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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Thu May 9, 2013, 08:50 AM May 2013

41% Americans Believe Dinosaurs And Humans Lived Together - Now I Know We Are Stupid

The fact that anyone believes humans and dinos lived at the same time is too depressing to ponder. Now I know why I feel so hopeless at times. Now I know why so many people are unredeemable.

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41% Americans Believe Dinosaurs And Humans Lived Together - Now I Know We Are Stupid (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis May 2013 OP
Wha???? pipi_k May 2013 #1
You took my joke. n/t BeeBee May 2013 #43
The Flintstones was obviously just a cartoon LondonReign2 May 2013 #74
We do! Javaman May 2013 #2
But Ken Ham says the did live together... SidDithers May 2013 #3
I love that quote about the invisible and the non existent. mmonk May 2013 #5
He Is Of An Age To Have Studied This Text, Sir, As A Child.... The Magistrate May 2013 #24
Interesting way of phrasing things. Rex May 2013 #50
And those fossils Lithos May 2013 #51
I've read that Ligyron May 2013 #4
I know quite a few educated people who think humans still live with dinosaurs... HereSince1628 May 2013 #6
In The Sense That Birds Are Dinosaurs' Descendants In A Certain Line You Could Say Man And Dinos TheMastersNemesis May 2013 #10
I need more 5th grade level creation introduction... HereSince1628 May 2013 #13
this AngryAmish May 2013 #23
... completely misses the point? nt. Hosnon May 2013 #67
well, these are a very small percentage... JackN415 May 2013 #41
we do hfojvt May 2013 #47
Long ago, when Cladistic analysis was still being debated HereSince1628 May 2013 #54
Didn't Adam name the dinosaurs? BillStein May 2013 #7
Yes, he named them Fred, Wilma and Bam-Bam flamingdem May 2013 #42
"fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom." pangaia May 2013 #8
That figure probably represents burnodo May 2013 #9
Once all those pipi_k May 2013 #16
I guess people need their beliefs burnodo May 2013 #64
Paleontologists brought to tears, laughter by Creation Museum Loup Garou May 2013 #11
Didn't you know we still live with them? telclaven May 2013 #12
and ostrich, emu, extinct moa,... n/t JackN415 May 2013 #40
therefore, our tradition of eating Thanksgiving dinosaur! kwassa May 2013 #49
With stuffing! telclaven May 2013 #68
Crocs 'n' gators, too. Arugula Latte May 2013 #70
It's not stupidity, it's religous brainwashing killbotfactory May 2013 #14
hehehe... Maine-ah May 2013 #15
Ridiculous pipi_k May 2013 #17
it is one of my all time favorites... Maine-ah May 2013 #19
Meet Joe, chervilant May 2013 #18
AH YES, SOYLENT GREEN HowHasItComeToThis May 2013 #44
Funny... chervilant May 2013 #61
there's a lot of money in keeping people stupid datasuspect May 2013 #20
Ugh abelenkpe May 2013 #21
But, but, it's true....... marmar May 2013 #22
I've never known anyone that believes this BS. ileus May 2013 #25
You must not watch the Duggars then trixie May 2013 #81
What took you so long, LOL. BootinUp May 2013 #26
I'm skeptical of that number fishwax May 2013 #27
I want to agree with you, but... Orrex May 2013 #34
Remarkably, 41% is also the floor for the Republican party. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #28
Cheap oil is the only thing keeping this pathetic nation kestrel91316 May 2013 #29
Fun With Biblical Patriarchs And Velociraptors Vogon_Glory May 2013 #30
I know someone who is homeschooling their kids and teaching this very idea. I don't know what the Pisces May 2013 #31
Imagine that gopiscrap May 2013 #32
Two words: CARL BAUGH derby378 May 2013 #33
My mom died believing that was proof OriginalGeek May 2013 #38
That happened to a co-worker of mine a long time ago derby378 May 2013 #48
I went all 4 years of high school to a christian school OriginalGeek May 2013 #53
What are you implying? Don't tell me Santa Claus isn't real. JackN415 May 2013 #35
"WiiiiilllllMAAAAAA...." sibelian May 2013 #36
I blame William Hanna and Joseph Barbera for this..... wandy May 2013 #37
I bet most of them live in Texas and Alabama. OregonBlue May 2013 #39
Not the mama! KamaAina May 2013 #45
Where are you getting that number? A poll of Texans was only 30% SpartanDem May 2013 #46
Thats pretty much the exact number of Republicans in the country. DCBob May 2013 #52
I visit dinosaurs at the nursing home 2 towns over Riftaxe May 2013 #55
41%???? 41%????? Initech May 2013 #56
How do you explain these: sarisataka May 2013 #57
Of course they existed together. Didn't you see "One Million Years B.C."? badtoworse May 2013 #58
Then why are they no longer with us? Incitatus May 2013 #59
Naw, Jesus killed them. nt LisaLynne May 2013 #60
Here is Jesus lovingly cradling a cute lil' dino ... right before He snapped its neck like a twig. Arugula Latte May 2013 #71
How dinosaurs went extinct pintobean May 2013 #62
or... sarisataka May 2013 #75
Obviously if so many believe supposed surveys! whistler162 May 2013 #63
well, I saw a movie with onethatcares May 2013 #65
There is stupid, and there is ignorant. They aren't the same thing. kwassa May 2013 #66
once the shock of utter hopelessness wears off datasuspect May 2013 #69
You didn't grow up watching this show... undeterred May 2013 #72
"Lived together"? You mean without the benefit of marriage? Hardly Biblical morals if you ask me. Bucky May 2013 #73
Well you know how that goes... pipi_k May 2013 #79
Faith and Religon trunp HockeyMom May 2013 #76
Maybe not dinosaurs, but we do have some throwbacks. Just look at the last CPAC! ck4829 May 2013 #77
I believe it was Abraham Lincoln who said, Separation May 2013 #78
This shows not stupidity, but simply that critical thinking is denigrated in American society panzerfaust May 2013 #80

