Horror as 80-year-old double amputee killed by FOUR pit bulls in savage attack which pulled him out

[newmember]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324978/Carlton-Freeman-Tragedy-helpless-80-year-old-double-amputee-murdered-FOUR-dogs-savage-attack-pulled-wheelchair.html#ixzz2TOJyl9hO



An 80-year-old South Carolina double-amputee has died from his injuries after he was dragged from his wheelchair and attacked by four dogs, authorities said Tuesday.

Carlton Freeman, of Harleyville, was driving his motorized wheelchair on May 8 when he was attacked, said Maj. John Garrison, a spokesman for the Dorchester County Sheriff's Department.

[Nye Bevan]

1. I wish those vicious creatures could be banned.

If someone wants a dog let them get a golden retriever or a spaniel.

[MineralMan]

3. Or a beagle. It would just sniff the person like crazy,

and then lick. My beagle/basset mix wants to meet everyone he sees, and wants each of them to feel his long, silky ears. I had him out for a walk this afternoon and met a woman and her toddler. The woman asked "Is your dog friendly?" "Yup," I said. Then I let Dude approach the little girl on a tight leash. The little girl patted him on the head, and he responded, as always, by giving her hand a lick. Then she got hold of one of his ears. His tail started doing its helicopter thing. He loves having his ears rubbed.

Anyhow, the little girl was entranced by the doggie, and didn't want to leave. That's a beagle for you.

[uppityperson]

8. Sib got a beagle because we grew up with The Best Beagle ever. He ended up being a biter and had to

be relinquished to the authorities.

[MineralMan]

10. That's unfortunate. Sorry that happened.

[uppityperson]

12. It was. The Best Beagle ever had such soft ears and easy disposition. Wonderful kid dog

He was the best. Sib got a puppy beagle when sib an adult and he ended up being a nasty dog which was really really sad.

[MineralMan]

16. Yah, adult dogs have histories we don't always know.

We were really careful with Dude until we got to know his personality. He was about 4 or so when we adopted him. Now we do. His only fault is that he likes to lick the head of one of our cats. She's 17 years old, and isn't completely sure that's an acceptable dog behavior. They're working it out, though. I suspect she'll decide it's OK. I saw them curled up together in Dude's bed yesterday.

He's a good beagley dog. Maybe not the Best Beagle Ever, but maybe so, too.

[uppityperson]

18. I meant when sib was an adult, the beagle was a puppy.

[hollysmom]

22. I used to volunteer at a shelter teaching dogs not to bite -

Most just want attention and you can teach them pretty easily, the problem is I wanted to take each of them home. Anyway, it was sad/glad when the biters finally got adopted.
I was warned that my Holly was a vicious dog and a biter, but she would just grab my hand to get attention, she never bit down. It turned out that she is a hunting dog who was bred to have a soft mouth and she can't really eat anything hard. She can't chew on raw hide, or anything like that, Even stale bread is too hard for her to bite on. Some vicious biting dog, huh?

Next time you have a biting dog, please just spring for a trainer or ask friends/neighbors for help training.

[Warpy]

39. All the pit bulls I've ever met have been sweethearts

That being said, they're also loyal and protective and need to be confined. When they see something worth attacking, they're going to do severe damage.

The only law I'd like to see is one confining them in fenced yards or on leashes, exactly the law we have here in the city.

There is no reason the animals in the OP should have been off leash and running wild.

[OwnedByCats]

62. I agree wholeheartedly

It's the owner's responsibility to control their animal(s). Where I live, it's only a law to keep dogs contained in the winter, something about wanting to keep dogs from pestering the deer. I think it should be a year round law. I can't tell you how many times I catch dogs in the road or other such dangerous places and their owners should know better because the dogs do not.

Most pit bulls you'll find are sweethearts, however anyone that owns a pit bull needs to be responsible. ALL dog owner's should be. Unfortunately, just like some people shouldn't have kids and some people shouldn't have guns - some shouldn't own a dog. Unfortunately pit bulls are the new favorite dogs of thugs, taking the place of dogs like Dobermans and Rottweilers (most of those are good dogs too). Train or manipulate a dog to be aggressive, chances are that's how they'll turn out.

