With full and proper security & cameras- the 3 kidnapped women found yesterday

[graham4anything]

might have been found on day one
OR
might never have been kidnapped at all if the people who did it knew they would be discovered instantly

Cameras everywhere can go far in stopping abuse of all kind

Maybe Etan Paitz would still be alive today with 2013 security in place then

instead of thinking of negatives all the time, stop and think about the positives.

Maybe Elizabeth Smart would never have gone through the ordeal she went through

etc.

people speak about freedom and freedom taken away, mostly in conceptual thoughts

Then real life sneaks up and smacks us in the face-
freedom. The 3 (now adults) know about REAL freedom lost and now found.

And one shivers in fear that perhaps it wasn't only 3 and there might have been more.

[hobbit709]

1. Welcome to the brave new world of G4A, where everyone has to live in Gitmo.

[graham4anything]

8. I just shake my head in sorrow and sigh.

do you even know what you are fighting for? (or maybe the correct phrase is
do you even know what you are fighting against?

[hobbit709]

11. Evidently you are the one that doesn't understand freedom and liberty.

You are quite willing to sacrifice all for your "security"-I am NOT.

My mother was 7 when Hitler "annexed" Austria, Even as a child, she learned fast what it was like to have to watch everything you said or did because the Gestapo was everywhere.

My birthplace would be hard to find
It changed so many times
I'm not sure where it belongs
But they tell me the Baltic coast is full of amber
And the land was green
Before the tanks came
One day I learned just how it used to be
The devils' curse brought the whole world to it's knees
And it was "Hey you, keep your head down
Don't look around, please don't make a sound
If they should find you now
The Man will shoot you down"

It's a mighty long way out of the darkness
To where the sun is free to shine
Oh! The truck came by to put us in the back
And left us where the railroad tracks cross the line
Then the border guide took us by the hand
And led us through the hole into the promise land beyond
And I can hear him now
Whispering soft and low
"When you get to the other side
Just run like hell"

I thought I had a quiet place
Where I could learn how to catch my childhood dreams
But on my left and to my right they keep on shouting
While I'm stuck in between
Lord! I'm tired of running and I don't believe I can
I can hear them calling time and time again
And it's "Hey you, keep your head down
Don't look around, please, don't make a sound
If they should find you now
The Man will shoot you down"

John Kay-Renegade

[graham4anything]

14. My Jewish mother was kicked out of Austria because a drone didn't drop on Hitler

I am Jewish, so cut the bull.

I don't take Magic Carpet Rides like John Kay did

and btw, NO if Jewish people had guns, it wouldn't have helped.
and my great uncle shot himself in the head with a gun not wishing to leave Austria

But a drone on Hitler the day before he did anything sure would have

Penicillin is NOT the gestapo, though of course, penicllin doesn't make a good soundbyte
and doesn't fuel the whine vineyards

[hobbit709]

15. to take your non sequitur points in order.

1. where did I mention Jewish.

2. Do you know what John Kay wrote that song about?

3. Once again, who brought Jewish and guns? Some of my relatives also spent time in the camps-they were Socialists, a few didn't make it.

4. So you are all in favor of "Protective reaction strikes"

5. Penicillin has nothing to do with having to watch what you say and do.

But reality doesn't intrude on Planet G4A aka Planet Bozone.

[graham4anything]

18. My mother born in Austria is Jewish and you bought Austria into the conversation.

btw, if wellness is so bad

Why did Chris Christie just get that lapbelt surgery even though he curries favor with the tea party all the time?

wellness means doing everything one can to be well

[hobbit709]

19. you seem to have an inability to answer the questions asked but always misdirect instead.

[premium]

49. Geeeeeeeeeez dude,

what does Chris Christie have to do with the thread?
You know what I find hilarious? The fact that your going off on a tangent....................ON YOUR OWN THREAD.

[baldguy]

50. Any society that would give up a little security to gain a little liberty

Will deserve neither and lose both. Some people refuse to understand this, and believe the US would be more free as an anarchic wasteland where you couldn't leave your house without armor & arms. Still others seek to make it so.

[Nimajneb Nilknarf]

166. I never patented my inventions. I never enforced copyright on any of my works.

I left them all in the public domain for the good of humanity.

