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http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/handheld/bill-gates-ipad-users-frustrated/240154235?google_editors_picks=trueBill Gates took to CNBC today to pitch Microsoft's line of Surface tablets, and he had some choice words for Apple's iPad and similar tablets. "A lot of those users are frustrated," said Gates. "They can't type, they can't create documents, they don't have Office there."
Gates pegged current tablets' lack of physical keyboards as their biggest detractor. There's no arguing that it's easier, quicker, and more accurate to pound out text with a physical keyboard. Today's mobile professionals grew up using typewriters, word processors, desktops and laptops -- all of which include real keyboards. There's something to be said for the muscle memory that comes from beating on keys for a decade or two.
The iPad and other tablets use virtual keyboards that appear on the display and come and go as needed when you need to enter text. They work, but they don't offer the same tactile response that comes with a real keyboard.
Gates then pointed out that the Surface RT and Surface Pro, Microsoft's two tablets, have keyboard options that make them more productive. Further, the Surface Pro runs a full version of Windows, which includes Microsoft Office, Outlook, and tons of productivity apps. The Surface, said Gates, offers the "portability of the tablet, but the richness of a PC."
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Yes, Bill, you are a very fair, objective and impartial observer.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)On the IPad...and content and shit...and I have an office suite, a couple actually.
You know what is frustrating though? How many fracking versions of docx do we need? And how much HTML crap do you need to add?
I know, I know...too much inside baseball
Oh and I forgot. Can you say blue tooth keyboard? Jaysus...when I need it, I got it
sad-cafe
(1,277 posts)do you know Mr. Gates personally? I would never send requests like that
mike_c
(36,270 posts)I need my computers to compute things, not entertain me. I use computers to enter and analyze data. Modeling. Image processing. Writing documents and presentations. Visualizing data. Mind mapping and curriculum design. I don't use computers to view movies, play games, or -- mostly-- for reading books.
I'd love a tablet form factor computer that runs all my usual productivity software. Surface looks good, but it's freaking expensive. I'll just keep waiting until a real computer comes out in a tablet form factor.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But I use mine for pretty much all. It really depends on the aps. I even have image manipulation on it, and yes...research dbases.
These are not the aps you see on adds though.
Maybe this century scrivener will go t the Ipad. If you got no idea go to literature and late and take a look...makes research that much easier and comes in Win and Mac flavors. For the momemt using Ilaro on the Ipad...and finally tamed those notes.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)For the iPad. Check their blog.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Been waiting for it...I love it...Ilaro is almost as good
Xithras
(16,191 posts)At 18" it's a little big for a "tablet", but it's really a full ultrabook PC in a tablet format. I've been running everything from Visual Studio to Photoshop to Eclipse on it and have no complaints. i5 processor, 8Gb RAM, 500GB HDD, USB 3...it has everything you'd find on any modern ultralight laptop, and about 5 hours of battery life.
It's very light and I've had no problems carrying it around the house and office with me, but I really do think that a slightly smaller version (15" or so) would be perfect. 18" is big enough that it's awkward to use one handed while standing, a problem that would be solved with a few less inches of screen space. Still, if you want a "tablet style" computer, it's worth taking a look at. I think it's the first PC with that form factor to really get it right.
And I'm happy to report that it dual boots Linux Mint just fine, so you're not even stuck with Windows 8
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)Tablets are still 'relatively' new. I'm sure there's an army of geeks sweating in the early morning hours trying to cram it all in. They'll get it...eventually.
Until then, you're stuck with a laptop. Unless you switch careers. iPads are great for Real Estate agents!
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)I have been buying them off ebay and repairing them for resale. the Stylistic ST5112 is a good model. Duo Core processor, 12.1 inch screen, uses standard laptop hard drives and memory. You can get a decent one for around $300. I have a SSD in mine and it is pretty quick. It has a dock with CD burner and DVD reader. You can find factory IR keyboards or use a normal one. It has USB ports, firewire, lan, SD and reader and even hookups for an external monitor.
As usual Gates is behind the curve. Fujitsu has been building tablets with keyboards for 15 years now.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)As a graphic artist I can say that this is probably the biggest selling point for Apple.
The lack of a physical keyboard does bother me. But, I'm 48 years old and stubborn. I see 'kids' in their 20s not having any problems with the lack of an 'antiquated' physical keyboard and fly over the virtual keys of an iPad.
Sorry, Bill. I will never hate you despite the years of aggravation I've received from your army of office secretary/graphic artist wannabes that think they can save a buck by 'creating' their own brochures on MS products, but you are trying to sell something to an upcoming crop of techies that are being raised on a virtual keyboard.
Or, like I told my husband a few days ago, "Saying you beat Zelda does not make you a gamer in the 21st century."