[joeglow3]

66. Now, replace "pit bull" with "gun" and we have the right's argument

[notadmblnd]

42. the only dog I have ever been bitten by is a Cocker Spaniel

and the owners statement to me after she saw it happen was- "don't worry, he's had all his shots." To which my reply was, I know of a shot he hasn't had- which I'll be happy to take him for.

[Wednesdays]

72. Oh FFS, when will the myths ever end

Here's a pic of our MEAN VICIOUS pit bill with our daughter:


LOOK OUT, SHE'S GOING TO ATTACK!


For good measure, how about this ferocious beast from The Little Rascals:

It's a wonder how any of those kids got out alive.


Yes, pits can be dangerous--but IF THEY'RE TRAINED TO ATTACK. They are no more aggressive as a group than any other breed. Hell, I've seen more vicious behavior from chihuahuas than from pit bulls.

Pit Bulls have gotten a horrid bad rap the last few years, thanks to a few sensationalist stories like these. But if you're old enough to remember, a generation ago Rottweilers and Doberman Pinschers were the terrors of the dog world, and before that German Shepherds.

[Nye Bevan]

73. That's like posting a picture of someone safely using a semiautomatic weapon

as an argument against gun control.

Yes, there may be some mild-mannered pit bulls. But I am always reading stories about pit bulls mauling and maiming people.

[Wednesdays]

90. When mine mauls or maims somebody, I'll let you know.

And the next time a gun cuddles up to someone and gives them kissies, you'll let me know.
Deal?

[Le Taz Hot]

87. I've got an asshole neighbor

with one of these penis extenders who REFUSES to leash him when he walks him. I told him today that it's against the law to walk his dog without a leash. He informed me, and I quote: "He don't hurt nobody." Now, besides obviously never paying attention in English class, he apparently thinks the law doesn't apply to him. I have 6 cats and there is a family a couple of doors down that has several small children and they entertain family a lot and they have many small children. I shudder to imagine what happens when assbite is walking penis extender and one day penis extender goes after one of these kids or one of my cats.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Awful, awful, awful.

So many deaths from so few dog breeds.

[newmember]

4. reading this just makes me cringe

Freeman later told first responders that the animals were biting him and tearing at clothes as he helplessly tried to protect his throat from their fangs.

[zerosumgame0005]

70. the linked article

just calls them "brown dogs", is there a source for calling them "pit bulls"? Could they have been shepherds or another kind of big dog?

[Marrah_G]

17. Comes from ignorant owners and breeders

What a sad, sad story.

[MineralMan]

5. I'm speechless. Had those dogs been properly restrained

at their owners' homes, this wouldn't have happened. People who let dogs run free where there are leash laws should not be allowed to own dogs. Period.

[newmember]

9. It's not normal for most breeds to attack and act like this , something got to give here..

No where in the article does it say these were fighting dogs.

I can understand if these were a pack of feral dogs of any breed but they weren't.
It seems it's always pit bulls whether they are family pets , feral , guard dogs
it doesn't matter .

They kill people.

[MineralMan]

19. I have zero tolerance for loose pit bulls. Zero.

We had one on our block. It isn't on our block any more. It was menacing some kids on bicycles and I gave it a whack at the base of its skull with a baseball bat. The kids were screaming and the dog was in full preparation for attack. I won't have it.

The dog's owner wasn't pleased. He got over it after the cops arrived.

[newmember]

20. good for you, I would have done the same thing

[hollysmom]

29. I have zero tolerance for loose dogs period

except that I call my dog houdini for all her escapes from my house - the difference is that I am usually running in pursuit. I have lost sight of her twice - And been warned by the police on those occasional - Next dog I am going to have implanted with that computer tracking chip, so I can find them if they escape without having to yell around the neighborhood and run thought people's yards. This one is finally old (15) and slow and I can catch her now.

I was once cornered by a 4 beagles running around loose and barking at me without wagging their tails, kind of scary considering I was in an very urban area not survivable for feral dogs.

[newmember]

32. Husky ?

[hollysmom]

38. holly is a

north carolina tree climbing squirrel dog - but she also chases rabbits and mice.

