This is so sad,

[sheshe2]

Boston Marathon fund chief: Lower expectations

Attorney Kenneth Feinberg said at a public meeting Tuesday that the $28 million One Fund Boston won't pay out nearly enough to fully compensate the families of the three killed or the more than 260 injured, and may not pay much of anything to those with less serious injuries.

SNIP:

Feinberg's draft plan for distributing the money reserves the highest payments for the families of the three killed in the bombings — Martin Richard, Krystle Campbell, Lu Lingzi — and for the family of MIT Police Officer Sean Collier, who was shot to death by the bombers as they attempted to flee. Those who suffered brain damage or double amputation of limbs also have top priority.
Next are those who had single limbs amputated, followed by those who were injured enough to require overnight hospital stays.

SNIP:

During the two meetings, family members of victims presented sometimes excruciating dilemmas, including one woman who on Monday said her daughter lost one leg, and doctors were working to save her other one. The woman asked whether she should file for compensation as a single or double amputee.

SNIP:

"This is a horrible undertaking," Feinberg said. "It raises questions that I believe would defy Solomon in getting answers."

http://news.yahoo.com/boston-marathon-fund-chief-lower-expectations-204850116.html

[MrSlayer]

1. The fact that anyone has to pay anything is sad.

How I wish we heard the words "Medicare for All" back in 2009. Instead of the Heritage Foundation monstrosity we ended up with.

Such an easy sell that would have been. But noooooo, corporate profits are much more important.

[NCarolinawoman]

2. ****

[graham4anything]

3. Maybe Nader's voters in 2000 should have thought about it, instead of defiance & anti-parties

and maybe the animosity to Jimmy Carter should have been toned down in 1980.
(ditto to LBJ in 1968).

The court is only as good as the President who picks the members of the court
And the democratic party did not pick the 5 plus 2 more recent that make up the 5 to 4 divide.

If only people realize giving the middle finger to the democratic party defeats whatever these rebels think they are doing.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

4. A new low for you.

Think about what you're saying before you unleash your offensive verbal diarrhea on the world.


The fact that people are suffering and the first thing you think of is Ralph Nader means you need to get off all the message boards you spam 20 hours a day and interact with people in real life. Have a bit of humanity.

[graham4anything]

6. The response #1 to the OP is anti-corporation, anti-health care.it is political

Last edited Thu May 9, 2013, 02:24 AM - Edit history (1)

If one doesn't like corporations, one doesn't like the 4 to 5 court.

Instead of thanking the fund itself, and working for more $$$$ from more corporations

Corporate money is good in cases like this, not railing against it.

So the thread itself is political.

Don't any of the victims have health insurance?
That is what health insurance is for.
Which is why everyone should have it, and those that do would already be covered.

so tell me, the thread itself is on a political board, and is angled toward a certain viewpoint.
see? (just I guess only one viewpoint is wanted, not a conversation on a political board.)

but another ad-hominem. Quaint.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

7. None of this makes any sense.

Its textual diarrhea. No one has said anything about being anti-corporation or anti-healthcare.

I'm sure a lot of the victims did have health insurance. However a 20% coinsurance plan on a quarter million dollars worth of medical bills is still a lot of money. Combine that with time missed from work and other expenses and things add up quickly. Get it?


Keep blaming the victims though. If only it were as simple as "getting some health insurance".

[graham4anything]

8. instead of adhoming me, read the response someone else wrote below.reply #5

Actually, co-insurance has a limit out of pocket.
Mine is the first $7500 after deductible. The rest is 100% paid.

with NO lifetime cap.

That is the beauty of President Obama's health care and why it is mandatory in 2014 for everyone to have it.
The point is not the fine, the point is to have the insurance.

France has a great 100% pay it forward healthcare, best in the world.
But yeah, tell that to the republican party that owns the house.
They hate the French, remember Freedom fries?
However, France has higher taxes for everyone while they are healthy, and it matters little if one is working or not. It is available for all.

Now, I do agree the doctors should all donate their time pro-bono in cases like this,
and give the rehab needed after. Doctors shouldn't even bill at all. it gotta start with the doctor. And if the doctor does that, and the drugs/other necessities can be donated,
then it bypasses the whole paper work.
But it should start with the doctor as they are the integral part of the whole thing.

Now tell the republicans to vote for it.
The democratic party never had 60 votes and Al Franken was only seated half a year after he won the election. Too bad more voters in his state didn't vote for him so it wouldn't have been close.

and why is it you only respond negatively to my posts not others who agree with me?

