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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun May 5, 2013, 05:37 AM May 2013

If you are a pro-gun DUer, what are you doing to oppose the NRA?

Glenn Beck was the keynote speaker at the NRA insanity convention: Bloomberg is a Nazi
and more news out of that vile little get together.

Conservative firebrand Glenn Beck took aim squarely at New York City and its mayor Saturday night

Delivering the keynote address at the National Rifle Association convention, Beck suggested that the Big Apple’s slogan under Mayor Bloomberg should be, “You Will Heart New York” — and he flashed a graphic of a man making a Hitler-esque salute.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hundreds-kids-play-guns-nra-convention-article-1.1335250


On Friday, the convention felt like a mini-CPAC, in that several potential presidential candidates took turns on the stage — Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Perry — or appeared in video form, as Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan did. Perhaps that explains the feeling of doom amid glorious triumph, because the gun legislation victory came just a few months after devastating electoral defeat. And so there were many displays of masculine swagger, enough to show that all these tough young guns could take on all of the week young gun-grabbers currently occupying the White House. Perry was introduced with a comically over-the-top video of himself showing great manliness while shooting at targets and wearing safety equipment. There's that GIF above, but you need the Ted Nugent soundtrack for full effect:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/05/nra-convention-2013/64875/

he NRA is supposed to be a non-partisan group. But in the second night of its annual meeting and exhibition, the catalog of speakers–including Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Scott Walker, Ted Cruz and John Bolton–and the rhetoric espoused by them, does not point to non-partisanship. Instead, it points to a deeper and more aggressive embrace of the far right.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/05/03/the-nra-moves-dangerously-far-to-the-right/