[hollysmom]

92. trust me, when I do it, she is.

I had workmen hold the door open for her twice. Now when they are in the house, I have the dog gated, but then they moved the gate. Afterwards one came tome and said they let my dog out for me. nice. The other time they did not tell me and I had to hunt her down when I saw the gate was moved. That was when the police got her.
She is always secured before I let her get out, but there have been accidents - tripping me, the collar breaking unexpectedly, a trolley a friend installed breaking, tripping me when I walked her and she took off with leash (a few times), house guests letting her out after being told not to.

This is not a clever dog, she cannot turn door knobs, but she is a hunter and was a tree climber before I put extra weight on her. When I work outside, I put her on a 40 foot lead attached to the house. I am getting the yard fenced in this summer - the only question is where to have the fence gate, with snow and every thing.

[Politicalboi]

37. The story said

According to a report from the Dorchester County Sheriff's Office, the four animals have been roaming around the neighborhood for months.

They may have been hungry. Why weren't the dogs picked up earlier? Leash laws help, but when it's 4 pit bulls coming after you, you lose. 4 Chihuahua's not so much. I don't want to see pit bulls gone, I want to see more responsibility for the owners. If you can't control your dog, then you MUST take it to a training class. If YOU fail to do so, you may serve jail time, and get charged for the impound of your dog. Unless the dog is a lost case, no euthanizing shall happen. It's YOUR dog till you can train it to behave, or turn it over to an organization that can for a fee of course. Make people think about the dog they get on a whim.

[Chan790]

54. The interesting part of that is this:

The dogs most commonly thought of when someone says Pit Bull is the American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT), American Staffordshire Terrier (AmStaff), Bull Terrier (not a pit bull breed in reality) or interbred dogs.

The actual most common breeds of dogs identified in media reports as pit bulls: indeterminate/mixed/mutt. (Blame lazy sensationalist journos: "Dog bites Man" doesn't make the paper, call it a "Pit Bull mauling" and it runs above the fold.)

A survey was done over several years of breeds of dogs identified in the US media as "pit bulls". Not surprisingly, because I already led with the answer, the majority were dogs of indeterminate breed. Also, more often homeless or feral dogs. However, dogs identified in media reports as Pit Bulls included the following breeds: Boxers, Presa Canario, Cane Corso, Dogo Argentino, Tosa Inu, Dogue de Bordeaux, Alapaha, Mastiffs, Golden Retrievers, Labradors, American Bulldogs, English Bulldogs, assorted hounds, assorted Spaniels, every variety of Terrier, Llasa Apso, Poodles, Dalmatians, German Shepards, Collies, Ovcharka, Beagles, Rottweiler, Doberman, Miniature pincer, Great Dane, Irish Wolfhound, Huskies, Malamutes ...with the exception of two breeds of Terriers (APBT and AmStaff), none of those dogs were "Pit Bull".

Pretty much the only purebred dog breeds not identified as Pit Bulls were Pugs, Chihuahuas and Basset Hounds. (So if you don't want to be mauled by a pit bull get one that's ankle-height.)

[OwnedByCats]

63. I know someone who has a Lab/Boxer mix

However he looks a lot like a pit bull and has been mistaken for one in the past. I have seen the mother, who was a pure Lab, and the father, pure Boxer. If that dog ever got loose and attacked someone, he'd be labelled a pit bull, no doubt in my mind.

I see a lot of mixes with my job and some do resemble pit bulls, but that doesn't necessarily make them a pit bull/pit bull mix. There are over 20 specific physical points to look at when IDing a pit bull. I sincerely doubt these are taken into consideration in every single case.

That's not to say pits never attack and it's always misidentification, but I believe it happens more than many would like to believe.

I once found 2 stray kittens who were about 6 weeks old (curse the bastard who dropped them off!). As I was trying to find homes for them (and I did pretty quickly), everybody thought they looked like Maine Coon kittens. That didn't make them Maine Coons. Chances are they were just long haired tabbies of the regular variety.

With animals, you just can't always be sure just by their appearance as to what exactly their heritage is.

[zerosumgame0005]

67. did you catch this from the article?

