years, yet the American public still drinks the koolaide, still watches NBC and CNN and swallows the propaganda. I do not see this turning around. I do not see strong progressive leaders that are strong enough to fight for our freedoms. At some point the 1% Elite will decide it's time for a revolution and turn their brown shirts loose.

Please, please, when they come for the intellectuals fight like hell.

dem in texas

(2,681 posts)
8. WMD don't mean anything, it was a immoral decision
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:49 PM
May 2013

The fact that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction (if Bush really believed this) should not have ever come into to the decision. It was a totally immoral decision. Do we kill people who have not attacked us or provoked us in any way? American should take this war as a lesson not to trust and believe everything that the top officials tell you. There was underlying greed to get the oil in Iraq, racism and wanting revenge for 9/11, this was real reasons for the Iraq war. The story of WMD was cooked up and the American people were lied to and as a result thousands of innocent women and children were killed.

The so called "journalists" of the day really let the American people down by not doing a better job in reporting what was really going on. They should hang their heads in shame. The ministers in the churches in the US should also hang their heads in shame for not speaking out against this war.

DallasNE

(8,007 posts)
15. You Make A Good Point
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:29 AM
May 2013

If Saddam had WMD he would have had them for a couple of decades so what was the rush to war. Also, the UN inspectors had been on the ground for months and certified to the UN that there were no WMD or even a nuclear program so we knew for certain that Saddam did not have WMD. Lastly, the Congressional authorization for use of forces specified it was limited to Saddam not giving the UN inspectors full access. That means that the war Bush fought was not the war Congress authorized. That has never been hammered home like it should be.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
10. One can look at it another way
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:55 PM
May 2013

How pathetic your term was when you are still making the case for your blunder.

jmowreader

(53,190 posts)
14. What you are not understanding here...
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:23 AM
May 2013

is this George W. Bush Presidential Library actually contains two parts.

The first is like every other presidential library: it's a museum of Bush's administration. All right, all right, we know that a museum of Bush's administration should actually be a prison with every member of Bush's administration in it, open to the public, so we can throw shoes, rotten eggs, tomatoes and other such things at them. (And after they die, we take them to taxidermists and return their stuffed carcasses to their cells so people can continue to throw things at them.) But a museum it is.

The other part is the George W. Bush Institute. This no other president has, or needs. The mission of the George W. Bush Institute is to rehabilitate Shrub's standing in the world. In twenty or so years, if the Institute does its job thoroughly and well, we'll know Bush was a fine, upstanding president who fixed all America's problems rather than the worthless piece of shit who caused a hell of a lot of them we currently know he is. I think they look at Nixon's transformation and think, "we can do that to George W. Bush!" not realizing two things: Nixon rehabilitated himself rather than having people make up shit about him, and even after Nixon's rehabilitation everyone still thinks he's a scumbag. (Just not quite as big a scumbag as he once was.)

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
16. "Your Chief of Staff has just informed you the US is under attack. What do you do?"
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:14 PM
May 2013

[center]

TAKE NO ACTION
TAKE NO ACTION
TAKE NO ACTION
[/center]

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
40. As much as I joke about him...
Sun May 5, 2013, 04:37 PM
May 2013

I don't think he was as dumb as he acted- it was all part of the cover.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
19. Bush's theater looks like a cross between 1955 Soviet propaganda and Bill Murray in "What About Bob"
Fri May 3, 2013, 02:18 PM
May 2013
 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
21. bring a can of Mountain Dew and get in free
Fri May 3, 2013, 02:36 PM
May 2013

Its just going to be another Reagan Library =

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
23. I wonder if the DimSon even understand how Poppy and Cheney set him up
Fri May 3, 2013, 02:39 PM
May 2013

and ran him like a model train.

creativebliss

(69 posts)
26. I am so happy it was Rachel that exposed this and called it what it is
Fri May 3, 2013, 04:12 PM
May 2013

- a national scandal!

She is the number 2 most watched late night news anchor after all. This time mainstream media got it right and I'm glad they did because lots of people tuned in...and hopefully turned on!

