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Link: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/#51885608
The next two (at link) are pretty good too, about the IRS.
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Summarizing:
1. This is a first amendment thing -- the freedom of the press to print the truth.
2. We have had many cases of this recently. The Pentagon Papers was the beginning, and the press always win even in cases of national security.
3. The GOP demanded an investigation of AP about a year ago about leaks.
4. Now that the GOP got the regulations they wanted, they suddenly want to hold the administration, Holder, and Obama for doing exactly what they demanded.
Well done, WillyT. Well done, Rachel.
WillyT
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reformist2
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annabanana
(52,804 posts)WillyT
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reformist2
(9,841 posts)WillyT
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Whisp
(24,096 posts)that kind?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Now that they are paying attention, and are PISSED, this would be a good time to re-address our grievences over the last 30 years.
If not now, when ???
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Hopefully we will find out in the next while. I'm fairly certain tho it's got not much to do with this freedum thing.
WillyT
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"you mean the kind of freedom the press has to go along with illegal wars"
...outing CIA agents. People were fine with this pursuit in the Plame investigation.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022850071
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Demanding phone records for two months for the main switchboard numbers of several operations is one thing, but failing to follow the regs that mandate notice is another.
This is obvious encroachment upon the press function of speaking to people like whistleblowers.
WillyT
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Whisp
(24,096 posts)They lie like cheap rugs, they incite, they are treasonous and hide behind this freedom of the press. Most other media just bathe more often and don't spit as much but are of the same cloth.
It is because of the lazy assed store bought lying media that we have most of the problems we do.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)The press printed the story. Their freedom is intact. This was about finding out who leaked CLASSIFIED information to the press—which is a huge concern that has nothing to do with the first amendment.
The press is and should be free, but they should also be responsible and conscious of how many people's lives are being put in danger by the information they print. In its outrage, AP seems to forget about that potential danger.
H2O Man
(79,053 posts)If the AG wants to find out who, connected with the executive office, has "leaked," they can investigate that in any number of ways that does not cross the line and infringe on Amendment 1 rights.
More, a free press is, by definition, just as able to print things that the AG, you, or any number of other folks find objectionable. For anyone to claim they can only print the inoffensive is, well, offensive.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)they do have a responsibility to human life. The AP story endangered a man and his entire family and I highly doubt they gave two shits about that.
The first amendment allows them to speak freely, but it doesn't mean they can speak without responsibility. That's why it's illegal to shout FIRE in a movie theater.
Had the government been using this to intimidate the AP to not do their job, then you might have a case. But the reality is that they were simply trying to find out who leaked classified information that endangered human life.
WillyT
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Tierra_y_Libertad
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Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)H2O Man
(79,053 posts)Thank you for this.
Infringements on Amendment 1 are wrong -- and dangerous -- no matter if done by democrats or republicans. It is as simple as that.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)The fact that people here don't get that is more than troubling.
H2O Man
(79,053 posts)to be expected.
There are many good and sincere democrats who honestly think that if republicans say anything, it is wrong. And, in a very real sense, the republicans employed by the Washington, DC Corporation are all liars.
But that shouldn't mean we automatically dismiss any and every issue, based solely upon what shit heads say.
Second, the majority of citizens -- and that includes democrats and forum members -- are not well-versed in the history of the Constitution; the long war upon the Bill of Rights by the executive branch, including by administrations of both political parties; the degree that our society has been compromised by the military industrial complex; or constitutional law.
Add a heaping dose of emotions, and rational discussions on this topic become very difficult, indeed.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)What if operational information is deliberately leaked as a result of a personal grudge as in the Valerie Plame case?
Is that considered to be whistleblowing?
hay rick
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