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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu May 9, 2013, 12:14 PM May 2013

Give Me An “F”! Creationists Fail a Fourth Grade Science Test

By Phil Plait | Posted Thursday, May 9, 2013, at 10:16 AM

This came out a while back, but I wanted to see if it could be verified before writing about it. Via Elise Andrew at “I F’ing Love Science” on Facebook, I see it has in fact been verified. According to Snopes.com, this is the first page of an actual “science” quiz given to fourth graders at a school in South Carolina.

-snip- (copy of test page at link, below -- Don)

Once you’ve stopped screaming in rage and/or pounding your head against the desk, let’s discuss this.

To start with, this photo is real, and was part of a quiz given at Blue Ridge Christian Academy, a private religious school. Since the school is private, and not public, this is not a violation of the First Amendment (unlike the flagrant stomping of the Constitution going on in Louisiana). In other words, this school can legally teach this. My complaint, therefore, is not a legal one.

My complaint is one of simple reality. Young-Earth creationism is wrong, and it’s certainly not science. For that reason alone, ideally it shouldn’t be taught as truth anywhere, let alone a science class.

And it’s not just wrong, it’s spectacularly wrong. It’s the wrongiest wrong that ever wronged. We know the Earth is old, we know the Universe is even older, and we know evolution is true. Any one of these things is enough to show creationism is wrong. In fact, all of science shows creationism is wrong, because creationism goes against pretty much every founding principle of and every basic fact uncovered by science. If creationism were true, then essentially no modern invention would work. Since you’re reading this on a computer, that right there is proof enough.

full article
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/05/09/creationism_in_school_science_quiz_gets_it_totally_wrong.html?wpisrc=newsletter_jcr:content

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Give Me An “F”! Creationists Fail a Fourth Grade Science Test (Original Post) DonViejo May 2013 OP
I agree it is sad Enrique May 2013 #1
Like what? Pelican May 2013 #7
appeals to reason are useless when dealing with unreasonable, delusional people.... mike_c May 2013 #2
Wait ...what? demwing May 2013 #3
Scientific method? ArtiChoke May 2013 #10
Basically the argument is that science, and inventions work... Humanist_Activist May 2013 #11
Well, at least the stupid is limited to a small number of humans snooper2 May 2013 #4
A girl wearing PANTS?! OriginalGeek May 2013 #5
I feel like the girl in jeans... Pelican May 2013 #8
How many of them are wearing both Heywood J May 2013 #12
No matter how naturally bright a person may be, they are still hobbled.... Walk away May 2013 #6
let's talk about the legality, too.. Phillip McCleod May 2013 #9
So my question is... theHandpuppet May 2013 #13

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
1. I agree it is sad
Thu May 9, 2013, 12:21 PM
May 2013

they are doing those kids wrong.

This author makes it a point that he is not talking about the legalities, but I wonder about that. There have to be some limits, right?

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
2. appeals to reason are useless when dealing with unreasonable, delusional people....
Thu May 9, 2013, 12:21 PM
May 2013

Rational people read this sort of article and slap their foreheads at the stupidity of superstitious nonsense, but believers simply turn their brains off and entrench their delusions.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
3. Wait ...what?
Thu May 9, 2013, 12:24 PM
May 2013

"If creationism were true, then essentially no modern invention would work."

I just don't get it...

ArtiChoke

(61 posts)
10. Scientific method?
Thu May 9, 2013, 02:06 PM
May 2013

They may be alluding to the application of the scientific method which gives rise to the theory of evolution which most spurs the creationist ire.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
11. Basically the argument is that science, and inventions work...
Thu May 9, 2013, 02:15 PM
May 2013

because there are no exceptions to naturalistic explanations, if miracles were real, science wouldn't be reliable, and any inventions derived from observation and experimentation wouldn't be guaranteed to work a second or third time.

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
8. I feel like the girl in jeans...
Thu May 9, 2013, 12:38 PM
May 2013

... may be heading up to Myrtyle Beach for spring break in a few years. Just a spidey sense guess...

Heywood J

(2,515 posts)
12. How many of them are wearing both
Fri May 10, 2013, 08:18 AM
May 2013

cotton and polyester?

Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
6. No matter how naturally bright a person may be, they are still hobbled....
Thu May 9, 2013, 12:30 PM
May 2013

by the garbage planted in their brains. Think of the advantages children will have who aren't intellectually handicapped. I suppose people who won't stand up and purge their schools and governments will pay a steep price for generations. Just look at most of the 3rd World. What have they taught their children?

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
9. let's talk about the legality, too..
Thu May 9, 2013, 12:48 PM
May 2013

maybe it's legal under current law, but let's consider what types of policies could be legally implemented to address the issue of religion-based 'science' curriculum in schools and home-schools.

seems to me that it is probably constitutional to require students at a religious school that teaches creationism in 'science' class to attend a regular secular school to receive corrective instruction in actual science.

can't stop them from teaching lies, but we can require the students to receive supplemental instruction if the curriculum falls short of basic standards. which teaching creationism *does*.

in cases where religious instruction is *all* the student is receiving, then i think that instruction could be considered supplementary, and the student should be required to attend a regular school full time.

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