So I think it is safe to say-the Alt Media ALL OF THEM owes me an apology

[graham4anything]

They should all hand in their meager (if they even have any) press credentials.

The alt-media has proven that to a person, ALL are part of the Jeb Bush 2016 campaign
and have shamed themselves forever.

It truly has proven this week that what I say is 80-20 is true.

The 20% can literally ...

and please on their way out the door- deposit those press credentials

AND GET A NEW JOB.
They are utter failures at the jobs they have done.
Shame on all of them.

All 3 smears proven FALSE.

The alt-media is guilty of very serious crimes.

Propagandaistas siding with and aiding and abetting Fox News and Roger Ailes.
Working hand in hand to destroy America.

But then, well, I have said that for years. They all use those same tired, stale soundbytes.

Anything written by them should be forever now considered Conspiracy Theory Speculation and
OFFBEAT.

Because one thing it isn't after one after another smear was repudiated, one thing it isn't
is the truth. They have all committed the worst rush to judgement ever seen in the Press.

It's like they all went trick'treating at Karl Rove's house and were given a big treat
to trick America into their con job Rove was selling.

imho.

as John Kerry said, Don't let the door hit you on the way out.(love the posters that continue that statement)


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[cali]

1. wow. you've topped yourself

this is just such incomprehensible nonsense.

word salad x 10.

[Puzzledtraveller]

28. Really, I actually look forward to G4A posts for the comic relief.

[cherokeeprogressive]

34. First thing I look for in the morning. n/t.

[Javaman]

48. Same here...

It's like he posts his very own daily DUzy's. LOL

[LondonReign2]

145. Gobbledygook

[Javaman]

146. Flurberastan mon deedle doo. nt

[madokie]

2. Amazing how this week started

and how it all fell apart yesterday. I hadn't read so much visceral bullshit in all my life in such a short time frame.
some seems to have shut up where as some seems to be still at it.
Some people just don't learn from past mistakes
If it wasn't so serious it would be funny as hell

[pintobean]

3. Since you seem to understand the OP

will you please translate?

[cali]

4. I was just about to ask the same thing

[madokie]

5. Its pretty clear what the op is saying

If you can't see that on your own no amount of translating by me or anyone else will help you. Sorry
Have a nice day
Peace

[cali]

7. lol

[pintobean]

8. Okay, I was wrong

You don't seem to understand the OP.

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. Yeah, he's saying 80% of what he says is true, and the other 20% therefore is bullshit

as far as I can tell. It's not a great success rate, if one in five of ones pronouncements are meaningless gibberish.

[cali]

17. he's got this thing about 80/20

It's not just that he purports that 80% of what he says is true- something that's hard to discern because all he does is toss babble word salad- but he claims that 80% of the American people agree with him on his "positions". Something else that's virtually impossible to discern because who the hell knows what he believes beyond that middle of the road dems are always right and Mayor Bloomberg is peachy.

[hobbit709]

19. And the ground that Hillary walks on has become sanctified.

[luckyleftyme2]

36. and the ground that hillary walks on

you Better believe it!! and those repukes fill the media with trash before every election and 80% is crap the other 20% is pure bullchit!
think -what happens in june?

[tridim]

27. At least he's got Manny beat by 80%.

His record is 0%.

[burnodo]

6. Oy vey

Maybe they didn't understand your bad English.

[BlueCaliDem]

67. I had no problem. But that's because I have great comprehensive reading skills. eom

[Bonobo]

9. Not to mention beer and travel money!

[eShirl]

10. what's "alt-media"

if so inclined, link(s) might be helpful...

[burnodo]

13. Any media that doesn't fawn all over the President

Nt

[davidpdx]

15. I believe he means alternative media

meaning blogs. I'd venture to guess both the left and right have been taking swipes at him given what some people have been saying on DU.

[muriel_volestrangler]

32. I don't believe anyone outside DU knows who he is at all

I don't see that many DUers paying attention to what he says, for that matter.

[davidpdx]

45. That's not what I was referring to

I was answering a question. Simple as that.

[muriel_volestrangler]

51. "guess both the left and right have been taking swipes at him "

This implies you think 'the left' and 'the right' - bloggers, since that's what you're saying he means by 'alt media' - have responded to him. I find that extremely unlikely. He, of course, sees this as "all of the alt media" (which, according to post #24, is now 'all of the media') that owes him an apology. So he's asking for the entire media to apologise to him.

I'm not sure what world he imagines he lives in, but it's not the real one.

[davidpdx]

57. Why he said that I don't know

I personally think anyone who jumped to conclusions (especially on the wire tapping) should be ashamed of themselves.