[JDPriestly]

23. Doctors would probably be much more generous with their time and work

if their education were not so terribly expensive. It takes a long, long, long time to become a qualified doctor. And then you face repaying your student loans and repeated examinations. It is not an easy life. The hours are long as it is.

I would not ask more of doctors than they are now giving us. We expect them to handle the responsibility of making life and death decisions every day without complaint.

Contrast that with the millionaires on Wall Street who think only of themselves. Even their charitable giving is for show and for the return on improving their images.

Should corporations help to pay for the damages to the victims of the Boston bombings. Yes. But we should try to do everything we can to eliminate the feelings of anger, fear, frustration and impatience that lead to things like the Boston bombings. And we should watch out and help our friends to overcome their depression and feelings of anger and desperation. Bombs and guns are not the answer. Never. Never. Never.

Asking doctors to donate their time? Yes. If they feel so moved. But not if they don't. Why not ask Wall Street brokers to donate their time? They could afford it even better than doctors.

[graham4anything]

25. There are 1000s of doctors worldwide who could replace those here and do so remembering

why a doctor becomes a doctor in the first place. To heal not to make money.

doctors USED to be on call 24/7/365.
Now more than ever, some (thankfully not mine) are working 9 to 5 and not sharing with other doctors and are told they can't be reached.
Back when the doctor on the street corner would come over to your house if a family member knocked on their door at 2am and do so free of charge.
They had the same costs and schooling.

If you want socialized medicine, well then, doctors should get X number of dollars for this,
Y for that and not be allowed to charge more.

Everything in the system needs to then be changed.

We could be like France but then France is unloved by many in the USA (again witness
freedom fries which showed how stupid the republicans in power were at the time).

One cannot just snap their fingers and say THIS
it don't work like that.

This hatred against people who work for corporations(99% are just normal people, and those corporations give without taxing, very generous healthcare benefits, which I wish I had those low rates) is just political posturing.

And with better security, one can remove the threat from the street. I for one want that.
Others here do not. As long as one gun is in the street, one bomb, legal or illegal, one will never be safe in this world.
The wild wild west didn't allow guns in the street yet we do. Go figure.

and the stereotyping above. Putting down a whole group is the same as any form of 'ism there is. Just another stereotype to promote an angle.

Nobody gives charity for a tax deduction. The biggest deduction is 1/3, meaning it still costs 2/3. That line of reason is bogus.

[JDPriestly]

29. Doctors are exhausted. They work long hours, and when they come home, they study

so that they can keep up on the latest discoveries.

Lots of doctors volunteer, but generally, they need to do it through someorganization that provides working conditions that are good for their patients and insurance for them.

I come back over and over to the fact that doctors educated in the US have the best medical education anywhere. This is partly because to get into an American medical school you not only have to pass rigorous tests and meet academic standards but qualify through interviews and essays -- face an examination of your life and your reasons for becoming a doctor. They pay enormous amounts of money for their education and generally are either from wealthy families or face the burden of repaying enormous student loans when they finally finish university, medical school and their residency and perhaps even training in a specialty. It takes more years than you would believe to become a top heart or brain surgeon and skills that are hard to acquire to become a leading orthopedic surgeon.

If we didn't make our doctors pay so extremely much for their education and training, we might have more doctors who were from families with modest incomes who had more compassion for the poor. As it is, I know a number of doctors personally, and I do not question their compassion.

But they cannot just go out like lone rangers and volunteer without a framework, without staff, without a place to work that is safe for their patients, without medications and medical equipment and without an administrative structure that includes good insurance in case they are sued by their patients or crazy family members. That is the reality.

Some foreign-trained doctors are OK. Some are not. The American-trained doctors are carefully vetted at each stage of their training.

[madaboutharry]

27. Most doctors today work for corporations.

It is all about profit.

[sheshe2]

12. Please explain, graham.

You are saying the OP, my OP is anti-corporation and anti-heath care? Where did I say that?

Is it because Boston is rallying around the fallen and is raising money?

The people of Boston are gladly giving it. A benefit concert for Boston Strong, May 30th sold out in 5 minutes monday. That was 15,000 seats that were sold in a matter of minutes. The people of Boston paid for those tickets.

That was Boston standing for it's own. The corporate donations exceeded the peoples donations, however it was not by much.

Right now, no this is not about politics, graham. This is about the people of Boston.

I do not believe that I misconstrued your response. Please let me know.

It is very sad that the pain that we feel in Boston has become a political ping pong ball.

[graham4anything]

15. the response #1 to your op, to the article. Not to you personally.I edited to show that.