Mr. baldguy, you certainly have a right to pervert my words into the exact opposite of that which I was attempting to convey, but I have to call into question the motives of a man who would do such a thing.

[baldguy]

167. HA! Backwards Franklin!

Extremely appropriate, actually.... Ben understood something that you obviously do not: that the two are unavoidably intertwined.

[Nimajneb Nilknarf]

171. Real freedom and real security are indeed intertwined. Giving government the ability to monitor

all of our public activities is not real security. It might occasionally facilitate capture of a criminal after the fact, but never in history has anyone been made safer by being placed under constant surveillance; with the exception of inmates in high-security prisons, of course.

It may give you a false sense of security, but only as long as the government in power is one you find agreeable.

Imagine how history might have played out with President Richard M. Nixon or the elder George Bush given the power and the ability to monitor all conversations that were made over the public telephone network. Or if King George III had somehow been able to broadly eavesdrop on conversations taking place in the American colonies. I'd sooner have given tactical nuclear weapons to General William Tecumseh Sherman.

[baldguy]

172. .

[WinkyDink]

81. I'll have what you're smoking.

[blm]

92. Gish Gallop

.

[WinkyDink]

80. "kicked out of"? As for Hitler: The Allies NEVER bombed the rail-lines, so mull THAT one over.

IOW: We didn't try to stop the Holocaust per se. We would not have droned Hitler. We didn't even bomb his bunker.

We went after civilians: Dresden; Hiroshima; Nagasaki.

We RESCUED NAZI SCIENTISTS. CAN YOU SAY "WERNER VON BRAUN"? I thought you could.

[KansDem]

100. Funny you mentioned this...

The Allies NEVER bombed the rail-lines...

During 1983-84 I visited a friend in Switzerland for a few months. One day when we were taking the train from the town of Uster to Zurich (about 20km) when we passed an empty field just before arriving at the Zurich stations. Our Swiss host pointed over to it and said, "That's where the allies bombed once." I asked him to explain further as I understood Switzerland to have been "neutral," and he told me that the allies, by bombing an empty field, were giving them a warning about letting the Nazis move troops by train through Switzerland to Italy, a much more direct route. I don't know if the Swiss heeded the warning, but I thought it odd then that the Germans were able to move its troops without the Allies stopping them.

[WinkyDink]

128. And even with defeat imminent, the Nazis kept the camp-trains moving.

[WinkyDink]

87. BUT HITLER WOULD HAVE HAD THE CAMERAS. Oops! Flaw in your plan.

[kestrel91316]

104. We are fighting against the world of Orwell's 1984.

And you, my friend, are fighting FOR it.

I had my suspicions about you. Now I'm certain.

[demwing]

101. Correction: "everyone has to live in Gitmo for their own protection." /nt

[Riftaxe]

2. I was discussing this earlier

but if you can find a link it would be great.

[graham4anything]

6. Gina DeJesus, Amanda Berry and Michele Knight were found alive...(link to story inc.)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cleveland-women-missing-decade-found-alive/story?id=19121589

Three young women who vanished a decade ago near their homes in Cleveland were found only miles from where they disappeared, and three men have been arrested in relation to the incident, according to police.

Gina DeJesus, Amanda Berry and Michele Knight were found alive, and Cleveland Police Commander Keith Sulver said all three women were getting medical treatment but seemed to be in good condition.

"All of them are doing well. They all look good," he said. "They're all talking. They're aware of everything that's going on, and we're just very happy that they're safe and in good condition."

[Riftaxe]

12. thanks! nt

[trumad]

3. Let's put a camera in your bedroom.

Why not?

[pinboy3niner]

4. Another one?

Wouldn't that be redundant?

[Turborama]

7. How about cameras implanted into everyone's forehead?

And compulsory uploading of the footage to a central processing center?

Or just microchip all the children.

The sort of scary scenario that just a step away from what the OP is proposing and sounds like something Plilip K Dick probably wrote about.

[graham4anything]

10. Yet people pay $100s to have GPS in their cars and mapquest on their computers

many people refused vaccinations due to Wakefield

and many refuse penicillin when it first came out

many people also still think that world is flat and there is no climate problem.