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)(I kid, I kid)
I don't know what is sadder, that I know it, or that I never got interested in it.
As to the keyboard...I am three years younger than you...I mostly not use the physical one.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Or if you really don't like bluetooth, there are physical keyboards that use the dock connector.
Atman
(31,464 posts)I wound up using it with my Mac Mini, although my wife still uses it for her iPad every know and then. Just recently I switched to a full-size Windows USB keyboard I bought at Staples for $12. I must admit, I like the feel of a "real" keyboard.
burnodo
(2,017 posts)you're full of shit.
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)I have an iPad through work and I dislike the virtual keyboard as well as any of the "bluetooth" ones I've tried with it. I also don't like that there's no mouse functionality available.
Prism
(5,815 posts)I do type faster on a physical keyboard, and sometimes I'll just get off my tablet or iphone to go to the PC when I'm trying to have a fluid discussion with someone (or write, say, posts on DU).
But I don't see that as a problem per se. Yes, muscle memory does make typing on a keyboard much faster, but I'm not exactly going to haul one around with me all day.
I've seen roll-up keyboards and the link. Maybe they're the solution. But yes, on tablet and phone, there are times where I desperately wish I had something physical to type rapidly and accurately on. Writing lengthy things is still a massive pain in the ass using touch screens. And we'll not get into the perversions of autocorrect. Jesus. The things I have inadvertently sent to people . . .
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I wouldn't even look at it. That's the worst OS that Microsoft has ever made. It makes ME look like a dream.
I have a great Android phone, so it isn't the fact that it's designed for mobiles. It's because it's awful.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Vista sucked for a variety of reasons; 8 is just impractical as hell.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)said no iPad, ever.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)But it does kick me out of apps with annoying frequency. Maybe I'm just unlucky.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)All Apples crash, including iPads and iPhones (I own both and iPhone and a Mac, and have had crashes on both). Nobody has invented a crash free computer, and when someone tells you that "Computer X never crashes" you can take that as a sure sign that you're dealing with a disreputable fanboy. More often than not, when they crash, Apple devices simply kick you out without any sort of message at all.
This is probably a better behavior than showing your user a nasty error message that offers them no useful information and simply reinforces their frustration. The BSOD wouldn't have been a joke if MS hadn't included it in the first place.
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)NavyDem
(525 posts)The VivoTab Smart is pretty nice. Quad-Core processor, Full Windows 8 (I'm not completely sold on it, but it does function well for me). I use it for work, and it comes in quite conveniently where a laptop would just be too bulky. I don't have to worry about converting documents, or locating apps to deal with any file types, as I can use the same programs I use on the desktop.
To be fair, I also have Android based tablets, and phones as well that get pretty good use too.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)However, for a regular laptop or desktop where you need to click with a mouse - not so much.
REP
(21,691 posts)They also don't "squirt" like your awesome Zunes, code named "iPod Killer."
jeff47
(26,549 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and word processing and spreadsheet software. It would still fit on someone's lap, you could even call it ...
Apophis
(1,407 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)I have not given up my laptop. It is, as you say, exactly what I want for heavy-duty word processing, something with a keyboard and cover. But when I'm done writing up a book and want to read it through...um, well I usually convert to PDF and read it on the iPad
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)on Android and WebOS, it just shows up as a hard-drive that you can drag files too.
I have an iPad and and Android phone (as well as a laptop computer). I find having to do everything through iTunes cumbersome and a bit despotic on the part of Apple.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Asus, if I'm not mistaken, makes those.
Windows and iOS can go pound sand.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)While you and Apple were trying to jack the consumer, Android snuck up on both of you. Now there is a generation of people that realize they do not need EITHER of you.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)You have made a positive change in the world for the better through your philanthropy and R&D grants. But please your MS days are over. Use them as your cash cow to do good work now. Leave the insanity to Steve Balmer. He's already insane anyway it suites him better.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)Apophis
(1,407 posts)Bill Gates = dumbass
krawhitham
(4,641 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)nt
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...the moment I saw it and everyone was all "it's just a big phone..." Well, it was. Which meant everyone who had an iPhone knew how to use it. Genius. And it wasn't just the ease of that hardware--it was the Apps system. I got that right away, too. Here was a way to transform one device into many--each to satisfy the user's needs.
A medical device for a doctor, a sales device for merchants, a sketchbooks for artists, instruments for musicians.
But what is most "genius" about it, is that it can be what each person needs it to be at a given moment: I use it to show me the recipe I'm cooking with books--there's the right cookbook--listen to music with another app as I mix up the ingredients, adjust measurements with another app, then set the timer with another app. Then I rest back and read the newspaper or stream a tv show till dinner time. And then, if I really want to get silly, I set the iPad on the table with an app featuring flickering lit candles for a romantic meal. I like that, too. That Apple didn't create its tablet and think "tool for serious stuff!"--it allowed for silliness and fun.