The responses all are construing the article.

I myself welcome all corporate help and the corporations are the ones that all the time get railed on, yet they make the benefit concerts possible.

Corporations do good things and I get tired of them being bashed when they do a good thing.

Same after Sandy.
(where the benefit had Roger Waters, sponsored by corporations, singing "Money" in one of the most ironic moments.

without the big corporations, the operating expenses would make benefits impossible as the corps make the arenas free, and they pay for the advertising, and all the expenses.

Which enables the money to be given to those that need it, as much as possible.

It's like St. Jude's. They advertise for people to donate, but they also solicit major corporations worldwide to donate, then if someone is ill they do not charge anything to the kids who are ill and the mothers and fathers to stay there.

So it's not you, it's the people who rail against corporations.
Lots not to like, but there is also lots to like.
People need to know that, and need to know which party is trying and which isn't.

And it doesn't help when there are people that go thread to thread writing the same
personal posts against me instead of debating the issues.

There should be no reason that 100% of all costs for life aren't there.
The lifetime cap is one of the most important parts of any insurance (small or large).
(Note-Christopher Reeve found that out very quickly after his accident. If not for friends and corporate help he would have been out in the street.)

More people should advertise the fact that President Obama's health care got (or gets) rid of the lifetime cap in 100% of the insurance, and that singlehandedly makes his plan great.

And it took alot to get that in there.
People keep overlooking that fact (not you).

[sheshe2]

18. Thanks for clarifying, graham.

I just get so upset, when every time I post about Boston, some come to vilify us for one reason or another.

I don't get it, I really don't. It pains me.

There is no heath care in the world that could cover what many lost here.

The little boy who died Martin, his little sister lost a leg. His mom has brain trauma. The dad is the only one left to help them and support them.

Again graham, Thank you.

sheshe




Public Donations:
$11,795,648

Corporate Donations:
$16,900,000
$28,695,648

[graham4anything]

19. +1.

yet the damn person alive that did it, got healthcare in the same hospital and people are defending that person and blaming all authority and corporations at the same time.

warped.

Boston showed what is great about the nation.(the love).
Why can't people come together all the time.

The applause when the 2nd hater loser was captured said it all. Woke me up too.
That's what gets me so mad. It should have been perfect now 40-50 years ago, and the Hatred wasted all that time.

[eridani]

22. Bullshit. Insurance is not care. Even after near-universal coverage in MA--

--50% of all bankruptcies are still due to health care costs. Almost all of those people were insured.

[MrSlayer]

11. Yeah, ok.

Maybe if, while we had majorities in both houses, someone in a position of authority, like say the Fucking President, uttered those three words, we might be in a better place.

That was the way to sell it. It's simple and to the point. And it has the added benefit of everyone across the political board being in favor of Medicare.


But no, corporate profits had to be the main point.

Sure, avoiding Reagan would have been the ideal but that was distant past as was the 2000 election by the time the circumstances I'm describing happened. It was there, the People would have been heavily in favor of it even if the corporate cocksuckers in Congress were not. We could have avoided the whole 2010 bloodbath.

[graham4anything]

16. NO lifetime cap is will be in 2014. The single most important item always overlooked in rants.

And the older elections are relevant- because Hillary and Bill tried in 1992 and couldn't get it passed.
One of the things Teddy Kennedy hated was that NOTHING was done after, and no foot in the door happened.
Had something happened back then, by now it would be perfect.
But 17 years were wasted after that til 2009.

Sure 100% is nice, but the door is now open, 17 years later, and it will keep being better.

I for one hate that all those years were wasted. Hillary and Bill tried.(and yet she is still hated by the same haters).

actions=consequences. NOTHING moved forward since the 1970s til 2009. Be happy SOMETHING moved forward, even if you don't think its anywhere perfect.

and getting rid of all corporations won't get better health care. It will just make more people unemployed, and still would leave the voters to decide which of the TWO parties can make their life better and which worse.(unless the other side gets sane leaders who want better).

Without corporations in these instances, there would be NO benefit concerts, as the arenas would cost too much and leave ZERO for the victims. The corps made it possible for Roger Waters to sing "Money" at the Sandy Benefit and have that money available for the victims. (big irony).

[Summer Hathaway]

5. Medicare for All

is a great concept.

However, calling it an "easy sell" is preposterous. It never was.

That's not because the vast majority of Americans wouldn't embrace universal healthcare if they knew how it actually works. It's because our 'friends' in the MSM continue to allow the Republicans to spew their lies about tax-funded healthcare, completely unchallenged.