[Turborama]

20. So, what are you saying? that forehead-cams and microchipping kids isn't a bad idea? n/t

[graham4anything]

21. wellness is in. Cigarettes, 48 ounce sugar rushes & guns, bullets are out

wellness=safety

[Turborama]

23. That doesn't make any sense. n/t

[hobbit709]

24. NONE of G4A's posts do.

[madinmaryland]

126. He is due his beer and travel money!!

[azmom]

146. Where has

random thoughts gone?

[madinmaryland]

150. Welcome to DU!

He got banned a couple of years ago.

[azmom]

158. Thanks

He got banned? I had hopes that he would come back. Now I'm sad.

[pinboy3niner]

25. Isn't it obvious?

Security cameras everywhere = wellness. Bing Crosby says, "Duh!"

[graham4anything]

42. Some see what they want to see and disregard the rest, la la la '(c) paul simon

[pinboy3niner]

48. You forget that Simon also wrote 'The Dangling Conversation'

It's a still life water color,
Of a now late afternoon,
As the sun shines through the curtained lace
And shadows wash the room.
And we sit and drink our coffee
Couched in our indifference,
Like shells upon the shore
You can hear the ocean roar
In the dangling conversation
And the superficial sighs,
The borders of our lives.

And you read your Emily Dickinson,
And I my Robert Frost,
And we note our place with bookmarkers
That measure what we've lost.
Like a poem poorly written
We are verses out of rhythm,
Couplets out of rhyme,
In syncopated time
Lost in the dangling conversation
And the superficial sighs,
Are the borders of our lives.

Yes, we speak of things that matter,
With words that must be said,
"Can analysis be worthwhile?"
"Is the theater really dead?"
And how the room is softly faded
And I only kiss your shadow,
I cannot feel your hand,
You're a stranger now unto me
Lost in the dangling conversation.
And the superficial sighs,

In the borders of our lives.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

170. I see a bridge and someone who resides under it. nt

[premium]

51. He never does.

I lose IQ points every time I read his word salads.

[JHB]

91. I recommend the absurdist dressing

Sometimes the best defense is some good nonsense.

[LondonReign2]

84. Can we please get g4a

his beer and travel money already?

[TheFutureWillCome]

106. Damn

can't even make a little sense.

[pinboy3niner]

109. Welcome to DU

Nice to meet you, TheFutureWillCome!

[TheFutureWillCome]

143. thanks

rock on

[uppityperson]

161. Eggs Benedict Recipe

Eggs benedict is also great made with slices of smoked salmon in place of the bacon. If you are in or around New Jersey, try it with Taylor ham.

Add to shopping list
INGREDIENTS
8 pieces of bacon or 4 pieces of Canadian bacon
2 tablespoons chopped parsley, for garnish
4 eggs
2 teaspoons white or rice vinegar
2 English muffins
Butter
Blender Hollandaise

10 Tbsp unsalted butter
3 egg yolks
1 Tbsp lemon juice
1/2 teaspoon salt
Dash of cayenne or tabasco
METHOD
1 Start with the bacon. Heat a large skillet on medium low heat. Add the strips of bacon or the slices of Canadian bacon. Slowly fry, turning occasionally, until the bacon is browned on both sides, and if using strip bacon, much of the fat is rendered out (about 10 minutes). Use tongs or a fork to remove the bacon from the pan, set on a paper towel to absorb the excess fat. Don't pour the bacon fat left in the pan down the drain! Either sop it up with paper towels when it has cooled a bit, or pour it into a jar to be used later (see rendering bacon fat).

2 While the bacon is cooking, bring a large saucepan two-thirds-filled with water to a boil, then add the vinegar. Bring the water to a boil again, then lower the heat to a bare simmer.

3 Make the blender hollandaise. To make blender hollandaise, melt 10 Tbsp unsalted butter. Put 3 egg yolks, a tablespoon of lemon juice, 1/2 teaspoon salt in a blender, blend on medium to medium high speed for 20-30 seconds, until eggs lighten in color. Turn blender down to lowest setting, slowly dribble in the hot melted butter, while continuing to blend. Taste for salt and acidity and add more salt or lemon juice to taste.Transfer it to a container you can use for pouring and set it on a warm – but not hot – place on or near the stovetop.

