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Well, there ya go: Cheney Opens Himself to Subpoena Regarding 9/11, Iraq, Torture and Valerie Plame http://huff.to/1791iOo via @HuffPostPol
____ When a former member of the Executive calls for Congress to subpoena another former member of the Executive, it is a game-changer. No longer can he rely on "Executive Privilege" to block his own testimony.
Former Vice President Dick Cheney has suggested that the GOP subpoena former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton again on Benghazi.
Fine and dandy. Let us first subpoena Mr. Cheney to testify about 9/11, Iraq, torture and the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame.
Unlike former Secretary Clinton, who has testified to Congress for hours on Benghazi, Cheney has never testified for one minute before Congress on any of these matters.
read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/gamechange-cheney-opens-h_b_3249743.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
Joan Walsh ?@joanwalsh 40m (sun)
Remarkable: the most political (and harmful for State) comment in the Benghazi emails came from former Dick Cheney aide Victoria Nuland
Skittles
(153,113 posts)and we were told we had to MOVE FORWARD
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And Boner sure as hell would not...
We had our chance with Pelosi as speaker and she promptly took it off the table...
The Wizard
(12,536 posts)in front of a hostile Senate committee. That is if Reid has the gonads to cut down McConnell in his tracks.
gateley
(62,683 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)lets open up all the attacks, 911, and overseas, during Bush Adm.
I want to know how those events happens and why the Bush Adm. could have prevented them. Issa, where the fuck are you??????
I'm sick and tired of Rwers preaching to me about FREEDUMB, and Democracy.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)mick063
(2,424 posts)The difference in how the House runs after the Tea Party.
The Democrats will play that game in the future now that the applecart has been dumped over.
If the GOP ever holds the majority, I expect the Democrats to grind them to a halt at every opportunity.
I don't believe in compromise anymore. I have seen the President negotiate with himself far too often.
Further, I expect investigations and hearings to roll out like clockwork on everything the GOP touches.
If it plays out like that, we may see folks like Cheney called in often. I doubt they dig up the past on Dick though.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)we have one party and those are not the new rules. never gonna happen. badcop/worsecop. parts are already assigned.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)... I expect the Democrats to grind them to a halt at every opportunity.
You must have been asleep for 15 years. The Repuke House impeached Clinton just because they could, and the House Dems did absolutely nothing about it, even when Bush & Cheney were committing treason.
Step 1: Wake the fuck up!!!!!
mick063
(2,424 posts)Obviously, you don't believe our problems can be rectified within the political realm. I'm inclined to agree, but I still think we should give it a concerted shot before resorting to drastic measures. Really, the violence should only be an option when there is no alternative. Perhaps it is drawing near. Perhaps not. The Neo Cons are certainly stocking up for it.
So when the time comes for me to "wake the fuck up", give me a call.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)in which it was said they testified with no notes, no recording?
Wasn't the secret testimony supposed to be about Iraq???
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)They had their little meeting... each member present was given a packet of telephone transcripts, recording excerpts and video (some from nsa archives) and everyone was reminded about how to go with flow or sit under the honey wagon. And then everyone moved on...
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)and the sweet revenge. Seeing that this door is being opened with utmost meticulous attention to legal complexities by a woman who is his peer in the professional world. So she's one of those unexpectedly outspoken women....the kind that repukes fear and loathe so much.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)May. 22nd, 2009
Last night on CNN, Liz Cheney revealed that her father former vice president Dick Cheney is speaking out in defense of torture right now because he is afraid of being prosecuted for war crimes. Apparently, the person that Cheney is most interested in protecting is himself.
Cheney said, I dont think he planned to be doing this, you know, when they left office in January. But I think, as it became clear that President Obama was not only going to be stopping some of these policies, that he was going to be doing things like releasing the the techniques themselves, so that the terrorists could now train to them, that he was suggesting that perhaps we would even be prosecuting former members of the Bush administration.
I dont think anybody should be surprised that a man who is motivated by, and motivates others, with fear is frightened of prosecution. Cheney is on the attack, not out some desire to protect the nation, he is trying to save his own legacy, and keep his butt out of prison. Guys with heart conditions dont do well in the old pokey. Every once in a while a little bit of truth manages to sneak through, the GOP argument in favor of torture.
http://www.politicususa.com/Cheney-Torture-Fear.html
Lot of stuff at that link, too.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Went through all the documents, published them, all the proof, etc. Really thought something was going to happen. The ICC gave it a case number and apparently put it in the round file. Nothing ever came of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague
But where there is smoke there's fire, and the Cheneys appear to be afraid of Obama. See my link below, where Liz is going off the deep end to protect Dad. She uses all the RW talking points we've heard for years.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Since the General been's dead a while, I don't think anyone is going to see him anytime soon.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Lighten up Francis...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)... being Seleted and installed in the White House was to remove the U.S. from the I.C.C.??