"A police report said three of the dogs belonged to the victim’s relative, 61-year-old Barbara Goodwin, and streaks of blood were found on their fur."

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and a little ways down a "niece" is saying that before he died he didn't want the owners prosecuted. convenient isn't it?

[cigsandcoffee]

6. These dogs prey on the weakest - the old and infirm, or the very young. Dangerous stuff. n/t

[MillennialDem]

7. That is how any predator behaves.

[lpbk2713]

11. Rethuglicans included.

[newmember]

13. Domesticated family pets aren't supposed to act like predators

If that was the case every small child in every home that had a dog would be killed.

[MillennialDem]

23. Depends how hungry the animal is and who it views as members of the tribe/pack/etc

My mom had pet cats. She also had a pet rat.

She actually introduced them to each other, the cats never killed or attacked the rat...

[newmember]

36. I understand all that

But over the 15 so thousand years dogs have lived with us we have changed or modified their prey drive.

If we hadn't it would be like living with a wolf in your home. While very beautiful not always the brightest thing to do.

[Dawson Leery]

14. Pit Bulls are predators, wild animals.

They do not belong in the domestic setting.

[Marrah_G]

15. Packs of big dogs are a bad idea unless you are Caesar Milan!

So many people are completely fucking ignorant about the pets they own.

Pit bulls don't need to be banned but dog ownership and breeding needs to be regulated and enforced.

I am sure her dogs were the most awesome, sweetest lap dogs ever.......until they weren't.

[newmember]

21. Something needs to happen , I don't hate the breed , I don't hate any dogs

but something needs to change here.

[FarCenter]

24. "three of the dogs belonged to the victim’s relative 61-year-old Barbara Goodwin"

According to a report from the Dorchester County Sheriff's Office, the four animals have been roaming around the neighborhood for months.

It's the second fatal dog mauling in the county in a little over a year.

County sheriffs deputies should shoot stray pit bulls on sight.

[dbackjon]

44. Why just Pits?

Any strays can do this.

[FarCenter]

65. A Bichon Frisé may bite, but it is rarely fatal

But other large dangerous dog breeds such as rotweiler, german shepard, doberman, akita, malamute, etc. could be included.

[dbackjon]

68. Any breed in a pack can inflict damage

The running in the pack is the main issue

[FarCenter]

75. Your chances of surviving a pack of Bichon Frisé is better than surviving a pack of Pit Bulls.

You could probably pick them up and whack their little heads on the sidewalk.

[KurtNYC]

74. Many animal control officers are unprepared to deal with pits and their owners

This one shows up with a loop only -- no bite sleeve, no back-up, nothing...

Now THAT's a bad job.

[FarCenter]

76. They should be armed -- no reason that they should jeopardize their own safety for a dog.

[hollysmom]

25. just wanted to add about the child pulled out of the swing and eaten

referenced at the bottom of the article. I believe it was a golden retriever with probably one of the worst owners ever, since that dog had bitten the family before and apparently forgot to feed the dog for days.

[randome]

26. Dogs don't kill people. Owners kill people. Or...something like that.

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[msanthrope]

28. If only everyone was armed with a pit bull.....nt

[randome]

33. Or if only pit bulls were armed.

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[msanthrope]

35. Ya gotta love the internet--I bet you ran that search and had thousands of

images to choose from....

[magical thyme]

27. 4 dogs running loose = pack

Pack mentality takes over, no matter what the breed.

Those dogs should not have been allowed to run loose. I blame the dogs' owner(s) for 1. failing to properly socialize and train and 2. letting them run loose.

When will people learn to take responsibility for their actions?

[Common Sense Party]

30. We had a pack of family-type dogs--all breeds--running loose at the more rural end of our valley.

They would get together in packs, run loose at night, and they have killed some sheep.

I don't think any of them were pit bulls. I don't care for that particular breed, but the pack mentality takes over regardless of breed.

[randome]

34. They won't. Ever. Wishing for people to behave better will not make them do so.

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[magical thyme]

41. no, but holding them legally liable will. nt

[hamsterjill]

45. Well said!!!!

Yes, pack mentality takes over, no matter what the breed. Obviously, some breeds because of their size and strength pose a greater threat.