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
3. But Ken Ham says the did live together...
Thu May 9, 2013, 08:57 AM
May 2013


I mean, besides all those thousands and thousands of "scientists", with all their "evidence", who's to say he's wrong?

Sid
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
50. Interesting way of phrasing things.
Thu May 9, 2013, 05:45 PM
May 2013

Why did T have big old canines and why is there evil in the world? Sure those two sentences go together like peas in a pod! And of course the answer is...DON'T ASK JUST FEAR THE CLOUDS! And you will be smurt.

Lithos

(26,397 posts)
51. And those fossils
Thu May 9, 2013, 05:55 PM
May 2013

that I understand were found with another dinosaur inside are just mistakes...

L-

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
4. I've read that
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:02 AM
May 2013

and personally find it difficult to believe it's that high a percentage. I'm thinking 5% -- or maybe 10% tops. Nobody I'm even vaguely familiar with has ever espoused such a ridiculous belief. Course, I'm probably hanging around the wrong crowd, right?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. I know quite a few educated people who think humans still live with dinosaurs...
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:07 AM
May 2013

and it has nothing to do with creationism, it has to do with the idea that birds are the descendants of maniraptors and coelurosaurs.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
10. In The Sense That Birds Are Dinosaurs' Descendants In A Certain Line You Could Say Man And Dinos
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:16 AM
May 2013

lived at the same time and still do. And there are probably a lot of Americans who do not think birds are evolved dinosaurs either.

Bible thumpers believe in the "poof method" of creation and the God created everything as is it is today by " just saying so". And "poof" it was there in it complete form.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
47. we do
Thu May 9, 2013, 01:52 PM
May 2013

what about the coelacanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelacanth

"Coelacanths were thought to have gone extinct in the Late Cretaceous, but were rediscovered in 1938 off the coast of South Africa.[5] Traditionally, the coelacanth was considered a “living fossil” due to its apparent lack of significant evolution over the past millions of years;[4] and the coelacanth was thought to have evolved into roughly its current form approximately 400 million years ago."

