Looks like folks jumped the gun - it was Angel Cordero that kicked down the door - he is the HERO!

[Tx4obama]

There was also another interview on CNN this evening and Angel said HE kicked the door,
and that Charles didn't show up until Amanda was outside of the house.

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“I helped her and I was first,” Angel Cordero said in Spanish.

On Monday, Ramsey, Cordero and other neighbors in a west side neighborhood of Cleveland helped Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight escape. The women had disappeared in separate cases about a decade ago.

“Ramsey arrived after she was outside with the girl,” Cordero said. “But the truth who arrived there, who crossed the street, who came and broke the door, it was me.”

Wintel Tejeda, who lives across the street from the suspect’s house, said others helped and when Berry came out, they gave her a phone.

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http://www.kypost.com/dpps/shared/man-who-helped-free-missing-cleveland-women-berry-dejesus-and-knight-i-did-what-had-to-be-done1368007752813_8474649

Man helps missing women escape from Cleveland home
Angel Cordero is main witness in missing Cleveland women investigation after he helps Amanda Berry escape from home

When Angel Cordero heard Amanda Berry frantically screaming for help he jumped into action.

"I go by the door. I said, 'What happened?' She said, 'I've been kidnapped for 10 years, call the police,'" Cordero said.

His heart was racing when he got to the door. He was afraid, not knowing if he was in danger himself.

Cordero started kicking the door. He was able to pry it open just enough for Berry to escape.

"When Amanda came out, she said, 'I need to call the police. He's coming back. He went to McDonald's for food, but he coming back. I need the police,'" said Cordero.

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http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/man-helps-missing-women-escape-from-cleveland-home/-/1719418/20051968/-/9y9dgkz/-/index.html

[malaise]

1. Reminds me of that great movie Hero

[PeaceNikki]

2. Amanda Berry is also a hero for breaking free and getting their attention.

She had to be terrified.

[MattBaggins]

3. How many posts against Ramsey do you intend to post?

Is this the third, fourth or fifth?

[CatWoman]

5. I was thinking the exact same thing about you

[MattBaggins]

6. I haven't posted a single OP about Ramsey

so that would be mighty strange of you to think that

[CatWoman]

15. um, "duh"

i was agreeing with you

[eShirl]

21. maybe, but it doesn't read that way

[uppityperson]

27. Did you mean you were thinking the same thing AS him? Not ABOUT him?

[CatWoman]

40. my BAD

it should have been "you"

[Tx4obama]

9. Actually, 2 in GD and 1 in the video section. I rarely do multiple posts. I think we'll survive :)

[morningfog]

16. I am curious about your smear campaign, too.

[Tx4obama]

17. I am not smearing anyone. This was reported on the TV, CNN. n/t

[morningfog]

19. You are quite obvious on this.

[uppityperson]

28. What "smear campaign" do you mean? I haven't been on DU much today. thanks

[Turborama]

35. Well...

There's this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022818055#post31

[Turborama]

4. He's also said he he and other neighbors helped Ramsey break down the door

Even though he said: ""Ramsey arrived after she was outside with the girl,""

"I helped her and I was first," neighbor Angel Cordero told local NewsChannel5, referring to Amanda Berry, the 27-year-old hostage who signaled for help.

"Ramsey arrived after she was outside with the girl," Cordero told the reporter in Spanish.

"But the truth who arrived there, who crossed the street, who came and broke the door, it was me."

Cordero said he and other neighbors helped Ramsey break down the door of the Seymore Avenue home.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cleveland-neighbor-charles-ramsey-freed-captive-women-article-1.1338192#ixzz2Sl2v17hv

Charles has always said he wasn't the 1st.

He left. I jumped on my bike, went to McDonald's. Came back home, I'm in my house, but I'm in the living room and I'm right by the front door, because I'm looking out the front door, and man, this girl screamed like a car had hit a kid, which made me, you know, stop eating, what the hell was that. You know, so when I got up, I saw this - my neighbor across the street, he run across the street and I'm, like - I'm thinking, where you going, because ain't nobody next door because I just saw Ariel leave.

And I know ain't nobody over there. Heard that girl scream and saw him run across the street, and I went outside and wondered what he was doing, and - Amanda said, I'm stuck in here, help get me out. So he - guy don't know English that well or panicked, he just looked at me and it's a girl. And that's all he did. So here I come with my, you know, half eaten Big Mac and I looked and I said well, what's up.

And she's like I've been trapped in here, he won't let me out, me and my baby. I said well, we ain't going to talk no more, come on. I'm trying to get the door open, I can't, because he torture chambered it some kind of way and locked it up, right? So I did what I had to do and kicked the bottom of the door, and she crawled out of it. She grabs her baby, which threw me off, all right, so fine. I got some girl and her kid.

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COOPER: Amanda Berry then, what, asked to call 911?

