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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Sat May 4, 2013, 12:24 PM May 2013

Harvard Professor TRASHES Keynes For Homosexuality


Harvard Professor and author Niall Ferguson says John Maynard Keynes' economic philosophy was flawed and he didn't care about future generations because he was gay and didn't have children.







- Speaking at the Tenth Annual Altegris Conference in Carlsbad, Calif., in front of a group of more than 500 financial advisors and investors, Ferguson responded to a question about Keynes' famous philosophy of self-interest versus the economic philosophy of Edmund Burke, who believed there was a social contract among the living, as well as the dead. Ferguson asked the audience how many children Keynes had. He explained that Keynes had none because he was a homosexual and was married to a ballerina, with whom he likely talked of "poetry" rather than procreated. The audience went quiet at the remark. Some attendees later said they found the remarks offensive.



It gets worse.



Ferguson, who is the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History at Harvard University, and author of The Great Degeneration: How Institutions Decay and Economies Die, says it's only logical that Keynes would take this selfish worldview because he was an "effete" member of society. Apparently, in Ferguson's world, if you are gay or childless, you cannot care about future generations nor society.



This takes gay-bashing to new heights. It even perversely pins the full weight of the financial crisis on the gay community and the barren.



Not only is this intellectually void, it's mad. And anyone with a moral conscience should be outraged. It is one thing to take issue with a society fueled by self interest and one fueled by a larger ethic. But it's entirely vulgar to make this argument about sexual preference -- and to do so glibly.


cont'




http://www.fa-mag.com/news/harvard-professor-gay-bashes-keynes-14173.html





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Harvard Professor TRASHES Keynes For Homosexuality (Original Post) Segami May 2013 OP
nucken futs libodem May 2013 #1
Damn. His books are so good, but the guy keeps being a complete tool Recursion May 2013 #2
"His books are good"? truebluegreen May 2013 #9
"The Pity of War" and "The Ascent of Money" are good Recursion May 2013 #15
It explains oh so much doesn't it MattBaggins May 2013 #21
I'm a historian. a la izquierda May 2013 #11
Logorrhea. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #12
Yes. a la izquierda May 2013 #13
Which ones have you read? Recursion May 2013 #16
Ahh, I didn't read The Pity. a la izquierda May 2013 #20
I'm convinced he trades on his looks BainsBane May 2013 #25
I guess he's good looking to some. a la izquierda May 2013 #27
+1000 truebluegreen May 2013 #28
Its offensive to all people who are unmarried and childless, undeterred May 2013 #3
As I've said before ... GeorgeGist May 2013 #4
I fear that the reputation of the Ivy League schools has been a little tarnished Buns_of_Fire May 2013 #8
Good. cali May 2013 #5
I agree cali. He has outed himself out. Can't put the toothpaste back into the tube. Segami May 2013 #6
I hope it sticks. cali May 2013 #7
Quite a few Harvard Professors are there because of big corp. donors Yavin4 May 2013 #10
Harvard meets Bob Jones gejohnston May 2013 #14
He's in a mixed marriage Recursion May 2013 #18
That guy has been on my nerves for a long time. BainsBane May 2013 #17
Turd Ferguson shows his real colors. Ikonoklast May 2013 #19
Now, now, Ferguson has apologized. Bolo Boffin May 2013 #22
A further detail emerges: Keynes' wife miscarried muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #23
Same guy who wrote that african americans would probably find their calling in administering applegrove May 2013 #24
Who is the idiot who would be convinced by "Keynes was gay? Well that PROVES he was wrong!" ck4829 May 2013 #26
Fuck him malaise May 2013 #29
 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
9. "His books are good"?
Sat May 4, 2013, 02:22 PM
May 2013

OK. That answers a lot of questions.

Are you sure you are in the right place?

a la izquierda

(12,374 posts)
20. Ahh, I didn't read The Pity.
Sat May 4, 2013, 05:14 PM
May 2013

I read Colossus and Civilization. He isn't so much wordy as "I'm brilliant, read me and all my brilliant, one-of-a-kind brilliance."

Blerg. Tell a good story, dammit. That's what historians are supposed to do. I'll take an HH Bancroft or Herbert Bolton book any day. Flawed, but good stories.

a la izquierda

(12,374 posts)
27. I guess he's good looking to some.
Sat May 4, 2013, 09:01 PM
May 2013

Me personally, I'll take a Richard Wolfe over Niall Ferguson any day. The only thing interesting about him is his name.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
3. Its offensive to all people who are unmarried and childless,
Sat May 4, 2013, 12:36 PM
May 2013

not just gay people. And its a childish argument that you wouldn't expect to hear from a professor.

Buns_of_Fire

(19,194 posts)
8. I fear that the reputation of the Ivy League schools has been a little tarnished
Sat May 4, 2013, 02:22 PM
May 2013

ever since we learned that George W. Shit-fer-Brains somehow got a Harvard MBA. Not to mention another illustrious Harvard graduate, Ted Cruz.

But then, it's not as if a lot of these places are about education, anyway. They're about connections.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
6. I agree cali. He has outed himself out. Can't put the toothpaste back into the tube.
Sat May 4, 2013, 12:41 PM
May 2013

He owns it now.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. I hope it sticks.
Sat May 4, 2013, 12:54 PM
May 2013

other things haven't.

do you know who he's married to? Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

here are his economic beliefs:

In its 15 August 2005 edition, The New Republic published "The New New Deal", an essay by Ferguson and Laurence J. Kotlikoff, a Professor of Economics at Boston University. The two scholars called for the following changes to the American government's fiscal and income security policies:

Replacing the personal income tax, corporate income tax, Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax (FICA), estate tax, and gift tax with a 33% Federal Retail Sales Tax (FRST), plus a monthly rebate, amounting to the FRST a household with similar demographics would pay if its income were at the poverty line. See also: FairTax
Replacing the Old Age benefits paid under Social Security with a Personal Security System, consisting of private retirement accounts for all citizens, plus a government benefit payable to those whose savings were insufficient to afford a minimum retirement income
Replacing Medicare and Medicaid with a Medical Security System that would provide health insurance vouchers to all citizens, the value of which would be determined by one's health
Cutting federal discretionary spending by 20%

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
10. Quite a few Harvard Professors are there because of big corp. donors
Sat May 4, 2013, 02:26 PM
May 2013

Harvard whores out intellectualism.

Bolo Boffin

(23,872 posts)
22. Now, now, Ferguson has apologized.
Sat May 4, 2013, 05:28 PM
May 2013

These remarks were "off-the-cuff" and he apologized without reservations today.

He has not yet apologized for making the same kind of off-the-cuff remarks about Keynes in his 1999 book "The Pity of War," but I'm sure he'll get around to it soon.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,425 posts)
23. A further detail emerges: Keynes' wife miscarried
Sat May 4, 2013, 06:29 PM
May 2013

Imagine if Ferguson had said this about people still alive.

In 1926, Mr Keynes married Lydia Lopokova, a Russian ballerina, and Prof Ferguson also said he had forgotten that she had miscarried.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22417231

applegrove

(132,726 posts)
24. Same guy who wrote that african americans would probably find their calling in administering
Sat May 4, 2013, 08:45 PM
May 2013

American corporations abroad. He's obviously tapped into what passes for a heart within the GOP 'intellectuals' and their fantasies.

ck4829

(37,978 posts)
26. Who is the idiot who would be convinced by "Keynes was gay? Well that PROVES he was wrong!"
Sat May 4, 2013, 08:56 PM
May 2013

I want to call this stupid, but I'm pretty sure that would be offensive to everyone and everything that is stupid.

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