[madokie]

60. Yes they should

will they? I doubt it

[BlueCaliDem]

66. And you're correct that given the vitriol against this president and his admin

on this site, both the Professional Left and the Professional Righties in the alt-media are doing everything they they can to ensure a Republican majority in Congress in 2014 and a Republican president in 2016; the Professional Left alt-media being the enablers and the Professional Right alt-media being the takers.

[davidpdx]

85. I'm glad someone sees where I'm coming from

[BlueCaliDem]

97. Anytime, David.

[hobbit709]

11. "What does it all mean, Mister Natural?"

[Upton]

12. Lets get down to the crux of the matter..

do you consider yourself sane? Or is this gibberish of yours just a way to elicit a reaction?

[ohiosmith]

91. This post was alerted on. The jury voted 4/2 to let it stand.

At Thu May 16, 2013, 02:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Lets get down to the crux of the matter..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2851191

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Rude, insensitive and over the top inappropriate.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu May 16, 2013, 02:55 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: While I can appreciate the reaction to the OP, this is a personal attack and OTT
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The post is a legitimate question considering the OP! Leave the post.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This is a hard one. G4A does post ridiculous things like this to get a reaction. The first sentence is a little rude but not any worse than others I have seen.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[trumad]

16. Dude---

oh never mind.

[cali]

18. probably the only sane response to the ishkabibble the

poster tosses out on this board.

[redgreenandblue]

35. The best thing is, he is hosting two forums here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=280518

[Bonobo]

65. He'll be GD host in 22 days too, I think. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

106. lol

Gossip much?

[redgreenandblue]

134. lol. One could almost think that g4a is a joke the admins are pulling on us. nt

[JHB]

20. So, after translating the word puree, you're saying...

[Laelth]

31. OT. That's some awesome art. n/t

-Laelth

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

21. The people with the press credentials are the ones hyping all

this bullshit, Einstein. The same ones who always get it wrong on the wars, so called Clinton scandals, social security, domestic spying, Republican treason, etc etc. Your little act might have been cute for about 5 minutes. Now, not so much.

[graham4anything]

24. Teddy Kennedy's Dream lives on, in President Obama

all media is alt-media in 2013.
They are all working the same beat- they are alligned with Karl Rove & Jeb Bush
everyone of them are alligned together and from top to bottom,
every single one of them woudl trade places in a second with Judith Miller and the NY Times.
Not one of them wouldn't want to be Bob Woodward, who took Nixon down so that the bushfamily could attain power.

go around the block and the 20%, 15 from the right, 5 from the left, all run headsmack into each other and have alligned like a perfect storm.

Only thing is, like every other time, President Obama has ropedthedopes again, and has
truly outed all of them for being the singular entity that they indeed have proven themselves to be.

But then, put them all together, and for their zero truthfullness, and I called this one 100%
months ago.

80-20.
I will stick with the 80% of America that wants to render this alt-media/all-media politically
obsolete.
And it is coming to be.

Hillary is going to win 120 million popular votes and close to 500 electoral votes in 2016 and 2020, by going forward.

Not letting the press and the altmedia and others take us backwards.

Is it any coincidence this comes now when the health care is showing what a great benefit it is to alot, and most haven't even begun to see the good as most states won't start til 2014.

The alt-media is alligned with the big corporate world to deny people unlimited lifetime benefits with ZERO lifetime caps like insurance used to be.
And now people with prior can NO LONGER be denied healthcare.

The Dream lives on, and Teddy is smiling in heaven with the forward movement, and his #1
dream was that people with prior existing conditions NOT be denied, and that there be NO lifetime cap that one major illness can bring about.

President Obama is the dream living on.

and of course, Teddy knew all about smears and attempts to silence him and his family.
the media did that for 50 years. The Bush family did it from day one.

The alt-media, and the all-media, all of them owe me an apology.
All of them owe President Obama an apology.
But then, it won't happen.

And President Obama will keep roping the dopes again and again.

95% of the democratic party strongly supports Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
The irony is, every single time a smear or negative is used by the altmedia/allmedia,
it will add another million popular votes in 2016 to the continuation of President Obama's first eight years.

and Yet the altmedia keeps following Roger ailes, and Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove.
They share their hatred of President Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Thank God 95% of the Democratic party or more sees through it all.
And they all back President Obama and President to be Hillary Clinton.

[Bonobo]

25. Hey you didn't even mention Al Sharpton once! WTF!? nt

[redgreenandblue]

38. Yeah. And he forgot the part where the alt-media are owned by Nader and Ron Paul.

[premium]

44. He also forgot to mention

Meek Mayor Mike, his hero.

