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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:00 PM May 2013

Bill Gates: iPad Users 'Frustrated'

http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/handheld/bill-gates-ipad-users-frustrated/240154235?google_editors_picks=true

Bill Gates took to CNBC today to pitch Microsoft's line of Surface tablets, and he had some choice words for Apple's iPad and similar tablets. "A lot of those users are frustrated," said Gates. "They can't type, they can't create documents, they don't have Office there."

Gates pegged current tablets' lack of physical keyboards as their biggest detractor. There's no arguing that it's easier, quicker, and more accurate to pound out text with a physical keyboard. Today's mobile professionals grew up using typewriters, word processors, desktops and laptops -- all of which include real keyboards. There's something to be said for the muscle memory that comes from beating on keys for a decade or two.

The iPad and other tablets use virtual keyboards that appear on the display and come and go as needed when you need to enter text. They work, but they don't offer the same tactile response that comes with a real keyboard.

Gates then pointed out that the Surface RT and Surface Pro, Microsoft's two tablets, have keyboard options that make them more productive. Further, the Surface Pro runs a full version of Windows, which includes Microsoft Office, Outlook, and tons of productivity apps. The Surface, said Gates, offers the "portability of the tablet, but the richness of a PC."

*end of excerpt*

Yes, Bill, you are a very fair, objective and impartial observer.

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Bill Gates: iPad Users 'Frustrated' (Original Post) steve2470 May 2013 OP
Hey Bill I create documents nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #1
Jesus, is there anything you can refrain from lecturing about? sad-cafe May 2013 #68
truthfully though, I have not seen a tablet yet that meets my needs.... mike_c May 2013 #2
Extensive data analysis I can see it nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #3
They ARE currently working on Scrivener cliffordu May 2013 #10
I know, but after two years ... nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #11
I just got an XPS 18 a few days ago. Xithras May 2013 #4
Patience, grasshopper. Wait Wut May 2013 #6
Check out Fujitsu Mnpaul May 2013 #70
"...they don't have Office there." Wait Wut May 2013 #5
What is Zelda? nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #7
Any bluetooth keyboard will work with an iPad. jeff47 May 2013 #22
Apple's Bluetooth keyboard is pretty good Atman May 2013 #47
With all due respect, Bill... burnodo May 2013 #8
He's partially right SoCalNative May 2013 #9
Yeah, I'll give him that. Barely. Prism May 2013 #12
If it runs Windows 8 Aerows May 2013 #13
Vista is still the champ of suck. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #21
Not like Windows 8 Aerows May 2013 #26
"iOS has encountered an error and needs to shut down" Nye Bevan May 2013 #14
+1000! Agschmid May 2013 #20
My iPad doesn't say that A Little Weird May 2013 #25
IMHO, MS should have taken a lesson from Apple on that one. Xithras May 2013 #64
My IPad doesn't need Bill Champion Jack May 2013 #15
ASUS makes a nice tablet. NavyDem May 2013 #16