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
54. Long ago, when Cladistic analysis was still being debated
Thu May 9, 2013, 06:03 PM
May 2013

I read a paper about how that particular approach to taxonomy could cause cows to be fish because of rules controlling something called paraphyly. So I suppose the same thing follows for coelocanths and dinosaurs

But, generally, when people say dinosaurs they mean descendants of the archeosaura that are in a subgroup of ornithodira known as the dinosauromorpha

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
8. "fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom."
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:12 AM
May 2013

Humm.. I'd say fear is the end of any chance at wisdom.

if THAT is one of the proverbs in the bible, better not read the rest of them...

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
9. That figure probably represents
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:15 AM
May 2013

a lot of Bible believers who think dinosaurs existed but were created only a day or two before man

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
16. Once all those
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:36 AM
May 2013

bones and fossils started showing up, they needed some way to explain it, I guess.

The other side of that is the people (like one of my sisters) who believe dinosaur fossils/bones were "put there by God to test our faith". Yep, that God...he's just a big ol' prankster!

Another one, a family friend, thought that the bones didn't prove anything because there weren't enough of them, and anyway, how do we know they weren't just very large dogs or horses whose bones were put together by scientists trying to "prove" dinosaurs existed at some point... Let's not even get into the fact that many of those skeletons were found intact...



 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
64. I guess people need their beliefs
Thu May 9, 2013, 07:56 PM
May 2013

it roots them, grounds them, in reality...er, wait, no...grounds them in... I don't know.

Loup Garou

(99 posts)
11. Paleontologists brought to tears, laughter by Creation Museum
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:17 AM
May 2013



PETERSBURG, Kentucky (AFP) — For a group of paleontologists, a tour of the Creation Museum seemed like a great tongue-in-cheek way to cap off a serious conference.

But while there were a few laughs and some clowning for the camera, most left more offended than amused by the frightening way in which evolution -- and their life's work -- was attacked.

"It's sort of a monument to scientific illiteracy, isn't it?" said Jerry Lipps, professor of geology, paleontology and evolution at University of California, Berkeley.

"Like Sunday school with statues... this is a special brand of religion here. I don't think even most mainstream Christians would believe in this interpretation of Earth's history."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jiVuN2BMp6tmuGBGOedALIY4_FaA
 

telclaven

(235 posts)
12. Didn't you know we still live with them?
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:22 AM
May 2013

Ever see turkeys in the wild?

Feathered, miniature tyranosaurus rexes, all of them.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
14. It's not stupidity, it's religous brainwashing
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:30 AM
May 2013

It's what people are taught to believe from birth, by everyone they know, love, and trust. It's taught to people as fact before they can think critically. These aren't neutral observers over viewing the facts and deciding on the dinosaurs and people coexisting.

Everyone was told some kind of bullshit "fact" by somebody they knew as a kid, and probably believed it without question for a long period of time. Sometimes those "facts" are reinforced by their families and peer groups, leading to stupid shit like this.

Okay, maybe there are some people who don't believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old, and Noah's flood didn't happen as described in the bible, and that ancient evolutionary ancestors of humans roamed around with dinosaurs, but I doubt it.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
18. Meet Joe,
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:40 AM
May 2013

who lives in rural Arkansas. Joe is an activist, daily creating and distributing DVDs to "educate his brethren about what's coming." His 'knowledge' is a vast array of fact and fiction couched in religious terminology. He is certain that we're facing the "end times." He is certain that evil walks among us. He is certain that the uber wealthy plan to round us all up and put us in 'slave-labor camps.' He knows this because "the government is behind 9/11." Joe is the local source for a multitude of religious DVDs that are professionally produced, and provided for a pittance.

Joe wouldn't question the 'dinosaurs with humans' meme, because he -- like so many others -- is more concerned with what's happening now and in the near future. Moreover, Joe is NOT stupid, and he doesn't sound or act like a rube.