[muriel_volestrangler]

54. Who, as far as I can tell, still owns 88% of Bloomberg, a media group

So Mayor Mike should be apologising to g4a, pronto!

[premium]

55. I didn't even know that.

Good info. So I guess that g4a will now be demanding an apology from Mikey himself.

[Dr. Strange]

124. By the time this is done...

g4a will be demanding an apology from himself.

[premium]

125. LOL nt.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

37. And the

assclown act continues.

[madokie]

61. Man o man

you are being piled on to the likes I've not seen in a while. The thing is the responses are proof of your hitting a nerve. I say keep up the good work

One even was calling you insane what a hoot that is

[premium]

64. Naw,

this is about typical for g4a's word salads.
That post calling him insane was hidden, rightly so.

[madokie]

73. No this is a response typical of a post that hits a nerve

Its pretty plain what he was getting at in his OP, no word salad at all.

[premium]

76. Sorry,

but the generally consensus is that this is a typical word salad thread from g4a, but, I do gotta say that his threads/posts are pure comedy gold that go good with my morning coffee.

[patrice]

81. General consensus is frequently wrong. nt

[premium]

83. General consenses is frequently right also. nt.

[patrice]

90. More precisely yet: it is always right and wrong at the same time, so . . .

the responsibility falls to each individual to identify the relevant proportions thereof and not to follow herds of whatever except by fully informed and ,hence, free choice.

[premium]

102. Fair enough,

matter of fact, that's an excellent explanation.

[Bobbie Jo]

84. Especially around here. nt

[G_j]

121. the funny-bone nerve that is. nt

[davidpdx]

140. You might want to take a look around DU before opening your mouth

Actually there are quite a few of DUers that were instantly bashing Obama over the AP wire tapping situation before many of the facts became known. These "reactionists" were spreading their phony outrage the other day as soon as the word about the wiretapping came out.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

142. You might want to know what the fuck you're talking about before opening yours

A couple of posters on DU don't equal the so called alternative press. The corporate media were the ones salivating at the prospects of sinking this administration. The posts that I was reading telling people to keep calm about these "scandals" were coming from blogs, Kos and other non traditional sources. So no, I'm not jumping on the bandwagon with some idiotic broad brush. Because for every negative report posted on here one could find at least one contradicting the negative hype. So next time fucking think before you try to get all internet tough guy on someone.

[davidpdx]

143. Well aren't you a rude little troll

You've called another poster an asshat for calling out those who have bashed Obama using the alternative press, and then cussed at me. Maybe you should get that anger problem checked before someone checks you.

BTW there were more than a few people jumping to conclusions the other day. I tend to like when someone has the balls to call out the people who opened their mouths and stuck their foot it it. For you it must be a familiar activity.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

147. Bwaaaaaahaaaahaa! Yeah I need someone to check me.

Go ahead. But it's gonna be hard to do from your mom's basement. Don't let your fucking mouth write checks you can't cash.
The OP made an incoherent broad brush assertion and many of us long time posters actually have the balls to call out his little performance art routine. You want to kiss his ass for it. Go right ahead.

Oh and I didn't call anyone an asshat. Learn how to fucking read.

[davidpdx]

150. Yes, you did. But go ahead a lie about it

By the way, I don't live in my mom's basement I live in an apartment I own in South Korea. But then again keep spreading those lies.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

151. Nope. Like I said, read. Second it wasn't a lie it was an assumption. You seem

to be having some trouble keeping up. Listen, you come at people talking about when and how they need to open their mouth. That's all good with me. But then you gonna cry about it? "and then cussed at me." You wanted to "check me", right tough guy? Then go ahead and stick with that. My reply to you was no worse than yours so sack the fuck up.

[davidpdx]

152. That is probably your standard assumption about everyone

Again, the issue is you called someone an asshat for no reason and don't have the balls to own up to it. Who's the internet bully now? Tough guy?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

153. If I'm gonna be quoted. I expect to be quoted appropriately. Learn how to fucking read. Is that

so hard? I you have no fucking clue whether I have reason enough to say what I said. There's been plenty of flamebait from that dude. If he wants to tell me to go fuck myself. That's fine by me and probably an appropriate response. You on the other hand are just being a nosy ass.

[ileus]

22. time to ban the press...

[The Link]

23. Are you still on usenet?

[Raine1967]

30. ROFL! Was thinking the same thing!

ETA:

Welcome to DU!