I think Windows 8 is okay for anything touch-screen (tablets, all-in-one PCs) NewJeffCT May 2013 #51
Cool story, Bill. REP May 2013 #17
Apparently, Billy needs to google "Bluetooth Keyboard" (nt) jeff47 May 2013 #18
If only there were a mobile computing device with a keyboard geek tragedy May 2013 #19
This post for the win! Apophis May 2013 #31
LOL! K&R, this is the best post.... Moonwalk May 2013 #36
What bugs me most is having to use itunes to get media onto the device..... grahamhgreen May 2013 #23
THIS GObamaGO May 2013 #44
Great. Then I'll buy an Android tablet with a keyboard option. 2ndAmForComputers May 2013 #24
Hey Bill, you lost DonCoquixote May 2013 #27
Please Bill stick to your philanthropic work. We love you for it, really we do!! Leave MS to Balmer. Locut0s May 2013 #28
I see I have happened upon an iSnob rally. Jamastiene May 2013 #29
+1 DJ13 May 2013 #33
*snort* GObamaGO May 2013 #45
lol! bunnies May 2013 #49
For owners of Apple iProducts kentauros May 2013 #58
Uh, the iPad has keyboard options as well. Apophis May 2013 #30
I bought an iPad last Xmas, never again krawhitham May 2013 #32
well stated burnodo May 2013 #38
My Acer Netbook does offers the same portability, with a cover. WinkyDink May 2013 #34
Frustrated? I don't go anywhere without it! I love it and it's genius--I knew that from.... Moonwalk May 2013 #35
Just to add, I think Bill is missing out on the genius of no "cover".... Moonwalk May 2013 #37
Mine is heavy duty nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #39
Wow! I think if that doesn't counter the "iPad users are frustrated" nothing will...who would take.. Moonwalk May 2013 #63
written a few stories nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #66
Dear Bill, phylny May 2013 #40
How about a laptop which you can simply unplug the screen and use it as a tablet? Turborama May 2013 #41
A number of such models exist RedCappedBandit May 2013 #46
I won't touch Windows 8 after seeing the commercials. Rex May 2013 #42
Is he nuts? ismnotwasm May 2013 #43
The logitech keyboard for iPad plus Quickoffice pro is more than good enough for me. stevenleser May 2013 #48
I love the convertible ultrabooks NewJeffCT May 2013 #50
I'm frustrated and didn't even know it? Lithos May 2013 #52
+1 Buzz Clik May 2013 #53
I love gadgets d_r May 2013 #54
This odd and freakish whatever is it beyond love and desire for Apple is frightening and sick. Safetykitten May 2013 #55
The Man who put out Windows ME has no fucking right talking about user frustration with other prods Yavin4 May 2013 #56
Amen to this, and Windows 8 although he wasn't involved with that nt steve2470 May 2013 #61
It's portable like a tablet, but it has a fully functional keyboard .... dawg May 2013 #57
Not as frustrated as windows 8 users... speaking from firsthand experience bobduca May 2013 #59
The only apple product I owned was a 1st gen nano until I got this iPad DeschutesRiver May 2013 #60
I'm shocked he isn't promoting Apple products! bluedigger May 2013 #62
My iPhone/Nook is fine for some quick typing (i.e. chats, blogs, etc.) Proud Liberal Dem May 2013 #65
Bill Gates just made an argument about why tablets will never replace PCs, they are supplements... Humanist_Activist May 2013 #67
Kick! NealK May 2013 #69
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. Hey Bill I create documents
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:03 PM
May 2013

