We were right, it is all about Hillary

[kpete]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/national-review-cover-shows-hillary-playing-fiddle-during?ref=fpb

[uponit7771]

1. If the DOJ and Obama had ANY minerals they would investigate the fake emails and throw people in

...jail.

The GOP doctored emails and put them in as evidence in an official investigation.


That's clearly breaking SOME kind of law

[DonViejo]

13. Because you haven't read about it in the "liberal" media...

you assume an investigation isn't happening?

[geek tragedy]

2. I want her to get the nomination just because

I want those cockroaches to get stomped on, hard.

Hillary is ruthless, persistent, and a fierce fighter. I want her unleashed on the Republicans.

[uponit7771]

3. +1, I see her being in the "fighting" realm what Obama is not PLUS an increased amount of progressiv

...thinking ... not as progressive as I would like but more than what she was...

Being SOS would do that to a person

[geek tragedy]

7. She demolished them when she testified.

She didn't bother to hide her contempt.

Enough of Mr. Nice Guy in the White House. Give me an old-fashioned pol who wants to rip her opponent's heart out of their chest.

Gawd I couldn't stand her during the primary, and it's exactly that aspect of her I want to torment the Republicans.

[AgingAmerican]

17. Republicans call it, "When she exploded"

I have heard them refer to it that way several times. When Hillary 'exploded' at the hearings.

Gotta love it.

[Beacool]

25. According to Inhofe, she wasn't ladylike.

Exact quote: “I think that she has gotten by with that type of a forceful attitude, something that’s not normally accustomed — that you don’t hear from women as much as you do men. And she came out so forcefully, and you could tell that it was orchestrated at the time that she said it.”

[cliffordu]

32. Ditto.

[BeyondGeography]

4. President Hillary is what they so richly deserve

And she'll do a fine job.

[graham4anything]

5. I am 100% for Hillary and that the haters hate it is gravy

to continue President Obama's 2 terms for another 2 terms.

120 million popular votes and 500 electoral votes

[Poll_Blind]

6. It's humorous how much of a boogeyman she is to them when she's such a weak Dem. candidate.

It's hard to imagine her standing out in a well-stocked Democratic presidential field in 2016 but I suspect the Republicans know (along with the League of Women Voters, among many others) that the Democratic Presidential primary process is as crooked as a Cambodian croupier.

PB

[geek tragedy]

8. I think she'd stand head and shoulders

above any Democratic field.

Not in terms of policy (she almost certainly wouldn't be even in the top half of the field) but in terms of political toughness, experience, and overall stature, she'd be the giant in the field.

[Poll_Blind]

12. I'm glad you added the distinction of why you think so. I disagree. I have yet to...

...see her as anything more than a political brand.

Her behavior during the Primaries in 2008 was arguably the most taxed I've seen her (it's horribly taxing on all the candidates, obviously) but she fell apart under pressure and by the time it came time to concede to the legitimate dark horse in the race, Barack Obama, she had a villainously selfish streak on display for weeks and weeks which put to rest the concept that she was a good bet for the American people.

Not necessarily directed at you but the overwhelming belief that somehow Hillary Clinton will unleash hell on the republicans is chimerical. On the contrary, the repukes would view a Hillary Clinton nominee as the biggest gift, ever.

PB

[geek tragedy]

15. I think she should get a restraining order against

Mark Penn.

She became a much better candidate when she flew by the seat of her pants rather than following his program.

When she's in the "stick to the script, let's carefully plan everything" she's very blah.

When she's "I'm a rock star and fuck you" is when she's a very effective candidate.

Certainly, if the Clinton we saw through Super Tuesday in 2008 were running, I'd consider her weaker than Harry Reid's promises to reform the filibuster.

[Poll_Blind]

18. And maybe that's true. Here I am as a disenchanted Obama supporter with the same sort of...

...gripes about how his advisers have channeled (for lack of a better word) him. Your "stick to the script" vs "rock star" comparison...I can't say I can either agree or disagree with that. Maybe there's some other side of Clinton which should have been on display. Or, giving the maximum benefit of the doubt, a side which more accurately (and positively) reflected who she was, as a person and a politician.

