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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:49 AM May 2013

I Thought Solitary Confinement in Iran Was Bad -- Then I Went Inside America's Prisons

http://www.alternet.org/investigations/i-thought-solitary-confinement-iran-was-bad-then-i-went-inside-americas-prisons


IT'S BEEN SEVEN MONTHS since I've been inside a prison cell. Now I'm back, sort of. The experience is eerily like my dreams, where I am a prisoner in another man's cell. Like the cell I go back to in my sleep, this one is built for solitary confinement. I'm taking intermittent, heaving breaths, like I can't get enough air. This still happens to me from time to time, especially in tight spaces. At a little over 11 by 7 feet, this cell is smaller than any I've ever inhabited. You can't pace in it.

Like in my dreams, I case the space for the means of staying sane. Is there a TV to watch, a book to read, a round object to toss? The pathetic artifacts of this inmate's life remind me of objects that were once everything to me: a stack of books, a handmade chessboard, a few scattered pieces of artwork taped to the concrete, a family photo, large manila envelopes full of letters. I know that these things are his world.

"So when you're in Iran and in solitary confinement," asks my guide, Lieutenant Chris Acosta, "was it different?" His tone makes clear that he believes an Iranian prison to be a bad place.

He's right about that. After being apprehended on the Iran-Iraq border, Sarah Shourd, Josh Fattal, and I were held in Evin Prison's isolation ward for political prisoners. Sarah remained there for 13 months, Josh and I for 26 months. We were held incommunicado. We never knew when, or if, we would get out. We didn't go to trial for two years. When we did we had no way to speak to a lawyer and no means of contesting the charges against us, which included espionage. The alleged evidence the court held was "confidential."
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I Thought Solitary Confinement in Iran Was Bad -- Then I Went Inside America's Prisons (Original Post) xchrom May 2013 OP
I just read the entire article. It's long and so worth the read cali May 2013 #1
yes ..i also recommended reading the whole article madrchsod May 2013 #3
absolutely: read the whole article. marble falls May 2013 #13
I'm so ashamed of America sorefeet May 2013 #2
Worth the read! No surprise this article won an award for journalism. K&R! nt Poll_Blind May 2013 #4
WELL worth the read. THANKS FOR POSTING IT ! nt KentuckyWoman May 2013 #5
bookmarked for later HiPointDem May 2013 #6
One of those articles... malthaussen May 2013 #7
OK, OK, maybe three weeks? Look how Chuck Colson changed his whole life... marble falls May 2013 #15
Dunno that it changed him *that* much Rob H. May 2013 #29
When was the last time you heard any progressive views on prison reform.... marble falls May 2013 #33
I get that, and meant no offense Rob H. May 2013 #34
k/r marmar May 2013 #8
I almost had to stop reading this article, it was LuvNewcastle May 2013 #9
I read 5 pages and saved the rest. In so many ways, we are third world. mountain grammy May 2013 #10
You need to read "Midnight Express." Life in a Turkish prison, not solitary confinement. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #23
The movie "Midnight Express" is burned in my brain..unforgettable mountain grammy May 2013 #26
Another good movie about prison: Papillon with Steve McQueen Honeycombe8 May 2013 #24
Fantastic movie, I could only watch it once. mountain grammy May 2013 #27
Really? I've seen it several times. Excellent movie. nt Honeycombe8 May 2013 #35
Yes, the article is well worth the read. dotymed May 2013 #11
Do we need the United Nations sorefeet May 2013 #12
Who said "one standard to measure the greatness of a nation is in the .... marble falls May 2013 #14
Read it! Don't just open the thread to see who has made what comment - Read it! Solly Mack May 2013 #16
I agree. LuvNewcastle May 2013 #18
I hope that people also take action. I've been working for years to Luminous Animal May 2013 #30
I don't have children sorefeet May 2013 #17
Thanks for the article xchrom sorefeet May 2013 #19
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth May 2013 #20
Very long, but very important Canuckistanian May 2013 #21
Kick for ending the human rights violation that is solitary confinement. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #22
Hard reading, but should be required by all Americans. CrispyQ May 2013 #25
It's important to read this story. I finally finished. mountain grammy May 2013 #28
def want to read closeupready May 2013 #31
Only the first page will load for me... AnotherDreamWeaver May 2013 #32
l o n g read but worth it dembotoz May 2013 #36
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. I just read the entire article. It's long and so worth the read
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:01 AM
May 2013

It's a devastating indictment of a form of common torture.