On the IPad...and content and shit...and I have an office suite, a couple actually.

You know what is frustrating though? How many fracking versions of docx do we need? And how much HTML crap do you need to add?

I know, I know...too much inside baseball

Oh and I forgot. Can you say blue tooth keyboard? Jaysus...when I need it, I got it

 

sad-cafe

(1,277 posts)
68. Jesus, is there anything you can refrain from lecturing about?
Tue May 7, 2013, 11:47 PM
May 2013

do you know Mr. Gates personally? I would never send requests like that

mike_c

(36,270 posts)
2. truthfully though, I have not seen a tablet yet that meets my needs....
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:07 PM
May 2013

I need my computers to compute things, not entertain me. I use computers to enter and analyze data. Modeling. Image processing. Writing documents and presentations. Visualizing data. Mind mapping and curriculum design. I don't use computers to view movies, play games, or -- mostly-- for reading books.

I'd love a tablet form factor computer that runs all my usual productivity software. Surface looks good, but it's freaking expensive. I'll just keep waiting until a real computer comes out in a tablet form factor.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
3. Extensive data analysis I can see it
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:19 PM
May 2013

But I use mine for pretty much all. It really depends on the aps. I even have image manipulation on it, and yes...research dbases.

These are not the aps you see on adds though.

Maybe this century scrivener will go t the Ipad. If you got no idea go to literature and late and take a look...makes research that much easier and comes in Win and Mac flavors. For the momemt using Ilaro on the Ipad...and finally tamed those notes.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
4. I just got an XPS 18 a few days ago.
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:29 PM
May 2013

At 18" it's a little big for a "tablet", but it's really a full ultrabook PC in a tablet format. I've been running everything from Visual Studio to Photoshop to Eclipse on it and have no complaints. i5 processor, 8Gb RAM, 500GB HDD, USB 3...it has everything you'd find on any modern ultralight laptop, and about 5 hours of battery life.

It's very light and I've had no problems carrying it around the house and office with me, but I really do think that a slightly smaller version (15" or so) would be perfect. 18" is big enough that it's awkward to use one handed while standing, a problem that would be solved with a few less inches of screen space. Still, if you want a "tablet style" computer, it's worth taking a look at. I think it's the first PC with that form factor to really get it right.

And I'm happy to report that it dual boots Linux Mint just fine, so you're not even stuck with Windows 8

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
6. Patience, grasshopper.
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:40 PM
May 2013

Tablets are still 'relatively' new. I'm sure there's an army of geeks sweating in the early morning hours trying to cram it all in. They'll get it...eventually.

Until then, you're stuck with a laptop. Unless you switch careers. iPads are great for Real Estate agents!

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
70. Check out Fujitsu
Wed May 8, 2013, 02:10 AM
May 2013

I have been buying them off ebay and repairing them for resale. the Stylistic ST5112 is a good model. Duo Core processor, 12.1 inch screen, uses standard laptop hard drives and memory. You can get a decent one for around $300. I have a SSD in mine and it is pretty quick. It has a dock with CD burner and DVD reader. You can find factory IR keyboards or use a normal one. It has USB ports, firewire, lan, SD and reader and even hookups for an external monitor.

As usual Gates is behind the curve. Fujitsu has been building tablets with keyboards for 15 years now.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
5. "...they don't have Office there."
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:37 PM
May 2013

As a graphic artist I can say that this is probably the biggest selling point for Apple.

The lack of a physical keyboard does bother me. But, I'm 48 years old and stubborn. I see 'kids' in their 20s not having any problems with the lack of an 'antiquated' physical keyboard and fly over the virtual keys of an iPad.

Sorry, Bill. I will never hate you despite the years of aggravation I've received from your army of office secretary/graphic artist wannabes that think they can save a buck by 'creating' their own brochures on MS products, but you are trying to sell something to an upcoming crop of techies that are being raised on a virtual keyboard.

Or, like I told my husband a few days ago, "Saying you beat Zelda does not make you a gamer in the 21st century."

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. What is Zelda?
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:56 PM
May 2013

(I kid, I kid)

I don't know what is sadder, that I know it, or that I never got interested in it.

As to the keyboard...I am three years younger than you...I mostly not use the physical one.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
22. Any bluetooth keyboard will work with an iPad.
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:52 PM
May 2013

Or if you really don't like bluetooth, there are physical keyboards that use the dock connector.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
47. Apple's Bluetooth keyboard is pretty good
Tue May 7, 2013, 08:08 AM
May 2013

I wound up using it with my Mac Mini, although my wife still uses it for her iPad every know and then. Just recently I switched to a full-size Windows USB keyboard I bought at Staples for $12. I must admit, I like the feel of a "real" keyboard.

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
9. He's partially right
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:11 PM
May 2013

I have an iPad through work and I dislike the virtual keyboard as well as any of the "bluetooth" ones I've tried with it. I also don't like that there's no mouse functionality available.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
12. Yeah, I'll give him that. Barely.
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:17 PM
May 2013

I do type faster on a physical keyboard, and sometimes I'll just get off my tablet or iphone to go to the PC when I'm trying to have a fluid discussion with someone (or write, say, posts on DU).

But I don't see that as a problem per se. Yes, muscle memory does make typing on a keyboard much faster, but I'm not exactly going to haul one around with me all day.