It is ALWAYS the fault of the owner! And even if the dogs are considered "strays", well, they had an owner at some point and it would be that person who started the problem.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

46. Rubbish.

Absolute rubbish. I have watched hundreds of videos and I can say with absolute certainty that normal pet breeds do not attack like a pit bull does..........even if they are in a pack of a hundred.

Watch this video of normal dogs, in a pack, going after a bloke on a bike. Imagine if these dogs were pit bulls.

[baldguy]

77. "...watched hundreds of videos...."

So, no actual experience with actual animals, huh?

[TheCowsCameHome]

31. I can't stand those dogs.

everytime I see one outside I give it wide berth.

[Catherine Vincent]

40. My parents next door neighbor own 2 pit bulls

Recently they both escaped from their gated yard and attacked a guy that was waiting on the bus. Luckily he was able to fight them off but the male ended up taking a bite before they ran back into the yard. An ambulance was called and took the guy to the hospital. The cops had the male picked up and let the female remain because she was pregnant, I guess. A couple of days later, the male dog was back. I'm thinking the owner had to pay a fine so I'm guessing as long as the guy wasn't mauled to death, he was allowed to keep the dogs.

I really hate that these people moved next door to my parents because my parents own 2 mutts... I fear the pit bulls will dig a hole underneath the fence to get in their yard.

[flamingdem]

43. Isn't this the second death by pitbull mauling

just this week??

[newmember]

53. Yes " a few days ago four pits tore apart a 60 year old female jogger

[Bonobo]

47. Not all deaths are equal.

Surely dying in this manner must be one of the most horrible and frightening deaths imaginable.

Imagine this happening to a loved one...

I am sorry, but anyone that says that all breeds are equal does not know a thing about dogs.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

48. Parents tried for 17 years to have a baby.

Then their much loved family pet of five years killed the baby before his first birthday.

The uncle makes a plea;

[flvegan]

50. I am so glad

that you've gone above and beyond to view, literally (by your count) HUNDREDS of videos on the internet. That's like, what... a PhD in animal behaviour, right?

I mean, you have YouTube n' shit, so...

[Boudica the Lyoness]

56. I like to be informed.

And informed I am. I can't bury my head in the sand and pretend something is good when in fact it's so evil it's hard to believe.......that's why I have done my research.

My conclusion is that pit bulls are fucking evil as hell and need to be all killed off ASAP for the good of mankind and all the creatures of the world.

I suppose you don't like people seeing your nanny dogs doing what they do best. Thank goodness for YouTube.

For YOUR viewing pleasure, let me present a tiny representation of the hundreds of videos I have watched.

Aztec I love you. Why are you are you killing me?

He was her baby.........then he tried to kill her.

This mad fucker jumps on a school bus and tries to kill children.

This sneaky monster killed a newborn, without warning. Bad Nanny dog!

Little four year old boy fights pit bull to save his mother.

Typical pit bull owners.

Fucking pit bulls have killed heroic FEMA dogs, hard working ATF dogs and well trained, devoted guide/service dogs. Here's a guide dogs getting ruined by a worthless pit bull.

I will not be bullied by pit bull owners.

[LostOne4Ever]

61. Since you want to be informed

Further:

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2011%20Final%20Investigative%20DBRF%20Report.pdf

[baldguy]

81. People who want to indiscriminately ban Pit Bulls are just as bad as the people who abuse them.

The actions you advocate create the problems you're protesting. The only words for that are "evil" or "stupid". Maybe a little of both.

[XemaSab]

82. Repeating it over and over again doesn't make it true

You're equating having your dog neutered to being Michael Vick, and it's a ridiculous comparison.

[baldguy]

83. You realize Reply # 56 has been posted about 1000 times, right?

She's not complaining about not having dogs neutered. She's complaining that dogs aren't allowed to be shot on sight & slaughtered wholesale.

[flvegan]

89. Ignorance and random YouTube = informed? Wow, okay.

Good luck with that.

[newmember]

52. wow .....so sad

[flvegan]

49. I love "Pit Bull Week" on DU.

[Marrah_G]

51. I have a theory on why there are so many Pit attacks

When I was a teen, Rotties were the cool "tough dog", but they were expensive and so the numbers never got to the numbers we see in the pit population.