If the media had fact-checked the GOP bullshit artists and called them on their BS, instead of giving them a limitless amount of airtime to blatantly lie about how successful a universal healthcare system is in all of the other nations who have adopted it, Americans would not be skeptically mulling over such a system - they'd be demanding it.

As long as the media allows - no, actually promotes - the idea that universal healthcare doesn't work (all facts to the contrary), it will never be an 'easy sell'.

[MrSlayer]

32. I don't disagree that the corporate media is…corporate.

But I do believe a message as simple as "Medicare for All" would resonate with the People in spite of the media noise. It was way too easy to take Obamacare (HeritageCare) apart.

Obviously, this party is too bought off to do anything that will really help people. But they could have. And that's what is so disappointing. The very fact that no one even considered it. But let there be a question that benefits the 1% presented in front of the Congress and you can bet on it getting universal support from the Republicans and lots of "bipartisan" support.

[Summer Hathaway]

33. Sorry, but ...

I am really tired of hearing how everyone is bought off, no one does anything to help the people, the 1% are all that matters, and so on and so on and so on.

Nothing personal towards you as an individual - but the rhetoric on this board is so over the top, it's bordering on insanity.

To hear DU tell the tale, no one has a decent job (and if they do, they're 'elites' or 1%ers), no one can afford a house or a car, or an education - and if someone does get an education, the education system sucks so bad, it's worthless.

There is no difference between Repubs and Democrats - all politicians are exactly the same. Ergo, there is no point in supporting anyone campaigning for office, or even voting.

Every decision Obama has made is the wrong one, or was made at the wrong time. Every appointment he has made is the wrong person for the job. Every statement he's made is on the wrong topic; when he talks about Y, he should have been talking about Z. When he talks about Z, it's because he's ignoring Y altogether. He talks too much, and not enough. And everyone on this massage board knows waaaaaaaaaaaaay more about everything - from national security to foreign policy - than Obama knows.

The paranoia is downright creepy, along with being laughable. Everyone is being 'monitored' in their every movement. Every email is read, every phone call is taped, every word spoken is recorded somewhere by someone from the gubmint (although no one has yet to explain exactly who is scrutinizing all of this massive amount of info on a daily basis).

The conspiracy theorists abound - every news item, no matter how trivial, is dissected in search of its hidden meaning. Every statement by a politician is parsed in order to extract some "what he/she is REALLY saying" type of hidden agenda.

Ignorance of the law is said to be no excuse. But on DU, that ignorance is astounding in its sweep. In the past week, we have been told by certain DUers that Bush and Cheney are self-admitted war criminals (must have missed that news item), and that Obama granted them pardons, along with immunity from prosecution.

A popular meme among many here is, "Obama could JUST DO THIS ...," which is usually followed by something illegal, unConstitutional, and/or physically impossible.

And then there are the RW trolls, who have found a comfortable home here - simply because Obama-bashing is now totally acceptable on DU, and the trolls recognize a welcome mat when they see one. And given the anti-Obama/anti-Dem BS that comes from alleged Democrats on this site, the trolls are accepted as brothers-in-arms, as being 'disappointed Dems' - who, of course, ALL canvassed door-to-door for Obama in the snow, sleet and rain, uphill there and back, donated to his campaign in sums they couldn't afford, only to realize they have been 'betrayed'. Spare me.

It has become perfectly acceptable - nay, even expected - on this "Democratic-supporting site" to call Obama a corporatist, a Republican, a Manchurian candidate, a liar, a thief, a lazy arrogant elitist who has not accomplished a single positive thing since his inauguration in 2009 - and the mere mention of his actual achievements are met with cries of, "Oh, noes, NOT the LIST again!"

In turn, Obama supporters are called Obamabots, idol worshipers, mindless cheerleaders - along with being told they are just too fuckin' stupid to "know" what's really going on. They are then told to "get thee to the BOG", that small corner of this Democratic website where those who support a Democratic president and his party are supposed to discuss amongst themselves, lest they disturb the bashers as they go about their business.

Democratic website, my ass.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. Wow. That's what you write in a thread which is about this:

"During the two meetings, family members of victims presented sometimes excruciating dilemmas, including one woman who on Monday said her daughter lost one leg, and doctors were working to save her other one. The woman asked whether she should file for compensation as a single or double amputee."

I can not say I support your priorities. What is important to you seems petty compared to the actual subject of this thread. Lots of material there about things people said to you on the internet, in a thread about a horrific set of life altering circumstances for our neighbors.
Sorry, Summer, that someone called you a name. That was very wrong of them. But damn.