Joe -- and the vast number of humans like him -- is a much bigger concern for me. His world view is impenetrable and resolute. Challenge his precepts, and you will find yourself on the receiving end of a polite and gently uttered rant, adjuring you to attend his church and learn the knowledge vital to help you through the end times. He won't change his mind, and he won't stop. And, calling him stupid won't change anything.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
61. Funny...
Thu May 9, 2013, 07:07 PM
May 2013

He made reference to that iconic movie himself -- after observing that our food supplies are already toxic and addictive.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
25. I've never known anyone that believes this BS.
Thu May 9, 2013, 10:28 AM
May 2013

And I live in a red state...where did the poll these people?

Maybe they polled kids after watching the Flintstones?

trixie

(867 posts)
81. You must not watch the Duggars then
Fri May 10, 2013, 05:39 PM
May 2013

They buy into it and are passing it on to their 19 and counting kids and their grandkids.........And the Bates do too and it is being televised as family friendly.

Orrex

(63,084 posts)
34. I want to agree with you, but...
Thu May 9, 2013, 10:54 AM
May 2013

I know a disturbingly large number of adults who have no idea how the planet is.

I'm not talking about people who've bought into the 6000 year nonsense, but rather people who simply have no idea about it at all.

"I don't know. A million years?" That kind of thing.

I'm willing to bet that most of them have no concept of how long a million years is, either.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
29. Cheap oil is the only thing keeping this pathetic nation
Thu May 9, 2013, 10:37 AM
May 2013

propped up now, too, and when you combine teh stoopit with that, it's only a matter of time before we are too weak to defend ourselves.

Somebody is watching..........and waiting. Probably the Chinese.

I hope I don't live to see the consequences.

Vogon_Glory

(9,084 posts)
30. Fun With Biblical Patriarchs And Velociraptors
Thu May 9, 2013, 10:38 AM
May 2013

I once poo-poohed the creationists' tale about dinosaurs living at the same time as humans by saying that I'd reconsider my stance against creationism if someone dug up the well-chewed remains of a too-slow Biblical patriarch and his band of sheep along with the remains of a velociraptor or an Allosaurus. Some Praying Janie (My nickname for a Holy Joe's female counterpart, BTW) indignantly wrote me back insisting that not only was I a liar, but that dinosaur bones had been dug up with the remains of chlorophyl in their Mesozoic dentition.

Pisces

(5,592 posts)
31. I know someone who is homeschooling their kids and teaching this very idea. I don't know what the
Thu May 9, 2013, 10:38 AM
May 2013

future holds but I am terrified that my children have to live in a country where 41% are raising complete morons.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
33. Two words: CARL BAUGH
Thu May 9, 2013, 10:52 AM
May 2013

His "Creation Evidences Museum" down in Glen Rose, TX got this whole thing going.

In the meantime, my wife took me to the state park next door to show me why those weren't human footprints after all. Complete with real dino footprints.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
38. My mom died believing that was proof
Thu May 9, 2013, 11:05 AM
May 2013

of human/dino co-existence. I can't speak for most of them now as I left that culture 30+ years ago but when I was kid everyone I knew believed that bullshit.

My mom also died pretty sad that I didn't believe that bullshit.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
48. That happened to a co-worker of mine a long time ago
Thu May 9, 2013, 05:40 PM
May 2013

Martha was convinced those were human footprints, and seemed incredulous when I explained how they couldn't have been: "Well, then, anything can form the shape of a footprint at that rate" or something like that.

Very sweet lady, but also a bit opinionated. She was diagnosed with inoperable brain tumors after complaining of constant headaches, but managed to keep her spirits up to the very end. I visited Martha at her hospital bedside.

You've probably also been told that seashell fossils in the Rocky Mountains are proof that there was a global flood instead of plate tectonics, I assume.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
53. I went all 4 years of high school to a christian school
Thu May 9, 2013, 06:00 PM
May 2013

I don't remember much of any sciency stuff being taught..