I didn't see that better side. Correction: I saw that better side way early on in the process, but then an overwhelming level of hubris kicked in which I think turned a lot of people off.

If she does run in 2016, I'll be interested to see what strategy she uses and what value, in her words, she brings to the game in 2016 that (in her opinion) makes her a better candidate than the other Dems in the race.

PB

[geek tragedy]

21. When she testified during Bill's presidency re: health care

she was not shy about mixing it up with Republicans.

Rep. Dick Armey (R-Tex.), third-ranking House GOP leader and one of its most confrontational members, had suggested earlier that the health care plan amounted to economic euthanasia. He called it "a Dr. Kevorkian prescription for the jobs of American working men and women"--a reference to the Michigan doctor who has helped more than a dozen terminally ill people commit suicide.

In questioning Hillary Clinton on Wednesday, Armey again criticized the plan, adding that he planned "to make the debate, the legislative process as exciting as possible."

"I'm sure you will do that, Mr. Armey--you and Dr. Kevorkian," the First Lady shot back.

Armey, red-faced at the applause that erupted among Democrats on the panel, laughed and countered: "I have been told about your charm and wit and, let me say, the reports on your charm are overstated and the reports on your wit are understated."

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-09-30/news/mn-40681_1_health-care-plan

I think she got corrupted by Bill's tack to the right, when he brought Penn and Dick Morris in. She became afraid to offend, making herself as squishy centrist as possible.

It wasn't until she started losing to Obama that she stopped running afraid.

[bvar22]

19. At least she is honest about who she represents:

[Auntie Bush]

20. LOL Pardon me but I disagree with (( EVERYTHING)) you said. nt

What election were you watching?

[sabrina 1]

40. That's what we were told the last time she ran. The fact is she is not a good candidate. We need NEW

policies, these old Cold War policies have tragically harmed this country for six or seven decades. She supports neocon foreign policies and there is no way anyone can justify those policies. We are seeing the results right before our eyes.

She voted for the Iraq War when most intelligent people KNEW they were lying. Anyone who trusted Bush/Cheney is not fit to be president.

Sorry, we don't elect presidents just to spite morons on the Right. We do it for the benefit of the country. Or I should say, that is what we should have in mind when we are electing public officials. I will not support war mongers and neither will any other Democrat I know. Did not support her last time and won't do so if she runs again.

[BeyondGeography]

11. She is as strong and sure-footed as they come

It took Obama to beat her in 2008, and that was a once-in-a-lifetime challenge for her. By now, you are probably snickering, but Hillary has forgotten more about campaigning and debating than O'Malley, Schweitzer, Cuomo, etc. know right now. And I like at least two of those guys very much.

[Poll_Blind]

14. I'm not snickering at your comments. Hillary Clinton is not a politician. She is a Fast Track.

And when you make a comment like...

...but Hillary has forgotten more about campaigning and debating than O'Malley, Schweitzer, Cuomo, etc. know right now.

...I'm just wondering what kinds of tangential evidentiary material one must have to pretend is genuine political experience in order to make that equation work.

We're talking about her own accomplishments and experience, not her husband's.

PB

[BeyondGeography]

16. Her SoS tenure and her time in the Senate should have solved the experience question for you

I had some similar feelings prior to 2008, but you can't fake genuine knowledge, which she obviously has, and which she demonstrated in that campaign. With four years of SoS added to her personal resume, any charges of riding on Bill's coattails won't stick. The only thing I worry about is her judgment re. advisors. Mark Penn was a spectacular failure and she stuck with him to the bitter end.

[Whisp]

23. Lanny Davis.

[Beacool]

29. You obviously have no clue about Hillary.

Who do you think was and still is Clinton's strongest adviser? Who do you think helped to device campaign strategies that ensured her husband's elections and reelections? Hillary has never been a quiet little mouse watching the various campaigns unfold.

