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Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)making Freudian slips.
He wants to let us know that we know and how secretly he craves his just reward for it.
We share his conviction with a deep, visceral relish.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)is that no serious effort was made to hold Bushco accountable. I doubt anything would have succeeded, but he still should have named and shamed them. Failing to do so sends the message that what Bush and Cheney and others did wasn't hideously wrong and unacceptable. For pity's sake, at least take him of your Xmas card list.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)None of them have ever held their predecessors accountable for ANYTHING.
I'm sure that this is because any resident of the White House will find that this sets a bad precedent.
Now, CONGRESS on the other hand
That's the most realistic place to expect action, given both the political imperative and the inherent will to act.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the Bush crimes and criminals. The fact that he knows the worst of the tortures, against children, tortures using rape, and he does not care to act defines him. Defines him. Add to that his years of preening about how he was too ultra Christian to endure the idea of gay people having rights while he was employed as chief protector to the Master of Abu Grahib and the hypocrisy is far to vast to overlook or to call common to all Presidents. How many other Presidents, Mr Scorpio, followed torturers into the Oval Office? Your rush to defend Obama makes it sound as if you think all Presidents have been like Bush. As if they all deserved prosecution. Is that your actual belief? Or is it just rhetorical splash back?
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)It's the most exclusive club membership in existence...
All of us, who aren't prey to the political realities of, can afford to demand that Obama stick his neck out to punish Bush. But look at Obama himself.
He knows that if he were to try to make an example of Bush, the tables could eventually turn and one of his possible winger, birther successors could go out of their way to make an example out of them.
Not to mention the practical considerations of investing a lot of time, effort and political capital at going after someone that roughly half the country supported, not just once but twice.
Of course, I'd rather have Bush and his cronies under a prison. But I'm not naive enough to think that any president, who sane, who gives a shit about his or her legacy and has more priorities on a plate that I could ever fathom is ever going to go out the way to settle old scores... Settling old scores is EXACTLY how it's going to be portrayed and that will ultimately be the downfall of any president who'll do what you demand.
Again, I say that the best and most effect way of going after Bush is THROUGH Congress.
Yes, they'll have to deal with their own complicity at allowing Bush's lies to authorize his crimes, but as was shown during Watergate, the Congress is perfectly free to go after the Executive Branch.
Before Ford pardoned Nixon, I wonder if he would have wanted to go a different direction if he were in Congress still.
Asking presidents to go after their predecessors in this country has always been and will continue to be non-starters.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)It wouldnt surprise me if the pres pardons the Cheney/Bush gang.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The oligarchs that run the Republican Party are not stupid. Yet they decided to run dipshit McCain and of all people Sarah Palin. It was a gimme. But it fooled most. Wow, we really have a democracy. LOL. No we dont. Pres Obama wont prosecute Wall Street, war criminals, wont end the Patriot Act, domestic spying, and will cut Social Security. And the oligarchs dont give a shit about DOMA. What I dont understand is the president's obsession with strong-arming medical marijuana patients. People that are just trying to ease their pain. And dispensers are going to prison for 20 years. I think it's a distraction from the theft by Wall Fucking Street.
Bush and Cheney were a very out spoken and actually had everything in place to declare a national emergency and suspend the election of 2008, but someone made them stand down. They turned from very outspoken to quiet as field mouses. Cheney was even relegated to a wheel chair. And they very quietly slithered out of town.
Barack Obama made a deal with the devil. His soul for the presidency.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Or should we conclude they persuaded, by whatever means, all of the frontrunners on both sides?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)were sick of the Bush/Cheney fiasco. So they decided to let the people have their Democratic president. Then they would stone wall and prove that the Democrats were ineffectual.
And the Grand Bargain was that the ruling oligarchs would run dipshit and what's her face as the Republican candidates. Obama would have to agree to not prosecute the war criminals, not roll back the Bush tax breaks, not prosecute Wall Street, and pardon the war criminals.