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If you are a pro-gun DUer, what are you doing to oppose the NRA? (Original Post) cali May 2013 OP
Not A Gun Owner - Nor A NRA Member - Shunning And Shaming Every NRA Member I Meet cantbeserious May 2013 #1
Unless they tell you, premium May 2013 #6
People Are Eager To Share Their Hobbies cantbeserious May 2013 #9
That hasn't been my experience, premium May 2013 #10
Hobby doesn't equal membership NutmegYankee May 2013 #12
Get'em Talking - The Topic Will Come Up cantbeserious May 2013 #16
Are you an NRA member? ellisonz May 2013 #29
No, premium May 2013 #34
Gun culture - whether formal NRA members or free-riders - still gladly benefit from these Hoyt May 2013 #81
So predictable Hoyt, premium May 2013 #87
you need some new material snooper2 May 2013 #102
You need a new hobby/cause besides guns. Hoyt May 2013 #105
GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUNG GUNG DUNG DUNG dung? snooper2 May 2013 #107
zzzzz Katashi_itto May 2013 #108
Evidently, nothing. russspeakeasy May 2013 #2
yeah, the response from our pro-gun compratiots here, is underwhelming. cali May 2013 #4
I don't belong to this group, premium May 2013 #8
They all do the same things: anti-gunners and pro--gunners who are liberals. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #39
Not being a member??? ileus May 2013 #3
How about starting one? cali May 2013 #5
How would you define a 'progressive' 2A group? Xithras May 2013 #109
I'm not doing anything, premium May 2013 #7
Voting for democrats The Straight Story May 2013 #11
Years and years of GOTV and electing Democrats in Western Va. NutmegYankee May 2013 #13
Not a member and I vote for Democrats. rrneck May 2013 #14
I joined the NRA. aikoaiko May 2013 #15
"if it weren't for the NRA I wouldn't be able to own most my firearms." ellisonz May 2013 #33
not a single one of either.. SQUEE May 2013 #35
I've had weapons since I was.... rppper May 2013 #96
About 7 out 10 of my current firearms are configured or use would be banned accessories. aikoaiko May 2013 #45
And what would the effect on your life be if you weren't able to own these? n/t ellisonz May 2013 #89
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #100
5 years ago when you joined the NRA they were saying the same "bad things" about Obama. Robb May 2013 #41
I would say it got worse for the second election aikoaiko May 2013 #42
They worked against Democrats in 2008. And in 2012. Robb May 2013 #48
Not against Democrats who were better than their opponents. aikoaiko May 2013 #50
At what? Robb May 2013 #54
Supporting the 2nd Amendment. aikoaiko May 2013 #55
They support Republicans overwhelmingly. Robb May 2013 #58
Yes I can understand why that is troubling. aikoaiko May 2013 #61
So you're a one issue guy, supporting the other side Robb May 2013 #63
Not at all. I vote Democrat in almost every case. aikoaiko May 2013 #64
You want the Democrats to be more like NRA-approved Republicans? Robb May 2013 #66
Independent of what republicans do, I'd like to see Democrats take gun bans off the table so.. aikoaiko May 2013 #68
they just called the Civil War the "War of Northern Aggression". if you haven't left by now... CreekDog May 2013 #92
Yet, you remain a member. Your money directly supports their actions. Thanks for helping to morningfog May 2013 #75
Technically my dues don't support the Institute for Legislative Action branch of the NRA. aikoaiko May 2013 #82
Technically your distinction is meaningless. morningfog May 2013 #84
I'm sure it is to you. aikoaiko May 2013 #85
Except they do in all but the most literal sense jeff47 May 2013 #88
You do have a point. I'm uneasy with my membership. aikoaiko May 2013 #111
And you think Wayne LaPierre and right wing Board don't call the shots. Hoyt May 2013 #103
I support these guys gejohnston May 2013 #17
Pro gun DUer should be an oxymoron Uzair May 2013 #18
That is, of course, pure bullshit. I'm a gun owner who wouldn't piss on Wayne LaPierre if ... 11 Bravo May 2013 #25
Hilarious Uzair May 2013 #44
I roll up my pants just to visit here anymore Deb May 2013 #57
Nothin' like eating your own kind. nt Honeycombe8 May 2013 #40
Not if they're actually not your kind. n/t Cali_Democrat May 2013 #59
I bet you're lots of laughs at a party! Give me a smile . Come on, now. Gimme a smile. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #70
LOL Cali_Democrat May 2013 #72
Thanks for presenting the ideological totalitarian viewpoint. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #106
I am flummoxed by what appears to be support for the NRA by many here etherealtruth May 2013 #19
Voting for Democrats. nt hack89 May 2013 #20
But you're still a member of the NRA, which works to defeat Democrats. baldguy May 2013 #31
Bookmarked! ellisonz May 2013 #90
Damn good question, Cali. (nt) Paladin May 2013 #21
Fair question sarisataka May 2013 #22
Does the NRA support other RW causes? kudzu22 May 2013 #23
LOL. Now we have one claiming that the NRA isn't a right wing lobby Uzair May 2013 #24
They support Republicans for office BainsBane May 2013 #26
They do support pro-gun democrats kudzu22 May 2013 #27
25 Dems to 236 Republicans BainsBane May 2013 #30
I hear they have a couple black guys, too. baldguy May 2013 #32
You know the nra are bff with groups who DO support Blue_Tires May 2013 #37
They ARE a RW cause - they worked tirelessly to stop Obama being re-elected muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #73
Do you support the NRA? A member? morningfog May 2013 #76
Yes, they support all right-wing causes by funding right-wing candidates. Bjorn Against May 2013 #80
Yes. Look at their board- Norquist, Bolton, North, Nugent, gun profiteers, Hoyt May 2013 #104
Offer training, advice and range time SQUEE May 2013 #28
It is the leadership of the NRA that is the problem. louis-t May 2013 #36
Yes. The responsible gun owners in the NRA SHOULD be calling out the leadership. truebluegreen May 2013 #51
Probably what you do. First and foremost: vote Democratic. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #38
Exactly so. n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #47
I am an NRA member that votes for board members... Stretch714 May 2013 #43
Good luck with that then, my friend. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #46
"I'm gonna change the system from the INSIDE!!11" Robb May 2013 #49
Are you a weapons manufacturer making billions of dollars in profit each year? baldguy May 2013 #52
So we should just give up and not try to change things? Stretch714 May 2013 #65
Did you ever watch Babylon 5? baldguy May 2013 #74
Well, there you go! That's somethin'. A vote. Nothing more powerful. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #71
Thank you for your enabling obstructionist, regressive assholes. morningfog May 2013 #77
Do you pay membership dues? Bjorn Against May 2013 #86
Never allowed a gun in my home... Frustratedlady May 2013 #53
What am I supposed to do besides not belong? I'm doing what I am doing to stop child abuse, TheKentuckian May 2013 #56
Any DUer that supports the NRA should be promptly tombstoned Cali_Democrat May 2013 #60
I don't know why this isn't the policy. morningfog May 2013 #78
Not being a member and supporting things they oppose sir pball May 2013 #62
Poor thing. Are you so "marginalized" that you won't vote Dem? Switching to repug? morningfog May 2013 #79
I guess you missed where I vote straight D sir pball May 2013 #95
I boycott 'em. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #67
I know a lot of gun owners, but I don't know any NRA members. Autumn May 2013 #69
The NRA doesn't speak for me..... Historic NY May 2013 #83
i quit the nra when they started selling ak47`s as hunting rifles madrchsod May 2013 #91
The NRA sells AK-47's? AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #94
If you buy a gun or ammunition, the NRA gets their cut mwrguy May 2013 #93
Personally? Voting for the Democrat regardless of his stance on gun control Recursion May 2013 #97
I think this is a good question Cali. NCTraveler May 2013 #98
the NRA just demonstrated again at their convention G_j May 2013 #99
Pro 2A, I don't even own a gun. Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #101
I'm pro-gun control, and I have a closet-full of guns. Paladin May 2013 #110
 

