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Two More Perps Sentenced in The Steubenville Rape Case (Original Post) riqster May 2013 OP
Oh, GOOD. CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #1
I want to see that Michael Nodianos CREEP get the smirk wiped off fitman May 2013 #2
+1 redqueen May 2013 #3
He among many riqster May 2013 #8
+100 freshwest May 2013 #32
Is Nodianos Still in Hiding? dballance May 2013 #26
Is he the one on the cell phone video? Warren DeMontague May 2013 #36
Wanna bet this is just barely mentioned by CNN? "CNN the worst news team on the planet next to FOX" gordianot May 2013 #4
Candy Crowley and Poppy Harlow can have a two-hour, prime time special riqster May 2013 #5
Come on; "CNN is committed to cover all sides of a story just in case one happens to be accurate!": Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #16
+++ what a perfect line. :) Whisp May 2013 #30
6 months PROBATION. That will show them! AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #6
A big improvement over marions ghost May 2013 #7
This is not punishment. This is pretend punishment. It is not a "historic paradigm shift." AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #9
I don't think they're laughing marions ghost May 2013 #14
If they weren't psychopaths, they wouldn't have made the threats in the first place. EOTE May 2013 #17
GWB is a psychopath marions ghost May 2013 #18
Threatening an innocent person is aggressive behavior. EOTE May 2013 #20
In Steubenville, Rape has almost never even been acknowledged, let alone punished. riqster May 2013 #15
^^^^This^^^ riqster May 2013 #10
That's how I see it marions ghost May 2013 #12
OK jberryhill May 2013 #11
Suggestions justhanginon May 2013 #19
What do you think should be the sentence for a juvenile who threatens someone? gollygee May 2013 #13
Because the two threatened homicide and bodily harm against a girl raped by two high school football AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #21
Two days in adult jail? gollygee May 2013 #22
We're going to agree? Isn't that against the rules somewhere? AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #23
It fits the crime, though LittleBlue May 2013 #24
"the judge gave the girls a light sentence". Yea, but more meaningful than milk and cookies. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #25
Question on Job Application Form: MineralMan May 2013 #27
Possibly not. riqster May 2013 #28
Usually it says, "Have you been convicted of a felony?" davidn3600 May 2013 #34
get that sleazeball coach! that Reno guy. Whisp May 2013 #29
Yup. Need to get them. Those great role models, huh. freshwest May 2013 #33
The mother of one of the "crew" was the local prosecutor, right? Warren DeMontague May 2013 #37
Thanks for the update. Now to move higher up the food chain. There's a lot more need to serve time. freshwest May 2013 #31
The grand jury has been empaneled riqster May 2013 #35
That town needs a lot of sunshine on it to get cleaned up. This thing was a disgrace. freshwest May 2013 #38
 

fitman

(482 posts)
2. I want to see that Michael Nodianos CREEP get the smirk wiped off
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:12 AM
May 2013

his face with a charge of not reporting a crime.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
8. He among many
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:56 AM
May 2013

The coach, the local PA, the Sheriff, parents, and all the kids who watched and did nothing.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
26. Is Nodianos Still in Hiding?
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:43 PM
May 2013

I recall he had to drop out of college and go into hiding because of death threats, etc. All due to his very inappropriate video on YouTube. So there is some justice in the world, even if he doesn't get charged with anything.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
5. Candy Crowley and Poppy Harlow can have a two-hour, prime time special
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:50 AM
May 2013

...in which they bemoan the damage done to these two bullying little Heathers.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,788 posts)
16. Come on; "CNN is committed to cover all sides of a story just in case one happens to be accurate!":
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:17 PM
May 2013

"CNN has a commitment to cover all sides of a story just in case one happens to be accurate!" -- President Barack Obama

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
6. 6 months PROBATION. That will show them!
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:51 AM
May 2013

And when they become adults, they can then have their records expunged and/or sealed.

Sorry if I'm not buying it.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
7. A big improvement over
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:55 AM
May 2013

doing nothing, don't ya think?

This is a historic paradigm shift. To actually address the experience of the victim and punish those who violated and threatened. It's a step in the right direction.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
9. This is not punishment. This is pretend punishment. It is not a "historic paradigm shift."
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:01 PM
May 2013

They got away with it.

They are probably laughing about it. Their friends are probably laughing about it as well. They know that they got away with it.

A "big improvement"? Yea, if you like pretend punishment.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
14. I don't think they're laughing
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:09 PM
May 2013

It sends a message. This is a blot on them. If they're not psychopaths, they will feel ashamed.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
17. If they weren't psychopaths, they wouldn't have made the threats in the first place.
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:20 PM
May 2013

And now they've learned the lesson that if their psychopathic behavior continues into adulthood, they may have to go through that whole awful ordeal of being put on probation a few months. This is how George W. Bushes are created.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
18. GWB is a psychopath
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:33 PM
May 2013

I agree.

