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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy challenge to DU: Cite me an official source that says the Tea Party was "singled out" by the IRS
We have been hearing over and over for the past week that the IRS "singled out" the Tea Party for special scrutiny when they applied for tax exempt status for their "social welfare" organizations. It is an allegation that has been screamed loudly by the right-wing and the media and it has even been repeated by many on the left end of the political spectrum.
I have read a great deal about this "scandal" and I have heard the allegation that the Tea Party was "singled out" many times, but I have yet to find a single official source that confirms they actually were singled out. There have been many stories in the media that have made this claim, but I have yet to find one of these stories that was actually able to back that allegation up with a source.
Many of you may be saying, "The IRS apologized for singling the Tea Party out and the Inspector General's report confirmed they did just that." If you actually read either the apology or the Inspector General's report however neither of them actually state that the Tea Party was singled out.
Let us start out with IRS official Lois Lerner's apology; here are the words that sparked the firestorm:
However, in these cases, the way they did the centralization was not so fine. Instead of referring to the cases as advocacy cases, they actually used case names on this list. They used names like Tea Party or Patriots and they selected cases simply because the applications had those names in the title. That was wrong, that was absolutely incorrect, insensitive, and inappropriate thats not how we go about selecting cases for further review. We dont select for review because they have a particular name.
Now that you have seen what those words say, let's think about what they do not say. Lerner says that they searched out terms like "Tea Party" and "Patriots", but she never says those are the only terms they searched for. They may have also been searching on terms like "Democratic" and "Progressive", we don't know because the IRS has yet to provide us a complete list of all the search terms that may have been used. Lerner never mentions anything at all about how left-leaning groups may have been handled by the IRS, but she was asked about it by a reporter. Here is what she said...
WHAT??! This is a high level official that oversees groups seeking tax exempt status and she can tell us how Tea Party groups are flagged, but she can not provide us with even one shred of information on how left-leaning groups were flagged. As a person who is in charge of overseeing tax exempt groups it seems that she should be able to explain to us how groups are flagged, yet she only claims to have knowledge of the process they used to flag one small subset of applicants. Does anyone really find this believable? How could someone in her position have absolutely no information on the flagging process of on any left leaning groups? How are we supposed to determine that the Tea Party was singled out when we are not even given anything to compare their experience with?
The Inspector General's Report acknowledges that the Tea Party groups were not the only groups flagged for scrutiny, in fact the Tea Party only made up about 30% of the flagged groups. If you read the report however the focus is nearly entirely on the way Tea Party groups were flagged and says almost nothing about how other groups were flagged. It cites questions that were asked to Tea Party groups but were not asked to "other groups", yet it never specifies what other groups it is talking about. It is common knowledge the IRS does scrutinize some groups more than others because it has limited resources, we already knew that some groups don't get the same level of scrutiny but that is not the issue here. The issue is whether or not the Tea Party was singled out based on their political views, but the Inspector General's report does not say that left leaning groups who were flagged were not asked the same questions.
In August 2010, the Determinations Unit distributed the first formal BOLO listing. The criteria in the BOLO listing were Tea Party organizations applying for I.R.C. § 501(c)(3) or I.R.C. § 501(c)(4) status. Based on our review of other BOLO listing criteria, the use of organization names on the BOLO listing is not unique to potential political cases. 16
Interesting, the report says that they have a "Be on the Look Out" group that not only includes applications for "Tea Party", "Patriots", or "9/12", but they also flag "other political sounding names". What those "other political sounding names" are they do not tell us. They do tell us that there are groups on the BOLA listing that are not based on political cases, right after that statement we see the number 16 which indicates a footnote, let us take a look at what that footnote says.
WHAT??!! There were other groups on the list that were not affiliated with the Tea Party, but the Inspector General's report did not review ANY of them? What the hell kind of report is this? How the hell are we supposed to know that the Tea Party was singled out when they don't even review the treatment of other groups that were on the exact same BOLO list that they were?
If this scandal swirls around whether or not the Tea Party was treated differently than other groups then knowing how other groups were treated is absolutely crucial information in determining whether or not there was political bias, yet the Inspector General's Report did not even review it.
Who the hell would initiate a review like this without including such crucial information as to the scrutiny placed on other non Tea-Party groups, well the report gives us the answer to that question...
So members of Congress called for this report, presumably Republicans. Did these members of Congress order the Inspector General to only evaluate the treatment of the Tea Party and not look at any other groups? If so is this not an example of abusing a government investigation for partisan political purposes?
I issue my challenge again, I challenge anyone to find me a piece of evidence from an official source that shows the Tea Party was singled out. I have heard the allegation many times this week, but I have yet to find a single piece of evidence that proves the Tea Party was treated differently, all I can find is reports on how Tea Party applications were handled with silence on how the applications of non-Tea Party groups who were also flagged were handled.
Can anyone cite me a source, or can we conclude that this "scandal" is not about the Tea Party being singled out?