premium

(3,731 posts)
6. Unless they tell you,
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:25 AM
May 2013

how do you know they're NRA members? What, do you walk up to people and ask them if they're NRA members?
I doubt many people would tell a stranger that their NRA members, most would just tell a stranger to mind their own business.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
10. That hasn't been my experience,
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:01 AM
May 2013

maybe that happens in the big cities, I don't know, I've lived in rural america all my life where we live and let live and don't ask too many questions about other peoples business.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
12. Hobby doesn't equal membership
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:10 AM
May 2013

How do you know they are NRA members? Or do you just view all gun owners as one?

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
34. No,
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:50 PM
May 2013

I don't belong to any gun rights or gun control group. I consider both org. less than honest, except this one,


http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/


The mission of The Liberal Gun Club is to provide a voice for gun-owning liberals and moderates in the national conversation on gun rights, gun legislation, firearms safety, and shooting sports. We serve as a national forum for all people, irrespective of their personal political beliefs, to discuss firearms ownership, firearms use, and the enjoyment of firearms-related activities free from the destructive elements of political extremism that dominate this subject on the national scale. We also actively develop and foster a variety of programs for the purpose of firearms training and firearms safety education, for both gun owners and non-gun owners.



They seem pretty reasonable.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
81. Gun culture - whether formal NRA members or free-riders - still gladly benefit from these
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:58 PM
May 2013

right wing bigots' agenda. Most ate glad NRA is out there "fighting for their 2nd Amendment rights." Some in gungeon openly cheer their success.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
107. GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUNG GUNG DUNG DUNG dung?
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:07 AM
May 2013

LOL

been probably 20 years since I fired a gun....How about you?


 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. yeah, the response from our pro-gun compratiots here, is underwhelming.
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:22 AM
May 2013

I'd like to see responsible and liberal gun owners doing something as gun owners, to counter the NRA.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
8. I don't belong to this group,
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:30 AM
May 2013

but here is a great alternative to the NRA:


http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/


The mission of The Liberal Gun Club is to provide a voice for gun-owning liberals and moderates in the national conversation on gun rights, gun legislation, firearms safety, and shooting sports. We serve as a national forum for all people, irrespective of their personal political beliefs, to discuss firearms ownership, firearms use, and the enjoyment of firearms-related activities free from the destructive elements of political extremism that dominate this subject on the national scale. We also actively develop and foster a variety of programs for the purpose of firearms training and firearms safety education, for both gun owners and non-gun owners.



Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
39. They all do the same things: anti-gunners and pro--gunners who are liberals.
Sun May 5, 2013, 02:52 PM
May 2013

They vote Democratic, contribute to campaigns, speak up in favor of sound gun control legislation (what little there is of it).

There's really not much else that's effective to do.

They also typically focus on the gun nuts, rather than those who are also in favor of sound gun control legislation but may differ from you in other respects.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
109. How would you define a 'progressive' 2A group?
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:23 PM
May 2013

Only 10% of gun owners are NRA members. The other 90% have better things to do with their time, mostly because they support their rights to own guns but not the political agenda that goes along with NRA membership.

So, if you wanted to create a "progressive" 2A group to appeal to the other 90%, what would they stand for?

I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious. I'm one of those 90%, and I've thought about this before myself. I can't figure out what the platform would be... "We support gun rights...and....?"

The only attempt at creating a "liberal" gun rights organization was the AHSA, but it was more "liberal" and less "gun organization". Gun owners weren't going to join a 2A group that supported just about every gun control and gun seizure law that had been proposed at the time. It promptly died for obvious reasons.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
7. I'm not doing anything,
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:27 AM
May 2013

I don't belong to any gun rights or gun control org., got a lot better things to do in my life.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
11. Voting for democrats
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:06 AM
May 2013

Without congress in their pocket what are they gonna do?

The only real power they have comes from crooked politicians so the only real thing one can do is vote in ones that are not crooked.

-Not a gun owner, but pro-choice on guns.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
13. Years and years of GOTV and electing Democrats in Western Va.
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:12 AM
May 2013

I consider the NRA a Republican organization, despite their insistence that they are "nonpartisan". Reminds me of Fox News...

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
14. Not a member and I vote for Democrats.
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:14 AM
May 2013

And as a gun owner I support intelligent legislation. One way I do that is to explain the issues around firearms to people who have never so much as held one so they can make informed decisions regarding said legislation.

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
15. I joined the NRA.
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:14 AM
May 2013

Yep. Almost five years ago I became an NRA member. After five years I'll have voting rights for the Board of Directors. I talked to one of the directors occasionally. We talk about muzzling Ted Nugent in particular.

My goal is to join others and bring the NRA back to a non-partisan stance while protecting the 2nd Amendment and related things. The NRA doesn't have be right wing or say bat shit crazy things to protect gun rights. Of course, when Democrats propose benighted legislation like the 2013 AWB, it doesn't help.

You may not get a lot of responses from pro-gun DUers because they may be in the uneasy place I am. While I am angered or repulsed by many things said and done by the NRA, if it weren't for the NRA I wouldn't be able to own most my firearms.

I will say that during the 2012 election and the things said about the President, I really questioned my plan.






ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
33. "if it weren't for the NRA I wouldn't be able to own most my firearms."
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:49 PM
May 2013

So how many assault weapons and high-capacity magazines do you own?

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)
35. not a single one of either..
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:55 PM
May 2013

But I do have standard capacity magazines and quite a few AR's, FALs, M1a and even a brand spanking new Tavor.
I even have some "clips" for my SKS and Garand.
I like a well rounded collection.

rppper

(2,952 posts)
96. I've had weapons since I was....
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:55 AM
May 2013

11 y/o...a single shot .410 was my first...I own what I was taught to use and service in the navy....an m1911, a mossburg 500 pump 12 and an old enfield .303 I've hunted with for 30 years...nothing fancy, standard clips, 3 for the rifle and 3 for the .45, a couple of boxes of shells for each. The 500 has an extended tube. It is all I feel I need for any situation. It is the exact collection I've owned for nearly two decades. My kids grew up respecting the guns, knowing how to use them and when and when not to use them. When my step kids are mature enough I'll teach them if they choose so.

That being said, My friends from back home in east Texas...land of Ghomert...tell me I shouldn't keep them locked up for gawds sake! "We have a boar problem" is an excuse I get for 30 rnd clips....I'm thinking "are you serious!? That's not what our people taught us..." It's not even about self protection or well regulated militia anymore with them....it's all about f@cking over a sitting president and waving their f@cking c@cks around.