[Iggo]

26. It's like you're not even trying anymore.

[Javaman]

53. Daily word salads aren't as easy as you think to create. LOL nt

[Ghost in the Machine]

75. Unless that's Sarah Palin in disguise posting here..... n/t

[Javaman]

129. That's very true. LOL nt

[Puzzledtraveller]

29. What the hell, k&r

[HughBeaumont]

33. Evil RandomThoughts: You Aren't Worthy of Beer or Travel Money.

Context: Not Just For Breakfast Anymore!

[luckyleftyme2]

39. I'LL PICK YOU OVER CHUCK TODD ANY DAY!

DID YOU SEE HIS FACE WHEN HE SAID THEY WERE ATTACKING REPORTERS WHO WERE GETTING LEAKS! HE WAS SCARED CHITLESS! HE'S PROBABLY GOT A SNITCH! BUT HE DEF. IS A CHIT SPREADER! WISH I HAD HIM ON THE FARM!

[redgreenandblue]

40. Call congress !!!

[sufrommich]

41. What's with all the personal insults in this thread?

Jesus, it's like watching Mean Girls. Just so I have this straight, piling on Nadine = bullying, piling on Graham4anything = totally cool ?

[HughBeaumont]

43. Yeah, it's about as cool as insulting anyone or any entity to the left of Joe Lieberman. CONSTANTLY.

I think these exchanges are entertainment, really, and I think deep down, G4a knows this and feeds off of that.

It's ones and zeroes. If this were IRL, he could probably get a few good open mike sessions out of this.

[Fumesucker]

49. g4a screws up every now and then and writes something coherent

If it was all gibberish his (?) shtick would be easier to take.

Nadine on the other hand is at least readable most of the time, g4a is positively painful to the intellect often, Random Thoughts made more sense.

[davidpdx]

50. +1

While there are sometimes people annoy me, I try my hardest to not insult people. It appears this has turned into something of a chest thumping thread with different people taking "shots" at the OP.

To add to your nice description:

[pipi_k]

69. I agree...and the really pathetic

thing about it all...

Someone saying how painful this or that is, but they keep doing it anyway.

I believe there was a SNL shtick some years back that perfectly illustrates that concept...

The nitwit keeps jabbing some long, dangerously pointed object into his own ear as he proclaims, "Wow, that HURTS! I hate when that happens!"

So the OP posts stuff that doesn't make sense. I don't understand why people find it so hard to ignore him.

Sometimes I wonder how many DUers have actually made it past 7th grade...I often feel like I'm reading my 12 year old granddaughter's Facebook page...

[Wednesdays]

72. How do we know for sure how old people here are?

Maybe this IS a Facebook page for 12-year-olds!

[davidpdx]

82. I now may have to spend the rest of my evening looking for a picture of that skit to post

I've never seen it, but then again I have been overseas for 10 years so I rarely see SNL or any of the late night program.

[Puglover]

133. Agreed!

This place has become 1 step to the left of The yahoo message boards if they are still around. Unreal.

[Zorra]

56. I believe that they may perceive a profound difference between their political ideology

and that of Mr. Graham4anything, a difference that they possibly perceive as threatening to established core Democratic party principles, such as maintaining the integrity of the Social Security system.

I really can't speak for others, I'm just sayin' this is a possibility.

[patrice]

92. That could be true and it could also be true that they are DEAD WRONG about what to do about that.nt

[patrice]

62. + 1

[madokie]

63. Something to do with this op hitting a nerve

would be my guess

[Marr]

79. Honestly, no. It's got an inflammatory headline, of course.

Which is something g4a always seems to nail. But the post itself is completely incomprehensible. At least, it is to me. If you understand it, a summary would be truly appreciated.

[graham4anything]

94. Yup. a million times over. 3 strikes and the altmedia is out. BTW-

btw-the difference between the altmedia and the media is-
we already know the media is anti-Demcratic.There is NO MSM that is pro-democratic, pro-Obama or pro-Hillary, etc.
The MSM is also NOT pro-Warren whatsoever.

However, alt-media is suppose to be anti-Jeb Bush and anti-republican tea libertarian party.

Yet, simple google has found one after another to have a deep connection with a 3rd party group including Ron Paul Rand Paul or Jill Stein and the NRA.
That makes them NOT democratic party supporters

AKA, they are posers.

I don't have to back any 3rd party.
True democratic party supporters know the harm the Greens/Nader did in 2000.

3rd party supporters take ZERO responsilbity for their childhood glee in tearing down the democratic party(as witness by their zero lack of respect for Al Gore,who is generally considered to all (but Rush Limbaugh and the republican/tea/libertarian/NRA, etc. the #1 person in politics for the environment.

So yes, I agree with your analysis above.

This site is the DEMOCRATIC site, same as Kos.
(I won't say that about Huff, as she herself is a libertarian).