Now you have pits that are the new cool "tough dog" and due to fight breeders, and backyard breeders there are an enormous amount of them out there. So now you have this new bad boy breed that is both cheap and easy to obtain. That leads to alot of people owning them ( or multiple thems) that really have no idea how to deal with them and we end up with the present day results. So tons end up in kill shelters, others end up as strays and in the worst cases they kill someone because they haven't had proper training and discipline and are allowed to have their own little packs. People say "but other breeds kill too" I think the difference is in the numbers and the education/resources.

I was wondering what you thought as I know these pups are near and dear to your heart.

I don't think we will see an end to deaths or an end to the call for bans on them until there are strict regulations implemented on breeders (of all breeds) and some requirements on basic education and training for dog owners.

[flvegan]

55. Thank you for asking.

This will likely be discounted by the DU Pitbullhatebrigade #morons as it were, but it is what it is.

I refuse, first of all, to stipulate that "there are so many Pit attacks" because the average reporter (lets face it, it all comes from the "news" anyway) wouldn't know a "pit bull" if he or she were humped by one. Since all the data on pit bull "attacks" is crap (and self-admittedly so, by them) we probably shouldn't toss that around.

You do have a good point on proportion. There are a lot of "pit bulls" out there (note the quotes, hope my point is realized). You also have a very good point on them or any other breed based on socialization, training and treatment.

Sadly, judgment is quick to pass and far too many folks are simply too rash, stupid or otherwise inclined to think that any medium, brownish, bully-esque looking dog is a killer in short fur. They do so out of their own perception, but that rewinds me back to stupid.

I hope you can read this before it's deleted. It will make folks uncomfortable, so it will be.

[newmember]

60. No man " they were more popular and sought after in the early 1900's

They were used in just about every aspect from family pets , guarding homes , used on farms , used to hunt etc..

This is a recent phenomenon with these dogs.

[SheilaT]

57. Regardless of breed, far too many dog owners are completely irresponsible

and never train or restrain their dogs. Most of the time the untrained, unrestrained dogs are simply annoying. Here I'm thinking of people I know who have dogs and never train them.

But some breeds are far more likely to attack. I believe a dog should be put down if it ever attacks. Period. Don't whine to me about how wonderful that dog is and how it never did anything like that before. If it happens once, it can and probably will happen again.

And notice that we never read about cats viciously attacking and killing.

[newmember]

58. Something happened in the last 75 to 100 years

The breed was used on farms, people had them as family pets without incidents.

What changed in the breed ? Some was breeding with the most aggressive dogs to keep the aggression in the bloodline.

Some people think that pit bulls are something new in our country , they are not.
They have been here for a long time.

The breed is changing....

[Blue_Tires]

71. I'm guessing beacuse the underground fight scene skyrocketed?

[newmember]

84. I don't know what the answer is

But to deny that there is a growing change in the temperament of these dogs
being born is just lying to one self.

These are not the same dogs of 75 years ago

[PD Turk]

59. Four

The number of dogs says a lot, that's a pack. Anytime you have over two dogs they're liable to form a pack independent of the human pack leader and that's a dangerous situation regardless of breed. I'm not a fan of BSL but I have no problem restricting the number of dogs someone can own without special training and licensing.

[OwnedByCats]

64. No doubt all these videos some find on YouTube

that negatively shows pit bulls, you've seen the good ones too right? When you read negative stories you read the positive ones too as well right? Yeah, I didn't think so. If you did, you'd find a lot more articles, videos and documentaries that would show you the other side. Do you read about the pit bulls who have made excellent therapy dogs and service animals for the disabled? Have you read about Michael Vick's saved pit bulls and how they are now? Stories of pit bulls aiding in saving a life? Have you actually ever spent time with a variety of pit bulls either in shelters, kennels or vet hospitals? Do you actually have any experience with a fair number of them, not just the ones your neighbor has? Some of you may have had a bad experience with one - but have you had experience with high numbers of them in a circumstance where the owners aren't irresponsible? Have you actually spent any time becoming "informed"? Just looking at one side of an issue doesn't make you informed. Heck if I believed all the crap republicans go on about, I'd be believing that democrats are all idiots.