4 Poach the eggs. Here is an easy method for poaching eggs. Essentially, working one egg at a time you crack an egg into a small bowl and slip it into the barely simmering water. Once it begins to solidify, you can slip in another egg, until you have all four cooking. Turn off the heat, cover the pan, and let sit for 4 minutes. (Remember which egg went in first, you'll want to take it out first.) When it comes time to remove the eggs, gently lift out with a slotted spoon. Note that the timing is a little variable on the eggs, depending on the size of your pan, how much water, how many eggs, and how runny you like them. You might have to experiment a little with your set-up to figure out what you need to do to get the eggs exactly the way you like them.

5 As soon as all the eggs are in the poaching water, begin toasting your English muffins. If you can’t get all the muffins toasted by the time the eggs are ready, gently remove the eggs from the poaching water and set in a bowl.

6 To assemble the eggs benedict, butter one side of an English muffin. Top with two slices of bacon or 1 slice of Canadian bacon. You can trim the bacon to fit the muffin if you’d like. Put a poached egg on top of the bacon, then pour some hollandaise over. Sprinkle some parsley over it all and serve at once.
Yield: Makes 4 one-egg one-muffin servings of eggs benedict.

[cali]

32. and some of us can actually make discerning judgments, dearie.

not YOU of course.

[LanternWaste]

71. It then appears many people still cherish the ability to choose,

It then appears many people still cherish the ability to choose, regardless of whether or not you may approve of that choice.

[WinkyDink]

83. Yes, there are those WHO CHOOSE TO DO THESE THINGS. KEY WORD: CHOICE.

[rrneck]

123. Okay glass... nt

[Chan790]

16. It was how that caught that traitorous Winston Smith. n/t

[riqster]

36. But he learned to love Big Brother. A happy ending.

[demwing]

111. Only fair, we've had a camera in yours for a month, easy

and none of us suspected you could yodel like that. I mean...damn!

[pinboy3niner]

114. Who knew he'd scream like that in the throes of passion?

Rut-roh. I think we're all in trouble now.

[alarimer]

133. I'm sure he'd been more than willing to share that with everyone.

Not that we'd want to see it, but still.

If you've got nothing to hide...etc.

[RandiFan1290]

5. We need door to door searches of every house!!

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you!

[pinboy3niner]

9. And thorough, full body cavity searches of everybody

As Bing Crosby said, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

[Warren Stupidity]

13. If we just surrender all rights to the state we can have ice cream every day.

[Chan790]

17. ...and chocolate rations. That's doubleplusgood! n/t

[pintobean]

22. I think you should lead the way

and disclose your real identity and address, so we can start the surveillance immediately.

Another g4a fail.

[cali]

33. +1

aaargh. that poster.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

26. You need to rethink this. Cameras have not prevented bank robberies or

shoplifting. Criminals and crazy people will always find a way to avoid the cameras, or simply take them out. Surrendering to the Big Brother State makes no one safer...and everybody a victim.

Ben Franklin said it best... I'm sure you're familiar with the quote...it deserves repeating: "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"

[pinboy3niner]

28. Are you sure that quote wasn't from Bing Crosby?

[Sekhmets Daughter]

31. Now that you mention it.......

[tblue]

113. No. It was Bill Cosby.

[graham4anything]

38. Ben Franklin said- an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Better quote.

Ben Franklin was talking about 2013's cameras and drones

as was Teddy Roosevelt and his big stick comment.

[cali]

41. bullshit. he most certainly was NOT fucking talking about drones and cameras, pumpkin

and he almost certainly would have thought that you were a craven and timid little person willing to trade liberty for a fleeting sense of false security.

your orwellian dog shit has no place here at du.

I really wish you'd have a pizza, honeypie.

[graham4anything]

43. Yes, he was talking about it. And his temporary security was guns/bullets he was against

PERMANENT security (no guns/ no bullets- yes cameras yes drones) is what Benny meant.

people always forget the temporary word.

PERMANENT is not temporary.

[premium]

54. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Here,

[JHB]

94. He's a performance artist of a sort

It's all about The Art of the Wrong.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

44. Absurd! n/t

[graham4anything]

45. it's Benny and the Jets, Jets=drones.

[pinboy3niner]

65. And 'Who'll Stop the Rain' = nukes

How would we ever interpret our world if we didn't have song lyrics?