Just because the alt-media didn't like Bush, did NOT mean they like any democratic person better.
That is something most people don't realize. Just assuming well, they didn't like Bush means they liked Obama, no.
It just means they didn't like Bush, 76% of the country didn't like him.

[hughee99]

128. Exactly! How are Dems supposed to get a fair shake from the media

when Jill Stein is calling the shots?

[Revanchist]

141. I don't believe that the media should be "pro or anti" either side

I want the media to objectively report the news without any bias, no matter who the story is about. If the media purposely changes the story or omits facts to favor one party or group over another, than they are no better than state-controlled media outlets in other countries who do nothing than praise the party in power.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

101. Is the funny bone a "nerve"?

[Iggo]

71. Yep.

[Bobbie Jo]

88. More hypocrisy

from the holier than thou crowd.

You see, it's perfectly justified when they do it.

[Rex]

93. Yeah I just cannot figure that out.

[redgreenandblue]

103. Easy: Many people here are aware of the history of the starter of this thread.

To summarize: He shit-stirrs a lot.

Hence the mocking.

[Bobbie Jo]

127. There are also "many"

with an even longer history of shit-stirring around here.

I'm all for mocking them as well.

[Capt. Obvious]

149. Some people say he trolls poorly

I am not one of those people.

[ucrdem]

42. K/R. Hedges yesterday on Democracy Now

gets my vote for best ratfuck of the week. Hedges to Amy:

That’s what’s so frightening. And it’s a pattern that we’ve seen, with the use of the Espionage Act, to essentially silence whistleblowers within the government—Kiriakou, Drake and others, although Kiriakou went to jail on—pled out on another charge—the FISA Amendment Act, which allows for warrantless wiretapping, the National Defense Authorization Act, which allows for the stripping of American citizens of due process and indefinite detention. And it is one more assault in a long series of assault against freedom of information and freedom of the press. And I would also, of course, throw in the persecution of Julian Assange at WikiLeaks and Bradley Manning as part of that process. . . .

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/5/15/chris_hedges_monitoring_of_ap_phones

Yes, Chris, go ahead and "throw in the persecution of Julian Assange at WikiLeaks," even though the US has brought no charges against him, and has no plans to:


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/22/us-wikileaks-assange-usa-idUSBRE87L12W20120822

[BlueCaliDem]

68. + 1000 eom

[Enrique]

46. they all just issued their apologies

all of them Glenn Greenwald, Jane Hamsher, the whole lot, have all posted apologies to graham4anything.

[Javaman]

47. more performance art from graham4anything...

keep it up, I love your shtick!

[Brickbat]

52. Dude, even Andy Kaufman took a break once in awhile.

[Warren Stupidity]

135. actually I'm not sure that is true.

it isn't clear if kaufman was ever not doing shtick.

[BlueCaliDem]

59. That's why when any fool says that Obama needs to use the bully pulpit,

I ask, "What bully pulpit?"

This president has been consistently getting more negative press than Republicans have.

President Obama "has suffered the most unrelentingly negative treatment" of all presidential candidates over the past five months, according to a study released Monday from the Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20121362-503544.html

Democrats can barely get invited, but it doesn't appear as if Republicans have that same problem, and the Sunday Shows - the most widely watched since they're broadcast across the nation, is 80-20 for Republicans. Think back when President Obama headed the raid that killed bin Laden. The weekend after, every single political Sunday show had panels of ex-Bush people commenting. Where were the Democrats??

But I got my incontrovertible proof that our Fourth Estate was dead when, one day, President Obama held a presser and minutes afterward, Boehner got equal time. Since the presser was pretty spontaneous, Boehner had to have been informed immediately and they gave him all the time he needed to refute everything the president said.

This ain't FDR's America anymore and it hasn't been since 1985, thanks to the not-so-saintly Saint Ronnie Raygun who loosened ownership rules for media after he had worked to help Rupert Murdoch get his citizenship faster than I'd ever seen any other person get their citizenship. Murdoch repaid him with making a saint out of him.

[patrice]

77. Thank you! For all of the potential that a committed rationalist strives to see in these

opposed positions, seeking authentic balance in understanding both what calls itself "the Left" and the Right, it's very difficult not to come back again and again, always as rationally as possible, to the perception that the Obama administration IS being treated less honestly, with distinctly MORE negative INTENT, by all sides involved and that started practically on day 1 of his administration.

With a few exceptions, it's difficult to separate what this administration actually has done that could/should have been done better and, more importantly, *h*o*w* that COULD have happened, from all of the purposefully destructive agitprop going on. It's overwhelming, so is it any wonder that some defenders have gone into siege mentality and are not interested in crediting what they could in others' positions that have never demonstrated honest balance well enough to engage anything authentically positive about the last 5 years.