On edit: I want to thank Chathamization who is a relatively new DUer that pointed me to the footnote used in the Inspector General's report. The contributions Chathamization provided were invaluable.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)at some right-wing news outlet. It would be interesting to know when the very first story about this was published and by whom.
Cheers!
Cha
(297,188 posts)last night that "I couldn't see what they did wrong" and got this answer..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2850851
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The IRS did search on terms like "Tea Party" and "Patriot", but the fact that they searched on those terms does not mean those were the only search terms they used. We know they used other search terms as well, it says so right in the Inspector General's report. It does not say what the other terms searched on were, but I would be very surprised if they did not include words like "Democratic" and "Progressive" as well. As long as you use search terms that would apply to groups on all ends of the spectrum there is no singling out taking place.
Cha
(297,188 posts)Steven Miller has already been fired over it.
Here's his resignation letter..
"It is with regret that I will be departing from the IRS as my acting assignment ends in early June," Miller wrote in his resignation letter on Wednesday. "This has been an incredibly difficult time for the IRS given the events of the past few days, and there is a strong and immediate need to restore public trust in the nation's tax agency. I believe the Service will benefit from having a new acting commissioner in place during this challenging period."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/resignation-fired-irs-commissioner-planned-leave-post-june/story?id=19193192
I don't like to see someone fired for no reason.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)You should send it around to the news shows. Rachel, Heyes, O'Donnell. Bashir. (I'd include Tweety but he's back on shark jumping detail.) I'd love to see one of them lay this out the way you have.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)1. They did not enforce tax laws and allowed too many political organizations to get non-profit status.
2. They apologized for scrutinizing the tax exempt status of groups that do not qualify for tax exempt status.
3. They showed political favoritism by only apologizing to the right-wing despite the fact that they were scrutinizing left leaning groups in the same way.
Cha
(297,188 posts)world.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Interesting. As many times as I have heard the words "singled out" in the last week it sure does not seem that there is much evidence to back up the allegation.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)DEMANDED to be TURNED OVER TOTHE IRS OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG. My phone's battery went dead just then. Funny thing.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Since they had an influx of apps and had to process them all quickly, did they prioritize some to get them approved faster? Right now we have a lot of hysteria and very few facts. Just like with the beginning of the fast and furious scandal, once the facts came out the whistleblower was largely responsible.
yodermon
(6,143 posts)if, in fact, other "left-sounding" names were also profiled? what possible reason would she have for apologizing to the right wing and not the left wing?
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)It is still quite early for the hard evidence that you ask for. That would come from an investigation.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The Inspector's General report did not even examine the way any of the non Tea-Party cases were handled, if the Tea Party is being singled out then we need to know how left leaning groups were treated differently if they were treated differently at all. So far the IRS and the Inspector General have completely ignored the process they used to flag left leaning groups.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)that they may not have. We do need to know how all groups were handled.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)You are right, we don't know and that is important for everyone to understand. We don't know all the facts of the case, but there are lots of crucial details that are not even being addressed. We should not just accept the Tea Party narrative of what happened when no one seems to be able to cite facts to back up their claims.
magellan
(13,257 posts)I've been trying to make the same point for the last day. So have a few others. You laid it out concisely.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)I also posted this on Daily Kos and am getting a much more hostile response there than I am over here. A few people are trying to launch personal attacks on me for saying this, but so far none of them have been able to give a citation.
The longer this goes with out a citation the more I can see that the media narrative is completely wrong.
spanone
(135,830 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Clearly it is politics, but the question is "what political end is being served by capitulation on this (and in contrast, strong defense on the AP story)?" or put another way "Who is being targeted in the attempts to mitigate political damage and/or to make a political appeal to?"
My feeling is that capitulation on the IRS issue (despite the lack of need to do so) suggests an appeal to the right-wing who claims to fear overreaching govt. power in the form, usually, of "Git yer gosh-darned hand outta my pocket!" type thinking. The old Reagan proverbial "knock on the door" fear. The capitulation is an attempt to assuage or disempower that segment of the populace.
On the other hand, or perhaps on the same hand, the strong defense of the Justice Dept. on the AP story is similarly one that makes an appeal to the right on the basis of "strong defense" while at the same time not recognizing the Democratic base which is usually more concerned with issues like "freedom of the press".
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)He needs to try as much as possible to not be a target on this so he is best off to play along and express outrage, call for an investigation and then wait until that investigation shows liberal groups were targeted in the same way. For Obama that is the politically wise thing to do.
We are not Obama however. We can challenge this every step of the way without having to worry about impeachment hearings being held against us.
Let me also be clear that this is not about Obama, this is about dark money taking over our electoral system. If we don't challenge this tax-free corporate cash will flood into our electoral system, it is a real threat to democracy and it needs to be confronted.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)We would have to know how all the groups were treated to glean evidence of anyone being "singled out" as you correctly argued.