I've seen roll-up keyboards and the link. Maybe they're the solution. But yes, on tablet and phone, there are times where I desperately wish I had something physical to type rapidly and accurately on. Writing lengthy things is still a massive pain in the ass using touch screens. And we'll not get into the perversions of autocorrect. Jesus. The things I have inadvertently sent to people . . .

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
13. If it runs Windows 8
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:22 PM
May 2013

I wouldn't even look at it. That's the worst OS that Microsoft has ever made. It makes ME look like a dream.

I have a great Android phone, so it isn't the fact that it's designed for mobiles. It's because it's awful.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
25. My iPad doesn't say that
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:18 PM
May 2013

But it does kick me out of apps with annoying frequency. Maybe I'm just unlucky.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
64. IMHO, MS should have taken a lesson from Apple on that one.
Tue May 7, 2013, 04:56 PM
May 2013

All Apples crash, including iPads and iPhones (I own both and iPhone and a Mac, and have had crashes on both). Nobody has invented a crash free computer, and when someone tells you that "Computer X never crashes" you can take that as a sure sign that you're dealing with a disreputable fanboy. More often than not, when they crash, Apple devices simply kick you out without any sort of message at all.

This is probably a better behavior than showing your user a nasty error message that offers them no useful information and simply reinforces their frustration. The BSOD wouldn't have been a joke if MS hadn't included it in the first place.

NavyDem

(525 posts)
16. ASUS makes a nice tablet.
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:42 PM
May 2013

The VivoTab Smart is pretty nice. Quad-Core processor, Full Windows 8 (I'm not completely sold on it, but it does function well for me). I use it for work, and it comes in quite conveniently where a laptop would just be too bulky. I don't have to worry about converting documents, or locating apps to deal with any file types, as I can use the same programs I use on the desktop.

To be fair, I also have Android based tablets, and phones as well that get pretty good use too.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
51. I think Windows 8 is okay for anything touch-screen (tablets, all-in-one PCs)
Tue May 7, 2013, 09:03 AM
May 2013

However, for a regular laptop or desktop where you need to click with a mouse - not so much.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. If only there were a mobile computing device with a keyboard
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:51 PM
May 2013

and word processing and spreadsheet software. It would still fit on someone's lap, you could even call it ...

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
36. LOL! K&R, this is the best post....
Mon May 6, 2013, 11:08 PM
May 2013


I have not given up my laptop. It is, as you say, exactly what I want for heavy-duty word processing, something with a keyboard and cover. But when I'm done writing up a book and want to read it through...um, well I usually convert to PDF and read it on the iPad
 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
23. What bugs me most is having to use itunes to get media onto the device.....
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:53 PM
May 2013

on Android and WebOS, it just shows up as a hard-drive that you can drag files too.

GObamaGO

(665 posts)
44. THIS
Tue May 7, 2013, 12:36 AM
May 2013

I have an iPad and and Android phone (as well as a laptop computer). I find having to do everything through iTunes cumbersome and a bit despotic on the part of Apple.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
24. Great. Then I'll buy an Android tablet with a keyboard option.
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:12 PM
May 2013

Asus, if I'm not mistaken, makes those.

Windows and iOS can go pound sand.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
27. Hey Bill, you lost
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:27 PM
May 2013

While you and Apple were trying to jack the consumer, Android snuck up on both of you. Now there is a generation of people that realize they do not need EITHER of you.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
28. Please Bill stick to your philanthropic work. We love you for it, really we do!! Leave MS to Balmer.
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:33 PM
May 2013

You have made a positive change in the world for the better through your philanthropy and R&D grants. But please your MS days are over. Use them as your cash cow to do good work now. Leave the insanity to Steve Balmer. He's already insane anyway it suites him better.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
35. Frustrated? I don't go anywhere without it! I love it and it's genius--I knew that from....
Mon May 6, 2013, 11:03 PM
May 2013

...the moment I saw it and everyone was all "it's just a big phone..." Well, it was. Which meant everyone who had an iPhone knew how to use it. Genius. And it wasn't just the ease of that hardware--it was the Apps system. I got that right away, too. Here was a way to transform one device into many--each to satisfy the user's needs.