Whether these girls are is an open question. People can be aggressive and nasty without being psychopaths. Some can be straightened out early, some can't. Yes if they're psychopaths they will continue their cruel and exploitative behavior. But without evaluating them personally we can't know that.

I know what you're saying--to let such people "get by" is wrong. But if they are true psychopaths they are awfully clever at getting by and will work around any such obstacles. You're right, our society puts up with them far too much. To our detriment. We do need to call out these behaviors as socially unacceptable.

The first step is holding these kinds of bad kids accountable, which they never have been before.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
20. Threatening an innocent person is aggressive behavior.
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:41 PM
May 2013

Threatening a rape victim for speaking out is outrageously sick. Threatening a rape victim with DEATH is psychopathic. I almost think that giving those two awful excuses for human beings a joke of a punishment is worse than giving them nothing at all. Now they think that if they do similar things in the future AND they get caught doing it, THIS is what awaits them. That's sick. I just don't think these girls will learn anything from this particular lesson. Those girls should be locked away for a good while.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
15. In Steubenville, Rape has almost never even been acknowledged, let alone punished.
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:12 PM
May 2013

I suppose you think that it is possible to magically overcome a paradigm that took over a century to create in a single instant?

It would be just for all those who committed these crimes and those associated with them to be punished more severely. But unless you have a realistic plan for implementing such a complete change in law, culture, institutions and attitudes, I suggest you stop crapping on the locals who are finally doing something, however inadequate it may seem to us, about the problem.

Any punishment is better than no punishment. And for many a decade, no punishment is what happened there.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
10. ^^^^This^^^
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:01 PM
May 2013

Read about the Steubenville rape culture: it goes back for many years. Traci Lords was a second-generation rape survivor in that town (her mother before her was also raped there). http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ex-porn-star-lords-raped-steubenville-article-1.1289435

Any punishment is an improvement over the status quo.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
12. That's how I see it
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:06 PM
May 2013

and the article doesn't surprise me. The status quo was, "got raped? fugeddaboutit."

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. OK
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:03 PM
May 2013

Just as a benchmark, what do you propose should be the mandatory minimum jail time and/or other terms imposed on a teenager who makes a verbal threat against another? And are you prepared for the social resources which will be required to uniformly impose that sentence and/or other terms?

justhanginon

(3,287 posts)
19. Suggestions
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:36 PM
May 2013

How about in this case, maybe a sentence including community service in a rape crisis center. How about a walk through in the local juvenile center and seeing what they just missed out on or perhaps even spending a few days there. Just to maybe get their attention. They were old enough to know better and need to know real consequences for these type of actions.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
13. What do you think should be the sentence for a juvenile who threatens someone?
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:07 PM
May 2013

That sounds like a reasonable penalty to me for that crime. They absolutely needed to be charged wtih a crime, and I'm glad they did, but they don't need to go to prison for threatening someone, especially as juveniles. There will be conditions to their probation, including maybe mental health counseling or something.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
21. Because the two threatened homicide and bodily harm against a girl raped by two high school football
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:43 PM
May 2013

players, and then had their charges dropped for intimidation of a witness and aggravated menacing in exchange for pleading guilty to a misdemeanor, Ohio law provides that they could have received a JAIL (not prison) sentence for up to six months.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2929.24

You want to know what I think should be the sentence? Really? Since you ask, I should think that the probation should be accompanied by a minimum of two days in jail to make the probation credible. These are not bankers or war criminals who are entitled to governmental protection and should not spend even a day in jail.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
22. Two days in adult jail?
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:46 PM
May 2013

How old are they? I can see two days somewhere (either jail or juvie) to let it sink in what path they're on. You and I aren't as far apart as I thought when I read your earlier post.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
24. It fits the crime, though
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:13 PM
May 2013

They're minors and once the police determined that they didn't actually intend her bodily harm, the judge gave the girls a light sentence. We already have enough of a prison society as it is. Probation will keep them on good behavior, at least for six months.

If they had actually made realistic plans to do her harm, then I would say a prison/juve sentence is warranted.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
27. Question on Job Application Form:
Fri May 3, 2013, 02:00 PM
May 2013
Have you even been arrested and convicted for a crime? (Yes) (No)
If Yes, provide details. ________________________________________________________________________

I guess these girls will have to answer "Yes." Looks like long careers at minimum wage jobs for those two, assuming they can find a job at all. 6 months probation may not seem like much, but this will follow those two air-heads around for the rest of their lives.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
28. Possibly not.
Fri May 3, 2013, 02:15 PM
May 2013

Many such offenses can be sealed, especially if they were juvenile offenses. Depends on the charge and disposition.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
29. get that sleazeball coach! that Reno guy.
Fri May 3, 2013, 02:17 PM
May 2013

get the adults who were in positions of authority! this is small potatoes! I want to see some freaking adult heads roll.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
37. The mother of one of the "crew" was the local prosecutor, right?
Fri May 3, 2013, 10:57 PM
May 2013

Isn't there some question of her trying to dissuade the victim from pressing charges?

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