[graham4anything]

66. who also said according to most people "there on the bathroom on the right"

[pinboy3niner]

74. I personally heard him sing the line, "There's a bathroom on the right" at several concerts

Which, of course, has nothing whatsoever to do with your non sequitur responses to other posters.

[pinboy3niner]

52. Bullshit! I have it on good authority that it was Bing Crosby who said that!

[WinkyDink]

85. A killing DRONE = "an OUNCE of prevention"?

[Arcanetrance]

122. You my friend and your ideas are everything he was against

In that time period you would have sided with those wishing to stay with England. After all that was the safe and secure bet for the time.

[HereSince1628]

57. the use of the false linkage of the year expands into a new realm

"Criminals and crazy people"

The prevalence rate on this one is impressive.

[graham4anything]

64. and the 2nd part of that statement you reply too, that poster also is wrong proven by Boston

where the thrillkillers posed on camera many times, including the 7-11 and were instantly
i.d.'d by family and friends once those pictures were released.

While it might not stop the crime, it leads to quick arrest, which is what my OP was saying.

In today's world, America's most wanted don't last too long in the open

The son of Sam (NY serial killer) was caught by a parking ticket, with today's security would have been caught after the first shooting, if not earlier.

[WinkyDink]

86. Suuure. Every criminal in London is now caught. Right.

[MannyGoldstein]

27. Good idea! Let's end lawyer-client privilege too.

And the right to search without a warrant.

And the necessity of a warrant to wiretap. Oh, I forgot, we got rid of that one.

And the right to public assembly. Ooops, I forgot, we got rid of that right for anyone left of center.

And the rights to habeas corpus and judicial due process. Well I suppose those are gone too.

So I guess Obama's doing a good job of getting rid of some pretty ill-conceived "civil rights". But we have a lot more work to do.

[idwiyo]

37. +1

[graham4anything]

40. The ACLU got Oliver North and any discussion of Iran/Contra off.

and LBJ is 1000 times more liberal than Elizabeth Warren.
and LBJ didn't vote for Ronald Reagan (who was indeed around while LBJ was alive).

[graham4anything]

46. Like your rights are gone, yet you post thousands of times on an international board

unless that ugly mask rightwing extremist with no name (who might be Karl Rove), closes it down of course

the hyperbole of it all.

[LondonReign2]

89. See Manny?

You're able to post things! On an internet board! Thousands of times! And heck, you might even be able to vote yet (unless you've been disenfrachised, caged, or otherwise "accidently" wiped from the roles, then oops).

Obviously you have all your rights, you ingrate!

USA! USA! USA!

[MannyGoldstein]

108. I will consider myself schooled.

And try to do better next time.

[cali]

29. gad. disgusting. your post is frightening in its eagerness

to embrace a totalitarian police state.

Ugh.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

53. Do you really think he believes the crap he spews?

I think he has one of these strapped to his ass:

[LondonReign2]

96. I'm starting to suspect its all an elaborate piece of performance art

[cali]

99. lol

I don't know. I'm an idiot for letting his posts get to me. I waver between thinking he's a troll and more disturbing, thinking he's for real.

[reformist2]

30. I see this suggestion has gone over like a lead balloon. LOL

[cali]

34. alas, that never ever gives the poster pause.

[JHB]

98. 99 Red Balloons=Anthrax!

Dang! Forgot that the whole song=WMD meme is further upthread!

"99 lead balloons go byyyyyyyy...."

[boston bean]

35. This is just silly, Are you posting this type of stuff

to try to take things to an extreme and rile people up?

I don't even want to respond to this and give it a kick, but felt the need to say that I think you are possibly trying to troll this board, was important enough to type out this response.

If you aren't trolling and this isn't an act, then please get some assistance.

[Heidi]

61. !!!

Possibly?

I think you are possibly trying to troll this board...

[boston bean]

63. I was trying to be non-confrontational today!

And be a good little DU doobie!

[Heidi]

67. You gotta cut that out, b b!

I almost didn't recognize you!

[boston bean]

70. We all got to mix it up sometimes, no?

[Heidi]

73. Indeed!

Glad to see you!

[boston bean]

110. same here!

[cali]

39. of course among other things, this post is fucking ridiculous

and offensive as hell.