A medical device for a doctor, a sales device for merchants, a sketchbooks for artists, instruments for musicians.

But what is most "genius" about it, is that it can be what each person needs it to be at a given moment: I use it to show me the recipe I'm cooking with books--there's the right cookbook--listen to music with another app as I mix up the ingredients, adjust measurements with another app, then set the timer with another app. Then I rest back and read the newspaper or stream a tv show till dinner time. And then, if I really want to get silly, I set the iPad on the table with an app featuring flickering lit candles for a romantic meal. I like that, too. That Apple didn't create its tablet and think "tool for serious stuff!"--it allowed for silliness and fun.

I believe Apple got it in "one." They got it. I think the only other that came close prior was Amazon's Kindle, actually--limited as it was. But Apple took that Kindle to where it logically ought to go, and that's why everyone other tablet maker is now copying them. I love my iPad, and I'm not the least frustrated with it.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
37. Just to add, I think Bill is missing out on the genius of no "cover"....
Mon May 6, 2013, 11:12 PM
May 2013

Like holders for phones, everyone wants a chance to fine their own special cover. I just bought my husband a cover for his iPad that he says is "perfect" for him. It protects it, allows him to adjust it to read it hands free both horizontal and vertical. Which is all he usually does with the iPad--no writing on it. So it's perfect.

Never underestimate the power of fashion. By leaving off the cover, Apple created a whole marketplace of tablet cover-makers, and once again, each person can get not only what they need, but what they like.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
63. Wow! I think if that doesn't counter the "iPad users are frustrated" nothing will...who would take..
Tue May 7, 2013, 04:32 PM
May 2013

...something that frustrated them to fires? I mean, seriously, you must really feel it's reliable and useful.

phylny

(8,368 posts)
40. Dear Bill,
Mon May 6, 2013, 11:38 PM
May 2013

I use my iPad every day at work. I'm a speech-language pathologist and there are tons of apps I use with my kids during speech therapy. There is also an app I use called Proloquo2Go that, coupled with the iPad, is as great as an AAC device costing upwards of $8,000.

At times when I'm traveling or when my laptop has been sent out for repair, like now, I even use my iPad to read DU and respond to threads like his one. Oh, and I even typed on the little keyboard on the screen.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
41. How about a laptop which you can simply unplug the screen and use it as a tablet?
Mon May 6, 2013, 11:48 PM
May 2013

I'd love to be able to do that with my laptop. i've always thought that when it's time to crash it'd be nice to just set up a book to read, remove the screen and take it to bed.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
42. I won't touch Windows 8 after seeing the commercials.
Tue May 7, 2013, 12:20 AM
May 2013

If all they have is hype, count me out. iPad users are not frustrated, they just don't know how to set their email accounts lol.

ismnotwasm

(41,967 posts)
43. Is he nuts?
Tue May 7, 2013, 12:27 AM
May 2013

I love my iPad.

Right now I'm laying down listening to Frankie Valli, playing 'words' with my husband, peaking at DU now and again, reading a book I've been working on and switching to review notes for a class.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
48. The logitech keyboard for iPad plus Quickoffice pro is more than good enough for me.
Tue May 7, 2013, 08:12 AM
May 2013

But Bill is right in the sense that without those two options, I would be frustrated by the iPad. I got my iPad as a gift and immediately ordered those two things. I had been planning on saving up for the Microsoft tablet because of those reasons.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
50. I love the convertible ultrabooks
Tue May 7, 2013, 09:01 AM
May 2013

laptop sometimes, then twist it around and it's a tablet. We didn't buy one because of the price (the Lenovo Yoga 13 one was like $999) - we ended up buying a desktop because I do some heavy-duty Excel work even at home, and an iPad (we also bought the bluetooth keyboard for it) for only a bit more.