[BlueCaliDem]

95. Agitprop. I like that word! And you're correct.

From day one, when journalists all came out and proclaimed that now they'll ask the WH the hard questions, this president has been so under siege by Corporate Media {and their lackeys posing as journalists} for the dumbest of reasons that those who want to honestly give him a chance but remain realistic about it - but who damn well know his shortcomings - have decided to dismiss all that "agitprop" and choose to hunker down and defend him while refusing to take into account what could be sage advice and constructive criticism to make him a better president. Agitprop doesn't work. It backfires. And that happened in the 2012 elections.

[Ichingcarpenter]

70. This thread wins a free dinner

At ABC Restaurant

[Marr]

74. A little early in the day to be sniffing glue, isn't it? /nt

[rrneck]

78. You've deveoped a fine caricature

of a liberal as percieved by a freeper. And you're getting away with it on DU.

Nice work.

[patrice]

96. Well, OP is a Hillary supporter, so I for one do not perceive him as a liberal. nt

[graham4anything]

100. I don't want Jeb Bush. Those tearing the party down want Jeb Bush(even if they don't know it)

trouble with the altmedia (most are young) (as Joel Stein in Time called them "the me me me me" is, they have no reference
to anything beyond 2001.

And the altmedia don't interpolate very well either.Either that or they want ashes and don't care the day after.

BTW-they also say they are for Elizabeth Warren.
Don't they realize if one burns the democratic party down, there is NO Elizabeth Warren either?

This isn't Lord of the Flies.

btw, I am NOT a progressive.
I am a 60s,70s liberal

Same people who aren't me didn't like Lincoln or LBJ either, let alone John V. Lindsay.
And LBJ was far more liberal than JFK or RFK though I doubt they realize that.

And Dr. King was NOT political at all.
Did anyone care if he was a democratic voter or republican voter back then?
And Dr. King did NOT tear or burn anything down.
He built things UP and moved things forward.
NOT backward.

President Lincoln made the correct call when after the war, he moved FORWARD for the country and looked longterm.
He didn't want to have public hangings, move backward or think negative.

Stooping to that level gets nothing but 10 minutes of being back in the gladiator period with a gladiator and a tiger drawing blood.

Gains nothing.

Shame on the Alt-Media for now combining with the regular rightwing media.

[rrneck]

104. There is no way to tell what the OP supports.

The idea is to take the fundamental objectives of liberal ideology and push them to ridiculous extremes. Why anyone would want to do that is anybody's guess. Maybe he's just fooling around, maybe he's doing research for sociology class, maybe he's a freeper trolling. Who knows? Who cares. It's all just self serving word salad.

[ucrdem]

105. It isn't hard to tell. He supports the BO administration

and the Democratic party and doesn't have much use for players. That was clear to me from day 1, and in fact I posted this response to one of g4a's posts back on Feb. 8, in a meta thread now offline, but saved in my journal:

He needs every advocate he can get, here and elsewhere.

We all get played by the media and I see a lot of people here genuinely disappointed by what appears to be some moral failure or other (drones for example) who want their grievances addressed or assuaged. There are probably a few with more insidious agendas. But defending BO between elections is not easy because the noise machine controls just about every channel. I'm often forced to watch CNN in public places and it makes my skin crawl, even with the sound off, because the message is so relentlessly slanted against the Obama admin and toward business concerns like national security (weapons) and oil and GOP views on taxes and "entitlements." And that's what winds up here. CNN is just one of many players of course.

I suppose that sounds conspiratorial but even on the most non-controversial, non-tinfoil level, it is, as big business underwrites most media through advertising or corporate sponsorship, so theirs is the message that gets through. Outside of election season, when BO stands a fair chance of getting his own message out thanks to the billions he has to raise to pay for media buys, it's a losing proposition. So I see the BO admin plowing on, getting what they can and not crying about what they can't, Guantanamo for instance. I hope they don't lose Hagel or Brennan, which is what the current drone blitz is probably about, but they might, and I suspect it has nothing to do with drones and everything to do with Iran. That would be a blow but the BO admin is well versed in the art of losing so to speak and they'll carry on with who and what they can get. And you're right, at this rate 2014 might be another blow.

Anyway the moral of this ramble is that DU needs more advocates like you g4a so don't go changin'. Over and out.

link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=journals&uid=299945&year=2013&month=2

I think it's only hard to tell if you don't want to.