I have noticed these things as well and asked similar questions about information regarding the bulk of those flagged, yet I've only heard replies speaking of how a minority that were "outraged" were handled. Of course we need to know the same specifics regarding the majority of those targeted, yet they will not even talk about the majority, only baggers (who lets face it play the victim from dusk to dawn as a matter of habit).
Another Duer noticed oddly that it appeared that of the minority (The Tea Party Patriots) that were taking to their fainting couches over being singled out, 82% turned out to have substantial political components that required further review, so the targeting was functionally effective even if they were identified through "inappropriate" criteria (i.e., based on their name). Unfortunately what was not effective as you have pointed out, was the enforcement of the rules as not a single one of that 82% lost their tax exempt status. Some liberal groups that they refused to discuss details about did lose their exempt status, so who was singled out and who was held above the rules in the end?
I Can't say as they only talk about the teflon baggers and disclose no such information regarding the majority on the list.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)together we can Grand Bargain working Americans... Yes We Can..."
I've noticed massive dancing around this issue as well. If they're dancing, there must be a big pile of $&@% that they're trying to not step in.
Great work, thanks!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)The process used to identify conservative groups has been described as "unfair".
I don't seen any evidence of that, either.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)I hope people are starting to realize that the media coverage of this is reading in far more than has actually been alleged by anyone in a position to know what is happening.
On edit: I should mention that I have to get ready for work now so if someone does respond I probably won't be able to reply for a while.
burnodo
(2,017 posts)Given that it seems that the IRS was doing its job investigating a "non-profit" organization for political advocacy, why did the president feel the need for a pre-emptive apology and statement of outrage?
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)His reaction is probably largely political. If he were to try to defend the IRS the right-wing would eat him alive based on completely false allegations.
cali
(114,904 posts)people almost uniformly accept that the IRS targeted tea party and conservative groups.
Might as well ask how many angels fit on the head of a pin.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)"Targetting" the Tea Party is not the same as singling them out. The fact is that other groups were targeted as well, as long as groups across the political spectrum are targeted the same way there is no singling out.
cali
(114,904 posts)All that is irrelevant. The narrative is firmly in place.
Purplehazed
(179 posts)Perhaps the words "singled out" is an exaggeration of bias. Expected these days, when all news stories are so sensationalized.
The Inspector Generals report concludes that there was bias and that Teaparty groups were treated differently than all other groups. The backup to the conclusion is all in the report. Teaparty was identified in emails prior to the BOLO list. They took longer to process compared to all other groups.
Read through the email documentation. The IRS identified this as a problem in 2011, well before the Inspector General began its investigation in 2012.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)than all other groups. It explicitly states they did not examine the treatment of other groups besides the Tea Party. They may have been treated differently than groups who were never flagged, but there is nothing to suggest that there were no other groups that received the same treatment.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Deciding who needs extra scrutiny based upon presence of Keyword's in the name. Doesn't sound particularly fair unless you can demonstrate that the keywords had an equal probability of identifying groups regardless of potential leanings. If the search was based only on the two terms listed above than it was certainly not a fair and even handed process of identifying applications for additional scrutiny.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/10/1996261/irs-targeted-tea-party-tax-exempt-groups-for-increased-scrutiny-and-missed-the-real-problem/
edit to add link
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)Maybe all of the relevant facts have not been revealed yet, or maybe I am uninformed. My question is: "Were there any searches performed by use of terms such as "libertarian" or "progressive" or others which signify political ideologies?"
However, even if the only search terms which were used were "patriot" and "Tea Party" I am still inclined to withhold judgment until I have a better understanding of the facts. For instance, if the largest subset of 501(c)4 applications came from Tea Party groups, and the number of those Tea Party applications was ten times greater than the number of applications from the next-highest submitting political group, then I think the argument can be made that the IRS was justified in using "patriot" and "Tea Party" as search terms in looking for applications which warranted further scrutiny.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The report does not say what those other political terms were, but it did say there were others. They almost certainly included some words to flag Democratic groups as well, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest they were all right-wing terms.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)The fact that about 25% of scrutinized applications were Tea Party ones doesn't mean much by itself. You have to also know what fraction of the original applications were Tea Party ones, or similarly, what fraction of Tea Party applications were approved without review, compared to how many other ones.
As I wrote in another thread, suppose you found out that about 25% of drivers being pulled over in a state are black. Would this be evidence that police are not engaging in racial profiling? No-- you'd have to know what fraction of the population is black. If it turns out that blacks only make up 5% of the population, then you have a problem.
The inspector general's report says that 70% of applications overall pass without review. However, it appears that almost no Tea Party applications made it through without review (they found none in a sample of approved applications). Given that, and the fact that Tea Party terms were on the BOLO list, means that the Tea Party applications were in fact given special, negative treatment.
Does this mean that only Tea Party applications got negative treatment? No, it's possible other terms were also (inappropriately) added to the BOLO list. I would be curious as to what those were as well. But the inspector general report makes it clear that using the organization's name and policy positions as criteria is wrong, and the IRS was wrong to do so.