[randome]

47. Cameras in public places, yes. But 'cameras everywhere' is too much.

[NCTraveler]

55. I always thought I knew who you were.

But LoZoccolo was much more stable. You last couple of posts have really been out there. When you first came on and started posting I really enjoyed them. There seemed to be a purpose. Something has gone wrong over the last couple of weeks. The disconnect is becoming stronger and stronger. Take care my friend.

[hobbit709]

59. I think he's a cross of LoZo and Random Thoughts.

Blithering nonsense and Hillary/Obama worship.

[NCTraveler]

68. Even Random Thoughts seemed to have a purpose.

I did miss the last week or two of Random Thoughts. I heard it was a little rough. G4A referenced multiple things when he first showed up that made me certain he was Lozo. I thought he just did a little style change in order to start anew. Now G4A seems to really be undergoing a personal change. I know it is just a message board, but people really do have problems. Sometimes places like this can give people the contact they need without associating with people in the real world and those who care about them. I really hope that is not the case here. Just seems to be going through a mental change is all I am saying.

[Dr. Strange]

124. Naw, more iverglas + Random Thoughts.

[madinmaryland]

127. EGADS!! A cross between...

Dr. Strange and madinmaryland.

Does that result in a LynneSin??

[Dr. Strange]

131. Not likely.

Where would the Delaware love come from? Both of us have an aversion for tollbooths.

[madinmaryland]

134. Yeah. There are a brazilian reasons why that would never happen!!

[oneshooter]

162. Don't forget the Bloomberg fetish, hero worship.

[madinmaryland]

165. Huh?

I wasn't talking about graham4whatever.

[oneshooter]

168. My mistake.

[hobbit709]

144. Not vicious enough for iverglas.

[Fumesucker]

56. With full and proper security & cameras Anne Frank wouldn't ever have made it into hiding

How a person of Jewish heritage can fail to see the implications of giving the state God-like powers of surveillance I cannot fathom.

At the turn of the twentieth century Germany was among the most advanced democracies on the planet, in 1901 anyone who accurately predicted the horrors to come at the hands of that government would have been dismissed as a raving lunatic.

Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

[LanternWaste]

58. Or nothing at all would have changed.

Or nothing at all would have changed.

Prophecy is nothing to base law on...

[Dreamer Tatum]

60. I notice your screen name isn't your full name

and your signature contains neither your SSN nor your address.

Why not?

I also notice you never post coordinates from where you are writing.

Why not?

You've had thousands of opportunities to post your financial information on DU - why haven't you?

[Brickbat]

62. The key to performance art is to quit while you're ahead.

[Heidi]

69. That may be the key to distinguishing a performance artist from a

oh...whatta ya call it? You know, a dwarf or giant in Scandinavian folklore inhabiting caves or hills.

[Brickbat]

72. Indeed.

[Heidi]

77. I think what we're seeing here

is the 10-hour version.

[Brickbat]

82. Still going at it...

[Turborama]

117. Sadly not. He passed away last year after a major stroke.

RIP Eduard Khil

[Brickbat]

119. Yeah, I know. But he's Forever In Our Hearts.

G4A, OTOH...

[Courtesy Flush]

75. And GPS microchips!

And national ID cards, and warrantless searches. We can be the safest people on earth.

unrec.

[Smarmie Doofus]

76. Maybe Mayor Bloomberg would have an even larger data base of pics and names....

... and personal info of people who lawfully exercise their right to dissent by assembling in public places.

[Courtesy Flush]

78. Remember Jaycee Lee Dugard?

Another abducted child. Parole officers even searched the perp's house without finding her (She was there).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Jaycee_Lee_Dugard

[WinkyDink]

79. LONDON: "Tens of thousands of CCTV cameras, yet 80% of crime unsolved"

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/tens-of-thousands-of-cctv-cameras-yet-80-of-crime-unsolved-6684359.html

London has 10,000 crime-fighting CCTV cameras which cost £200 million, figures show today.

But an analysis of the publicly funded spy network, which is owned and controlled by local authorities and Transport for London, has cast doubt on its ability to help solve crime.

A comparison of the number of cameras in each London borough with the proportion of crimes solved there found that police are no more likely to catch offenders in areas with hundreds of cameras than in those with hardly any.

In fact, four out of five of the boroughs with the most cameras have a record of solving crime that is below average.