A year ago people on this board called me paranoid for taking the rhetoric from these groups seriously...it's good to see a lot of my liberal friends here taking them with more than a grain of salt now...some of these folks are keyboard warriors in moms basement, but there are some that are dedicated to the cause and able and willing to pull something stupid....im truly worried that this will lead to some kind of a self fulfilling prophecy soon....I hope for the best but I feel it's best to stay vigilant for the alternative.

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
45. About 7 out 10 of my current firearms are configured or use would be banned accessories.
Sun May 5, 2013, 04:13 PM
May 2013

In the past ten years, I've bought and sold (due to high price spikes from AWB chitter chatter) an AK pistol, Saiga 12 shotgun, HK 93 rifle, mini-30 with pistol stock, and a mini-14 with folding stock.

Of course, in the past there has been chitter chatter about handgun bans, junk gun bans, and large rifle bans (.50 BMG rifles) which have mostly been beaten back into fantasy land.



Response to ellisonz (Reply #89)

Robb

(39,665 posts)
41. 5 years ago when you joined the NRA they were saying the same "bad things" about Obama.
Sun May 5, 2013, 02:54 PM
May 2013

No problem with it then, clearly.

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
42. I would say it got worse for the second election
Sun May 5, 2013, 03:30 PM
May 2013

Especially when you consider his opponent, Mitt. Yes, they were anti-Obama in 2008, but it was different in 2012.

For 2008 the NRA distorted and exaggerated an actual voting record.

In 2012 they had less to work with during his presidency and tried to make the case that he was just waiting for his second to turn on the pro- restrictionist rhetoric.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
48. They worked against Democrats in 2008. And in 2012.
Sun May 5, 2013, 04:40 PM
May 2013

It's like saying a big turd tastes worse than a small one. Why choose to eat the turd at all?

Robb

(39,665 posts)
58. They support Republicans overwhelmingly.
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:45 PM
May 2013

You support them.

Can you understand why this might be troubling?

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
61. Yes I can understand why that is troubling.
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:00 PM
May 2013

That is why I do my best to convince Democratic politicians to be better than Republicans on 2nd Amendment issues.


Robb

(39,665 posts)
63. So you're a one issue guy, supporting the other side
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:18 PM
May 2013

...until such time as Democrats "straighten out" on gun issues. That about it?

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
64. Not at all. I vote Democrat in almost every case.
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:23 PM
May 2013

But the NRA is, or at least should be as it claims to be, a one issue organization.

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
68. Independent of what republicans do, I'd like to see Democrats take gun bans off the table so..
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:43 PM
May 2013

...that other more reasonable laws have a better chance of passing.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
92. they just called the Civil War the "War of Northern Aggression". if you haven't left by now...
Mon May 6, 2013, 01:01 AM
May 2013

you're enabling and encouraging that kind of talk.

Even the elder President Bush had the sense to leave almost 20 years ago for rhetoric milder in comparison.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
75. Yet, you remain a member. Your money directly supports their actions. Thanks for helping to
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:46 PM
May 2013

fuck it up and keep it fucked up.

You are an obstructionist who supports an anti-democratic, anti-common sense, anti-safety organization.

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
82. Technically my dues don't support the Institute for Legislative Action branch of the NRA.
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:59 PM
May 2013

The Institute for Legislative Action is the lobbying part of the NRA.

It took the NRA about 45 years to go from reasonable to today, it will take a while to change it again into something better.


jeff47

(26,549 posts)
88. Except they do in all but the most literal sense
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:24 AM
May 2013

For example, your dues help the ILA branch's fundraising. Because they help overall NRA fundraising.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
17. I support these guys
Sun May 5, 2013, 12:12 PM
May 2013
http://www.independentfirearmowners.org/2013/

It might be possible to get a more moderate or liberal voting bloc to change the board of directors, but the system might be rigged to prevent it.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
25. That is, of course, pure bullshit. I'm a gun owner who wouldn't piss on Wayne LaPierre if ...
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:30 PM
May 2013

he burst into flames in my front yard. I quit the NRA years ago, and my letter to them explaining why I was doing so mentioned that I think they are a bunch of fucking nuts who have nothing to do with responsible gun ownership and everything to do with lining the pockets of firearms manufacturers.
Now, feel free to get on back to your lazy ass broad brush generalizations.