By Curtis A. Bradley
May 2002
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On May 6, 2002, the Bush Administration announced that the United States does not intend to become a party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. John Bolton, the Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, sent a letter to Kofi Annan, the Secretary-General of the United Nations, stating that "the United States does not intend to become a party to the treaty," and that, "[a]ccordingly, the United States has no legal obligations arising from its signature on December 31, 2000." [1] In a press briefing the same day, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld explained that the Administration had "a number of serious objections to the [International Criminal Court] - among them, the lack of adequate checks and balances on powers of the [Court's] prosecutor and judges; the dilution of the U.N. Security Council's authority over international criminal prosecutions; and the lack of any effective mechanism to prevent politicized prosecutions of American service members and officials." [2] Marc Grossman, Under Secretary for Political Affairs, expressed additional concerns about the treaty in a speech to the Center for Strategic and International Studies
http://www.asil.org/insigh87.cfm
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The ICC has some things that will expire in 2017, so there must be some reviews. Anyway, I've stated my opinion on this elsewhere. Good night, I gotta get up in a few hours and see some people.
Cha
(296,866 posts)and inserts his whole miserable body.
Good on Valerie Plame.. thanks bigtree!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The ones you are noticing are more terrified than anything else. They are lashing out because they are comfortable; and to acknowledge what is happening is a threat to that comfort.
Ignore them, for they are not the voices that will rise in the coming days, months and years. They are not the voices of our collected humanity. They are the old voices of fear and impotence.
~ Anonymous
freshwest
(53,661 posts)By: Rmuse Apr. 6th, 2013
The identifying traits of fantasy are the inclusion of fantastic elements in an imaginary setting where inspiration from mythology and folklore drive a consistent theme that generally includes good guys versus a bad guy. Since 2009, Republicans have fabricated fantastic narratives of good, white patriots against their made-up bad guy, Barack Obama, and it never fails they take their good guy inspiration from the senile dead man they made into a god; Ronald Reagan. True to form, on Thursday, Liz Cheney told a fantastic tale replete with a quote from Reagan he borrowed from Thomas Jefferson, and used it to attack the President for all manner of make-believe offenses typical of conspiracy theorists and dysfunctional conservative sycophants...
Cheney must have enlisted her vile father, Dick, to give her talking points the ignorant and freedom-loving patriot types would understand, and she went through a laundry list of assertions about the President so far removed from the truth there is little doubt she is a typical lying Republican fear monger. She began with the requisite President Obama is the most radical man ever to occupy the Oval Office, and accused him of creating diversions using manufactured crises meant to cover over real threats to the republic. As with every other Republican assertion about the President, Cheney claims his wont to borrow, spend, and high taxes agenda is the result of his lack of awareness of the free-enterprise system, and his ignorance explains his hostility toward the private sector. The private sector incidentally, is thriving because of the Presidents economic policies and historically low tax rates, but when you are fantasizing about a bad guy, facts do not matter...
It was the subject of war, or the hopes of new wars, that Cheney followed her fathers typical script and accused the President of so effectively diminishing American strength abroad that there is no longer a question of whether this was his intent. He is working to pre-emptively disarm the United States. Cheney parroted neo-conservatives assertion that President Obama is sending a message to Islamic extremists that if you attack us with impunity. You will suffer no consequences. According to Cheney, President Obama stood by and did nothing when al Qaedas affiliates in Libya killed the U.S. ambassador and three other brave Americans in Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11, and turned his back on Americas allies around the world and ignored growing threats. It is likely that Cheney missed the months of perpetual attacks on this President from the right and left for unmanned drone attacks on al Qaedas leadership and Islamic extremists in the Middle East, Pakistan, and Africa...
There was nothing new, or true, in Cheneys attack on the President and she clearly was speaking to recalcitrant Republicans who are realizing that their entrenchment in right-wing extremism is not setting well with voters. In fact, her words will ring truest with teabaggers and pseudo-patriots who yearn for Bushs cowboy diplomacy and libertarians anxious to privatize the government, but for the majority of Americans it was just another Dick Cheney, Paul Ryan, and Koch brothers speech that was void of truth, contradicted facts, and sheer fantasy. Cheney outdid herself and entered the rarified air of Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and Ted Cruz who fight imaginary villains with imaginary facts and wonder why no-one in their right mind takes them seriously.
http://www.politicususa.com/delusional-liz-cheney-projects-fathers-mistakes-president-obama.html
She even snarls just like Darth...
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)bigtree
(85,977 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)I won't be holding my breath.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,684 posts)The man does not plan to die and will rely on medical advances to stay alive beyond our children's lives.
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Gidney N Cloyd
(19,824 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Who's going to serve the subpoena? Reid?? Holder?????
We are not going to get out of this mess as long as people like yourself keep bullshitting themselves