[bluedigger]

88. It worked perfectly in New Orleans.

"In seven years, New Orleans' crime camera program has yielded six indictments: three for crimes caught on video and three for bribes and kickbacks a vendor is accused of paying a former city official to sell the cameras to City Hall."

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/10/new_orleans_scr.html

[baldguy]

90. What the paranoid anti-security morons fail to comprehend

Is that with hundreds of cameras in any given metro region recording public areas 24 hrs a day - nobody will have the funding or the manpower to ever monitor them. The only time those images will ever be accessed are during the normal maintenance cycle (once every few years, probably) or if an event occurs where we need to see what happened & who was involved.

[Fumesucker]

105. Anticipating advances in technology is so moronic

It's only a matter of algorithms which are increasingly sophisticated on nearly a daily basis and computer hardware which is constantly improving and getting cheaper before the capability of tracking everyone in real time solely by camera will be here.

The cameras are already good enough, it's as inevitable as gravity that the software and hardware will improve to make use of the video capacity.

[baldguy]

142. The time to develop the rules for using this technology is *NOW*.

Before the 'bots have the ability to develop those rules themselves. And before some nefarious corporation can either.

If we let the coming surveillance network grow into our society organically rather than planning for it ahead of time, we'll wake up one morning with cameras literally everywhere, with no way of controlling how & when that data is accessed and by whom.

You can cover your ears, stick your head in the sand & and scream "NO! NO! NO!" repeatedly. That won't change the fact that this WILL happen.

[Iggo]

93. "....shivers in fear...."

Oh, does one.

[pinboy3niner]

95. At some point, DU admins must step in and act to eliminate disruptors

As entertaining as they may be, there is a point when enough is enough.

As the kids in the car ask, "Are we there yet?"

Please, please, please...

[randome]

97. I think a better option would be if you ignore the posts that seem nonsensical.

[Gormy Cuss]

138. A good ATA question. n/t

[gvstn]

102. I have no problem with individuals having security cameras

There was some kid (little girl) that disappeared a few years ago and there was great camera footage of her riding her bike as she left her house. I remember it because the camera footage was very high quality. Similarly some people have security cameras in their house and get great, clear footage of burglars. I'm all for those cameras and what they capture.

I don't want public cameras connected on a real-time network capturing everyone's every move. Too much potential for abuse. Yes, they would be great for back-tracking a known criminal's moves (like the 7/7 bombings in UK) but they could also be abused by abusive authorities. Think someone digging up dirt on an ex-girlfriend/boyfriend or trashing a political/business rival. In our "money/power makes right" society, I think there is too much potential for abuse without adequate consequences for the abusers.

[kestrel91316]

103. I don't want to live in a world where Big Brother is

watching and pondering my every move, thank you.

[bobduca]

107. people speak about freedom

Like Your Freedom to disrupt DU with copius dadaesque prose.

[SidDithers]

112. There were witnesses to the Berry abduction...

Her stepfather(?) saw her get grabbed, and have chase on his bike, but was unable to catch the car.

Sid

[liberalmuse]

115. This is a joke, right?

Congratulations! This is the most insane post I've ever read on DU, and I've been here for over 10 year s.

[X_Digger]

147. He's a caricature. We're having our collective legs pulled.

Someone over at that other site will eventually laugh their ass off at fooling some of us for so long.

[demwing]

116. Im not sure if you're a perfomance artist or a troll

or both! But since I don't have patience for any of the above, it's back on ignore for all of you!

[oneshooter]

163. Perfomance Troll or a Trolling Performer?

[lumberjack_jeff]

118. With proper surveillance of your liquor cabinet, this ill-considered post might have been avoided.

[SammyWinstonJack]

135. lmao

[The Straight Story]

120. If it saves just one life...And I would be against this, but then people will yell libertarian

(which is easy because then they don't have to argue any points, just call people names or dig up old posts to try to smear the poster.)

I wouldn't mind cameras everywhere if we start with the offices of senators and all the public places they go for dinner and back room deals. No more more closed meetings.

All cameras that cover public areas should be able to be accessed by the public. I can see no reason not to allow them to access and watch them if it is a public place being watched.

[Zorra]

121. Stalin lives! nt

[Safetykitten]

125. This has to be satire. Right?

[Locrian]

129. there was a book, I recal, hmmm...

oh yeah. 198 freaking 4.....