[Summer Hathaway]

35. I was not responding to the OP

but specifically to someone's response to me.

Or is that no longer allowed here either?

I said nothing about someone calling me a name, or things people said to me on the internet. What I did talk about was the state of this particular website - which is pretty appalling.

[Jamaal510]

36. +1000

[MrSlayer]

37. I'm sorry you're tired of hearing the truth.

But these sons of bitches are bought off. How else do you explain every single major piece of legislation going to benefit the very few? How do you explain these horrendous "free" trade deals that have decimated our working class?

Democratic website your ass?

Democratic politicians my fucking ass.

The best man on the hill isn't even a Democrat. But Bernie Sanders stands right where the fucking center of this party used to be. Now the Democrats are Reaganites for Christ's sake.

Open your eyes.

[Summer Hathaway]

38. You might want to edit your response

you seem to have inadvertently left out some of the other cliches that are traditionally included in that standard reply.

"Open your eyes" - absolute classic.

[MrSlayer]

39. Typical. Can't refute the points so attack something meaningless.

Check this out.

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022823709

Check out all the fucking appointments. Banksters and Republicans galore.

There's a name for people like you, sucker.

Obsequious sycophant might also work.

Have a good day.

[Summer Hathaway]

40. I didn't attack anything.

I simply pointed out that your response was typical, and riddled with cliches.

But then I sometimes forget how rampant the paranoia is in these parts, where even a simple observation about cliches constitutes 'an attack'.

[marions ghost]

30. Ditto

[Cha]

9. Very sad, she..

Feinberg's warning to lower expectations wasn't lost on Dan Loring, whose daughter, Brittany, was so badly hurt by shrapnel from the first blast that she was in the hospital for 11 days. But the severity of her injuries still means she won't qualify for the largest payments, leaving her father wondering about money for her care, including out-of-pocket expenses associated with her three surgeries and rehabilitation.

Loring, who lives in Lancaster, Mass., said he walked two miles to his Cambridge hotel "just to clear my head" after a similar meeting with Feinberg on Monday night that drew about 100 people. A few dozen were at Tuesday's session, which Loring also attended.

"After leaving last night, I'm not so confident now we'll see much, if anything," he said.

May this Change!

thank you for the update, she.. BostonStrong

[sheshe2]

13. Thanks Cha,

Good to see a friend here...

she

[Cha]

14. Isn't it,

though, she?

Cha

[dkf]

10. Actually the people who are living might need it more.

Sad.

[JDPriestly]

24. That's my thought. We cannot replace the dead. We cannot bring them back.

We can relieve the suffering on this earth of the living.

Money does not compensate for a lost life. It never does.

But the father of Martin, in the midst of his sorrow, has to care for a disabled wife and daughter. What a heavy load. What suffering. And that is why he needs so much compensation. Because in spite of his grief he has to keep living and caring for injured family members. Fate can be cruel. He is the proof. No one should have to face what he is facing.

[Cha]

17. Good.. it's on the Greatest so more Peeps can

see it, she.

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Shouldn't the money be prioritized to the living?

You know, the ones with medical bills, rehab, etc?

The dead should get something I suppose, but isn't that what life insurance is for? To cover your obligations, debts, dependents?

Not trying to be an ass, just that it seems to me prioritizing the money to the 4 dead (3 bombing victims and one officer) is ass-backwards, feel-good, but unhelpful. You know for sure that police officer had death benefits and life insurance, at the least.

[sheshe2]

26. No one knows the whole story of their lives,

However I will tell you about the one I do know.

The little boy who died, Martin, his little sister lost a leg. His mom has brain trauma. The dad is the only one left to help them and support them. They for one do deserve our support, Bostons support.

We stand by our own here. We are doing our best to make things right for all.

There is more support coming, the Boston Strong Benefit Concert sold out in 5 minutes on Monday. All net proceeds will go to the victims. That was 15,000 tickets. The price range was $35-$285.

Business's are raising money, the one I work for is matching contributions 100%, no cap. My company is national, that could be a sizable donation, as are others.

To Boston~

[SoCalDem]

21. And if we had "Canadian-style" health care, the only thing the money would do

would be to replace lost wages, or to get job training for new professions for some..


But this is Yooooo-esssss-aaaaay, where we put health care for victims into a "donations, please" situation, with an overseer to judge worthiness

[marions ghost]

31. You put that well

[NCarolinawoman]

28. KICK! n/t