 

Uzair

(241 posts)
44. Hilarious
Sun May 5, 2013, 04:05 PM
May 2013

If you're not who I'm talking about, why are you so offended? Or could it be that you HAVE spouted NRA lies?

Deb

(3,742 posts)
57. I roll up my pants just to visit here anymore
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:23 PM
May 2013

using the ignore is the only relief from the stench

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
70. I bet you're lots of laughs at a party! Give me a smile . Come on, now. Gimme a smile.
Sun May 5, 2013, 08:49 PM
May 2013

Just a little smile, to show you're okay and in a good mood. Come on. It won't hurt. See?

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
19. I am flummoxed by what appears to be support for the NRA by many here
Sun May 5, 2013, 12:50 PM
May 2013

I am largely referring to the gungeon dwellers, here.

I do acknowledge that there are some very liberal folk here that also own guns ... though, they are adamant about their "right" to owns guns... they are also quick to express agreement with most other liberal causes. They are not the ones extolling the virtues of the NRA (and there are those that have no problem expressing the sentiments that the NRA is a right wing nut job organization). With those DUers I have no problem agreeing to disagree on this subject and can enjoy our agreement on o many others. I will even acknowledge, that for you DU may be a difficult place right now. I encourage you to stay and participate.

To the Gungeoneers that can't pass up a "gun" thread (yet somehow are absent from almost all other DU conversations)... that must creep out out the gungeon in order to explain to all of us how the NRA is really a great group and provide so many wonderful services and is choc'ful'o good things .... why are you here? You have zero chance of changing minds, your lack of meaningful participation in conversations related to other liberal goals and ideas is noted ... your support of a clearly right wing lobbying group on a left leaning discussion board must be frustrating. You don't 'get good ones in" .... you pretty much convince folk that gun supporters or only "nut jobs" (very unfair to the "gun folk above, that do not share the crazy).

I suppose its better that you post here rather than a place that actually has the potential to incite folk ... but ....

sarisataka

(18,483 posts)
22. Fair question
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:08 PM
May 2013

I try to stay aware of pending legislation and contact my legislators. I do not blindly support all legislation but the vast majority I am in favor. I will explain why I oppose a certain piece if I do not support it.

When in at the range or in the company of other gun owners, I will engage in discussion about gun control proposals and point out many that will have benefit to public safety with zero to minimal impact on legal ownership and purchase.

If I am speaking to NRA members I will point out that all of the extremist rhetoric of the current leadership is counter productive and encourage them to vote in the board elections to have better representation of gun owners by the NRA.
The recent blatant expeditions in support of RW non-gun agenda is useful in showing that the current leadership is moving towards a more politics based rather than interest based position. There is no benefit to NRA members and gun owners by this move.

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
23. Does the NRA support other RW causes?
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:14 PM
May 2013

Are they anti-gay? Do they advocate shutting down Medicare? Do they advocate tax cuts for the 1%? If so, I haven't seen it. I've only ever seen them support gun rights, so I see no reason to oppose them. That Beck, Palin and the other RWers support them is an example of a stopped clock being right twice a day.

 

Uzair

(241 posts)
24. LOL. Now we have one claiming that the NRA isn't a right wing lobby
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:26 PM
May 2013

Guess what? The gun cause IS a right wing cause. Congratulations on supporting them.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
26. They support Republicans for office
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:30 PM
May 2013

over democrats by huge margins. That means they support ALL right wing causes.

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
27. They do support pro-gun democrats
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:40 PM
May 2013

even over republicans in some cases. If the dems would run more pro-gun candidates they'd get more of that NRA money.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
37. You know the nra are bff with groups who DO support
Sun May 5, 2013, 02:46 PM
May 2013

That stuff, right? You' ve probably noticed there's a reason why the nra is still lily-white despite the nation's evolving demographics, right?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
104. Yes. Look at their board- Norquist, Bolton, North, Nugent, gun profiteers,
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:02 AM
May 2013

and more bigots and right wingers.