What a moronic post....

[alarimer]

130. Bullshit

Most likely, if other neighbors had been paying as much attention as this guy, they would have been found. You want to live in some "all surveillance all the time" kind of place, be my guest, but let the rest of us alone.

Bottom line, it's neighbors looking out for neighbors.

[Demo_Chris]

132. Masterfull trolling. I salute you sir. nt

[Cleita]

136. Elizabeth Smart was many times in full view of people in Salt Lake City,

yet no one thought it was suspicious that the crazy guy was accompanied by two women in veils including the police who should have questioned this oddity. I wonder if security cameras everywhere would have made a difference? The fact is that even though polygamy is against the law in Utah, it's well tolerated and people look the other way when they see a man with a group of women in prairie clothes and funny hairdos. Invading peoples' privacy is not the solution IMHO.

[graham4anything]

140. if one is out in public, there is NO right to privacy

anyone who goes somewhere where there is tv is told before hand that the game will be covered, and if you are with someone you don't want to be seen with, then don't be seen
by the cameras


however, with cameras everywhere one can pinpoint the moment of capture and that is the last known public movement of the person

If it saves one person from being kidnapped, it is well worth ten billion cameras

that's what technology is for.

and if one is not doing anything wrong, having a camera there to prove nothing wrong is done will go far to being found not guilty

I personally would rather be filmed by the government than some weird person with a cell phone. As everyone has cell phones, everyone already is filmed.

Cameras in Dallas and Memphis and a kitchen in Los Angeles might have stopped all those
loony conspiracy theories in the first place.

and all the cameras on 9-11 were able to prove it actually happened, unlike the conspiracy theorists who deny anything happened at all, and think the planes were not there (though they all were plainly seen, and that buildings did not fall and 3000 people died.

If everyone had a camera in Austria, maybe millions of lives could have been saved

of course, those people lost their civil rights

as did 82% of the nation when Jefferson issued his famous all men created equal thingy.

So in a land with slavery and no rights, a camera hardly takes away any right, and in fact,
gives people rights they would have lost with no documentation in it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

149. In Austria, after the Anschluss, the new government was very fond of surveillance.

That's how they rounded up the Jews and other people they found to be undesirable.

[graham4anything]

156. Again, I am Jewish. America is NOT Austria, as much as the extremists which to say it is

(in the style of Ted Kennedy-picture him speaking

it just isn't true

it just isn't true

it just isn't true

it just isn't true

it just isn't true

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

157. And, the Austrians probably said Austria wasn't Germany.

But, I would expect the usual "not as bad" statements from you.

[steve2470]

137. With all due respect and kindness....

I'd find something to do more productive with my time.

Unless you're being paid to do this. Even then.....

Just trying to help.

[lpbk2713]

139. Whatever happened to the unrec feature?

OMFG

[PD Turk]

141. that's great!

Can you do Rodney now? How about Eddie Murphy?

[premium]

145. Well, I gotta say, your ideas are certainly

(disclaimer: not saying OP is, just his ideas)

[Matariki]

148. Wow. Is this a deliberate flame post?

because,

[Coyotl]

151. Dash cam in every car, on every gun, with police access to your images

You know, just in case you speed, ruin a red light, of shoot a deer out of season.

[PeaceNikki]

153. WOW, you sure are a pro with those smilies and throwing attacks at DUers for a n00b.

I'd say welcome, but I suspect you aren't exactly 'new'....

[SirRevolutionary]

155. Even better yet

armed police officers in every home and to accompany all of us everywhere. As long as the CCTV cameras see you eating your state sanctioned GMO's once per day, you'll be allowed your 20 minutes of arts and crafts (with safety scissors in hand of course). If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

<-- just in case.

[txwhitedove]

159. K&R for all the replies to this OP. I concur, G4A is due his beer and travel money.

[rl6214]

160. I stopped reading at cameras everywhere.

[oneshooter]

164. It didn't get any better.

[Smarmie Doofus]

169. They shoot horses, don't they?

How 'bout this thread?

[Nimajneb Nilknarf]

174. It amuses me greatly to see how many people have been taken in by this fine piece of satire

Kudos to graham4anything for his dry wit and perspicacity.