However, I do think the convertible ultrabooks will be very popular in the coming years. It gives you the portability and ease of carrying of a tablet, as well as the power & hardrive of a laptop (though, ultrabooks do have smaller solid-state Hard Drives)




Lithos

(26,403 posts)
52. I'm frustrated and didn't even know it?
Tue May 7, 2013, 09:17 AM
May 2013

Bill flunks usability 101.

While you can create plenty of content on a tablet, it is not meant to be the heavy lean forward workhorse that the bloated Office suite demands.

The tablet is meant for a different use case - namely of being able to be connected and interactive while on the go. When I need a laptop, I take a laptop. I don't always need a laptop.

L-

d_r

(6,907 posts)
54. I love gadgets
Tue May 7, 2013, 09:27 AM
May 2013

I had a ton of different pdas over the years. I had a rex that you could put in a pmcia card slot. A hand spring visor that ran palm os. A compaq ipaq on win ce, a phillips nino, a compaq convertable windows xp tablet, a samsung ultramobile pc. Hell I had a timex sinclair when I was a kid and a lunchbox pc in the late 80s early 90s. Right now between my wife and two kids we have in this house two laptops, one desktop, and one old laptop that continues to play Animal Jam and Club Penguin as a desktop, three android tablets and one android game tablet, a kindle, a nook, a kobo, three nds', two mp4 players and probably other stuff that I could put here. Our coat closet is a graveyard of digital cameras.

The reason for stating that is that I've played with a lot of gizmos.

Here's what I think.

I can't really think of much of a reason for a surface unless you are committed to having only one thing.

Just my opinion.

For taking pictures I'd rather have a camera. I have a water proof/shock proof one that is just fun to use. My phone is OK for backups and for posting to social media, but I'm glad I have a new camera for summer vacation.
For reading a book, I'd rather have e-ink. A rooted glowlight nook that can do nook, kindle and cool reader for side loads is the best thing around right now for reading, imho. And you can get that for $100. One of our tablets is a 10" I got thinking it would be good for reading pdfs, but I would so much rather read on e-ink I "gave" it to my wife.
For playing games, I'd just as soon have a gaming device. The kids like the tablet games, too. If you need a little time diversion game, then the e-ink games or phone games pass.
For calendar and email on the go, nothing beats my phone. Its what pdas were trying to be years ago. GPS is great on a phone too.
For streaming video, my tv is best. For kids watching video in the back of the car I like tablets and mp4 players better than a dvd player, but both still get use.
For really working. Listen, I got a new dell 14" I-3 with 8 gigs of ram and T hard drive from amazon on closeout for $302. I put kubuntu on it and imho it is wonderful for working on. I wouldn't want to do the type of work I can do on this on a surface. It was so much cheaper than a surface it is silly, and so much more useful. Is it as portable? NO, but the nootered nook and my phone are.
For looking at the internet in the bathroom or something the small 7" tablet is nice, but I've gotten to the point that if I have a "lap" like when sitting on the sofa, I'd rather use a laptop.
The problem that MS is making is trying to make a swiss army knife. So you have to make compromises. You end up with a keyboard, but a keyboard that is too small to really type on. You end up with a color screen but one that is too small. You end up with "office" but on a little screen with a little keyboard. I'd rather have a laptop. In my office I'd rather have a desktop with big dual monitors and a wireless keyboard that I can prop my feet up on my desk and type away. Honestly, I think the pronouncement of the death of the actual computer has been way premature, and I think MS has made a mistake chasing the tablet form factor too hard. Tablets are great for recreation, I love the form factor, but in the end it is a toy and nobody really "needs" a $1,000 facebook machine.
I love mobility and realize that a tablet is more mobile than a notebook, generally, but I also realize the screens are squat in sunlight, etc. I'd rather have a good phone plus an e-ink reader for mobility. Of course people with different jobs and needs have different jobs and needs.