It will make you sick.

malthaussen

(17,194 posts)
7. One of those articles...
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:12 AM
May 2013

... that will have you want to stop reading after every page. I wouldn't even subject Dick Cheney to this kind of treatment. Well, not for longer than a couple of weeks.

-- Mal

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
15. OK, OK, maybe three weeks? Look how Chuck Colson changed his whole life...
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:29 AM
May 2013

after just a couple of years in a 'country club' prison. Changed his whole attitude completely.

Rob H.

(5,351 posts)
29. Dunno that it changed him *that* much
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:34 PM
May 2013

True, he became outspoken about prison reform, but he was also one of the signatories on a letter to W giving theological support for a preemptive invasion of Iraq and he also supported California's Proposition 8, so it isn't as if he did a complete 180 from his previously-held political views or anything.

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
33. When was the last time you heard any progressive views on prison reform....
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:20 AM
May 2013

from the right wing? I didn't say 'love Chuck Colson', I'm saying prison can have a salubrious effect on the correct right winger.

Rob H.

(5,351 posts)
34. I get that, and meant no offense
Tue May 7, 2013, 12:07 AM
May 2013

I can't help but wonder, though, based on his other extremely conservative beliefs, whether he would've changed his views on prisons if he hadn't spent time behind bars himself. (And it seems his other views didn't change at all as a result of his incarceration.) It's kind of like the GOP congresspeople who've recently spoken out in favor of same-sex marriage after a son or daughter came out to them--they don't seem to be capable of understanding what other people are going through until they experience some things first hand.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
9. I almost had to stop reading this article, it was
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:44 AM
May 2013

so depressing. What are we doing to people in this country? We're stripping people of their humanity. I have a really bad feeling that this country is going to reap the whirlwind for all the shit we've done. I know that if I was ever tortured like that I'd be one angry son of a bitch.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
10. I read 5 pages and saved the rest. In so many ways, we are third world.
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:45 AM
May 2013

Our prison system is a disgrace to everything we profess to believe in. A few years ago I read John Grisham's "An Innocent Man." I swear, it'll keep you awake nights. I've been against the death penalty as long as I can remember, but life in American prisons is a living death. Americans claim to revere their "freedoms" as laid out in our precious Bill of Rights, while the 8th amendment might as well be in the trash.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
23. You need to read "Midnight Express." Life in a Turkish prison, not solitary confinement.
Sun May 5, 2013, 02:17 PM
May 2013

It's also a great movie.

You also need to watch the show "Locked Up Abroad." A show that is re-enactments of Americans who land in foreign prisons. Sometimes they're guilty, sometimes not. But it'll introduce you to Mexican prisons, other prisons. Sometimes solitary confinement is an improvement over the regular prison. The guy who is the subject of the book "Midnight Express" was on that show, as well.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
24. Another good movie about prison: Papillon with Steve McQueen
Sun May 5, 2013, 02:34 PM
May 2013


Excellent movie. French Guyana prison, Devil's Island. He was a real person, and although it's supposed to be a true story, it can't be confirmed and so is questionable. Or at least parts of it.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
11. Yes, the article is well worth the read.
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:50 AM
May 2013

America has become a hellish place, IMO.
This is just one aspect of our deterioration, being the largest prison planet on earth. Reading some of the other articles, it is evident that capitalism is detrimental to life.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
12. Do we need the United Nations
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:02 AM
May 2013

to protect us from America? It is sounding like it more everyday. Our elected officials allow this terrorism in the prisons. Because they are owned by the corporates and their lobbies and they make all the rules, just like Dick Cheney said "the constitution is just a God Damned piece of paper". The real enemies of America run it. The real criminals we feed and supply the best healthcare to and leave them with millions in the bank and a ridiculous pension.