[rrneck]

108. He sounds like he supports stuff that makes liberals feel good.

Hence the word salad.

[ucrdem]

109. He supports the BO admin.

Yes that will make some feel liberals good, but others clearly dislike it. Hence the insults.

[rrneck]

112. Like I said, there is no way to tell what he supports

because he writes in a fog of non sequiturs, incomplete thoughts, and vapid cheerleading for the cause du jour. It just sounds good, and any internet troll, undergrad sociology student, or bored prankster with an ounce of imagination can churn out mountains of bullshit as long as the bullshit sounds good to the people listening to it. They will always be able to find a taker.

[ucrdem]

115. Okay we disagree. I think it's crystal clear what he supports

and I happen to like his style. Some would call it gonzo or stream of consciousness but it's definitely a style. And seriously, it's usually not hard to figure out what he's saying.

[rrneck]

117. It's pretty easy to figure out what he's saying

if anyone wants to go to the trouble. Why he's saying it and why he's saying it in such a convoluted manner is another matter altogether.

[rrneck]

113. By the way...

that's an interesting contraction you've got there. "BO admin". A crouton perhaps?

[Union Scribe]

116. Here's more of what he supports

1. Rich people. Between his "first they came for the rich" bastardization to his claim that nothing could happen without the wealthy, together with his loathing for Occupy make it pretty clear where his sympathies lie.

2. Raising the retirement age.

3. Mike Bloomberg, who is an anti-union education deformer behind the racist stop-and-frisk and the current attack on public libraries. It's not just the guy's stance on guns he loves, as he's been asked if he also supports Gloomberg's right wing policies and has failed to answer.

4. Smearing Elizabeth Warren. He has repeatedly lied about her voting history and refuses to provide citations for his claims about her (which is hard to do as they don't exist).

Yeah, he's a real advocate for us!

[idwiyo]

139. "First they came for the rich" ... You clearly forgot that one.

[City Lights]

86. LOL!

Thanks for the laugh!

[Rex]

87. Kewl story bro!

[Douglas Carpenter]

89. does your mom know you are on the computer again?

[Whisp]

98. agreed.

too bad you are getting such whatfor in this thread. Sad stuff. I guess the insulters think that the press has the right to do this?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

99. Wait! Wait! You're actually serious!

[ucrdem]

107. He's also correct. n/t

[cali]

110. correct about what? do explain

[ucrdem]

111. Correct that alt media are as unreliable as MSM. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

114. So, what media is "reliable"? The DNC?

[ucrdem]

119. Depends on what we mean by reliable.

If we mean trustworthy without reservation, I'll let you know when I find one. One has to exercise media literacy when evaluating ALL media. But surely you don't need me to tell you that?

p.s. singular of media is medium.

[patrice]

120. +1

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

122. I'm assuming you get you information from somewhere?

You're saying that "he is correct". Did you get you get your, apparently similar, information from the same sources as the OP? If so, you must consider them "reliable". So, what are they?

[ucrdem]

123. If you're looking for a concrete example, I posted one upthread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2851535

The point is that alt media, e.g. Salon, DN, CommonDreams, Alternet etc., are just as laced with RW shillery as the NYT or any other major outlet. Yes they are useful, no they are not reliable.

[graham4anything]

132. When I myself said the other day I trust Barack Obama himself, I meant it.

Because 10 out of 10 times he is far more reliable to what he himself said, than any media whatsoever that is paid to spin.

So I will listen to what he says, and agree with him.
And as I wanted him to be president in 2004 (and 8 and 12 and his agenda/angle forever),
he has not once, not once, lied to me.

Others put words in his mouth he never said.
Others put nuance into his words he never said nor meant
Others have said what he should do

Whereas Barack Obama has from day one done.
And he did or is doing all 3 major things I hired him for with my vote and support.
one the health care. Giving us something no one since the legendary LBJ(who certain people hate as much as Obama or More).
two immigration and its being worked on

three- and this is the biggie most overlook.
The 80-20 is what he ran on.

He did NOT under any circumstance say or do anything to indicate he would only work on the 5 percent of the democratic party that demands only certain things.

He said under no distortion whatsoever-that he wanted to unite the people of this country and NOT the beltway, not the altmedia, not the politicians currently in office.
But the people

Who time and again have said NO to the obstruction

Those that say Bush did it, blah blah therefore

well, way before Bush, the two major parties after election worked together for the 80% of the country.

that means not every wedge issue gets decided favorably.

But it means FORWARD to Americans as a whole.

And that means come the middle of Hillary's 1st term (which will be considered the middle of the 3rd term of the president's forward agenda...Congress shall be voting as the people want
80-20 on the major issues.
Might not please the 20, but the 80 is the majority.
Without the obstruction it already would have been in place.