You disdain for her is duly noted, but I bet that you never even met her, let alone sat at a work meeting with her.

[TheKentuckian]

22. Not because she was running some amazing campaign.

In fact, considering the advantages squandered, resources, brand recognition, deep connections, and her very popular spouse it was pretty much terrible.

She surrounded herself with hacks like Mark Penn and inept goofballs like Terry McAulife and acted like she was inevitable.

I don't get the master of campaigning designation. She screwed the pooch in her only really competitive effort and screwed it rather badly or she'd be President right now.

[BeyondGeography]

31. The hacks were a major problem

Obama was a much bigger problem. Appealing on a deep level and much better organized. Still, if Penn understaood caucus rules, she might have won anyway.

[Beacool]

26. And who will stand out above her?

There won't be another Obama coming out of the woodwork. If Hillary wants it, she'll win this time around.

[MoonRiver]

30. What Bea said!

But, to qualify, I really don't understand why she would put herself through that grueling ordeal again. More power to her if she does though!

[Beacool]

33. I don't know, but there's already pressure on her to make history.

Hillary is a pragmatist. After the midterms she'll probably assess her chances, how the economy is doing and who else is in the running. She will probably also assess whether she has the health, stamina and strength to mount another run. She knows first hand how difficult and stressful being president is and she wouldn't run if she didn't think that she could do the job. On the other hand, maybe she'll be having so much fun doing other things that she may bow out.

[MoonRiver]

35. Yes, there is so much to consider.

She has given so much to our country and I know she will continue to do so, whether as President or in some other capacity.

[sofa king]

9. kpete, you're the gold standard of cynicism!

Is it even cynicism when you were correct the whole time? I think that might be, "realism."

[Life Long Dem]

10. Why would it be against Obama?

He's not even running for an election.

Except...

Heritage letter to Republicans on Capitol Hill: don’t legislate, just scandalize Obama

In a letter to members of Congress, which was obtained by NBC News, Heritage Action for America, the lobbying arm of the Heritage Foundation,... urged Republicans on Capitol Hill not to govern, and instead, to focus on the would-be “scandals” plaguing the Obama administration.

http://thegrio.com/2013/05/16/heritage-to-republicans-dont-legislate-just-scandalize-obama/#.UZY7dlg6muQ.twitter

[Boomerproud]

37. The Heritage Foundation "urged Republicans on Capitol Hill not to govern, and instead, to focus on

the would-be scandals..." What joke-when have the Pubbies ever governed?

As for Hillary in 2016...I don't know, I just don't know.

[Beacool]

24. It became clear pretty soon that it was about Hillary.

They weren't able to destroy the Clintons in the 90s, despite a 5 year witch hunt financed with our tax dollars. During her Benghazi testimony, to quote a Republican strategist, Hillary kicked their ass. Her approval ratings are sky high already. They will reach the stratosphere if the Republicans keep up this persecution.

I guess these Tea Party kooks will have to learn the hard way that you piss off Hillary at your own peril.

Release the Hillary!!!

[spanone]

27. how FUCKING disrespectful is that shit of a cover?

FUCK NR

[Poll_Blind]

28. The first name in the list of authors should be all anyone needs to know about that shit.

PB

[Beacool]

38. Worst UN ambassador ever!!!!

Imagine this creep as SOS?

[winter is coming]

34. Maybe caricatures are all they're capable of producing?

Oh, you meant the cover art.

[AgingAmerican]

36. The ironic thing is, the scandal just fell apart

And that's NEXT MONTHS edition. Now they look like complete fools!

[Beacool]

39. Issa and his Tea Party bag of nuts will continue holding hearings ad nauseam.

The heads of the 5 committees investigating all these "scandals" met this week with Boehner and were told to proceed as is. Issa already subpoenaed ambassador Pickering, although he and Admiral Mullen had already told the committee that they had no problem talking to them in public. Issa wants to talk to them in private, that way they can leak and distort what the Amb. said, just as they did with the leaked WH emails.

They make me sick!!!