I believe Apple got it in "one." They got it. I think the only other that came close prior was Amazon's Kindle, actually--limited as it was. But Apple took that Kindle to where it logically ought to go, and that's why everyone other tablet maker is now copying them. I love my iPad, and I'm not the least frustrated with it.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)Like holders for phones, everyone wants a chance to fine their own special cover. I just bought my husband a cover for his iPad that he says is "perfect" for him. It protects it, allows him to adjust it to read it hands free both horizontal and vertical. Which is all he usually does with the iPad--no writing on it. So it's perfect.
Never underestimate the power of fashion. By leaving off the cover, Apple created a whole marketplace of tablet cover-makers, and once again, each person can get not only what they need, but what they like.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This sucker goes with me to fires.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...something that frustrated them to fires? I mean, seriously, you must really feel it's reliable and useful.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)From the field and sent photos
phylny
(8,368 posts)I use my iPad every day at work. I'm a speech-language pathologist and there are tons of apps I use with my kids during speech therapy. There is also an app I use called Proloquo2Go that, coupled with the iPad, is as great as an AAC device costing upwards of $8,000.
At times when I'm traveling or when my laptop has been sent out for repair, like now, I even use my iPad to read DU and respond to threads like his one. Oh, and I even typed on the little keyboard on the screen.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)I'd love to be able to do that with my laptop. i've always thought that when it's time to crash it'd be nice to just set up a book to read, remove the screen and take it to bed.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)ASUS makes a few, IIRC.
Rex
(65,616 posts)If all they have is hype, count me out. iPad users are not frustrated, they just don't know how to set their email accounts lol.
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)I love my iPad.
Right now I'm laying down listening to Frankie Valli, playing 'words' with my husband, peaking at DU now and again, reading a book I've been working on and switching to review notes for a class.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)But Bill is right in the sense that without those two options, I would be frustrated by the iPad. I got my iPad as a gift and immediately ordered those two things. I had been planning on saving up for the Microsoft tablet because of those reasons.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)laptop sometimes, then twist it around and it's a tablet. We didn't buy one because of the price (the Lenovo Yoga 13 one was like $999) - we ended up buying a desktop because I do some heavy-duty Excel work even at home, and an iPad (we also bought the bluetooth keyboard for it) for only a bit more.
However, I do think the convertible ultrabooks will be very popular in the coming years. It gives you the portability and ease of carrying of a tablet, as well as the power & hardrive of a laptop (though, ultrabooks do have smaller solid-state Hard Drives)
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Bill flunks usability 101.
While you can create plenty of content on a tablet, it is not meant to be the heavy lean forward workhorse that the bloated Office suite demands.
The tablet is meant for a different use case - namely of being able to be connected and interactive while on the go. When I need a laptop, I take a laptop. I don't always need a laptop.
L-
d_r
(6,907 posts)I had a ton of different pdas over the years. I had a rex that you could put in a pmcia card slot. A hand spring visor that ran palm os. A compaq ipaq on win ce, a phillips nino, a compaq convertable windows xp tablet, a samsung ultramobile pc. Hell I had a timex sinclair when I was a kid and a lunchbox pc in the late 80s early 90s. Right now between my wife and two kids we have in this house two laptops, one desktop, and one old laptop that continues to play Animal Jam and Club Penguin as a desktop, three android tablets and one android game tablet, a kindle, a nook, a kobo, three nds', two mp4 players and probably other stuff that I could put here. Our coat closet is a graveyard of digital cameras.
The reason for stating that is that I've played with a lot of gizmos.
Here's what I think.
I can't really think of much of a reason for a surface unless you are committed to having only one thing.
Just my opinion.
For taking pictures I'd rather have a camera. I have a water proof/shock proof one that is just fun to use. My phone is OK for backups and for posting to social media, but I'm glad I have a new camera for summer vacation.
For reading a book, I'd rather have e-ink. A rooted glowlight nook that can do nook, kindle and cool reader for side loads is the best thing around right now for reading, imho. And you can get that for $100. One of our tablets is a 10" I got thinking it would be good for reading pdfs, but I would so much rather read on e-ink I "gave" it to my wife.
For playing games, I'd just as soon have a gaming device. The kids like the tablet games, too. If you need a little time diversion game, then the e-ink games or phone games pass.
For calendar and email on the go, nothing beats my phone. Its what pdas were trying to be years ago. GPS is great on a phone too.
For streaming video, my tv is best. For kids watching video in the back of the car I like tablets and mp4 players better than a dvd player, but both still get use.