You know what other types of stories are vast in the news? Abused pit bulls. Those stories are EVERYWHERE. A pit bull starved to death and thrown down a garbage shoot. Somehow that dog was found and actually survived even though I don't ever remember a dog looking that emaciated that actually lived. His name is Patrick. He's doing well now. Oh and there are hundreds more like him. Or how about in my area where a pit bull was dragged down the highway behind a truck and when the chain broke, the dog was slammed into a guard rail. The worst part of this story, aside that it happened in the first place, was that the dog was still alive. She was taken to the ASPCA where they determined her injuries were too serious to treat, she was STILL alive and had to be put down. Or about the one who was tied to a picnic table and his rear end was stuck to the ground because it was so cold. If I had a nickel for everyone of those stories, I'd never have to work again.

I'm not going to bother linking videos, documentaries and articles that show another side because quite frankly, a small handful on this board do not know how to be objective. Perspective is also lacking because some can't understand that we have approx a couple million pit bulls in the United States, if the hysteria matched the truth, we'd have hundreds of deaths per day due to pit bulls who are born vicious and evil instead of, let's see - 22 people died in 2012 from pit bulls or pit bull "types" (whatever the hell that means). This is one of the most rare ways to die. You're a million times more likely to be murdered by a human, killed in a car accident, shot to death or die from cancer/heart disease. You even have a slightly better chance to be killed by lightening. More people die from cow attacks for Pete's sake. A little perspective please.

However, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to prevent the few we do have because all lives are important. Banning won't do it. Culling them won't do it. Thugs will just malign a whole other breed. It happens in countries that have banned pit bulls.

Now if some can't understand that a pit bull is an animal and like ALL animals, you'll get a small percentage that behave like animals, especially when trained to act that way, not socialized or abused - and quite frankly, do not know any better - then nobody is ever going to understand this issue.

In most cases especially with dogs, all roads lead back to the owner or a previous owner. This is not a cop out, this is a fact. Take a poll amongst people who work with dogs every day of their life and you'll find them blaming the other end of the leash. Dogs are like kids in that they need guidance and raised and trained properly because they become a product of their environment. There are exceptions to this, but very few.

Also I love how dogs are held to the same intellectual standard as people. Pit bulls are "evil". So is a bear "evil" for killing a camper or is it animal defending it's territory or just being what it is, an animal that we cannot verbally reassure that we're not there to hurt them?

I'm sorry, but ignorance and being spoon fed from the corrupt media is no excuse to malign millions of dogs who have never hurt anyone. So many people claim they don't trust the "mainstream right wing media", yet some eat up these stories on pit bulls like it's their favorite meal, no questions asked. Just incredible.

[XemaSab]

69. Ted Bundy was a totally nice guy more than 99% of the time

It was the other 1% you had to watch out for.

[OwnedByCats]

86. I hate to tell you, but that works with every living thing.

Some mothers murder their own children for goodness sake. Can't cull everything on earth that *might* kill you.

[warrprayer]

78. don't forget

being new here you must post a thread about breast feeding at the olive garden and corn flake chicken

[Trajan]

79. In a nod to Pit owners

Charge the owners with manslaughter, and charge all owners of all dogs who kill with manslaughter ..

Even cute little Chihuahuas ....

Any owner of ANY breed dog that kills shall be charged with manslaughter .... including Chihuahuas ...

and: including Pits ...

[baldguy]

80. Yep. All dog owners should be required to go through training & get licensed.

Require the animal should be spayed/neutered. If the owner abuses or neglects the dog, they go to jail. If the owner fails to train & socialize the dog, or have it trained & socialized, they go to jail. And if the person fails to follow any of these regulation, they can never have the privilege of having a dog.

Don't blame the dog, blame the owner.

All dogs. All owners.

[whatchamacallit]

85. And even if all the requirements are followed

if the dog maims or kills, charge the owner with assault or manslaughter. Would be a lot of pit owners in jail me thinks.

[Apophis]

88. Posts like this are only posted here to stir shit.

People who post this shit must get off on watching the train wreck that inevitably occurs.