I'm sure I heard about seashells in the Rockies somewhere as it seems a familiar concept but I doubt it was because they taught me anything about it.

I DO remember being told about the dinosaur bones being planted by god for funsies. And that christian women wore skirts that fell below the knee. And christian boys wore their hair off their collars and off their ears.

The only solid memory I have of science being taught at my high school was the day we were told no donors stepped up to pay for us to get frogs to dissect so we would just have to look at pictures. 4 years and that's the only science lesson I can remember. The Lord always answers prayer - but sometimes the answer is "no". Actually, judging by the reactions, I think some of the girls in the class DID get their prayers answered.


If I didn't sneak and watch Nova on PBS late at night on my little B/W TV in my room I might not know a damn thing at all.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
36. "WiiiiilllllMAAAAAA...."
Thu May 9, 2013, 11:00 AM
May 2013

... well, it's a compelling idea. Can't you just see Noah paddling the ark away from Skeletor with goofy googly-eyed brontosauruses wrapping themselves around the mast?

If you tell people what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear, well.... so it goes.

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
46. Where are you getting that number? A poll of Texans was only 30%
Thu May 9, 2013, 01:45 PM
May 2013

I'm very doubtful that a national poll would be higher than a conservative state like Texas.



Poll: 30% of Texans believe humans and dinosaurs lived together
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2010/02/poll-30-of-texans-believe-humans-and-dinosaurs-lived-together/

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
55. I visit dinosaurs at the nursing home 2 towns over
Thu May 9, 2013, 06:13 PM
May 2013

several times a week and I certainly consider myself human....have to love etymology.

sarisataka

(18,199 posts)
57. How do you explain these:
Thu May 9, 2013, 06:26 PM
May 2013









I found these on the internet and read on the internet that you cannot put anything that is not true on the internet and that one there even says verified and verified means it really really is so so how do you answer that smartie?

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
59. Then why are they no longer with us?
Thu May 9, 2013, 07:02 PM
May 2013

Last edited Fri May 10, 2013, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Do they think early humans managed to exterminate all of them?

edit - Forgot about the flood for a minute. I guess Noah didn't have room after boarding the millions of other species on his boat.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
66. There is stupid, and there is ignorant. They aren't the same thing.
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:23 PM
May 2013

Though stupid and ignorant travel together very well.

Most people know next to nothing about history, and little about science, either. This does not mean they are completely unintelligent, simply that they have no education in this area at all. The idea that humans and dinosaurs lived together in the undifferentiated concept of the distant past means mostly that these people know nothing about that era. It is a statement on education in America.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
79. Well you know how that goes...
Fri May 10, 2013, 04:34 PM
May 2013

If they had let Fred and Barney get married, pretty soon people would want to marry dinosaurs...

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
76. Faith and Religon trunp
Fri May 10, 2013, 04:19 PM
May 2013

Science. Now they want to rewrite Science Textbooks to include the Religion "science". My son-in-law is a Science Teacher and has said he would quit teaching if he had to teach RELIGION.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
78. I believe it was Abraham Lincoln who said,
Fri May 10, 2013, 04:28 PM
May 2013

"%89 of all statistics on the Internet are BS."

I would love to see where these numbers came from. Maybe if they polled people leaving the Genesis Museum. I have a really hard time believing these numbers.

 

panzerfaust

(2,818 posts)
80. This shows not stupidity, but simply that critical thinking is denigrated in American society
Fri May 10, 2013, 05:03 PM
May 2013

A 2009 Harris Poll is reported by author Michael Shermer as showing that of our fellow citizens:

82% believe in God
76% believe in miracles
75% believe in Heaven
73% believe in Jesus is God or the Son of God
72% believe in angels
71% believe in survival of the soul after death
70% believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ
61% believe in hell
61% believe in the virgin birth (of Jesus)
60% believe in the devil
45% believe in Darwin’s Theory of Evolution
42% believe in ghosts
40% believe in creationism
32% believe in UFOs
26% believe in astrology
23% believe in witches
20% believe in reincarnation

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