For really working. Listen, I got a new dell 14" I-3 with 8 gigs of ram and T hard drive from amazon on closeout for $302. I put kubuntu on it and imho it is wonderful for working on. I wouldn't want to do the type of work I can do on this on a surface. It was so much cheaper than a surface it is silly, and so much more useful. Is it as portable? NO, but the nootered nook and my phone are.
For looking at the internet in the bathroom or something the small 7" tablet is nice, but I've gotten to the point that if I have a "lap" like when sitting on the sofa, I'd rather use a laptop.
The problem that MS is making is trying to make a swiss army knife. So you have to make compromises. You end up with a keyboard, but a keyboard that is too small to really type on. You end up with a color screen but one that is too small. You end up with "office" but on a little screen with a little keyboard. I'd rather have a laptop. In my office I'd rather have a desktop with big dual monitors and a wireless keyboard that I can prop my feet up on my desk and type away. Honestly, I think the pronouncement of the death of the actual computer has been way premature, and I think MS has made a mistake chasing the tablet form factor too hard. Tablets are great for recreation, I love the form factor, but in the end it is a toy and nobody really "needs" a $1,000 facebook machine.
I love mobility and realize that a tablet is more mobile than a notebook, generally, but I also realize the screens are squat in sunlight, etc. I'd rather have a good phone plus an e-ink reader for mobility. Of course people with different jobs and needs have different jobs and needs.
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)Just really just come out and tell everyone that uses Microsoft products they are stupid, moronic, and just plain ugly and they should just give up as a human.
I use all Microsoft products. They work great and wonderfully together.
Yavin4
(35,421 posts)A billion dollars buys you a nice pair of brass balls.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)dawg
(10,621 posts)bobduca
(1,763 posts)Windows 8 is... the worst mistake MS has ever made.... And I say that as a windows user, computer professional and as someone who is actively developing apps for windows, ios and android... 8.1 is going to come out and still be forcing this horrible user interface onto the users. Don't get me started on how useless RT devices are...
ugh.
DeschutesRiver
(2,354 posts)My laptops run xp and I use them for many things.
But as of a month ago, I bought a refurb ipad just to see if I found it useful. It has been so enjoyable that I wish I had done this a long time ago.
Yeah, there are things I don't like, one being the need to use iTunes. But there are many things I do not like about windows and I still use it on my laptop.
I am on a trip now and this is just the most convenient thing to use to get online. Needed a tire fixed, needed to change/add reservations in national and state parks, and my dog may need to see a vet here. My iPad with 3G has made doing these things on the fly much easier. Not to mention all the videos, articles on Pocket and podcasts I downloaded to read along the way. Plus the hiking sites and much much more. It has been more convenient than I had imagined; even the smaller size is nicer for old me than pulling out the bigger laptop for simple things.
I will say I only picked the iPad because the refurbs were so much less, figuring I could try something else later. But I am sticking with this now because it truly fits my needs.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)It goes against everything he has ever stood for.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,396 posts)but if I'm really wanting to write something longer I definitely prefer to have a physical keyboard, which is why I'll never ditch having an actual desktop computer.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)at most. Same for smart phones, etc, and no the Surface Pro isn't a suitable replacement either, because tablets, due to their form factor, lack the flexibility and robustness of a full fledged desktop or laptop computer.
Not to say that tablets have no options, whether its the Surface, Android, or Ipad, all 3 can have physical keyboards, through bluetooth. Same for mice and some other accessories. Hell, I was able to use a Wii controller as a video game controller on my Android phone, without buying any accessories. Gotta love industry standards.
But, they are still limited, get a wifi only tablet(so not tied to any specific service) and try to connect to the internet outside of wifi areas. Good luck, while me, on my netbook, can tether it through USB to my phone, and use its 4G network connection, at no extra charge from the cell company. Not to mention my netbook has over four times the storage of a Surface Pro, and its RAM and hard drive can be upgraded.
And this brings us to software, Windows 8, the OS with two personalities, on one hand, its default, tablet interface, is inadequate for use on a desktop PC, while the desktop is retained, but it takes third party hacks to make it usable with minimal interruptions from the tabletOS part.
This is going to divide up the application development for Windows, with Windows 8 "apps" through the Store, which will be gimped and geared towards tablets, and full fledged Windows Applications like we are used to, like Office. The problem is that interoperability is minimal, and instead of having two operating system, you have one.
The key is this, Tablets, and Metro, iOS, and Android, are mostly for content consumption in more casual environments, whereas MacOS, Windows 8 Desktop, Linux, and many other OSes are mostly for content creation, development, writing, etc. Different interfaces, for different devices and uses, unfortunately Microsoft thought it would be great to combine the two, I'm still baffled as to why.