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)
28. Offer training, advice and range time
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:41 PM
May 2013

to people free of the constant propagandizing by the NRA.
Most instructors and ranges pimp the NRA and the Repubs at every oppurtunity. I offer technical training and a place for people to learn and practice weapons handling without a bunch of NRA bullshit thrown at them.

louis-t

(23,267 posts)
36. It is the leadership of the NRA that is the problem.
Sun May 5, 2013, 02:10 PM
May 2013

The members are overwhelmingly pro background check. It's the members that should be opposing their leadership.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
51. Yes. The responsible gun owners in the NRA SHOULD be calling out the leadership.
Sun May 5, 2013, 05:01 PM
May 2013

But all I hear is <crickets>.

So I have to conclude that there are no responsible gun owners in the NRA. QED

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
38. Probably what you do. First and foremost: vote Democratic.
Sun May 5, 2013, 02:50 PM
May 2013

That is the most important thing. Contributions to campaigns are helpful, too.

Next, sign petitions for specific bills.

Next, speak up in favor of sound gun control bills, when people are discussing it.

What else can a citizen do regarding any issue?

 

Stretch714

(90 posts)
43. I am an NRA member that votes for board members...
Sun May 5, 2013, 03:40 PM
May 2013

who I consider middle of the road on gun issues. The current leadership is out of touch with most NRA members and it seems to be getting worse. All the "from my cold dead hands" shit bugs the crap out of me.


The NRA can be changed but it will take time and can only be done from the inside. A lot of gun owners I know are getting tired of the BS from the NRA leaders and are trying to change it. And I feel it can and will be changed sooner or later.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
49. "I'm gonna change the system from the INSIDE!!11"
Sun May 5, 2013, 04:42 PM
May 2013

"But first, right, here's my check. Go at it, Wayne!"

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
52. Are you a weapons manufacturer making billions of dollars in profit each year?
Sun May 5, 2013, 05:05 PM
May 2013

Because they're the one who pick the leadership & drive the policies of the NRA.

 

Stretch714

(90 posts)
65. So we should just give up and not try to change things?
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:26 PM
May 2013

It works the same way in DC, should we give up that fight also?

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
74. Did you ever watch Babylon 5?
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:41 PM
May 2013

Kosh said "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."

The RW slide of the NRA is an avalanche that started 30-40 yrs ago. The NRA is funded by & exists solely for the benefit of the corporate weapons manufacturers. And lately those manufacturers feel they benefit when mass murders occur. You think that you, as a pebble, can change its direction? Even if all the 4 million individual member pebbles get together? The NRA doesn't work that way & you know it, because the background check bill was defeated. You can't fight an avalanche, you just can get out of its way & let it fall into the abyss, then work to make sure they don't happen in the future. That means supporting & voting for Democrats who oppose the NRA, at all levels of govt.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
71. Well, there you go! That's somethin'. A vote. Nothing more powerful.
Sun May 5, 2013, 08:50 PM
May 2013

Don't pay attention to the Debbie Downers.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
86. Do you pay membership dues?
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:20 PM
May 2013

If so you are funding their craziness.

Can you please tell us what you are doing to change them from the inside. Please tell us about what specific actions you have taken that could potentially have a major impact in changing them. Have you publically spoken out against the current board members? Were they visible actions that could have an impact on the organization as a whole?

Are you really making a major effort to change them or are you just sending them money and pretending your single vote for the board is going to make a major impact in an organization that is so far lost?

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
53. Never allowed a gun in my home...
Sun May 5, 2013, 05:13 PM
May 2013

I am signing every petition I can and discussing/easing fears in the minds of friends about having their guns taken away. My first comment is, "Now, think sensibly about this...how are they going to take away your guns?"