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
55. This odd and freakish whatever is it beyond love and desire for Apple is frightening and sick.
Tue May 7, 2013, 09:33 AM
May 2013

Just really just come out and tell everyone that uses Microsoft products they are stupid, moronic, and just plain ugly and they should just give up as a human.

I use all Microsoft products. They work great and wonderfully together.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
56. The Man who put out Windows ME has no fucking right talking about user frustration with other prods
Tue May 7, 2013, 09:36 AM
May 2013

A billion dollars buys you a nice pair of brass balls.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
59. Not as frustrated as windows 8 users... speaking from firsthand experience
Tue May 7, 2013, 11:11 AM
May 2013

Windows 8 is... the worst mistake MS has ever made.... And I say that as a windows user, computer professional and as someone who is actively developing apps for windows, ios and android... 8.1 is going to come out and still be forcing this horrible user interface onto the users. Don't get me started on how useless RT devices are...

ugh.

DeschutesRiver

(2,354 posts)
60. The only apple product I owned was a 1st gen nano until I got this iPad
Tue May 7, 2013, 11:28 AM
May 2013

My laptops run xp and I use them for many things.

But as of a month ago, I bought a refurb ipad just to see if I found it useful. It has been so enjoyable that I wish I had done this a long time ago.

Yeah, there are things I don't like, one being the need to use iTunes. But there are many things I do not like about windows and I still use it on my laptop.

I am on a trip now and this is just the most convenient thing to use to get online. Needed a tire fixed, needed to change/add reservations in national and state parks, and my dog may need to see a vet here. My iPad with 3G has made doing these things on the fly much easier. Not to mention all the videos, articles on Pocket and podcasts I downloaded to read along the way. Plus the hiking sites and much much more. It has been more convenient than I had imagined; even the smaller size is nicer for old me than pulling out the bigger laptop for simple things.

I will say I only picked the iPad because the refurbs were so much less, figuring I could try something else later. But I am sticking with this now because it truly fits my needs.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
65. My iPhone/Nook is fine for some quick typing (i.e. chats, blogs, etc.)
Tue May 7, 2013, 05:00 PM
May 2013

but if I'm really wanting to write something longer I definitely prefer to have a physical keyboard, which is why I'll never ditch having an actual desktop computer.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
67. Bill Gates just made an argument about why tablets will never replace PCs, they are supplements...
Tue May 7, 2013, 09:50 PM
May 2013

at most. Same for smart phones, etc, and no the Surface Pro isn't a suitable replacement either, because tablets, due to their form factor, lack the flexibility and robustness of a full fledged desktop or laptop computer.

Not to say that tablets have no options, whether its the Surface, Android, or Ipad, all 3 can have physical keyboards, through bluetooth. Same for mice and some other accessories. Hell, I was able to use a Wii controller as a video game controller on my Android phone, without buying any accessories. Gotta love industry standards.

But, they are still limited, get a wifi only tablet(so not tied to any specific service) and try to connect to the internet outside of wifi areas. Good luck, while me, on my netbook, can tether it through USB to my phone, and use its 4G network connection, at no extra charge from the cell company. Not to mention my netbook has over four times the storage of a Surface Pro, and its RAM and hard drive can be upgraded.

And this brings us to software, Windows 8, the OS with two personalities, on one hand, its default, tablet interface, is inadequate for use on a desktop PC, while the desktop is retained, but it takes third party hacks to make it usable with minimal interruptions from the tabletOS part.

This is going to divide up the application development for Windows, with Windows 8 "apps" through the Store, which will be gimped and geared towards tablets, and full fledged Windows Applications like we are used to, like Office. The problem is that interoperability is minimal, and instead of having two operating system, you have one.

The key is this, Tablets, and Metro, iOS, and Android, are mostly for content consumption in more casual environments, whereas MacOS, Windows 8 Desktop, Linux, and many other OSes are mostly for content creation, development, writing, etc. Different interfaces, for different devices and uses, unfortunately Microsoft thought it would be great to combine the two, I'm still baffled as to why.

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