1000s and 1000s of pieces of legislation in the past went through 80-20 or even more.
It can happen again
(and in fact, in lesser known bills, it has indeed more recently).

(note-Afghanastan was something like 95 to 5 or higher.
When they want to, they work together.

and they will.

And Barack Obama ran on doing just that. (one major thing the detractors like to say he didn't. But he did.)

And when there is a heart attack, and the ambulance is called, one doesn't ask
the EMS worker if they are a republican/democratic or whatnot.
They just are thankful to be saved in time 100% of the time.

[Ghost in the Machine]

138. "And that means come the middle of Hillary's 1st term"= Delusional! She ISN'T RUNNING!!!

[h1]Hillary Clinton rules out 2016 White House bid [/h1]
The Oval David Jackson 1:51 p.m. EDT October 18, 2012

Are you sure Hillary Rodham Clinton is running for president in 2016?

Be careful how much you bet on it.

The secretary of State told Marie Claire magazine she won't seek the presidency again in four years.

"You know?" she said. "I am not." (The comments are at the end of the article.)

When asked "why not?" and that "everybody wants you to," Clinton responded: "I have been on this high wire of national and international politics and leadership for 20 years. It has been an absolutely extraordinary personal honor and experience. But I really want to just have my own time back. I want to just be my own person. I'm looking forward to that."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2012/10/18/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-2016-election/1641869/

She would be 70 years old before the first year of her first term was up. The Sun is setting on the days of the Old, Rich, White Establishment, never to rise again. A new Dawn will come to light with a younger, more diverse ethnic background of intelligent, concerned people who truly want to help hold this Country together at its core as the richest, most powerful Nation in the world. The first the we need to realize is that we can't keep playing world police, and world provider.

We need to focus on our OWN COUNTRY for a while. We need to address OUR OWN people who are living, and starving, in OUR OWN STREETS. We need to address our own failed "healthcare" system and get it out of the clutches of the Insurance Industry and Big Pharma. We need to address wealth disparity. We need to end the failed "war on drugs". We need to work on Immigration Reform. We need to overturn Citizens United and take away Corporate Personhood. We need Lobbyist reform. We need Campaign Finance reform and last, but certainly not the least, we need to recognize, then try to fix, Global Climate Change.

With Polar Ice Caps melting and sea levels rising, we can keep panicking and crying "DOOMED" "DOOMED", or we can see it as a way to create jobs and rebuild our infrastructure at the same time. To combat rising sea levels, we build desalination plants along ALL of our coasts, then we start pumping fresh water into the interior states, especially the ones experiencing severe droughts. Think of the hundreds of thousands of jobs that could be created all across the Nation!

I could keep going, but sleep is calling my name...

Peace,

Ghost

[cali]

118. That's hardly what Mr. Incoherent said

that post is straight out bat shit crazy. The alt media owes the poster an apology? they're all part of the non-existent Jeb Bush campaign.

Jaysus.

[madinmaryland]

126. Welcome to DU, Lee Mercer!!

http://www.mercerforpresident2008.com/

My Campaign Theme

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My Platform

My platform for President of the United States Of America is Criminal Law. It is developed from my Method of Education. I was ordered to create and or invent by the United States Army that is now intact regulating the United States Government protecting it through Military Intelligence Computerization Management a new Disipline I invented and the Administration of Criminal Law Laws across the board.

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The United States Government education will perfect the vindication of it’s government regulating it’s directions and resources requirement by the law only.

Reasons for Running

1. The United States Federal Congress has encouraged me to want to become President of the United States so that I can do what the President of the United States of America is supposed to do and complete the federal and military government biography and autobiography in development in Eye Spy Community-Military Intelligence (All Three) Business and Commerce Intelligence Education across the board National and International.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

130. .

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[Nye Bevan]

131. Any UK DUers familiar with the Viz character Roger Irrelevant?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Irrelevant

Roger Irrelevant is utterly detached from reality. The premise of the strip is that he spends his entire time making irrelevant remarks and suffering from bizarre delusions, usually involving inanimate objects.

[Bluenorthwest]

136. US DUer, but familiar and a big Viz fan.

Good call on your part. Hatstand.

[MrScorpio]

137. Huh? nt

[marmar]

144. When's your next stand-up gig?

nt

[Capt. Obvious]

148. Bravo!

Your act never tires.

[delrem]

154. Narcissus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_(mythology)

Dude, when you're so self-involved that you think the whole world should be attentive to your splendor, it's time to take a vacation from whatever you're doing that got you to that place.