One friend is adamant the government is wrong because her husband (deceased) has always been a member of the NRA. "Not the present-day NRA. Like the present-day Republican Party, they are nowhere near what they were in those days." She hates news, so she doesn't keep up except with local news.

There is a lot of fear out there about government taking over, throwing us in FEMA camps, taking away SS checks and Medicare...on and on and on. I'll say one thing for the RW, they've done a good job with their propaganda on guns and government. It's only going to get worse with 2014 coming up.

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)
56. What am I supposed to do besides not belong? I'm doing what I am doing to stop child abuse,
Sun May 5, 2013, 05:47 PM
May 2013

to advance the space program, or almost anything else that I don't specifically donate or volunteer for.

I think I was going to toss the catchall, work for, support, and vote for Democrats but I don't think that is much of answer to specific questions like what are you doing about income and wealth inequality or to control Wall Street and if one gives the answer I was thinking of rolling out it would be laughable in response.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
60. Any DUer that supports the NRA should be promptly tombstoned
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:49 PM
May 2013

They are a Republican ancillary organization. Glenn beck? Really?

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
62. Not being a member and supporting things they oppose
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:06 PM
May 2013

Such as magazine limits and universal background che ks (actually all transfers via FFL), among others. Granted I don't like an AWB but that's about my only difference from Party orthodoxy.

But after all that, I have been explicitly told that since I own firearms, I am the NRA and there will be no discussing with me; way to marginalize a lifelong liberal with a consistently straight D national ballot.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
95. I guess you missed where I vote straight D
Mon May 6, 2013, 02:11 AM
May 2013

I guess I'll vote R from now on, you seem to expect it.

Good on you making magazine limits and universal background checks law...oh wait, that's what I support. Us damn Republicans (I ain't one, ever)

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
69. I know a lot of gun owners, but I don't know any NRA members.
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:49 PM
May 2013

I wouldn't even know what the NRA does if it wasn't for DU.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
83. The NRA doesn't speak for me.....
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:10 PM
May 2013

period. Actually there meddling and siding with the gun lobby is endangering my right. It makes people involved in historic work to have to expend energy and time to re-educate the government agencies and politicians. `

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
91. i quit the nra when they started selling ak47`s as hunting rifles
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:58 AM
May 2013

i used to subscribe to the nra for 10 years but i stopped in the early 80`s. my father in law also dropped his lifetime membership for the same reason.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
94. The NRA sells AK-47's?
Mon May 6, 2013, 01:18 AM
May 2013

Because I'm not familiar with what the NRA sells or does not sell, I went to their web site but could not find the NRA offering AK-47's or any other kind of rifle.
http://www.nrastore.com/nrastore/ProductDetail.aspx?p=CT+453&ct=e

Can you please help with a few more details?

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
93. If you buy a gun or ammunition, the NRA gets their cut
Mon May 6, 2013, 01:06 AM
May 2013

Everyone who spends money with the arms industry supports the NRA to some degree, and therefore supports the republican party and the people who attack Obama.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
97. Personally? Voting for the Democrat regardless of his stance on gun control
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:59 AM
May 2013

And in the primaries voting for the farthest left candidate who can win. And in both cases giving money, making phone calls, and knocking on doors for the candidate I'm supporting. I'm not a single issue voter; I would give up my preferences on gun control to see my preferences on wages, health care, and a lot of other things.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
98. I think this is a good question Cali.
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:08 AM
May 2013

I went at it from a different angle last week and didn't get many responses. Some of the responses I did get had some excellent information. The fact is, many here are simply anti-NRA, which is a good position to hold. The problem is, they really aren't pro-anything. Very few support organizations to combat the NRA and will lobby congress for sensible gun control.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022793005

I am guilty of being one of those duers.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
99. the NRA just demonstrated again at their convention
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:18 AM
May 2013

that their fear mongering, blatant lies and
insanity, put them in the same realm as white supremacists and other hate groups. IMHO.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
110. I'm pro-gun control, and I have a closet-full of guns.
Mon May 6, 2013, 01:11 PM
May 2013

It cuts both ways, you see. And I sleep better, knowing that the NRA doesn't speak for me in any way, shape or form.
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