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
27. Well I just have to say...
Fri May 3, 2013, 05:58 PM
May 2013

I would love to visit a similar display at Clinton's Library particularly if it was interactive..... LOL.... J/K....

derby378

(30,262 posts)
28. Y'know, I live only five miles as the crow flies from that "Presidential" Library...
Fri May 3, 2013, 06:10 PM
May 2013

Maybe I should take the time to head down there, play the game, and let Herr Decider lecture me on how his "international coalition" (remember that scene from Fahrenheit 9/11?) did the right thing in storming Iraq on trumped-up evidence of WMDs.

After all, it's my patriotic duty to do so. Wouldn't want to let my Uncle Sam down.

Response to derby378 (Reply #28)

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
31. I completely agree. Students should only be taken there to see Attempts to Rewrite History
Sat May 4, 2013, 11:31 AM
May 2013

It should only be as a demonstration of the ways in which people seek to distort reality. Students should be given some documentary footage to take with them about what was actually going on and then they can learn more about how wealthy right wing radicals try to rewrite history.

I was amazed by Melissa Harris-Perry's expose on the Decision Points' Hurricane Katrina section in which W's big decision was apparently What to do about Looters and Lawlessness !! So outrageous and racist.

Why not highlight the earlier Decision Point-- whether to appoint your best buddy the horse trainer to lead the Federal Emergency Management Authority of the United States of America or choose someone with actual experience in managing emergencies. Or the other one about Whether to go to John McCain's birthday party or visit the disaster area.

And if the library really wants to highlight Decision Points -- Why not start with Election 2000 ? And why not make itself more newsworthy with an update on how Sandra Day O'Connor now feels about her Year 2000 Decision Point?

And then go on to the Bush administration's decision to tell the national intelligence teams obsessed with Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to chill out and focus on reasons we should invade Iraq instead.

And the Bush administration's decision to ignore the August 6th PDB, and all the other warnings that summer.

And gosh, how about a Decision Points section about follow the Nuremberg Principles or Torture? Hmmm...

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
32. The term presidential 'library' is a misnomer. They're actually more like amusement parks.
Sat May 4, 2013, 11:37 AM
May 2013

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
36. they left out the decisions to use paid-for "intelligence" on Iraq, and using "intelligence" ginned
Sat May 4, 2013, 05:44 PM
May 2013

up by the non-professional screw-balls in the "Office of Special Plans" .. a fake office in the Pentagon set up at WH's (Pres Cheney's direction).

recommended!!

polynomial

(750 posts)
39. background checks
Sun May 5, 2013, 02:01 PM
May 2013

After all these years the news Journalists knows the background and does the checks necessary to develop true honest news. Do you see the point that is shouting out at everyone!

The background checks for guns, politicians, CEO’s or the business banksters in the securities industry are of another kind. Especially the background checks for war or WMD’s.

The rules in crime are not balanced at all, especially in background checks. Heck being gay and proclaiming this secret stuff, in the sense of coming out of the closet means Rachael Maddow is O.K. She should be considered one of us the ninety percent straight claim to know all there is to know about background stuff. Making the six figure paycheck can scratch a lot off the list. Just watch Maddow scratch her paper work.

Even though gay persons have been involved with centuries of hidden basic tyranny in government, religion or infested in education loaded with secret closet stuff. Can you hear me now, as in you can trust me now.

The shade of your skin as dark or black can be with the cylinder of a few Marry Jane sticks has a different effect then, as the CEO’s or security person that swindles billions in corporate money screwing swindling pension funds through deception and then write a check for a fine. Walking away without a wrinkle or worry knowing the real story was never told. That was not always the straight stuff.

In other words the background checks have always been a biased consciously divisive, warped, politically motivated, for profit news tool where news journalists are falling on their derriere. Don’t forget the media brought America to where we are at right now.

The scandal goes both ways Maddow the media and current political swindling share the same dysfunctional reality they bring the news with full knowledge that the incomplete parts are as good as it gets. For the one percenters.

Beartracks

(14,591 posts)
41. Well, when they said they thought history would judge W fairly...
Sun May 5, 2013, 08:05 PM
May 2013

... they planned on being the ones to write the history.

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