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
14. Who said "one standard to measure the greatness of a nation is in the ....
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:25 AM
May 2013

way it treats its prisoners"? Because its true and we treat prisoners less well than the abominable way we treat animals. We have much to fix and much to feel guilt over. Zero tolerance, three strikes have made it worse, overcrowding prisons that become schools for bigger crimes. Plea bargaining the innocent into jail, over charging in complaints to compel plea bargaining, all sorts of prosecutorial and police misconduct all add to a disaster coming down the road and privatizing prisons so that those who run them have no interest at all in any way shape or form of reduction of crime or fair punishments or rehabilitation puts change for the better even more outside the realm of possibility. Solitary confinement is torture plain and simple.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
18. I agree.
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:44 AM
May 2013

It's a long article, but it's probably the best article I've ever read on that subject. These people are completely powerless and they can only be heard if caring people take the time to read their stories.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
30. I hope that people also take action. I've been working for years to
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:03 AM
May 2013

to, at the very least, allow these prisoners to receive regular mail and daily communication with their families.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
17. I don't have children
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:43 AM
May 2013

but the majority of you do. YOUR children and YOUR grandchildren are fodder for Military Industrial Complex and the Prison Industrial Complex. What are YOU going to do about it?
I beg your kid to not enlist in military and I fight tooth and nail for your kids rights, but nothing seems to change it only gets bigger. YOU better warn YOUR kids of the danger they are in because WE failed to protect them. Maybe with a generation or so they can save themselves if WE pound the truth into their innocent minds and they won't fall for all the lies that we have.

And the Republican propaganda is we can't leave the children with our dept. That's the least of their worries.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
19. Thanks for the article xchrom
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:48 AM
May 2013

I am pretty passionate about our sick prison system. I know plenty of guys who have been in the system and they tell me the how corrupt it is. None deny they did wrong and needed punished but all say not like they got. Once in the system you become a cash cow for government money.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
21. Very long, but very important
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:25 AM
May 2013

This process of putting people in solitary is arbitrary, cruel, massively injust and lack any kind of oversight.

And it's torture, leaving more scars and anger than if they were electrocuted or beaten.

If this is allowed to continue, America should have no right to criticize other countries' "brutal prison system"

CrispyQ

(36,463 posts)
25. Hard reading, but should be required by all Americans.
Sun May 5, 2013, 05:41 PM
May 2013
EVERY DAY, I COME HOME to a new stack of letters from prisoners—our hostage story, it seems, is best known inside America's penitentiaries. For a while, I try to respond to each one, but as the weeks and months pass, they start to pile up. I become afraid of them and all the sorrow they contain. They take me back to my own time in solitary—and how can I go back there every day?

One morning, I sit down at my desk and look at the stack of envelopes slowly taking it over. I need to write these people back. I know what it's like to wait for word from the outside. Some of them remind me of myself while I was locked up, their whole lives bent on staying sane. They write. They read. They exercise. They meditate. Others make me think of what I would have eventually become. Their letters don't make sense. They write me constantly, desperately. They are broken.

Instead of digging into the pile, I place a stack of 18 postcards in front of me and write on each of them a question that has been on my mind since I left Pelican Bay: "Do you think prolonged SHU confinement is torture?" I send them to prisoners across the state and 14 write back, all with the same answer: "yes." One tells me he has developed a condition in which he bites down on his back teeth so hard he has loosened them. They write: "I am filled with the sensation of drowning each and every day." "I was housed next door to…guys who have eaten and drank their own body waste and who have thrown their own body waste in the cells that I and others were housed in. I cry."

There are plenty of studies about the psychosis-like symptoms that result from prolonged solitary. Indicators of what psychiatrist Stuart Grassian calls "SHU syndrome" include confusion and hallucination, overwhelming anxiety, the emergence of primitive aggressive fantasies, persecutory ideation, and sudden violent outbursts.



It's criminal that companies are profiting on locking citizens up & spending that profit on our legislators to create new laws to catch more 'criminals' so we can lock them up too.







mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
28. It's important to read this story. I finally finished.
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:02 PM
May 2013

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This is hard to do. American prisons are horror stories. I lived about 50 miles from Attica when the prison uprising took place there. What happened when the state troopers stormed the prison and the aftermath are stories that will turn your stomach and make you weep. It's been in the news lately because it looks as if some sealed reports will finally be publicized.
Man's inhumanity to his fellow man is something I'll never understand. A good husband and father will put on a white robe and participate in a lynching and go home to bed. A prison guard will torture men all day and take his son to a baseball game that night. What kind of sociopathic world do we live in?

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