RAMSEY: Mm-hmm. And I took her to my house. Now I'm nervous as hell so I'm fumbling with my phone, so I finally get it right. She can't wait and I don't blame her. So what I do was tell her go across the street and use their phone. Now we're both calling 911. Now she gets through and I get through. She deal with a moron, me, too.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/07/transcript-video-charles-ramsey-ac360-exclusive-invu/

It's Angel's word against Charles'. I think I'm going to go with the guy who didn't wait until the other one refused to take the reward before telling his story.

Anyway, Amanda knows what happened and the truth will come out eventually.

[MattBaggins]

7. Is there only one "hero" allowed per incident

or can we give them all a bit of thanks for helping out these poor girls?

Why do we have to destroy the credibility of any of them?

[Turborama]

11. No, of course not - despite what the OP is atttempting to do.

I'm just trying to help get the facts straight as the OP seems very determined to diminish Charles' credibility and participation in saving the victims.

[MattBaggins]

13. I wasn't trying to accuse you if I came across wrong

I think everyone who helped these girls should be thanked.

[Tx4obama]

20. And all I am doing is posting about what I heard on CNN.

[Turborama]

31. Your subject line wasn't written by CNN

Looks like folks jumped the gun - it was Angel Cordero that kicked down the door - he is the HERO!

And there's this:

Angel Cordero is the person that kicked down the door for Amanda Berry

Cleveland Hero Did Time For For Domestic Violence

President Obama will probably need to stay real far away from Charles Ramsey

Together they look like an attempt to diminish Charles' credibility and participation in saving the victims.

[uppityperson]

37. Thank you, I see how they could be taken that way though 1st is in another forum (vids) without

editorializing. I see your point, also good to get out other info as things develop.

Anyone who participated deserves credit. Did you see earlier today a newbie promoting a site to raise money for Charles Ramsey? I am suspicious of it all, cynical of people's motives.

But very glad these women (and child) were finally rescued.

[Turborama]

42. It is editorialized and their motive is made clear here..

I think Charles Ramsey fibbed, and Angel is telling the truth.

[Number23]

10. "It's Angel's word against Charles'."

"the truth will come out eventually."

Why does it seem as though you and the OP are trying to pit these two against one another? If you concede that Charles admitted that he wasn't the first one there, then what is the problem? Whether one or both of them saved these people, why isn't that the most important thing here?

[Turborama]

12. See post #11

[newmember]

33. Not really

Amanda is going to know who kicked down the door and helped her out.

[Number23]

41. I don't think she'll be nearly as petty as some people on this board are

She'll be thankful to everyone that helped. Everyone.

[treestar]

8. So he says

One thing is he doesn't speak English, does Amanda speak Spanish? Cordero gives us a translation.

[LisaL]

38. Angel speaks English.

The first interview of him was in English. He is just more comfortable in Spanish.

[bluedigger]

14. Doesn't take long for revisionist history to kick into gear, does it?

Let's wait for Angel's rap sheet to hit the media, and then we can pick a new hero.

[morningfog]

18. I'm sure the OP is frantically searching for the smear.

[Tx4obama]

22. There's no need to be rude.

[morningfog]

24. Says the one smearing the good deeds of others.

For reasons unexplained.

[Tx4obama]

26. How the hell am I smearing anyone? What do you have against Angel Cordero?

[morningfog]

29. Don't try to make this about me.

You editorialized and gather all the articles to present one side after your post on Ramsey history. It is obvious to all but you I guess. Or your cute and innocent act is just that. Why don't you tell us what you have against Ramsey.

[Junkdrawer]

23. This is just sad.

Trust me. Years from now you'll look back and see this is not one of your finest moments.

EVERYONE WHO BROKE THROUGH THEIR APATHY AND HELPED IS A HERO.

Not hard at all.

[Tx4obama]

25. I do not know what is wrong with saying that the person that broken down the door is a hero?

Charles had several days in the spotlight.

In my opinion Angel should get the attention that he deserves

Bottom line I think this is a case of the media rushing to get a story out without having all the facts of what happened.

[nolabear]

30. Well, I expect Amanda will eventually straighten things out. But I thought he didn't speak English.

Apparently they had a pretty extended conversation.

[LisaL]

39. You thought wrong. He does speak English.

[randome]

32. I need to change my sig line so it's more prominent.

This entire 'hero debacle' is silly. We don't need to declare anyone a hero. We just need to congratulate them on what they did.

All of them.

Then move on.

[alp227]

34. WELL SAID! The bottom line is, both men did the RIGHT THING...

Angel (a fitting name by the way) by breaking down the door and Charles by calling police.

[Junkdrawer]

36. I guess there are bigger wastes of time than figuring out who is the bigger Hero....

in the Cleveland kidnapping rescue.

It's just that I can't think of any offhand.